We don't. We think youre inferior.

Confirming EvE requires no skill and we are simply playing rock paper scissors online.

I You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right.

Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks

The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.

Actually I don't see any of that. If anything the EVE community consistantly help others with advice. WoW has an elitist attitude more than any game I know.

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The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

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The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.

Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it looks to me it's those who are generally poor at competitive games that are the loudest(similar to sports really, poor player scores he dances for 10 minutes). Here they can have their 20 to 1 odds and beat their chests proclaiming some superiority.
Others likely find this game deeper, which it is, but damn people, it's still just a video game, no one is curing cancer here.

Hiya

Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe

= Ego - Superior Attitude

WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on.

Im afraid it is as simple as that.

In short

Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude

Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on

Hope this helps

The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.

As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time.

They're stuck playing spaceships in a submarine simulator, given the equations in eve this is barely algebra. There is no reason to act superior here. Truly marvelous thrones of pixels we build.

Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?

You don't need your fingers on wasd the whole time just to travel so you can spend more time with your hands on your booze and fags.

On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

CCP solved the left hand problem ages ago. They added an in game browser.

Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right.

Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks

Players in every game think that way...

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

but it's not a complete renegade in that regard.

what else? apart from swg pre-cu that is long gone? Our type of gaming has been long abandoned from the industry, apart from an indie developer (bless you ccp). The Sith rule the galaxy now.

It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general thinking they're superior. Nerds have been beaten down, spit on and reminded how worthless they are for most of their life - despite what Revenge of the Nerds would tell you.

Then, along comes the internet, and all of a sudden nerds gain anonymity and the protection their monitors provide. Some of the bitterest and most jaded of the nerds ended up playing EVE, for obvious reasons, and since they no longer have the filter of a bullies fist in their mouth they lash out at other nerds in a fit of self-loathing.

I pity the nerd.

Because this forum seems to be full of 6 week old idiots who post crap like this and expect to get a serious answer from bitter vets who frankly have seen it all before.

And if you're going to complain that you're not really a 6 week old newbie at least try and be a bit more f@@@ing obvious with your alt name.

I found myself name dropping Eve in another MMO I'm trying and I'm not sure why ... other than the fact their egos could use taming.

But giving the OP some thought, I say:

No Skill?

1) Try developing a successful corporation, better yet an alliance, and keep it going for one, three or five years.
2) Beat the psych ops of a spy who has infiltrated your corp.
3) Own local or at least keep up with and/or affect it, or ignore it altogether.
4) Financially support yourself in the game without opening your wallet.
5) FC a fleet/gang to victory -- more than once -- and against the odds.
6) Don't emo-quit Eve ever.
7) Figure out how to not let an over-powered or extended war dec ruin your game time.
8) Fit an awesome PvP ship without help.
9) Play Eve for a year and keep a sense of humor.
10) Ruin someone else's day. (for evil players).

All of these things and more require skill. And, I don't claim mastery of them.

As an aside, I'm on a quest to find an MMO that remotely matches Eve in terms of skill, variety, metagaming and its unique addictive quality that challenges you to not be your own worst enemy. (e.g., Did I really fall for that scam or leroy that hauler into low-sec?)

Do I expect to find such an MMO? Not today. Do I love Eve? Not always.

Do I think I"m superior? Only when playing Civilization and when I'm around other gamers who have better hand-eye co-ordination than I, but lack signs of other useful qualities that would serve them in life. This happens both in and out of Eve, by the way.

Also, how could it be complaining to admit I'm not a 6 week old newbie? That doesn't even make sense.

These days? No, there isn't much, but there never really was. And as a double whammy, sci-fi MMOs are pretty barren. But for indepth sandbox gameplay, there's still a few dozen available out there, some more popular than others. Ultima, Wurm, Darkfall, Mortal, Second Life, A Tale in the Desert, and more. Maybe even classic EQ1, which you can still play. I know I am missing some, the MMO genre has hundreds of games running at any given moment. There are entire sites dedicated to sandbox MMOs and communities that highlight the "hardcore" ones.

My point mostly was that the idea of a complex, freeform sandbox being an Eve Online monopoly is unfair to a lot of precursors to Eve, and even some post-Eve games. That's not a knock on Eve considering it does it extremely well, but it's something to consider.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

All games have players who believe they are superior to other gamers of different games or the one they are playing.

Generally it just denotes a sad existence. We should not hate or dislike these people but just pity them.

We can all easily point to people in this game who believe they are better than other EvE players or for that matter better than the players of another game. So just feel pity and don't feed their ego or they will spend longer online trying to get gratification in their lives.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

Because they confuse complexity for difficulty.

Eve is full of dicks. An unfortunate truth that cannot be avoided.

As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r

I agree EVE is superior in some dimensions, but only in areas that aren't really that exciting, like economy. I hear ppl saying EVE is hard and hardcore and how you have to be smart to play it and I just have to roll my eyes.

ppl thinking this is the only game,I could name a game that has full loot, alliance politics and clan siege warfare involving craftable ships and siege equipment, huge open world, FFA pvp and where player skill will actually set you apart and play a huge role in combat. The world is so big that ppl complain it takes them too loong to run into each other. Of a game based on individual player skills, youd be hard to find a better FPS game, as most of the projectiles have a much slower flight time than traditional FPS and you have to account for that, or they may be effected by gravity. You must not only have twitch skills you have to be able to predict where your opponent will be at the moment of impact. Tactical use of terrain is VERY important.

The game has no advertising save word of mouth, unfortunately, and got a bad rap from all the retards who cried about other players being better than them even though the HP difference between a newly created character and a 3+year "maxed out" veteran was less than 50%. You could argue the game has a low population for its world size, but you really can attribute a good portion of that to being too hardcore for most gamers. Imagine EVE without high sec. There is no PVE that can be done in safety and for what little safety there is inside NPC noob starter cities, you can still be killed. I could not get anyone I knew to play it, not because they thought the game was bad but because they didn't want to lose their **** to other players and feel that skill gap that you don't have to feel in EVE. Its called Darkfall and I doubt anyone in this thread has even played it.

So that means Darkfall and EVE players are a superior class of people then.

No, I have just noticed that there were more claims of superiority comming from the players of EVE than any other community I've encountered. I'm just wondering why EVE players feel superior in a game that is, imo, mostly devoid of player skill in comparison to other games, probably in order to hold on to its relatively large population. there have been some great answers in this thread so far.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

would you really play a game for years that forced you into thinking you were inferior and you might as well quit because you'll never be able to play "right"?

It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general...I pity the nerd.

int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);

Eve is a smart and complex game, so the players assume they must be smart and complex because they're playing it.

In reality, the average Eve player is dumber than a sack of bricks and doesn't understand 90% of what happens in game.

int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);

I actually think its pretty smart to post on an alt in a game like this where some disgruntled no-lifer would actually dedicate time trying to annoy me after hearing the unwanted truth.

As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
r

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So you are not better at anything in comparison to anyone else? Is that what you are saying of yourself?
Sounds like crates of gold stars...

In this game no I am not, those things I excel at I presume there are others who do it better. In Real Life well that is none of your business but I do not need a game to give me life affirmation

int bPlayingEVE = 1;

do {
System.Console.WriteLine("I am Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1);

I think you wanted to do a compare on the while statement... as in "==" instead of "=". But it will do the same as it is. :) me likes.

I would like to expand upon this:

int bPlayingEVE = 1;
int SkillPoints = 900;

do {
SkillPoints = EVEapi.get.SkillPoints();
System.Console.WriteLine("I am ". SkillPoints." Times Superior!");
} while (bPlayingEVE = 1)

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE.

To play EVE you need brains. You also need brains to understand what skills you need. Unfortunately, most people doesn't have enough brains and think EVE requiers no skills.

To play EVE you need brains. You also need brains to understand what skills you need. Unfortunately, most people doesn't have enough brains and think EVE requiers no skills.

Oh my, that's quite a brave statement ^___^

I'm bored, so I'll stir up the hornets nest alittle by saying:

You don't need skill, or much brains to group gank others at gates, true... but try working the market successfully without either.

I myself find kil2 and eveiseasy videos a great inspiration for solo/small gang tactics. And running fleets succsefully is not an easy task. It really makes a difference when you have a good FC, scout and support. Me, I am still just a drone but I am learning.

I AM OMEGA.

Anyone who thinks they are 'superior' because they play Eve, should quit. Now

All these likes I have.

As most of my EVE gameplay takes place on my boat, moored on a large lake straddling the North Central United States and Southern Canada, the largest body of fresh water in the world, some 350 miles long, 31,820 square miles, and with a depth of up to 1290 feet , I would say I am a Superior gamer.

As most of my EVE gameplay takes place on my boat, moored on a large lake straddling the North Central United States and Southern Canada, the largest body of fresh water in the world, some 350 miles long, 31,820 square miles, and with a depth of up to 1290 feet , I would say I am a Superior gamer.

As most of my EVE gameplay takes place on my boat, moored on a large lake straddling the North Central United States and Southern Canada, the largest body of fresh water in the world, some 350 miles long, 31,820 square miles, and with a depth of up to 1290 feet , I would say I am a Superior gamer.

There are 2 types of Eve player, those that suck and me

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The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.

That get sucked?

I really hope I'm not the only one to get that...

That get sucked?

As most of my EVE gameplay takes place on my boat, moored on a large lake straddling the North Central United States and Southern Canada, the largest body of fresh water in the world, some 350 miles long, 31,820 square miles, and with a depth of up to 1290 feet , I would say I am a Superior gamer.

In this game no I am not, those things I excel at I presume there are others who do it better. In Real Life well that is none of your business but I do not need a game to give me life affirmation

[quote=Kisumii]Seriously though: EVE is a game based on personal goals, competition and capitalism that requires serious time investment... more so then most other MMOs do... it's normal for SOME people to feel kind of superior when they start to excell in one area of it or another... one could argue that those people have an unhealthy atitude towards EVE, seeing it more as a second job then a game that is supposed to be fun... but hey, whose to judge, really.

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Hiya

Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe

= Ego - Superior Attitude

WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on.

Im afraid it is as simple as that.

In short

Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude

Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on

Hope this helps

That was an awful analysis. You have a very superficial view of EVE, probably because you are used to play other games that lack depth of gameplay. So you're saying that EVE is not competitive because it is unbalanced? That is like saying that life on earth is not competitive because it is unbalanced.

Hiya

Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe

= Ego - Superior Attitude

WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on.

Im afraid it is as simple as that.

In short

Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude

Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on

Hope this helps

Requirements for success in Eve: you know how to google, you speak English (or at least German or Russian) to have access to online sources and other players, you know how to use a spreadsheet, and you bring lots of time - mostly to obsess about details (ship stats, fits, market prices etc) and for endless hours of grinding (placing market orders/contracts, reshipping, fitting, finding targets, fleet buildups, corporation management, fueling pos, bashing pos, hauling stuff around, setting up your mining bots etc.). Some very basic psychological finesse can't hurt if you run a corp. That's about it.

Eve requires more intelligence than a simple FPS game, but the average Eve player is still dumber than a sack of bricks (though, that doesn't mean he isn't drowning in ISK or hasn't got an awesome killboard efficiency. Eve is crapping free ISK at every corner and killmail whoring/blob grinding aren't intellectual feats either). Eve markets/industry are extremely simplistic compared to RL markets and much easier to manipulate. You don't need to have an MBA to make shitloads of ISK there, being an obsessive-compulsive hobby accountant is completely sufficient.

Btw, anyone playing a videogame for 18 hours a week (like the average Eve player according to the official survey) instead of spending the time on someting useful or creative (like writing a book, learning an instrument to perfection, getting an additional degree, making real money at real markets, being active in charity organizations, teaching origami to jobless steel workers, coding your own game, or 1000 other worthwhile things that will not just be some stale memories once the servers get shut down or your subscription expires) is per definition an idiot, a failure, and a menace to society.

Eve has real results for failure. In other games when you fail you respawn no big deal. You fail in EVE and you may have lost months of hard work and isk. Real risk real loss.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

You can't be menace so society if your to busy grinding up those Minerals for your next Super Carrier.

Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?

Simple, Because if you can make it here, You can make it anywhere!

Exactly!
It takes at least a year just to learn what it is that you actually still need to learn to effectively play this game. There levels of skill and knowledge that are not even apparent before then...

Like in the original "Dune"....

"I see plans within plans..."

S

Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?

[quote=Sarcasim]Eve has real results for failure. In other games when you fail you respawn no big deal. You fail in EVE and you may have lost months of hard work and isk. Real risk real loss.

This is really not true for the most part.

In WoW, for example, if you die in PvE you suffer durability loss. Back in 2005 when I was raiding Molten Core with 40 other people, a raid wipe was painful financially. I remember disastrous raids where I came out with a full set of broken plate armor that cost 20-30 gold coins to repair. This was a HUGE amount of money. Days and days and days of farming to make that back. It's no different from losing a ship in EVE.

It's just in WoW the loss is handled more gracefully. Instead of dealing with shopping and refitting, which let's face it is just busy work, you simply press one button, X gold gets subtracted from your bank and you're off to fight another war.

Now, in PvP you sort of have a point, there was no durability loss there. Which ENCOURAGED world PvP! Many times people engaged against impossible odds because they had nothing to lose by dying, and everything to gain (honor points, if they succeeded). Compare that to EVE, where 99% of people will run from anything perceived as unfavourable to them.

See, there's two sides of the coin. You can encourage something, by making losing meaningless, but by rewarding a victory. You can also discourage something, by making losing painful, and giving little reward for victory. This is EVE's approach.

And in competitive PvP (arenas, rated battlegrounds), the loss was not measured in gold, but in standing. If you lost, you lost standing, which in turn limited your rank, things you could buy, etc., as certain armors and weapons were rank-locked and could not be traded.

In other words, the game had VERY tangible and sometimes very painful consequences for losing. You can lose months of hard work in EVE. You can just as easily lose months of hard work in WoW. I've seen teams claw their way up to the top over a period of weeks, only to crash back down to 1600 rating in a few hours. It happens there like anywhere.

Same goes for many other MMOs. It's just the penalty for the loss is different. In EVE it usually simply translates into X ISK, where you often determine what X is (see "don't fly what you can't afford to lose"). In other games, it translates into repair bills, standings losses, rank losses (where both determine gear you can wear, weapons and abilities you can use, etc.), Repair bills translate into gold. In the games that have territory control, a loss can also lead to a loss of territory. Not to mention EVE is not the only game where player looting is a feature.

For instance, in Darkfall no items were ever destroyed. See above, where I mentioned rewarding victory? Or punishing loss? Darkfall had 100% of both. If you killed someone wearing a full set of plate, you got that full set of plate in the loot. Unlike EVE where rigs are always destroyed, and the bulk of modules as well. That is, the % of total value that you get as loot is small relative to the price of the whole package. Compare that to Darkfall's 100% of the total value is looted upon death, transferred from the loser. Made killing far more important and way more profitable. Though the game was so badly flawed in so many other areas it's been on life support since launch. But to be fair, it has had a lot more competition in the fantasy MMO genre than EVE had in Sci-Fi space MMO genre (which is none).

There's also Mortal Online, where besides looting there were nifty features such as being able to break into a person's house and rob it. Or pickpocketing. Yep, you could sneak up on them and steal stuff they were carrying. And guards did not automatically attack if you did something wrong, they had to be called for, unlike Concord. Etc., etc.

So, all in all, EVE is actually halfway down the spectrum, between hardcore and Helly Kitty Island Adventure. Which is why I find it funny when people say EVE is harsh and unforgiving. Please, the game is very kind in many ways. There's high sec, which is very safe unless you're doing something very stupid, and 60% of the population lives there. There's ways to dodge wars. There's insurance and payouts, even if you suicide gank (something that no other MMO I know of has). Dock in station and you are 100% safe. Where even in "carebear" WoW on PvP server you could easily be killed in your own faction's capital city, in front of 200 other people. And if you were good, you could even escape after killing someone like that. Guards weren't see-everything godmode like CONCORD. Though I understand a few expansions later they introduced sanctuaries which are safe PvP-free zones same as EVE's stations.

So, honestly, EVE isn't all that hard, and it doesn't punish losing all that much. And it's no more dangerous than most other MMOs out there. The only thing it REALLY does differently is that it allows scamming, cheating and stealing. Something most "civilized" MMOs do not. In this respect, I absolutely have to take my hat off to EVE. Though I strongly suspect this was done not so much by design but just to avoid dealing with all the petitions. EVE has enough technical issues to occupy petition queue besides scamming, cheating and stealing petitions inflating it even further. So like many other things, it may have been a byproduct of a simple business decision.

LMAO yea a repair bill for gear sure does hurt when you can solo a dungeon. PFFT get real WOW was the bigest carebare kids game I played. I played everquest over wow bc it provided more challenge. Still pales in comparison to the depth of eve. WOW has been dumbed down to nothing. I am ashamed to admit I even played it tbh.

It doesn't people just like to tell themselves that. I dunno if you noticed this, but many a folk in eve take themselves a tad seriously... Well MMO's in general. I mean who else is really going to set an alarm for 2:30am on a work/school night to POS bash for hours?