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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:30:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote:
Was thinking the same thing. Sometimes it looks to me it's those who are generally poor at competitive games that are the loudest(similar to sports really, poor player scores he dances for 10 minutes). Here they can have their 20 to 1 odds and beat their chests proclaiming some superiority.
Others likely find this game deeper, which it is, but damn people, it's still just a video game, no one is curing cancer here.
Taranius De Consolville wrote:Hiya
Quite simply because EvE Online is not a large game. Hence when big alliances make small decisions they affect most of the EvE universe
= Ego - Superior Attitude
WOW - Millions if players with Thousands of realms across three main server groups i.e US/EU/China and Japan - Millions of guilds. No one pays attention to anyone outside of there guild because the actions of one guild do not affect the realm the said guild is on.
Im afraid it is as simple as that.
In short
Small player base - Sandbox - Small decision by big alliance - thousands of players affected = Ego = Superior Attitude
Big game - non sandbox - no one cares - move on
Hope this helps
Yea, that makes sense.
Lady Spank wrote:
The fact that you have to hide on an alt proves you are inferior.
I actually think its pretty smart to post on an alt in a game like this where some disgruntled no-lifer would actually dedicate time trying to annoy me after hearing the unwanted truth. |
Fairren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:31:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time.
That's not true. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
223
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:37:00 -
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Genetics, you got short gened, sorry 
I'm an American, English is my second language... |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
353
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:39:00 -
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Confirming that im special;
Did you know that using your brains is a skill too? It takes years of smoking dope to figur out how to use the other 88% of my brains. Stupid people dont see them selves as stupid, cause they dont experiance it that way. Only when you can abstract things to a relative level you can see things objectivly. From there it takes quet some time to figur out individualy stuff that makes you develop yourselve on a total new way.. This expands your horizon untill you get how to use your smartness properly. You assume thinking is all the same, it isnt but you cant know untill you can be abstract, unjudge mental and honest...seeing the things how they are and predict it. Apply that into eve and you will see that using brains is a hugh skill that does vary and does matter. Beatingyour ignorance, greed, selve rightness and stuffs like that is what makes you exell in eve... Kinda funny everyone say eve is a social game, hippiethinking <3
Bad grammar, typos but meh im sure you get the idea, prolly shouldnt have light this smoke 
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
736
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Posted - 2012.08.04 23:41:00 -
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Why we think we are superior? Simple, it has to do with math and the math is the music of life, the universe and the games we play.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies
I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:02:00 -
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They're stuck playing spaceships in a submarine simulator, given the equations in eve this is barely algebra. There is no reason to act superior here. Truly marvelous thrones of pixels we build.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior.
"You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
13
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:17:00 -
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Nylith Empyreal wrote:They're stuck playing spaceships in a submarine simulator, given the equations in eve this is barely algebra. There is no reason to act superior here. Truly marvelous thrones of pixels we build. And what ever maneuver in WoW has been equivalent to the starburst maneuver in EVE? In EVE you have the opportunity to use your mind to invent incredible measures as for to prevail in any given situation. Those games have NOooo challenge, and literally put me to sleep out of sheer mind stimulation deprivation.
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Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
19
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:29:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
Why do so many EVE players think they are superior gamers?
Because they are not.
/thread |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
15
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:37:00 -
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And really, what it comes down to, as far as for the original post, it's not about inferior players vs superior players, but first and foremost it's about lazy players vs. players seeking mind stimulating challenges. We just require more, while they fail more often due to their laziness. Just like chess, you can be good if you have the dedication, but in tiddlywinks you can only progress so far based on your reflex action. The brain is the greatest muscle of the body. |
Theron Urian
The Moirae Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:38:00 -
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I think a lot of the superiority comes from the fact that most MMO's tell you what to do and achieve and then you set out to do it. In EvE its your personal drive that takes you places, the more drive you have the farther up the food chain you can go.
Odds are if you have drive and vision in a game, you also do in real life (But I am sure there are tons of people to prove this point wrong.)
EvE does take some amount of skill, and knowledge is a "skill" as well.
And what is wrong with thinking your self superior to some one else? Screw this equality and non judgmental bull crap, all that leads to is a bunch of ignorant people in your life and you getting hitched to some fat ugly cow. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2529
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:47:00 -
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You don't need your fingers on wasd the whole time just to travel so you can spend more time with your hands on your booze and fags.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
499
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Posted - 2012.08.05 00:54:00 -
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Well, in my case, it's because I am in certain aspects, superior. I'm crap at PVP, a weakness I am first to admit, my killboard records embarrassingly threadbare these last few years... but in other aspects of this game, I am utterly unmatched. I can be anyone, or influence anyone to do anything. I can achieve any vision I set forth for myself, blast through any goals I make... and the things I learned in Eve make me a nightmare to face in other games.
In Matrix Online, I was the first player taken to the white room after the game launched - due to killing 1,600 completely unprepared players when the next killer below me had 700 kills under his belt. I caused so many to quit the game right after launch, that I warranted a special intervention. This was after killing one of MXO's supposedly un-killable event staff, Niobe.
In DarkSpace, I got kicked out of the game for exterminating a quarter of the subscriber base. I'm not actually sure whether this was before Eve or after, but it displays a mindset.
I haven't learned a damn about humility though. I just pretend to be humble sometimes. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:01:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:You don't need your fingers on wasd the whole time just to travel so you can spend more time with your hands on your booze and fags.
i know, right? and you don't even have to pay the griffin rider 20 copper to autopilot your way to your destination. Can't argue with that logic.
On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
737
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:02:00 -
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You won't become a doctor if you are a boxer.
Look at the previous generations of games and this one and tell me what hasn't been dumbed down some more for a already mentally numb generation of gamers that are all about achievements, instant gratification and no challenge.
The number of games that really challenges you as a individual and as a gamer can be counted on five fingers compared to the shovelware of twitch, macro-micro based games.
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies
I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Alara IonStorm
2884
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Posted - 2012.08.05 01:04:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.
CCP solved the left hand problem ages ago. They added an in game browser.
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
132
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Posted - 2012.08.05 02:56:00 -
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Not sure about eve players vs other game players but from what I observer in eve player on eve player:
Terrible players who don't stand out in any activity (in their own point of view and others') they attempt, or don't even attempt stuff because it's too hard or someone's in the way, will always say there is no skill in eve.
The successful players just do their thing and they know they are superior. No need to point it out until asked why.  |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
79
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:34:00 -
[47] - Quote
Players in every game think that way... |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries
Epsilon Fleet
41
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Posted - 2012.08.05 03:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill
I think somewhere in there it talks about Eve. |
Higgs Maken
SmallFat Fatty Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:05:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.
To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.
For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?
Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.
Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?
Firstly, I need to confess I have not read all the comments, thus please bear with me if someone have posted something similar.
Look beyond EVE and focus on the current Olympics, China's Ye Shiwen won Gold and what did her critics say? She is CHEATING! "I'm better then her, there is no way she could beat me, she must be cheating," this is probably what's running in their mind. That's how real people apply first aid to their ego and justified their lost. When it comes to video game PVP, don't we always have winner proclamining they won because of skills and bitter losers QQing it's not fair: winner have this advantage that advantage, if it's a fair fight they would have won. The superior complex you're talking about exists in everyone. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1764
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:08:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:
On a side note, I kinda wish I could WASD. My index finger and middle finger are developing repetitive stress syndrome while my left hand atrophies from disuse.
CCP solved the left hand problem ages ago. They added an in game browser.
Wish it supported flash  |
ThisIsntMyMain
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:18:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:ThisIsntMyMain wrote:We don't. We think youre inferior. Can you give a clue as to why? Maybe a response that someone can read and actually have reason to think you may be right. Right now you are just proving my point. Thanks
Because this forum seems to be full of 6 week old idiots who post crap like this and expect to get a serious answer from bitter vets who frankly have seen it all before.
And if you're going to complain that you're not really a 6 week old newbie at least try and be a bit more f@@@ing obvious with your alt name. |
Ensign X
24
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:22:00 -
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It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general thinking they're superior. Nerds have been beaten down, spit on and reminded how worthless they are for most of their life - despite what Revenge of the Nerds would tell you.
Then, along comes the internet, and all of a sudden nerds gain anonymity and the protection their monitors provide. Some of the bitterest and most jaded of the nerds ended up playing EVE, for obvious reasons, and since they no longer have the filter of a bullies fist in their mouth they lash out at other nerds in a fit of self-loathing.
I pity the nerd. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
139
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:25:00 -
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Anyone who is not finding ever increasing levels of complexity and nuance in this game in it's finer points as they get more and more experienced is simply not playing the game to it's full potential.
Sure you can learn to fly a ship, train skills and press f1 fairly quickly which will get you through most missions... but that is not the same as successfully commanding multiple fleets, holding an alliance together, keeping pilots motivated, controlling... ie CONTROLLING a market niche, manufacturing the most efficient way, creating new strategies that can be widely adapted by a community of thousands et al...
OP, and those that may have agreed without thinking... are not thinking.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
17
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:28:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Players in every game think that way... uhhhhh.... maybe for an mmo noob who has ever only played one mmo in their lifetime. Having played many graphical muds over the past 15 years (and text before that), I do recognize a difference between one to the next. Bottom line is some mmo's just attract certain types of players. None are exclusive to any particular types, we all get different things out of games, but sometimes you just pick up on blindingly bright observations of certain games and the types of players that attract to them, and often are marketed to. |
Xiang Jing
State War Academy
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:32:00 -
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Eh, you see superiority complexes from players in any game that has a competitive element. Noscopez FPS, MOBA games (especially MOBA games), any MMO with a PvP segment, 4x4 strategy games, etc.
Also, we can cite Youtube comments to support our argument now? I wish I had known that sooner. |
Caldari Acolyte
Naari LLC
26
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Posted - 2012.08.05 04:45:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.
To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.
For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?
Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.
Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?
Heres a challange for you Mr Genius
1. Please list these games that are more in-depth & complicated than Eveonline.
2. Please show me an example of the average RL age 12 year old who plays WoW that has mastered Eveonline.
3. When and if you can provide these requests ( and i don't think you can ) you will have convinced me  |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
402
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Posted - 2012.08.05 05:05:00 -
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Confirming I feel vastly superior to any player who does not fly a spaceship. This feeling exponentially increases if said player uses an elf character, moves around mounting a magical animal or walks around with a cape.
"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
Tribal Band
1021
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Posted - 2012.08.05 05:25:00 -
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Because we are.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
17
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Posted - 2012.08.05 05:34:00 -
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Xiang Jing wrote: but it's not a complete renegade in that regard.  what else? apart from swg pre-cu that is long gone? Our type of gaming has been long abandoned from the industry, apart from an indie developer (bless you ccp). The Sith rule the galaxy now. |
Raubrey
KBEAR LOGIC
21
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Posted - 2012.08.05 06:08:00 -
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I found myself name dropping Eve in another MMO I'm trying and I'm not sure why ... other than the fact their egos could use taming.
But giving the OP some thought, I say:
No Skill?
1) Try developing a successful corporation, better yet an alliance, and keep it going for one, three or five years.
2) Beat the psych ops of a spy who has infiltrated your corp.
3) Own local or at least keep up with and/or affect it, or ignore it altogether.
4) Financially support yourself in the game without opening your wallet.
5) FC a fleet/gang to victory -- more than once -- and against the odds.
6) Don't emo-quit Eve ever.
7) Figure out how to not let an over-powered or extended war dec ruin your game time.
8) Fit an awesome PvP ship without help.
9) Play Eve for a year and keep a sense of humor.
10) Ruin someone else's day. (for evil players).
All of these things and more require skill. And, I don't claim mastery of them.
As an aside, I'm on a quest to find an MMO that remotely matches Eve in terms of skill, variety, metagaming and its unique addictive quality that challenges you to not be your own worst enemy. (Did I really fall for that scam or leroy that hauler into low-sec?)
Do I expect to find such an MMO? Not today. Do I love Eve? Not always.
Do I think I"m superior? Only when playing Civilization and when I'm around other gamers who have better hand-eye co-ordination than I, but lack signs of other useful qualities that would serve them in life. This happens both in and out of Eve, by the way. |
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