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Nerf Burger Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:09:00 - [1] - Quote I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen. To me this seems like a fallacy of logic. For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special? Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought. Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?
Kisumii Bio-Tech Research Luna Sanguinem 100	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:12:00 - [2] - Quote Confirming EvE requires no skill and we are simply playing rock paper scissors online.
ThisIsntMyMain Republic University Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:12:00 - [3] - Quote We don't. We think youre inferior.
Nerf Burger Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:23:00 - [4] - Quote ThisIsntMyMain wrote: We don't. We think youre inferior. Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right. Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks
Shalua Rui FEROX AQUILA 185	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:26:00 - [5] - Quote Kisumii wrote: Confirming EvE requires no skill and we are simply playing rock paper scissors online. I see atleast 2 things that are HIGHLY superior about you... that CAN'T be healthy! Seriously though: EVE is a game based on personal goals, competition and capitalism that requires serious time investment... more so then most other MMOs do... it's normal for SOME people to feel kind of superior when they start to excell in one area of it or another... one could argue that those people have an unhealthy atitude towards EVE, seeing it more as a second job then a game that is supposed to be fun... but hey, whose to judge, really. "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778
highonpop Void.Tech Fatal Ascension 184	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote 1337 pee vee pee All I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****...
Taranius De Consolville Lost Dawn Chaos Corrosive. 153	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:27:00 - [7] - Quote Hiya Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe = Ego - Superior Attitude WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on. Im afraid it is as simple as that. In short Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on Hope this helps
Hiyora Akachi Bling Ring Tax Evaders 63	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:28:00 - [8] - Quote Yes. And the cookie cutter builds and listening to your raid leader scream at you while you hit 1 2 3 is toooootally different to what you said. We're superior because we do it all in space ships, that's my answer. /thread
Pix Severus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 112	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:28:00 - [9] - Quote You're focusing too much on the "skill" aspect of gaming. Almost all "skills" in gaming can be acquired over time through repetition. Play Counter Strike for 5 hours a day, every day for a few years, and your aim will be up there with the best (barring any medical issues that may hold you back). The reason Eve players are better than the rest of the plebeians out there is because Eve requires patience. This is why Eve has a more mature playerbase than most games, kids don't have the patience for it (especially not these days), it's all about instant gratification for most of them. In Eve, you have to research into almost every aspect of what you're doing, it requires the aforementioned patience, the ability to string a semi-coherent sentence together, and the mental capacity not to believe everything you're told. This is beyond most gamers today, and that is why Eve players are simply just better than them.
Buoytender Bob Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining 11	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:32:00 - [10] - Quote Nerf Burger wrote: I You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. ...talk about fallacy of logic.
Astavia Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:35:00 - [11] - Quote Mostly because because of death penalty - which is in itself awesome. Also it takes a LOT of time and research to master all aspects of EVE. You mentioned PVP, which is but a fraction of the game itself. There is also exploration, research production, trading, PVE with incursions / missions that actually take some time to think, etc. So far I have played WOW, AOC, SWTOR, Aion, WAR - which are generaly the same game in different setup. If you master one, you have mastered all. It only takes gear and some twitch skills to be good at them. You can PVE / PVP / craft easily with minimal effort or indeed knowledge of the subject. Personally I'm a PVP player that dabbles in missions recently because of kid in the house ( few hrs of peace are a distant memory ). But I did explore the idea of setting up some POS-es for research and making a production cycle. But when you do the math and think about it, it takes a LOT of effort, time and in the end its risky because someone will either kill your POS ransom you or ... the list goes on. Not to mention scamming is a part of the game. Someone stole from your corp, dismantled your whole 0.0 Sov. holding alliance ? Tough cookie bro, excuse me while I pop a beer open and laugh at your misery. Oh yeah, theres a dread fleet with support amassing to "assist" you with your stations and other commodities. And as far as skill goes - who clicks 10 clicks per second more - its irrelevant in EVE true. Its not a short attention span type of a game. Its not like SC2 or BF3, its more like a game of chess, but with guns and other stuff.
malcovas Henderson Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis 120	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:36:00 - [12] - Quote Nerf Burger wrote: I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen. To me this seems like a fallacy of logic. For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special? Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought. Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior? Actually I don't see any of that. If anything the EVE community consistantly help others with advice. WoW has an elitist attitude more than any game I know. Superiosity comes as your knowledge base grows. There are some players that just dont have a clue. Miners that don't fit tank to a Hulk in Jita. Mission runners jumping into Lo in their PVE fit Machs. Telling someone they are wrong is not being "Superior" It is telling them they are wrong. Give them advice, and if they don't listen, then you have a chance to laugh at their stupidity. These Forums are full of such Idiots. To say that EVE community has a "superiosity" complex is inaccurate, douche's yes, scumbags definately, and out and out sociapaths is a must. But when someone needs help. It is there to be had. Personally it's the "whiners" and "Cant be bothered to learn" players I despise. They deserve to be mocked, and trolled. o7
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2528	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:37:00 - [13] - Quote Nerf Burger wrote: ThisIsntMyMain wrote: We don't. We think youre inferior. Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right. Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks Nerf Burger Security Status 0.0 Republic Military School [RMS] Member for 29 days CURRENT CORPORATION Republic Military School [RMS] from 2012.07.06 03:30 to this day The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Nathanien Indoril Engineering. Creation and Extraction 8	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote Imho the ability to learn things is not less a skill, than aiming a flashy crosshair at generic soldiers.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 104	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:47:00 - [15] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior. The fact that you have to behind an online avatar proves you are mr poopy pants. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Nerf Burger Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:47:00 - [16] - Quote malcovas Henderson wrote: Actually I don't see any of that. If anything the EVE community consistantly help others with advice. WoW has an elitist attitude more than any game I know. Let me direct you. Just an obvious example that comes to mind, the comments under this video where markee dragon is talking about EVE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCeBQILgkzY "People with high IQ's play eve, people with low IQ's play mindlessn++ FPS's." BTW, this comment had the highest number of "likes". Here is some more laughables: "And yes you have to be EXTREMELY smart and skilled ton++ reach the pinnacle of trade or pvp in EVE online. Not surprisingly, the best traders in this game are often corporate heavy hitters in real life (at least the ones in my alliance are and they have hundreds of billions). The best combat FCs are often real life military officers. " "When the dumbest player leaves EVE to play WoW, the average IQ of both games increases"
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 386	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:49:00 - [17] - Quote Anyone who thinks they are 'superior' because they play Eve, should quit. Now You want fries with that?
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1178	Posted - 2012.08.04 21:58:00 - [18] - Quote It is the amazing and rare skill of being able to survive boredom. Either that or addiction...
Eron Relentless The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:02:00 - [19] - Quote EVE is indeed devoid of any individual skill, yet an extremely elitist game. You will hardly ever meet as many hateful dejected internet heroes as in EVE. I cant really figure out why, because the only really special thing about EVE is that you dont have to be logged in to get better, and spaceships. Thats why I play. Everything else starting with player run economy through ganking to death penalty has been discovered in older MMOs long before EVE.
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 257	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:02:00 - [20] - Quote Because we are, bro... The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures.
Spy 21 Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage 139	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:03:00 - [21] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Nerf Burger wrote: ThisIsntMyMain wrote: We don't. We think youre inferior. Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right. Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks Nerf Burger Security Status 0.0 Republic Military School [RMS] Member for 29 days CURRENT CORPORATION Republic Military School [RMS] from 2012.07.06 03:30 to this day The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior. Exactly! It takes at least a year just to learn what it is that you actually still need to learn to effectively play this game. There levels of skill and knowledge that are not even apparent before then... Like in the original "Dune".... "I see plans within plans..." S The thread goes on-line June 9th, 2012. Human intelligence is removed from further posts. The thread begins to learn at a geometric rate. The thread becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, June 10th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.-á
Jax Bederen Dark Horse RM 123	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:07:00 - [22] - Quote Nerf Burger wrote: I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen. To me this seems like a fallacy of logic. For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special? Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought. Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior? Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it looks to me it's those who are generally poor at competitive games that are the loudest(similar to sports really, poor player scores he dances for 10 minutes). Here they can have their 20 to 1 odds and beat their chests proclaiming some superiority. Others likely find this game deeper, which it is, but damn people, it's still just a video game, no one is curing cancer here.
Garreth Vlox Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 37	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:13:00 - [23] - Quote Nerf Burger wrote: I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen. To me this seems like a fallacy of logic. For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special? Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought. Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior? Cause we're better than you, and we know it. Sign up for your GloboGym membership today and join the superior people!
Nexus Day Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 19	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote There are several reasons. 1) EVE is a PvP game (with the exception that it cannot sustain itself purely with PvP). 2) It requires skill (which can be trained while not even playing. The longer you subscribe, I mean play, the game the more "skilled" you become). 3) It features a variety of ships (some of which can only be piloted if you have played a long time, all of which you can pay real dollars for to win with). I jest though. Typically in PvP games you get a bunch of helmet heads that haven't seen the light of day in a month. This community seems to be alright.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 7	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:17:00 - [25] - Quote Because we play other, more skill-demanding games and EVE simultaneously.
Pisov viet Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Alliance Please Ignore 86	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:22:00 - [26] - Quote Because they are pathetic nerds betas who wouldnt get a girl anyway.
Arkturus McFadden Sonoran Shadow Black Mesa Complex 173	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Type A personalities. EVE attracts a hell of a lot of them. I think thats why so many EVE players think they are superior.
Sarrein Razor RazorCorporation 1	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:28:00 - [28] - Quote http://rattlab.net/wp-content/uploads/eve-online-learning-curve.jpg I think this explains why we ARE pro gamers;) It is a bit old, but it didnt change much in regard of facts. You can add STO or something similar to the cart, they simply can not stand against eve. I tryed to stop playing, i just found out that there is nothing else as fulfilling as eve on the gaming market.
Omega Sunset Caldari Roughnecks 13	Posted - 2012.08.04 22:38:00 - [29] - Quote @OP With that same argument, you can substitute the debate to tiddlywinks vs. chess. Tiddlywinks is "skill" (reflex etc) while chess is simply knowledge (as the OP seems to denote as the lesser). Clearly the game of chess with it's demand for knowledge requires far superior skill to play compared to tiddlywinks. And generally, you need to be pretty bright and dedicated to make anything of yourself within the chess scene. EVE is far more like chess in comparison to WoW's game of tiddlywinks.
Mors Sanctitatis Death of Virtue 760	Posted - 2012.08.04 23:16:00 - [30] - Quote Lady Spank wrote: Nerf Burger wrote: ThisIsntMyMain wrote: We don't. We think youre inferior. Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right. Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks Nerf Burger Security Status 0.0 Republic Military School [RMS] Member for 29 days CURRENT CORPORATION Republic Military School [RMS] from 2012.07.06 03:30 to this day The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior. This. Intelligence shouldn't be free. -á Mining, reloaded. -á-áADDICTED.

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