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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:24:00 -
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Indeed that is true m8, and I dont say I dont agree, jsut that if nobody reach a hand out to negociate or work out the differences, nothing will happen to unite GW, I just did that and as stated, Keiretsu will take all approaches seriously and discuss any suggestions/solutions Foundation might have, but as long as they wont, nothing can be solved.
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el Bodak
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Scorpyn
It's difficult enough as it is. If Keiretsu and Foundation merges, there will still be 2 subgroups. You really don't need the extra pressure it would give if 1 group had to give up its name.
Yeah, two groups: 1)the group of people who aren't so stuck in the past that they can really work together and 2) a group of people who like sticks in their bums so much that they continue feeding old grudges. I dunno.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.02.22 14:32:00 -
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I for one enjoy battles, sagas and drama as much as the next man.. but those that know me will also know that I am always willing to listen and make compromises if they are truly for the greater good. Foundation know where to find me or any other Keiretsu leader if they are interested in re-opening dialogue. |
Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Treebeard dk
Thought about that one :)
IF CCP agrees on us changing the name of the alliance, no doubt it would be a solution, but we would still need foundation at the table before we can even talk about a solution.
i really have to agree with u, and i think your ideas are really great. you should be the one handling the diplomacy.
but if we did unite there are ppl on both sides that ppl dont like. for expample i would not fly under/with drilla/velios because what i have seen them say from logs and on forums they lack respect for alot of ppl, and i know it goes both ways on both sides.
its a good idea treebeard, but its gotten to the point that nothing will work, its just a matter of time before one of the alliances is defeated, but its a worth a try.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:30:00 -
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Well Hepatitis... I've encountered some ridiculous things that have been said to me in local at times as well... yet I would not hold grudges. I would fly with you no problem. |
Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2005.02.22 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Treebeard dk on 22/02/2005 15:46:28
Edited by: Treebeard dk on 22/02/2005 15:44:08
Thanx for the reply Hep, yes, you are right, there is things that may not be solved, but we can try, I doubt that many people would take this game THAT seriously that you cant forget old grudges and work it out. I joined CA when ALTZ and INFOD were still fighting together in GW with M.corp etc., if you guys still have the same opinions and still share the passion for the region as you did back then, you should let the old grudges be forgotten and move on.
Btw, I AM doing the diplomacy...
And maybe you are right, maybe one of the alliances will end up defeated, that's the game right? But I am sure even if one of our alliance were brought down, corps from that broken alliance would still be knocking on the door and make trouble, that is never going to end, defeated or not and that is why I wish us to get along. Its a fact that foundation dont have a string Euro side and Keiretsu dont have a strong US side, so I really dont see its going to be a big problem whether you want to fly with someone or not. But lets talk, gather key persons that are willing to make an honest attempt and lets meet on TS and talk.
EDIT: typos
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Berak FalCheran
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Posted - 2005.02.22 16:02:00 -
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Sounds good Treebeard. I wish I much to say in this but unfortunatly (Or fortunatly?) I'm just a simple fighter.
I really hope this problem gets solved because I much rather shoot down pirates instead of old friends. (Though that is fun to... LOL)
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Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.22 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Velios
Well Hepatitis... I've encountered some ridiculous things that have been said to me in local at times as well... yet I would not hold grudges. I would fly with you no problem.
well who wouldnt want to fly with me :p
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Kadarin
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Posted - 2005.02.22 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hepatitis
Originally by: Velios
Well Hepatitis... I've encountered some ridiculous things that have been said to me in local at times as well... yet I would not hold grudges. I would fly with you no problem.
well who wouldnt want to fly with me :p
Fly with Hepatitis? Have to check to see if my vaccinations are up to date... 
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Major Bash
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Posted - 2005.02.22 22:57:00 -
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Well, this might be starting to go in the right direction now ppl. Sadly, the hard part is still left to conquer, and that is to get the "leaders" from both sides to come to an agreement and be able to work together.
Myself and many others dont have that issue to take care of since we dont mind joining up under one flag, but others do...sadly. And sadly those are the ppl high up that make the decisions, so dont hate me for saying that this wont be resolved in the near future altho nothing would please me more if it would
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Kadarin
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Posted - 2005.02.22 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kadarin on 22/02/2005 23:18:09
Major Bash, if the situation is to be resolved, it must be in such a way as to save face for both sides. Pride is a very strong motivator, particularly for leaders of any alliance/corp.
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Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.23 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Major Bash
Well, this might be starting to go in the right direction now ppl. Sadly, the hard part is still left to conquer, and that is to get the "leaders" from both sides to come to an agreement and be able to work together.
Myself and many others dont have that issue to take care of since we dont mind joining up under one flag, but others do...sadly. And sadly those are the ppl high up that make the decisions, so dont hate me for saying that this wont be resolved in the near future altho nothing would please me more if it would
couldnt have said it better myself.
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Jaisan
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Posted - 2005.02.23 00:37:00 -
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I for one have always stated that I would be willing to work along side the Kieretsu in the GW, but I could never be working for them.
The main reason that no-one wants to back down, is the failure of another enemy to fight against. As most Foundation/Kierestu corps love PVP, we would have little enjoyment from the game from a peace between us, until we can unite to PVP against another foe.
But until peace comes, neither corps nor individuals will prosper.
I have heard of a solution that has been mentioned by a few people now... the division of GW arkanor sources, Kieretsu to hold the mining rights to U3K, and Foundation to hold mining rights to VIH. With free NPC hunting rights in all GW systems to Kieretsu/Foundation.
What it boils down to is, do we just want fun killing each other, or grow and prosper together ?
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Blitz0r
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Posted - 2005.02.23 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Blitz0r on 23/02/2005 03:58:46
well i see people saying things that sounds good, i also know why foundation changed their goals on the open border issue, let me tell you it has nothing to do about GW in general... (i know the true reason).
I also know that foundation joins up with anyone coming through GW and want to take a potshot at keiretsu.
KTW left GW after joining sides with Foundation instead of staying neutral in the region, before CA fell i really thought that KTW had a chance down here and personally felt that the n-dq system was to be their home. I know a lot of pilots on both sides are leaving the area and hopefully a lot of them will return later on.
About the NAP people, doesnt matter if the NAP included POS restrictions or not, personally i feel its stupid to put up a POS during NAP times, the NAP was to defend the area and that was agreed on from both sides even if foundation had other goals with the nap, such as mine and get back their lost assets. BSC only mines, thats all they do, we never see them fight no more and its a shame a few in a alliance can make the rest suffer and its sad that all the others let those few decide those things.
Keiretsu have changed recently and will keep changing to fit the new world of GW, survival of the fittest remember.
so now EGCO and KTW left foundation, Khal left EGCO hanging and joined JURIsomething declared war and now hangs out a lot in empire trying to gank lonely Keiretsu pilots. But as i said everything is allowed in love and war and so is this.
When it comes to talks i believe that the leaders of foundation and not their fighting members (the great ones) should come to talk, sorry to say this but nothing will ever happen if just the members talk, it's still the leaders who make the decisions unless the members take control of their alliance... It's the members that makes the alliance not the leaders.
I doubt that neither of Keiretsu nor Foundation are ready to talk at this time.
And if you wish to start discussing something like this stop flying with MASS and CORN(XETIC) as soon as you see them. I do not trust noone within Foundation and i will not for a very long time, one reason is that they would do anything to hit back on Curse, but they have to realise that curse is dead, there's nothing to hit back at. Get over it. What would those foundation members do if we were all joined up and some enemy would come down, would they give their old CA dispute-members up? one will never know but i know i will not take that chance for a very long time and more with me.
m0in!
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.02.23 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: DUFFMANX on 23/02/2005 07:39:44
Some very true words there Blitz0r and some well i wont say not true but less accurate. U r right bout wots goin on and a united group wopuld have more fun and be more secure. Tbh like u say with trust to certain ppl that goes both ways dude as others dont wanna get ****ed over, but hey give ppl a chance to let the past die in their own time if u offer the right set of circumstances to work on a even basis with them.
As far as KTW r concerned i left gw over personal confliction with wot was goin on there and am focusing on new members (acutal noobs for training) and working on corp as a distraction and its different. But there r some of the corp down there wopping ass and taking a kicking also. Dont wrry though when time is right ill be back for good.
Edit: and Wtf is m0in 
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Treebeard dk
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Posted - 2005.02.23 08:28:00 -
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m0in m0in m0in
:)
Means hello in some parts of Denmark and kiiiiiiinda like the seaguls in Finding Nemo, miiiiiine miiiiiiine
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.02.23 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Treebeard dk
m0in m0in m0in
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Means hello in some parts of Denmark and kiiiiiiinda like the seaguls in Finding Nemo, miiiiiine miiiiiiine
So thats where it coms from, always thought ye were listening to the sound of sensor boosters too much hahaha
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Blitz0r
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Posted - 2005.02.23 10:05:00 -
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There's always more than 1 side of a story, i can only publish the story i believe in and try to leave my personal feelings out of it.
i hope the back for good part will be something.. erhmm.. good 
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Kalsius Dakalsai
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Posted - 2005.02.23 13:22:00 -
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About the NAP people, doesnt matter if the NAP included POS restrictions or not, personally i feel its stupid to put up a POS during NAP times, the NAP was to defend the area and that was agreed on from both sides even if foundation had other goals with the nap, such as mine and get back their lost assets. BSC only mines, thats all they do, we never see them fight no more and its a shame a few in a alliance can make the rest suffer and its sad that all the others let those few decide those things.
I dunno where that crap came from, having personally led and been part of fighting groups in GWL, especially chasing weak ass Keir members flying round with WCS fitted to their intys your impression of BSC betrays your incorrect assumptions which will be your downfall.
Personally I think a peaceful GW will never exist purely due to the drivel most Keir 'leaders' seem to spout. Theres a lot of people, myself included who would fly with old allies in Keiretsu against a common foe but would not become part of 1 large alliance. This simple premise seems to evade those 'up top' playing their power games whilst other pilots are the ones actually doing the deeds....
As stated before TF is weak EU times and Keir is weak US times, mebbe if the people doing the discussin pulled their heads outta their collective assets they might see a simple solution.
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Jimstar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 20:23:00 -
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Following post is my personal opinion.
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BSC only mines, thats all they do, we never see them fight no more and its a shame a few in a alliance can make the rest suffer and its sad that all the others let those few decide those things.
Well I must say that BSC did the same in fade space.
Your nice guys but they do have a point, when you don't have the change to mine, we don't see you.
And fighting? hmm can't remember I have ever seen you.
A litte side note: I hope this conflict ends soon, I am pretty bored during EU times since keiretsu is camping me most of the time in E02.
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:14:00 -
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The whole reason why the initial talks broke down was that Foundation didn't want an official alliance as it's a disadvantage in terms if empire wars - that's why Balta and Morganni told me in a TS meeting.
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Major Bash
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jimstar
A litte side note: I hope this conflict ends soon, I am pretty bored during EU times since keiretsu is camping me most of the time in E02.
This buggs me the hell out too 
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jimstar
Following post is my personal opinion.
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BSC only mines, thats all they do, we never see them fight no more and its a shame a few in a alliance can make the rest suffer and its sad that all the others let those few decide those things.
Well I must say that BSC did the same in fade space.
Your nice guys but they do have a point, when you don't have the change to mine, we don't see you.
And fighting? hmm can't remember I have ever seen you.
You didn't look at the FU killboard that much did you? BSC was among the top corps when it came to pvp participation, even though they were not mainly a pvp corp.
Could have been just another time zone issue regarding the "I didn't see them in space" comment.
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Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.23 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Hepatitis on 23/02/2005 23:37:10
edit:retracting post
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Jimstar
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Posted - 2005.02.23 22:07:00 -
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that's true indeed. Kal is fighting.
And yes I was talking about european timezones regarding to fade.
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2005.02.24 02:11:00 -
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I seem to recall being ganged many times with BSC back in the NSA/FU days, and i'm pretty sure i was ganged with some the other night in GW.
I'm not known for hallucinating, BTW...
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Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.24 05:11:00 -
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hey blitz any rax's falling on u? :p
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2005.02.24 05:42:00 -
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*laugh* "And it looked like a giant *****. I couldn't believe that it was falling on top of me. I swear, if you look at >ship not disclosed for decency issues< it looks like one!"
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Zigadenus
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Posted - 2005.02.24 06:12:00 -
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Heh, we can see who was on the joint TS server.
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Hepatitis
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Posted - 2005.02.24 06:19:00 -
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LMFAO. i have to laugh every time. ya that was some fun 2-3 days.
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