what else? apart from swg pre-cu that is long gone? Our type of gaming has been long abandoned from the industry, apart from an indie developer (bless you ccp). The Sith rule the galaxy now.

It's not about EVE players thinking they're superior, it's nerds in general thinking they're superior. Nerds have been beaten down, spit on and reminded how worthless they are for most of their life - despite what Revenge of the Nerds would tell you.

Then, along comes the internet, and all of a sudden nerds gain anonymity and the protection their monitors provide. Some of the bitterest and most jaded of the nerds ended up playing EVE, for obvious reasons, and since they no longer have the filter of a bullies fist in their mouth they lash out at other nerds in a fit of self-loathing.

I pity the nerd.

Because this forum seems to be full of 6 week old idiots who post crap like this and expect to get a serious answer from bitter vets who frankly have seen it all before.

And if you're going to complain that you're not really a 6 week old newbie at least try and be a bit more f@@@ing obvious with your alt name.

I found myself name dropping Eve in another MMO I'm trying and I'm not sure why ... other than the fact their egos could use taming.

But giving the OP some thought, I say:

No Skill?

1) Try developing a successful corporation, better yet an alliance, and keep it going for one, three or five years.
2) Beat the psych ops of a spy who has infiltrated your corp.
3) Own local or at least keep up with and/or affect it, or ignore it altogether.
4) Financially support yourself in the game without opening your wallet.
5) FC a fleet/gang to victory -- more than once -- and against the odds.
6) Don't emo-quit Eve ever.
7) Figure out how to not let an over-powered or extended war dec ruin your game time.
8) Fit an awesome PvP ship without help.
9) Play Eve for a year and keep a sense of humor.
10) Ruin someone else's day. (for evil players).

All of these things and more require skill. And, I don't claim mastery of them.

As an aside, I'm on a quest to find an MMO that remotely matches Eve in terms of skill, variety, metagaming and its unique addictive quality that challenges you to not be your own worst enemy. (e.g., Did I really fall for that scam or leroy that hauler into low-sec?)

Do I expect to find such an MMO? Not today. Do I love Eve? Not always.

Do I think I"m superior? Only when playing Civilization and when I'm around other gamers who have better hand-eye co-ordination than I, but lack signs of other useful qualities that would serve them in life. This happens both in and out of Eve, by the way.

Also, how could it be complaining to admit I'm not a 6 week old newbie? That doesn't even make sense.

These days? No, there isn't much, but there never really was. And as a double whammy, sci-fi MMOs are pretty barren. But for indepth sandbox gameplay, there's still a few dozen available out there, some more popular than others. Ultima, Wurm, Darkfall, Mortal, Second Life, A Tale in the Desert, and more. Maybe even classic EQ1, which you can still play. I know I am missing some, the MMO genre has hundreds of games running at any given moment. There are entire sites dedicated to sandbox MMOs and communities that highlight the "hardcore" ones.

My point mostly was that the idea of a complex, freeform sandbox being an Eve Online monopoly is unfair to a lot of precursors to Eve, and even some post-Eve games. That's not a knock on Eve considering it does it extremely well, but it's something to consider.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

All games have players who believe they are superior to other gamers of different games or the one they are playing.

Generally it just denotes a sad existence. We should not hate or dislike these people but just pity them.

We can all easily point to people in this game who believe they are better than other EvE players or for that matter better than the players of another game. So just feel pity and don't feed their ego or they will spend longer online trying to get gratification in their lives.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?

Because they confuse complexity for difficulty.

Eve is full of dicks. An unfortunate truth that cannot be avoided.

As soi many of my fellow ^posters pointed out , we feel superior because we play a superior and unique game
how many %%O qs ar'e out there that can claim that they are a sandbox and have a player driven universe , where one mistake can coist you months of invested time and still we come back again and again
this game needs more than just the skills ingame , it is one of the only games where you need some brainpower if you want to succeed
and this is why alot of us feel superior towards other MMO gamers
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I agree EVE is superior in some dimensions, but only in areas that aren't really that exciting, like economy. I hear ppl saying EVE is hard and hardcore and how you have to be smart to play it and I just have to roll my eyes.

ppl thinking this is the only game,I could name a game that has full loot, alliance politics and clan siege warfare involving craftable ships and siege equipment, huge open world, FFA pvp and where player skill will actually set you apart and play a huge role in combat. The world is so big that ppl complain it takes them too loong to run into each other. Of a game based on individual player skills, youd be hard to find a better FPS game, as most of the projectiles have a much slower flight time than traditional FPS and you have to account for that, or they may be effected by gravity. You must not only have twitch skills you have to be able to predict where your opponent will be at the moment of impact. Tactical use of terrain is VERY important.

The game has no advertising save word of mouth, unfortunately, and got a bad rap from all the retards who cried about other players being better than them even though the HP difference between a newly created character and a 3+year "maxed out" veteran was less than 50%. You could argue the game has a low population for its world size, but you really can attribute a good portion of that to being too hardcore for most gamers. Imagine EVE without high sec. There is no PVE that can be done in safety and for what little safety there is inside NPC noob starter cities, you can still be killed. I could not get anyone I knew to play it, not because they thought the game was bad but because they didn't want to lose their **** to other players and feel that skill gap that you don't have to feel in EVE. Its called Darkfall and I doubt anyone in this thread has even played it.

So that means Darkfall and EVE players are a superior class of people then.

No, I have just noticed that there were more claims of superiority comming from the players of EVE than any other community I've encountered. I'm just wondering why EVE players feel superior in a game that is, imo, mostly devoid of player skill in comparison to other games, probably in order to hold on to its relatively large population. there have been some great answers in this thread so far.

I see it all the time, players claiming superiority because of the game they play, but in EVE the level delusions of grandeur are far beyond anything I've seen.

To me this seems like a fallacy of logic.

For one thing, it doesn't take any special skill to play EVE. You don't need twitch skills like you would in a first person shooter game and you don't need macro-ability or micro-ability or actions per minute like you would in an RTS game. All that is required is knowledge, know what weapons to use, know what you can kill and can't kill, and know what can kill you. Copy a popular fit and listen to your FC and you are as effective as you can be. Your personal skills as a gamer are totally irrelevant for the most part. Know what direction to fly and know game mechanics to succeed. As far as I can tell, there is nothing that really takes skill in EVE, all that is needed is knowledge on what to do, which any simpleton can acquire over time. You could even argue that WoW takes more skill than EVE. So why is it that so many EVE players think they are so special?

Personally I see EVE as a knowledge-based game, not a skill-based game. If anything, this is the kind of game people would be comfortable with after getting sick of losing in skill-based games. I think EVE is a great game, but there no reason to pretend like because we play it, we are somehow smarter or more hardcore than other gamers. There are skill based games that are more hardcore than EVE and require more thought.

Set me right, EVE forum dwellers, what makes you superior?