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Ghazu
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:10:00 -
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Better dust than space goddamn barbies. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
621
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:12:00 -
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get a ps2 I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
326
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:13:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Forum Harlot wrote:Get a PS3 and quit this never-ending, relentless whine. Can't afford a PS3? Get a job. NO U. For ****'s sake, kid, grow up!
Next! I think we can all see who's being a kid here
Yeah, OK, I'll just patronisingly tell everyone who disagrees with me to go spend CAD 3-400.00 of RL money just so they can try one game, and then not-so-subtly insinuate that if they don't already have the means to do so that they're somehow inferior to me in an RL way that I can't possibly prove or disprove.
Because that's a sign of superbly-honed mature sensibilities and refined good taste!
Stop posting and biomass, please, or else learn to troll properly.
Next!
There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:24:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Forum Harlot wrote:Get a PS3 and quit this never-ending, relentless whine. Can't afford a PS3? Get a job. NO U. For ****'s sake, kid, grow up!
Next!
Excellent rebuke, good sir. I can clearly see the error of my ways and how I was acting like a childish buffoon. |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:36:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:
Yeah, OK, I'll just patronisingly tell everyone who disagrees with me to go spend CAD 3-400.00 of RL money just so they can try one game, and then not-so-subtly insinuate that if they don't already have the means to do so that they're somehow inferior to me in an RL way that I can't possibly prove or disprove.
I did it because you -- and those like you -- have turned EVE General Discussion into "Let's whine because someone is releasing a game on a platform we don't own General". This isn't a matter of OP having done extensive market research that CCP have overlooked, this isn't a discussion about whether or not releasing DUST on a console (Which, for the record, has an immensely greater FPS market than PC) is a good idea - this is "I want to play, but I don't want to buy a PS3".
Oh, and the price for a PS3 in Canada is <250 CAD new.
Lyrrashae wrote:Because that's a sign of superbly-honed mature sensibilities and refined good taste!
Because posting inane, rehashed dribble like the OP is the exact opposite of that, right?
Lyrrashae wrote:Stop posting and biomass, please, or else learn to troll properly.
Next!
So edgy. So assertive. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:37:00 -
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Risk versus reward.
Also, you're about six months behind the 'I hate ps3 and Dust will fail' trend. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:41:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.
However you made a grave mistake in your demographics and market research and the conclusions you have drawn from it.
You went to consoles. You're trying to setup a game that is only long-term profitable via a cash store on the console platform. In the FPS Genre. Did you even read reports of how long console gamers stick to a single shooter? 3 months after you release Dust 514 you will have 90% less people playing it than on day 1.
There were only 64 million play stations shipped - let's assume an EXTREMELY GENEROUS 10% (6.4mil - note: the best selling PS3 game is Gran Turismo 5 at 7.43mil units) give Dust a try at launch. 90% attrition within three months you'll have 640k players. Sounds good right? waay more than eve, right? Wrong. Because they're not paying subscription fees. What percentage of them are going to buy things from the cash shop? How many much do you think you will bring in, per month, from Dust's cash shop.
How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?
What are you going to do when a more likely less than 1million players even try Dust 514? What happens when your 90% attrition takes you down to 100k, what happens where a mere 10% of them spend money in the cash store EVER? Where is the Beef, CCP? What are you going to do to make Dust at least break even. When it INEVITABLY fails on the Console are you going to fast-port it to the PC and see if you can try to not completely loose your ass on it? On PC it might have a chance since PC FPS players have a longer attention span for a single game - they stick around longer if it is good. However even that might save it.
What happens to EvE and CCP if Dust fails? What happens to the subscription dollars that were diverted from iterating on EvE and were instead spent on dust? What awesome features did we miss out on because of Dust, and when will we see them?
CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.
Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped
I am quite sure it was not CCP's idea to make dust for the PS3. I believe it was Sony as they own the ps3 and have a control in CCP as well. In fact maybe CCP is even getting a kickback from Sony for Dust. So I would not be so quick to say they are using your eve dollars for dust. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Mystic Lore Arcanium
Red-Five
23
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Posted - 2012.08.10 03:44:00 -
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All I see is my Walking in Station shifted planetside and given to somebody else.... |
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:00:00 -
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Correct me please, but I don't think something like this has ever been done before. The concept was/is visionary.
This latest patch was nicely executed, so as far as the money from subs, I think we got our fair share this cycle.
I admit I have not been following this, but the one thing that seems lost to me is the reward/motivation for an EvE player to participate. I mean, have you guys seen or heard anything about how we supposed to sponsor a ground team and/or deliver orbital bombardment? If there is a tutorial, I sure haven't seen it advertised. I mean, if this is a Beta, shouldn't we be testing the interactions between EvE and Dust?
Oh and yeah, like others, I'm wondering why this is not available on the PC. CCP shows huge vision to create the EvE-Dust concept, and they don't have the vision to port it to the PC.
Oh Well. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
326
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:11:00 -
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Forum Harlot wrote:
I did it because you -- and those like you -- have turned EVE General Discussion into "Let's whine because someone is releasing a game on a platform we don't own General". This isn't a matter of OP having done extensive market research that CCP have overlooked, this isn't a discussion about whether or not releasing DUST on a console (Which, for the record, has an immensely greater FPS market than PC) is a good idea - this is "I want to play, but I don't want to buy a PS3".
Confirmation-bias is a beautiful thing, innit, troll? Especially as no-one's said anything remotely the sort.
And, [Citation needed], by the way.
Forum Harlot wrote: Oh, and the price for a PS3 in Canada is <250 CAD new.
Is that what it is, now? Sorry, still not interested. I can get RAM + really good GPU for the same price for my desktop.
Forum Harlot wrote: So edgy. So assertive.
Beats myopic, sanctimonious, and pig-ignorant.
2/10.
Next!
There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
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Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
411
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:13:00 -
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One of the reasons why DUST is not, and hopefully never will be, on the PC is the fast amount of hacking that would be done in the game. Everyone has been around long enough to see the length EVE players will go to in order to cheat. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
101
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:17:00 -
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Shitpoasting at its finest.
http://assets.amuniversal.com/7ce483005e08012ee3bf00163e41dd5b |
Jimmy Limmerick
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:18:00 -
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So CCP, thats as far as I got.
tl;dr
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Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:20:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:
Confirmation-bias is a beautiful thing, innit, troll?
Did babby learn a new term today?
Lyrrashae wrote: Especially as no-one's said anything remotely the sort.
Implied.
Lyrrashae wrote:And, [Citation needed], by the way.
A citation needed on what? FPS market being larger on consoles? Pick any multi-platform FPS title where sales/player statistics are available and compare PC sales to any console (sans Wii, of course). Combine all the player statistics from Steam's most popular FPS' (which are bound to have some overlap) and you won't even reach that of, say, CoD:BO on PS3 at peak time.
Lyrrashae wrote:Is that what it is, now? Sorry, still not interested.
Was I trying to sell you something? I corrected the false premise of your argument.
Lyrrashae wrote:I can get RAM + really good GPU for the same price for my desktop.
Irrelevant.
And please show me a "really good GPU" for less than 250CAD. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:26:00 -
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Urgg Boolean wrote:Correct me please, but I don't think something like this has ever been done before. The concept was/is visionary.
This latest patch was nicely executed, so as far as the money from subs, I think we got our fair share this cycle.
I admit I have not been following this, but the one thing that seems lost to me is the reward/motivation for an EvE player to participate. I mean, have you guys seen or heard anything about how we supposed to sponsor a ground team and/or deliver orbital bombardment? If there is a tutorial, I sure haven't seen it advertised. I mean, if this is a Beta, shouldn't we be testing the interactions between EvE and Dust?
Oh and yeah, like others, I'm wondering why this is not available on the PC. CCP shows huge vision to create the EvE-Dust concept, and they don't have the vision to port it to the PC.
Oh Well.
Oh for crying out loud. You guys are complete dolts. Of course CCP is interested in porting dust for a PC. But if they have a contract with Sony which I am sure they do then that contract spells out what they can and can not do. Sony wants a destination game for the PS3 and in their mind dust is it. The contract probably forbids CCP from porting dust to a PC. Contracts can always get changed and might should dust not do well on the ps3. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:43:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit.
i had a ton of console friends foaming at the mouth (even more) for MW2
who plays MW2 these days? nobody EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.10 04:52:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:I have ton of console friends foaming at the mouth to play DUST. Your entire post is, well... bullshit. i had a ton of console friends foaming at the mouth (even more) for MW2 who plays MW2 these days? nobody
Are you joking? First and foremost, last time I played MW2 there was more than enough players to say it's still alive. Even CoD:MW has a sustainable playerbase.
Secondly, the majority of CoD players have always migrated to the most recent title when it comes along. You're talking about a three year old game that has received little to no attention from the developers in its lifespan (Except a handful of DLCs).
Lastly, MW2's low player number can have something to do with the fact that it was completely abandoned by the developers after release, and it's still suffering from terrible balance issues and gamebreaking OP loadouts (read: GL+OMA). No one has fun playing MW2 when even a single person decides he wants to ruin a lobby. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1689
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:05:00 -
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Forum Harlot wrote:Get a PS3 and quit this never-ending, relentless whine. Can't afford a PS3? Get a job.
dust five fourteen: the killer game for the PS3 (we mean it this time) EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Abel Merkabah
TIMELINE Industries
92
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:07:00 -
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I hope Dust does well, and plan to play myself. However, I think PS3 only was a bad call too...it also should have been on the Xbox...lol...all my console FPS friends are on Xbox...I'll miss them :( "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
NickyYo
StarHug
200
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:11:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Poasting in a stealth "I don't have a ps3" thread.
Confirming i have a ps3 and DUST is infact ****. twitter.com/TheNickyYo |
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Yaaar Smackdaddy
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:11:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.
However you made a grave mistake in your demographics and market research and the conclusions you have drawn from it.
You went to consoles. You're trying to setup a game that is only long-term profitable via a cash store on the console platform. In the FPS Genre. Did you even read reports of how long console gamers stick to a single shooter? 3 months after you release Dust 514 you will have 90% less people playing it than on day 1.
There were only 64 million play stations shipped - let's assume an EXTREMELY GENEROUS 10% (6.4mil - note: the best selling PS3 game is Gran Turismo 5 at 7.43mil units) give Dust a try at launch. 90% attrition within three months you'll have 640k players. Sounds good right? waay more than eve, right? Wrong. Because they're not paying subscription fees. What percentage of them are going to buy things from the cash shop? How many much do you think you will bring in, per month, from Dust's cash shop.
How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?
What are you going to do when a more likely less than 1million players even try Dust 514? What happens when your 90% attrition takes you down to 100k, what happens where a mere 10% of them spend money in the cash store EVER? Where is the Beef, CCP? What are you going to do to make Dust at least break even. When it INEVITABLY fails on the Console are you going to fast-port it to the PC and see if you can try to not completely loose your ass on it? On PC it might have a chance since PC FPS players have a longer attention span for a single game - they stick around longer if it is good. However even that might save it.
What happens to EvE and CCP if Dust fails? What happens to the subscription dollars that were diverted from iterating on EvE and were instead spent on dust? What awesome features did we miss out on because of Dust, and when will we see them?
CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.
Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped
You speak like an investor. You are not an investor you are a customer. There is a big difference. |
NickyYo
StarHug
200
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:15:00 -
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Belshazzar Babylon wrote:Why do you care what CCP does with their money? As long as they keep the servers on for EVE and continue to update it what difference does it make? Seriously this is like buying a Bigmac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a new burger.
Because in DUST514 you start in your captain quarters and have another room with other people in! It's like CCP was developing incarna and then got the idea for DUST514 and then abandoned incarna and left it with one room to start DUST514. twitter.com/TheNickyYo |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
13
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:42:00 -
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I think having Dust only on the PS3 is a mistake. Simply because diversifying your target customer base would make more sense.
I do not have a problem with it not being on PC.
I will be buying a PS3 in the spring anyway so idc. I just think it is a bad decision to put it only on PS3.
If Eve players can treat Dust players like they treat each other that will be not good. Most FPS players (in my personal non-scientific experience without empirical evidence) have no problem being griefed in ways that involve being shot. They get over it and forget it once the patch that fixes the exploit (if there was one) goes live. However, I do not think they will be at all ok with being scammed out of their money or equipment.
Dust will be fine, probably. CCP seems to have a pretty good handle on the whole running a game thing or so it seems to me. DON'T PANIC! |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
452
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:52:00 -
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Dust needs to be put on PC. It will absolutely not survive past a few months in the console market.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
203
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:52:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I thought CCP's stated goal with Dust was to reach an audience as different from EVE's current playerbase as possible. One of them said something like that during the Alliance Tournament, anyway.
"one of them"? You mean Hilmar? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1630
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Posted - 2012.08.10 05:58:00 -
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You know what... I'm strangely comfortable with Eve subscription moniez being used on Dust.
I'm also perfectly fine with Fleet doing the flying and MI doing the dying.
The added advantage of Console players... their attention spans are too short to moan about getting ganked by Fleet on the forums. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
210
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:02:00 -
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Denidil wrote: How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE?
If you love something its not uncommon to feel responsible for it, but it makes you feel like an owner then your too close.
CCP is a corporation, corporations dont give money back.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
272
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:20:00 -
[58] - Quote
Belshazzar Babylon wrote:Why do you care what CCP does with their money? As long as they keep the servers on for EVE and continue to update it what difference does it make? Seriously this is like buying a Bigmac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a new burger.
I think a better amalogy would by buying a BigMac and then complaining that McDonalds is working on a Fried Chicken & watermelon menu, slave. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
130
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:24:00 -
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Metal gear 4: sons of patriots. Great game. After beating it a few times more, ps3 been collecting dust. I did buy ps3 just for that game. Now i got a polishing materials to wipe clean of ps3 yesterday and it is now shiny like faggottry amarrians's ships, it is ready for dust514, and will be playing it over the weekend. Why? Well my gtx 470 died and is currently in rma :s
See you guys on the field below friday night, pacific time. Only thing i am worried about is the inconvient downtime schedule for sisi.
I am nervous as much as OP, CCP, and vet pilots are. 6 years and counting, is a long time for a single game. It is targetting new audience, new game style, same server as us eve players (now gods?). But i am hoping great success, and only way to make it happen, if you love ccp enough despite all the up and downs, only me, myself, I, and YOU can make it happen to make dust work and succeed.
If you got ps3, go for it. Rest of you without ps3 and expressing doubt, negative stuff, and what not, give me your stuff, quit eve, and **** off. Those planning to get one, hope to meet you on dust. :)
I am for once nervous and excited for CCP doing something unique that have never been done before. Cross link between pc and console for a mmo. Stepping up the sandbox. |
San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
16
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:28:00 -
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Boseo wrote:and its posts like this that are putting off said console players from playing (and paying) for dust, believe me when I say there is already a lot of post on the beta forums with people asking why the should care when the eve community hates them.
guess what post like this really do not help the situation especially on forums which can be (shock horror) read by anyone.
so if you want dust to fail, keep making posts with over generalisations within them which will stroke console players the wrong way..
also every business has a backup plan when going in to situations like this, so my educated guess is that there are several back up plans for several situations which could happen.
Get a load of this fa66ot, ahahaha, backup plan, yeah right. what's the backup plan holding a gun to peoples head and forcing them to play? learn 2 spell & think & be an adult with some valid ideas that aren't totally laughable and ridiculous before you post because people might read your posts & stop playing EvE or something because you're so unbelievably ret4rded, like a stupid ret4rd. |
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