Originally by: HeliosGal

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Basically a offline pos will degrade 10% per week over 9 weeks till it reaches 90% reduction in its overall original structure

Will make pos bashing of old poses easier. Creating a balance

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Originally by: Kizahhan

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Supported, but would add, after 10 weeks it drifts into the moon and explodes

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Originally by: Fournone

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Originally by: Kizahhan

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Supported, but would add, after 10 weeks it drifts into the moon and explodes

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You read my mind.

+1 on pos degredation

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Originally by: Keith F

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Edited by: Keith F on 09/11/2010 10:58:09
how about a PCU (Pos Capture Unit} that is launched and anchored at POS this starts the countdown depending on Size)for capture of said tower,

Pos owner CORP only can unanchor to stop countdown.

At end of period Module CAPTURES tower and after DT ownership changes.

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Originally by: kongking wang

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i support this aslong as they are totally destroyed inc any other structures and they drop nothing. if you want loot you gotta earn it by taking on the pos head on not waitiing for it to fall appart.

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Originally by: Eclorc

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Personally, I think this is a neat idea with the HP degrading when offline, I would want to see it unanchor after the countdown finishes so you could scoop it up / re-anchor it yourself.

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Originally by: ollobrains

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Originally by: kongking wang

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i support this aslong as they are totally destroyed inc any other structures and they drop nothing. if you want loot you gotta earn it by taking on the pos head on not waitiing for it to fall appart.

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Tower falls apart as it has no fuel the mods remain as is

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Originally by: Lady Australia

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Super support, after 7 days of no fuel pos loses either shield or becomes available to "Hack" or unanchor.

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Originally by: Finn McCaan

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Yeah it degrading if its offline for more than a week seems reasonable, although perhaps rather than it being an arbitrary % maybe it should just have a time magnified DOT applied to it?

Possibly the incursions could be used to help clear some of them out - focus some of the incursion dungeons around abandoned POS sites?

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Originally by: Eclorc

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Personally, I think this is a neat idea with the HP degrading when offline, I would want to see it unanchor after the countdown finishes so you could scoop it up / re-anchor it yourself.

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Originally by: ollobrains

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Simple wormhole and regular space is littered with offline poses

Way to fix one week offline it looses 10% of its shield armour and hull
up to 9 weeks where it will loose 90% and stay at that a large pos then becomes a more manageable 5m shield and about half a mil armour and strucutre

Will make abandoned and unfuelled poses ( with time for the owners to recoup them) much easier to kill they are everywhere and ccp seems to be ignoring how long it takes to kill em

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Originally by: Brakur Ualkin

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I think the only change required is to make destroyed towers drop a can with a random fraction of the components used to make them.

Busting towers would still be an awful way to make money, but it would at least pay for the war-dec and some ammo.

This should take a lot less coding by CCP and therefore have a much smaller chance of going horribly wrong on implementation.

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Originally by: Riggs Droput

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Otherwise assaulting abandoned POS's ends up being a net loss in isk due to the cost of ammo,

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Originally by: Pantorus Necraliss

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+1 for the "Decaying" method

-1 for the hacking possibility. Allowing players to sell free CT, or pos mods, will just make the market to crash. Produce a CT from a BPo have a cost, stealing an abandonned CT don't...

+1 for a deconstruction methode. When shield arrive at 0% and armor at 10% due to decay, you will have the choose : or you blow this abandonned CT (pvp way) or you salvage her (industrial way).
For this CCP can create a new capital size salvage module requiring Anchoring lev5 and Salvaging lev5 (can be fitted on all caps, orca included for high sec use). Long cycles, each cycle reducing the armor and structure

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Originally by: Insane Randomness

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Heavily supported. I got an idea though. Whilst I support your "Decaying" method, take it one step further, and after that ninth week, just make it a big floating ball of wreckage that can be salvaged. Still provides plenty of profit, and it's easy to take care of. It doesn't require several starships to take it down.

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Originally by: Jokerface666

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+1 for the salvaging thing
+1 for the just unanchoring thing
+1 for the blow it easier up thing

i see so many dead poses out there and we just let them be becouse it's a nightmare to take them down right now...

Joker o7

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.

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Originally by: iamnotacriminal

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I'm actually suprised that there has been absolutely no word one way or the other. I do however agree that when you go into a system with 30 moons and there are a half dozen online towers and no recourse other than a wardec in hisec to remove them.

I know the whole "go get friends" argument, but for the most part I tend to notice the "squatters" are not nescessarily defunct, but also being held as unused placeholders by corps and alliances it would be sheer suicide to wardec even for a modest to medium sized corp, let alone a small unaffiliated corp.

In closing, I support this simply because a single 3 man corp using the facilities creates more of an isk sink using it than a larger corp or alliance squatting on an offline tower doing nothing. They pay 250 M isk to errect a small tower, I pay that monthly in fuels and research consumables. their tower costs 250 M isk per decade (if it sits that long) mine sinks 3 B isk a year in fuel...

These towers need a viable way for even a 1 man corp to remove them, and online their own. It would be incentive to never let it go offline, or to unanchor it so the space isn't wasted, or intentionally exploited and denied to someone that wants to use it.

In empire I'm sure the tower says it uses X charters per day? So would in theory these be needed to keep it anchored as well as online? It's still anchored in empire space...

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Originally by: ollobrains

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Simple wormhole and regular space is littered with offline poses

Way to fix one week offline it looses 10% of its shield armour and hull
up to 9 weeks where it will loose 90% and stay at that a large pos then becomes a more manageable 5m shield and about half a mil armour and strucutre

Will make abandoned and unfuelled poses ( with time for the owners to recoup them) much easier to kill they are everywhere and ccp seems to be ignoring how long it takes to kill em

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