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NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:29:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:I hope Dust does well, and plan to play myself. However, I think PS3 only was a bad call too...it also should have been on the Xbox...lol...all my console FPS friends are on Xbox...I'll miss them :( It was planned for both consoles, but microsoft happened. So it wasnt ccp's call. Even valve have something against microsoft because valve wants to put free stuff and updates, but ms says no, must charge. |
San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
16
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:37:00 -
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NeoShocker wrote:Metal gear 4: sons of patriots. Great game. After beating it a few times more, ps3 been collecting dust. I did buy ps3 just for that game. Now i got a polishing materials to wipe clean of ps3 yesterday and it is now shiny like faggottry amarrians's ships, it is ready for dust514, and will be playing it over the weekend. Why? Well my gtx 470 died and is currently in rma :s
See you guys on the field below friday night, pacific time. Only thing i am worried about is the inconvient downtime schedule for sisi.
I am nervous as much as OP, CCP, and vet pilots are. 6 years and counting, is a long time for a single game. It is targetting new audience, new game style, same server as us eve players (now gods?). But i am hoping great success, and only way to make it happen, if you love ccp enough despite all the up and downs, only me, myself, I, and YOU can make it happen to make dust work and succeed.
If you got ps3, go for it. Rest of you without ps3 and expressing doubt, negative stuff, and what not, give me your stuff, quit eve, and **** off. Those planning to get one, hope to meet you on dust. :)
I am for once nervous and excited for CCP doing something unique that have never been done before. Cross link between pc and console for a mmo. Stepping up the sandbox.
you can hope it will succeed all you want, you can beg eve players to buy playstations all you want , you can even play it & champion it all you want, the fact of the matter is this game will fail quick as a ps3 only game & all the hoping & praying in the world won't change that. & I'm entitled to my opinion & I'll quit paying my sub to EvE when I get sick of laughing at idiots like you! OK? |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2012.08.10 06:40:00 -
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The poster got one thing right and that is the longevity of shooters on consoles. Its always very short lived. The only place shooters garner any longevity are on the PC and its primarly because of the MOD community, in fact the most successful shooters in the history of gaming have in fact been MODS themselves.
It looks like a fun game and I'm sure my 8 year old will play it, but just like Toy Story 2 and Lego Star Wars .... two months later it will be in a basket with the hundred other games he never plays. This is how it is with consoles.
I think DUST could have a lot of potential in the hands of Eve players, but as a console only release, I couldn't possibly care any less about it. |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
131
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Posted - 2012.08.10 07:00:00 -
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San Severina wrote:
you can hope it will succeed all you want, you can beg eve players to buy playstations all you want , you can even play it & champion it all you want, the fact of the matter is this game will fail quick as a ps3 only game & all the hoping & praying in the world won't change that. & I'm entitled to my opinion & I'll quit paying my sub to EvE when I get sick of laughing at idiots like you! OK?
Yes, I may be an idiot, but I know where I can follow a decent gaming company that less player turnovers and steadily growing (slowly) throughout the years. In the end, I will be laughing at you when you decide to come back after you are exposed more to other less than average gaming companies. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4453
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Posted - 2012.08.10 08:07:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money
Does your boss get to tell you what to spend your wages on? It seems like you feel entitled to tell CCP how to spend the money you pay them for access rights to TQ.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Pilna Vcelka
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.10 08:16:00 -
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OP: You dont gain any "rights" to tell CCP what to do and what not to do by paying them subscription money. Nobody ******* cares about you. You dont get the right to boss people around in a pub by buying a beer, you dont get to set flight prices and schedules by buying an air ticket.
You pay your subscription to able to log in for 30 days and do whatever you enjoy - then you pay again or GTFO.
Oh the EVE die hard pros - topics like these show their real and mental age bare naked. Freakin pubescent nerds yelling at everyone after spending their pocket money, gah. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.08.10 08:36:00 -
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Denidil wrote:
How many years until Dust pays for itself and we EvE players see the money come back to EvE? How many subscriptions to EvE could you have gained instead had you invested that money into improving EvE and marketing it?
I think that was the funniest part.
CCP is a profit-oriented company. CCP is an asset. A Venture capital asset. Assets exist to benefit their owners. If they don-¦t perform they get dumped. Do you own CCP? HTFU nobody forces you to pay CCP, you are willingly a part of EvE. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:22:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust.
Its their revenue, they can invest it any way they see fit. Siphon away, funny stuff. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
559
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:35:00 -
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San Severina wrote:you can hope it will succeed all you want, you can beg eve players to buy playstations all you want , you can even play it & champion it all you want, the fact of the matter is this game will fail quick as a ps3 only game & all the hoping & praying in the world won't change that. & I'm entitled to my opinion & I'll quit paying my sub to EvE when I get sick of laughing at idiots like you! OK?
Bye Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
160
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:53:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:anyone who tries something new will clearly fail! I'm scared of new things
We fear change. They say that in learning the game Go, it is best to lose your first 50 games as soon as possible. This is because Go is complex, and the only way you will start to get an idea of strategy and play is by first sucking and failing as hard as you can. So...In EVE, it is best to get your first 50 deaths by combat as soon as possible. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1651
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Posted - 2012.08.10 09:57:00 -
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So,DUST is dying too? DAMMNIT! |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
560
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:03:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:So,DUST is dying too? DAMMNIT!
In the grand tradition, probably means it will still be kicking it's gravestone in 10 years like EVE Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Shamubar
Sons of new eden WO'S HO'S
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:10:00 -
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dust is something i have no intentions to play or get involved with at the moment even though i have a ps3
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-13-an-entire-top-end-dust-514-load-out-costs-around-USD0-24-in-real-money
pretty much paying for each life and with how quick deaths can rack up in a FPS we can all see where this is going |
Kallie Rae
NorCorp Security AAA Citizens
19
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:14:00 -
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There is one thing i've never understood about Dust, and that is why did they choose PS3 only? Also why not make it available on PC as well? |
Shamubar
Sons of new eden WO'S HO'S
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:22:00 -
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i have never understood that one either, while yes ps3 may reach out to more people you put dust on the pc then you can be sure 90% of eve players will give it a try, what happens with the ps3 becomes outdated replaced? how many people who play dust on the ps3 will trully understand eve online, look at current top FPS, BF3 and CoD how may people work as a team in those games not very many.
this game will become so devalued and usless to the people of eve online as people wont listen or do whats needed or follow orders if you will, they will just care about the kill to death ratio as always.
while i agree some parts of the game look interesting they could also backfire which most eve players are scared off as what will happen to eve online if dust fails. |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:26:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust. A free to play shooter with a cash store that you hope will pay for itself and become a meaningful part of the EvE Universe. This is a laudable goal - creating a more complete game ecosystem. Fleet (EvE) does the flying and MI (Dust) does the dying and all that. It even sounds like fun. If it were a done right I wouldn't even begrudge you using our subscription dollars from EvE to do it - if it would eventually pay for itself. If it did eventually pay for itself EvE would get that money back, and that money would get spent improving EvE in the long run.
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CCP - you used your existing game to bankroll your new one. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when that game has a high chance of failcascading and said investment diverted from making our main game more awesome then you have some responsibility to the players of your main game.
Note: for comparison - Wii 96.56 million units shipped, Xbox 360 is 67.2 million units shipped
You sound like someone who pays for a product you like and thinks it's still "your" money after youve spent it.
Go to the next bakery, buy a bread and then tell mr. Bakerman how to use "your" money.
Seriously, lol. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
588
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:33:00 -
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Who the hell came up with "failcascade?" For crying out lemons.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
562
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:42:00 -
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CCP have said they are launching DUST on PS3.
I bolded & underlined the important word there. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Othran
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:43:00 -
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Having Dust exclusively on PS3 may have helped the dev costs but it won't result in a sustainable game due to the small market it targets.
The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink.
Eve takes up enough time and if I play something else then the very last thing I want is something else Eve related. I'll play something totally different and Dust isn't it.
I hope it does well but if I'm being honest I think it was poorly conceived and poorly executed. In addition the P2W model is hopelessly optimistic - I can hear it now when it fails : "how come this isn't working, surely its awesome"
No point in moaning about it until dev focus is switched to "save Dust". At that point then CCP may need a bit of a slap to refocus on Eve (again). |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:46:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:The wisdom of targeting the console market, and specifically PS3 is dubious at best. Additionally, the PS3 is over 6 years old now. People who don't have one aren't going to go get one. Those things are antiques with their 256mb of RAM and 3.2 GHZ single core processor.
Not a single core processor. 8 SPEs and one PPE.
Just shows how much some "PC gamers" know about consoles... |
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Shamubar
Sons of new eden WO'S HO'S
0
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:48:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:CCP have said they are launching DUST on PS3.
I bolded & underlined the important word there.
if you mean it may be out for something else then you are wrong they have stated countless times that it will be a PS3 Exclusive
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-07-dust-514-confirmed-ps3-exclusive |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8969
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:51:00 -
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Shamubar wrote:pretty much paying for each life and with how quick deaths can rack up in a FPS we can all see where this is going Good thing that you don't have to pay anything then.
Othran wrote:The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink. GǪand that is kind of why they aren't aiming at pleasing the EVE crowd by releasing it on PC. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jess Maine
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
13
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:52:00 -
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I gotta agree in a way, DUST isn't going to stand up to Planetside 2 (don't argue to me about platforms, we all know everyones practically gritting their teeth into powder for Planetside 2) but when I mention DUST to people their first response is "Wtf is DUST?". |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
436
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Posted - 2012.08.10 10:55:00 -
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I was planning on joining the rant because I don't have PS3... but then my son walked in and brought his PS3 (from his mother's home) with him... Buahaha... downloading the beta right now! "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
329
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:07:00 -
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Forum Harlot wrote: [snip of ignoring arguments that troll-kid can't refute]
And please show me a "really good GPU" for less than 250CAD.
This one looks pretty decent. (OK, so it's "right around" CAD 250.00, so sue me vOv)
There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:08:00 -
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Buy a PS3 just to play dust, not a chance, wouldn't waste my cash on a PS3.
Been reading this thread wondering what the fuss is all about.
FPS are ok for awhile but they soon start to get boring. Will Dust be any different? Maybe but I doubt it somehow.
If I wanted to play a land based game I'd probably just play GW2.
I don't think Dust is going to do too well, might be wrong of course like any forecast.
But even if Dust doesn't do well, I don't see it killing off EVE.
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dexington
118
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:12:00 -
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Denidil wrote:So CCP, you've used our subscription money to siphon away to create dust.
It's money you pay to CCP, and they can invest it any way they like. If you don't like the fact the CCP decided to invest in dust and WoD, stop paying and go play something else if you feel so strongly about it. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
145
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:21:00 -
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I wonder, if DUST fails completely, will it take EVE down with it? I guess it comes down to whether CCP has taken out large loans to finance DUST, or financed it with their own cash reserves. The Invulnerability Sphere:Make mining/industrial vessels defendable, better fights for everyone! |
Othran
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
221
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Othran wrote:The only people who will play Dust long-term are existing Eve players and personally I don't need another Eve related time-sink. GǪand that is kind of why they aren't aiming at pleasing the EVE crowd by releasing it on PC.
Well not really Tippia. You can get a fair amount of cash/development assistance if you target specific hardware. CCP have taken advantage of this in the past for Eve Online with NVidia and I have no doubt Sony provided "assistance" (whether financial or embedded devs) to CCP for Dust. Such is the way of things and its no big deal unless you're expecting the game to attract people for years.
The problem here is that its likely to be a niche game on (fairly) niche h/w, with a playerbase where the majority haven't been conditioned into P2W, never mind the "awesomeness" CCP believe will work
I hope it works but I wouldn't bet one Icelandic imaginary spacehip ISK on it happening. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8970
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Posted - 2012.08.10 11:34:00 -
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Othran wrote:Well not really Tippia. You can get a fair amount of cash/development assistance if you target specific hardware. CCP have taken advantage of this in the past for Eve Online with NVidia and I have no doubt Sony provided "assistance" (whether financial or embedded devs) to CCP for Dust. That would make sense if the decision to go console hadn't come long before it became a PS3-only game (and even then, I haven't seen anything saying it will be a PS3 exclusive game GÇö just that MS is being oldfashioned and obstinate so far).
Quote:The problem here is that its likely to be a niche game on (fairly) niche h/w, with a playerbase where the majority haven't been conditioned into P2W, never mind the "awesomeness" CCP believe will work Then again, PC is even more niche in the FPS genre these days, and MT is already prevalent among newer console shooters. The fact that it's not P2W will probably further improve its chances. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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