And I had to find the quote from CCP Ytterbium about Target painting because it's probably my favorite quote from Fanfest ::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5wnCBfkMh8&feature=player_detailpage#t=2626s


(And the general EWAR quote which I like, especially about ECM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5wnCBfkMh8&feature=player_detailpage#t=2605s

Going back to my point about the Vigil being underwhelming is really simple.
*snip*

Erm, can I get a transcript of those quotes? the captioning on those are...."gibberish"

What! I understand him perfectly fine...

Link #1 :

Same for the Minmatar, Target Painters for EWAR, SERIOUSLY?!



Link #2
So we're not happy with ECM in general but again it's very tricky to do beacuse we don't want to make it useless, if anything we want to take a look at EWAR in general, we want to take a look at dampeners. You use the Arazu or Lachesis for warp disruption range generally not for the dampening. Same for the Minmatar, Target Painters for EWAR, SERIOUSLY?!

So TP doesn't make a target easier to hit for bigger guns?

Thank you and well, I'm deaf and well-read. The captioning for Audio Transcribe on some of those youtube clips make my eyes bleed

Assuming that I've done my math right*:
1 TP is equivalent to a 32% web
2 TPs are equivalent to a 52% web
3 TPs are equivalent to a 60% web

*max skilled T2 TPs with a 5%/level ship bonus, no rigs

I guess I'm trying to understand how you're converting from Sig Radius to speed reduction in this case?

:) heh you should try fitting the drone navigation modules then, specially on a carrier with 15 warriors out... they move so fast you can't even recall them to the ship again (they basicly just orbit you at very high speed then :DD!!!!)

VIGIL:

Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% Bonus to Target Painter effectiveness per level
10% Bonus to Target Painter optimal range per level
Slot layout: 2 H (-1), 5 M (+2), 2 L (-1), 2 launchers
Fittings: 25 PWG , 225 CPU (+15)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(+76) / 300(+26) / 300(+42)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 235 (-15)/ 130s (-57.5s)/ 1.8077 (+0.57)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 400 (+47) / 3.22 / 1080000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 63.5km (+18.5) / 560 (+105) / 6
Sensor strength: 12 Ladar
Signature radius: 36 (-8)
Cargo capacity: 250 (+100)

I've done a fair bit of testing with the 10% per level bonus and it's worked well so far. May get changed though with further testing.
I also tried a 20% per level bonus for fun and it did break things in quite funny ways.

As for the second part, I have plans.

We completely understand that the drone speed and control range bonus on the Maulus is a fairly weak bonus. I consider the extra 10m3 dronebay the bigger portion of the buff to it's damage dealing.

The drone speed and control range was mostly chosen since it's a bonus that has good synergy with damps as well as little chance of becoming too powerful.

CRUCIFIER:

Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% Bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness per level
10% Bonus to Tracking Disruptor optimal range per level
Slot layout: 2 H, 4 M (+1), 3 L, 2 turrets
Fittings: 27 PWG (+2), 235 CPU (+20)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 250(-24) / 400(+25) / 350(+21)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 (+80)/ 180s (-7.5s)/ 1.8333333 (+0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 350 (+68) / 3.35(-1.09) / 1064000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15(+10) / 45(+40)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 64km (+16.5) / 540 (+100) / 6
Sensor strength: 14 Radar
Signature radius: 38 (-8)
Cargo capacity: 265 (+100)

GRIFFIN:

Frigate skill bonuses (unchanged):
15% Bonus to ECM Jammer strength per level
10% Bonus to ECM Jammer cap use per level
Slot layout: 2 H (-1), 5 M (+1), 2 L (+1), 2 launchers
Fittings: 24 PWG (-1), 240 CPU (+15)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 400(+9) / 250 / 250
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 245 (-5)/ 135s (-52.5s)/ 1.815 (+0.482)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 325 (+38) / 3.5(+0.14) / 1056000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km (+5) / 500 (+100) / 6 (+1)
Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 42 (-8)
Cargo capacity: 260 (+100)

MAULUS:

Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% Bonus to Sensor Damp effectiveness per level
10% Bonus to Drone MWD velocity and Drone control range per level
Slot layout: 2 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 3 L (+1), 2 turrets
Fittings: 26 PWG (+1), 230 CPU (+10)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 300(-13) / 350(-1) / 400(+71)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 275 (+25)/ 150s (-37.5s)/ 1.8333333 (+0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 375 (+69) / 3.25(-0.626) / 1063000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 20(+10) / 30(+20)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 64.5km (+14.5) / 520 (+100) / 6
Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 40 (-8)
Cargo capacity: 275 (+100)

VIGIL:

Frigate skill bonuses:
7.5% Bonus to Target Painter effectiveness per level
10% Bonus to Target Painter optimal range per level
Slot layout: 2 H (-1), 5 M (+2), 2 L (-1), 2 launchers
Fittings: 25 PWG , 225 CPU (+15)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(+76) / 300(+26) / 300(+42)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 235 (-15)/ 130s (-57.5s)/ 1.8077 (+0.57)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 400 (+47) / 3.22 / 1080000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 63.5km (+18.5) / 560 (+105) / 6
Sensor strength: 12 Ladar
Signature radius: 36 (-8)
Cargo capacity: 250 (+100)

Agreed. Please keep the drones.

On a side note, When you guys are done T1 Frigs, are you touching any T2 frigs before you move into Crusiers?

I really would like to see the Keres and Hyena be what they should be. I'm not sure I could wait for a full round of T1 changes through Battleships for you to make these EFs useful for the costs. Would love to see the Keres be an upgraded Maulus to what you are proposing here.

In fact with these changes, an EF on field would be a inferior to a degree of its T1 counterpart. Great changes, just maybe give the EFs a quick duct tape fix to hold them over until a true revamp is ready. EFs are already farily gimp, these guys will make sure they never get any ladies.

ItGÇÖs actually the Maulus Drone control range bonus that I would question how that sort of control range bonus is useful as it is at the edge of lock range, you would be well out of turret range and so could fit range augmenter or a drone control rig instead if you wished. Also drones are very vulnerable used at that range, hitpoints or tracking (to help with the increased speed issue) may be better.

drone mwd speed could be useful if the maulus would get allowed to use bigger drones then it usually could.
maybe combine the mwd speed in a volume und bandwidth reduction for electronic warfare and logistic drones?
making the maulus using logistic drones would also dreate a logistic frigate a lot of people are asking for.

I admit that this idea makes me very excited.

-Liang

I believe 7.5% bonus to sensor damps is not enough as a bonus. I suggest a 10% increase to sensor damps would be more sensible. Sensor Damps are pretty gimped, and 7.5% makes it barely, barely usable. 10% will certainly make them worth using. 15% would make it awesome though.


I don't get why the other ships get an optimal range bonus, while the maulus gets a drone control range and speed bonus.


Tracking disruption is strong ewar, so i think 7.5% is good.


Target Painting is lacking the modules need a boost or a boost in bonus would be ideal.


I believe a boost from 7.5% to 15% would certainly make it worthwhile.