Doing some exploration without getting annoyed about tons of signatures being "only" yet another wormhole or that tiny complex your ship doesn't fit into. :)

But never got around to try?

Have you always wanted to run Cosmos dungeons but never found one? Wanted to mine but didn't know where to start? Take part in a live event but couldn't find one?

Discuss.

PLAY MY WAY! MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY!

Dude, so long without seeing one of these kind of post.

But never got around to try?

Have you always wanted to run Cosmos dungeons but never found one? Wanted to mine but didn't know where to start? Take part in a live event but couldn't find one?

Discuss.

Please keep going, this is good stuff!

And yes, I left out all the PVP possibilities out of my examples. That wasn't on purpose though.

Do you want to solo pirate in low-sec? Small gang warfare in 0.0? Claim your own slice of space?

Small gang (<30 members) skirmishing in null.

Closest I have gotten always turned out to be face-rolls/ganks/drop-bait.

Requires a major revision of anchored bubble mechanics, gang-link mechanics and null mechanics in general to be feasible though, so I have no illusions ..

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

all the current topics, all the things in features and ideas and you still dont know what people have been asking for over the last 12months or so?

I'm butthurt

Live in a wormhole as a lone (or a small group of) nomad. At the moment the options are either doing a trip back and forth from ouside, anchoring a pos or getting a second account for an orca.

What I'd like to see is some sort of a way to have a feasible small base of operations that can store a few ships and some loot. Setting up a pos takes a few hours and the orca option needs a second account.

Conflict needs to be rewarded by isk but in a way that can not be exploited. So occupance and good fights is the goal. Not risk reduction.

Like renting a U-Haul trailer full of ammo, ships and supplies and hitching it to your Raven?

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

Like renting a U-Haul trailer full of ammo, ships and supplies and hitching it to your Raven?

all the current topics, all the things in features and ideas and you still dont know what people have been asking for over the last 12months or so?

Interestingly, the majority of the people that agree to something being "wrong" with EVE disagrees what exactly is wrong and totally disagree on solutions and order of priority.

Or they simply claim something is wrong but cannot pinpoint what and most certainly have no suggestions to how things could be improved.

I know a lot of the solutions people are proposing, I still feel it's not quite as obvious what they're trying to solve. In fact I think a lot of different people are trying to solve different problems. Plus it doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.

I know a lot of the solutions people are proposing, I still feel it's not quite as obvious what they're trying to solve. In fact I think a lot of different people are trying to solve different problems. Plus it doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.

Please, sir. These are the EVE forums. There's no room for your logic and levelheadedness here.

...I feel that some of you should actually play the game. Join mining ops. Join pirate gate camps. Roam around in Null-sec gangs. Shoot sov modules. Gank noobs. Get blobbed. In short, do what we do instead of just watching us do stuff.

I've tried most of the things I was remotely interested in

- nullsec (NPC and Sov), FW, lived in a WH, highsec, cosmos missions, l5 missions, trading...

Yet what I'd really ike to be able to do would be meaningful small scale warfare.

Imho, small gangs are the most fun to be had in this game, but from a strategic or financial PoV, they're pointless - there's no strategic goal that can be achieved and from a financial pov, it's mostly a losing bargain.

So I'd really love to see raidable moon mining arrays - we'd finally have an incentive beyond :goodfites: to get into a 10 man hac gang and fly somewhere into 0.0 - i.e. steal peoples moongoo.

Large powerblocks would be forced to actually defend their space against small gangs instead of jumping around supercap blobs like locusts, taking loads of space, setting up poses and then only log in to refuel them, jump/titanbridge and sell their goo.

Please, sir. These are the EVE forums. There's no room for your logic and levelheadedness here.

Arnar. You want our help? Please stop trolling your own forums.

Arnar. You want our help? Please stop trolling your own forums.

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

I'm sorry, I completely failed at trying to be witty. Please continue, all these replies are excellent. We need more!

I wanted to fly in space. Work on that part please.

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for?

I know a lot of the solutions people are proposing, I still feel it's not quite as obvious what they're trying to solve. In fact I think a lot of different people are trying to solve different problems. Plus it doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.

I've tried most of the things I was remotely interested in

- nullsec (NPC and Sov), FW, lived in a WH, highsec, cosmos missions, l5 missions, trading...

Yet what I'd really ike to be able to do would be meaningful small scale warfare.

Imho, small gangs are the most fun to be had in this game, but from a strategic or financial PoV, they're pointless - there's no strategic goal that can be achieved and from a financial pov, it's mostly a losing bargain.

So I'd really love to see raidable moon mining arrays - we'd finally have an incentive beyond :goodfites: to get into a 10 man hac gang and fly somewhere into 0.0 - i.e. steal peoples moongoo.

Large powerblocks would be forced to actually defend their space against small gangs instead of jumping around supercap blobs like locusts, taking loads of space, setting up poses and then only log in to refuel them, jump/titanbridge and sell their goo.

A lot of us do. You just don't know who we are.

Give us the Nova Bomb...
Let the Noobs of Highsec find the occasional "Holy Hand Grenade"...
and they will visit death and destruction upon the evil blobs and gatecamps which will vanish in a "flash".

As these ultimate weapons of Our lady of Enema work their way into the "arses" of Zero,
SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL RISE as new players are incentivised to join Eve and celebrate the tears.

Only the truly strong in zero will be able to maintain anything larger than small holdings and the economy of Eve will be thrown into high gear as the need for isk and minerals rises to replace the losses.

Of course the response will be that "Nobody will build anything but Ibises with Nova Bombs then." But this shouldn't be the case if CCP sticks to the principle that EACH SHIP MUST HAVE PURPOSE... so perhaps you must have a Titan to manintain the Sovereignty markers.. and perhaps only Dreads should defend Titans.... and perhaps only Battleships to defend Dreads.... and so on down the line...

except that the occasional Nove Bomb comes along to keep the entire situation in balance no matter what the size of the alliance... Total war... total mayhem.. total PvP... AND RISING SUBSCRIPTIONS !

I'd like to get into some solo wormhole PVE. Unfortunately, it takes a while to find a soloable WH, and even then it could be dangerous and less profitable than incursions/missions. I want to explore WHs for story, new content and to mix things up, while making a bit of ISK on the side.

Only goons are allowed to be that stupid. Stop it. Just stop. Bad.

Dude, so long without seeing one of these kind of post.

Live in a wormhole.

If you want a Nova Bomb do it right. Dreadnought deployed missile that flies into the sun and make it go nova, destroying everyone and everything in the system.

So you are beginning to warm up to the idea, eh ?

BUT, it is essential that the Nova Bombs originate in level 1 missions (which can only be accessed by PAID SUBSCRIBED PLAYERS) to control their frequency of appearance and they must be launchable from low skill ships to make certain the Noobs have access to them .

Other than that, why not, I like your train of thought anyway.

When i came back last time, i promised myself to try something new. So off to wormholes it was. It turned out ofcourse that wormholes are boring. The pve is just a big slow pain in the ass, while the pvp is just silly. Either you ganks someone doing anoms, or most likely you try to kill them at a wormhole, wich, if you ever take a trip into a wormhole, you will discover that is just pointless because once you start taking damage, you just jump trough and fly away.

And thats what you can do in a wormhole. theres nothing more.

So, i made a few alts to run missions, but thats boring too.

So i joined a 0.0 alliance, but after two fleet ops, one were i participated in killing a titan, i had to leave because i really dont get any joy from being in a fleet fight with 800 other people. Theres no tactic, just point and click on the target then wait.

So i left 0.0, and instantly felt i got my personality and freedom back. I was no longer a sheep.

I tried running cosmos missions, but it bored me.

I tried running cosmos sites, but it felt pointless

So now im playing civ 5

Aims of EvE/Stuff to try out:-

-Destroy a Supercarrier in a frigate!

Like renting a U-Haul trailer full of ammo, ships and supplies and hitching it to your Raven?

Like renting a U-Haul trailer full of ammo, ships and supplies and hitching it to your Raven?

- holding sov and an outpost with a 300 man alliance. Totally without being a pet/renter. The lack of this completely ruined EVE. If you want a lot of karma to come back, make small alliances able to hold stations.

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

I'd love to suggest that you guys institute eve arenas, 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 with real ships, real pilots, no podding (or concord) in a controlled environment. Purely Gladiator style of the future.

Please, sir. These are the EVE forums. There's no room for your logic and levelheadedness here.

I wanted to build a corporation where everyone would have some important/meaningfull role without a fear that some day some other member had cancelled all their industry jobs, stolen their ships from pos hangar, emptyed corp wallets and hangar.

Then I realized that only way to do this is not to hand out any important/meaningfull roles and not to even try recruiting.

Current corporation roles/configuration options are very limited and support mainly corporation model where few guys run the corporation and remaining players will be ants forever. Even in this case some inside guy will eventually bail and collect everything corp has as his retirement fund.

Now I'm not a game designer. I don't know how to tell you to do your job, Zulu. But I can tell you this: you're game is boring as hell. You guys need to figure out a way to bring back FUN. Period. Make the damned game fun. Or people are not going to stick around.

Careful now. You are essentially asking for the game to entertain you instead of having to seek out a purpose yourself. What you are asking for is the design philosophy behind all the "themepark" MMOs. True, EVE is boring when you do not invest your own effort into it but I prefer it that way. Especially as I cannot invest in the themepark games where the ride resets every week and the only mark of progress you get is the color of your hat.

The "solution" is most certainly not to turn EVE into a themepark MMO. I will rather have half the number of subscribers than that.

But never got around to try?

Have you always wanted to run Cosmos dungeons but never found one? Wanted to mine but didn't know where to start? Take part in a live event but couldn't find one?

Discuss.

Hop into some noob ship with CCP Prism X and teleport to somewhere way down south. Set a route to somewhere way up north, preferring unsafe routes. Then I'll go to the forums and post my intentions and select parts of my route.

I sacrifice my pride in this manner as it is my hope that people will scoop up my frozen corpse for gloating rights. Gloating rights they will have to fight tooth and nail for as I will immediately update the topic with the location of my demise as well as with the name of the scallywag who took me out. He will thus become the next target in this morbid chain of "Tag!" while he possesses my body or until it is destroyed.

But I'm pretty sure we have rules against this as, in the end, someone might end up with a unique item after Dev interactions and that's not cool. Besides, I can get the entire EVE Community against me by posting something stupid.. so I don't really need to do this.

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

Hop into some noob ship with CCP Prism X and teleport to somewhere way down south. Set a route to somewhere way up north, preferring unsafe routes. Then I'll go to the forums and post my intentions and select parts of my route.

I sacrifice my pride in this manner as it is my hope that people will scoop up my frozen corpse for gloating rights. Gloating rights they will have to fight tooth and nail for as I will immediately update the topic with the location of my demise as well as with the name of the scallywag who took me out. He will thus become the next target in this morbid chain of "Tag!" while he possesses my body or until it is destroyed.

But I'm pretty sure we have rules against this as, in the end, someone might end up with a unique item after Dev interactions and that's not cool. Besides, I can get the entire EVE Community against me by posting something stupid.. so I don't really need to do this.

On the topic what I want out of Factional Warfare;

Right now there are two major story lines in EVE: One written by CCP which mostly involves the NPC factions and the one written by the players that is mostly dominated by the big zero sec alliances. Why mostly them? Because EVERYBODY feels the market disturbances caused by events in zero sec either through supply or demand.

But those zero sec alliances did not appear out of nowhere and rarely did a bunch of random people suddenly decide the group together to exploit moon goo. No, these alliances have started as small groups often bound by items outside the world of EVE, like real life friendships, internet communities, interest in role playing, Counter Strike clans, shared language, nationality, etc.

But not everybody has a group like that when they start playing EVE or maybe feel they want to do effort for a guild leader (CEO) they have never met in person and who puts unreasonable demands to what they should do with the gaming time.

Those kind of people would perhaps rather want to cross into the other story line where the setting for conflict and your role is already set making it darn easy to get into. By siding with the NPC factions you avoid the pompous CEO, but most importantly you get a chance to find a group to belong. A group that might later start their own alliance and conquest of zero sec space.

So, Faction Warfare should accomplish two things (besides meaningful game play, of course): One; provide an environment where (new) players can find a social group with a shared goal, and two; bridge the two story lines to increase the players feeling of immersion in the EVE universe.

Heh, a little late to the party are we?

Search the now archived forums for FW related threads, they go back 2+ years with descriptions of what is wrong, what is right and what is needed for awesomeness. We represent the first (and probably last) group of players who have managed to keep a whine going for over two years with no interruption .. longer than the silly "boost hybrid!" crowd even
If you truly want to know and gather feedback then do so in the appropriate forum (always wanted to say that to a Dev .. hahahahaha) by asking politely, just don't be alarmed by the flood of response such a thread is likely to get ..

Now I'm not a game designer. I don't know how to tell you to do your job, Zulu. But I can tell you this: you're game is boring as hell. You guys need to figure out a way to bring back FUN. Period. Make the damned game fun. Or people are not going to stick around.

Lots of other posts have hit on this same theme, but yours was nearest at hand so I went for the easy quote. Here's the thing that lots of people are dancing around in this thread w/o actually hitting the nail on the head: this game is BORING. Mind-numbingly, soul-crushingly boring. Yes, there are strains of brilliance in the design. Yes, Eve offers some of the most epic PvP in the MMO industry. Unfortunately, those strains of brilliant design, and those moments of epic PvP, make up less than ten percent of the overall experience.

Now I'm not a game designer. I don't know how to tell you to do your job, Zulu. But I can tell you this: you're game is boring as hell. You guys need to figure out a way to bring back FUN. Period. Make the damned game fun. Or people are not going to stick around.

I truly believe in the power of FW to revitalize the player base's passion for EvE overall -

Lots of good stuff.

I disagree. But, before you jump on your anti-anti-FW comment, hear me out.

..I just caution the statement and the thought process that spending great quantities of time on this issue (which I believe you when you say it has problems), may not be the best use of CCP resources right now.

....Industry - New tech, revamp of manufacturing, redistribution of minerals and ice, will ripple out across every single form of game play from the industrial, the PvEer, to the PvPer, and even FW.

0.0 - Redistribution of rocks, sov mechanics, overall rebalancing - again, ripples out into a greater portion of the game. Production of ships, market prices, more ships destroyed, more ships manufactured and sold, more minerals hauled, more small gang fights occurring, more lowesec pirates pouncing on the people traveling through their rough space, more large fleets forming, more.. more.. more.. Even the lowly solo belt miner in 1.0 space will be affected as the markets begin to shift one way or another.

Ship balancing (SC nerf / T3 Frigs / AF 4th Bonus, etc) - This is a big one. Every fight out there has the possibility of changing. Solo PvP, PvE plexes, roams, gangs, fleets, and yes, even FW. New tactics will have to be learned, new ideas tried, new ways of fighting, new ways of being sneaky, and new ways of winning.

....

I heard you out but I think Hans is right.

You mentioned allot of balancing and redistrubution stuff. That won't actually add any new sort of game play or create anything new to do. Its just shifting the sand.

FW is the *only* mechanic in EVE that even attempts to promote frequent, quality, small scale and solo pvp. That is an important mechanic and the fact that it was left broken for so long is crazy.

Hans WTF! Come on now don't concede so damn much!

And I am not suffering delusions of grandeur! You stupid minmatar just ask to get kicked around.

But never got around to try?

me and some friends always wanted to carve out our own little ( 1or 2 systems)independant empire in null sec ..but the currnet sov systems and big nullsec alliance assholes ( rmters botters and other unwanted idiots)make this impossible

I have always wanted to PvP against CCP and stand a chance of winning.

I want to be able to find new systems and build a jumpgate to it with my name on it so others know I was there first and I found it.

I always wanted to setup a strip club & bar on some station or city on some planet, then slowly monopolize the prostitution industry in New Eden. Sadly Incarna isn't completed yet.

Out of interest, for those saying they want to try Factional Warfare: What is it that you're looking for? The roleplay? the storyline involvement? The "casual" PVP? Which experience are you looking at the Factional Warfare system to fulfill?

Claim your own slice of space?

I would like to have a button for turning off this damn INCARNIA crap please. I miss my old ship rotating view. This walking around crap is just that , CRAP! Smell like yesterdays Earth and Beyond(game) junk but updated. If I wanted this dress up stuff I would go play one of those dress up games like Fresta or Evercrap XXXXVII.

Give me a button to turn this junk off please. I am playing this game to have fun in space not do socal crap.

If you want a new idea do this; A unknown alien force has entered into the known galaxy and forces alll human races to join forces against this new threat . This will make valid reason for capital ships in normal space.

YAAAAAAA!!!!! i got what I ask for (EVE Online: Incarna 1.1.2 to be deployed on Tuesday, October 18) whooo hooo update.
Thanks CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Done everything except Live Events.

How about employing some Aussie actors so we can actually participate in live events, like the rest of EVE.

OK, I know that's not gonna happen, but I have to try, yes?

open the DOOR..

Like renting a U-Haul trailer full of ammo, ships and supplies and hitching it to your Raven?