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Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.08.10 12:52:00 -
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Probably ransoms and scummy pirate methods. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:00:00 -
[32] - Quote
Definately no, and leave L4 missions in high-sec.
If I'm afk I'm always in a station, but looting tag, that would just be more crap to loot.
Sounds to me all you're really trying to do is make high-sec crappy enough that nobody wants to be there. Except as the game is that won't happen, if high-sec gets too crappy they won't move to low-sec or 0.0 they'll just leave the game. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
92
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:03:00 -
[33] - Quote
Urgg Boolean wrote:No. A better idea is to shift the in-game currency to Rings of Jordan ... Or maybe it's better to leave the game alone for a while.
WTS Rifter 1 HR!
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
160
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:04:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yes,
it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.
Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.
Have a nice weekend!
Well, at least he didn't preface this moronic crap with a "we" statement.
They say that in learning the game Go, it is best to lose your first 50 games as soon as possible. This is because Go is complex, and the only way you will start to get an idea of strategy and play is by first sucking and failing as hard as you can. So...In EVE, it is best to get your first 50 deaths by combat as soon as possible. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:10:00 -
[35] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Stop PvPing and you will.
Okay we'll quit PvPing and you can go find buyers for your deadspace loot, LP store items or ores when nobody is shopping for any of those things because they're not getting blown up.
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1036
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:11:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, you want to hammer the hell out of PVE income generation, and you just stated that trading is not the easy mode of generation ISK.
Precisely then, how do YOU make your ISK to fund your PvP activities and such.
I had to reread my posts, and still can't see where I said I want to hammer the hell out of anything? I'd like to decrease the ATM-like nature of current PVE, not decrease the actual profits. About trading I only echoed Richard's statement that trading is hardly risk-free.
And since you asked, by long-term investments using capital I accumulated during my active trading period(s). I also run a wh PI setup (most of that I feed now to corp wallet to buy ice products). I used to explore a lot but mostly for entertainment, now pretty much the only PVE I do is sleeper sites, and only because I want to give my corp members fun, regular and involving means of income generation, and I use my share to fund my corp's monthly award program.
Guess that answers Anslo's petty trolling as well.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:14:00 -
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Roime wrote:Destination SkillQueue wrote:I'd rather have bounties and LP. Having to loot every wreck for tags in order to make an income is boring as ****. Salvaging is about 400% more interesting than shooting rats. People in wormholes already loot & salvage everything, and never complain- because having your income in a tangible form, exposed to hostiles actually adds interesting gameplay.
Well it used to be when decent loot would occasionally drop ....
These days ....
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:21:00 -
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I agree with this, but leave L4s in high-sec; ninja-looting is a lot of fun and would be even more fun under this proposal.
Nothing Found |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:22:00 -
[39] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:I agree with this, but leave L4s in high-sec; ninja-looting is a lot of fun and would be even more fun under this proposal.
And that's probably the best reason for leaving it as it is. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:24:00 -
[40] - Quote
Sabrina Solette wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:I agree with this, but leave L4s in high-sec; ninja-looting is a lot of fun and would be even more fun under this proposal. And that's probably the best reason for leaving it as it is.
Please explain.
Nothing Found |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
384
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:This post makes sense, you know how we are always trying to switch from wireless technologies to wired technologies with massive physical requirements?
Just the other day I was talking to my buddy Joe, and we changed his cell-phone out for a VOIP router and 1,600 ft of cable on a spool.
....
The CORRECT course of action would be to remove tags all together, and make LP a market commodity.
wireless is garbage. reliability and ease of hackers getting your ****.
also this thread is GARBAGE.
**** no. i would unsub in a heartbeat. |
Jonah Gravenstein
723
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:31:00 -
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Roime wrote:Yes,
it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.
Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.
Have a nice weekend!
While I agree with the need to stomp all over the bots, replacing the NPC bounties with tags to be sold to NPC buy orders would be a step backwards with regards to a player run economy, LP I believe is a primary source of faction ammo (at least that's where a lot of my LP goes).
L4 missions should be available in hisec, although an AI revamp to sleeper or incursion levels will certainly make them a lot more entertaining and increase risk which would remove the blitzing/afk tactics that some players use. Fits would change, people would lose ships and tears would be collected. Familiarity with the concept of their ships assploding may also encourage people to indulge in PvP.
L1-3 missions are fine, leave their AI as is, we don't want players who are still relatively new being discouraged from playing by being wtfpwned by NPCs in what is supposed to be relatively safe space
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:32:00 -
[43] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:I agree with this, but leave L4s in high-sec; ninja-looting is a lot of fun and would be even more fun under this proposal. And that's probably the best reason for leaving it as it is. Please explain.
As it stands ninja salvagers get away with loot and salvage quite often virtually with no risk in most cases. The proposal you agree with means the missioner would get nothing for their trouble other than the mission reward, they might not even get that if it requires an item that the ninja salvager looted first.
But of course I did not need to tell you that as you already knew hence the more fun for you comment. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
251
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:38:00 -
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Roime wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So, you want to hammer the hell out of PVE income generation, and you just stated that trading is not the easy mode of generation ISK.
Precisely then, how do YOU make your ISK to fund your PvP activities and such.
I had to reread my posts, and still can't see where I said I want to hammer the hell out of anything? I'd like to decrease the ATM-like nature of current PVE, not decrease the actual profits. About trading I only echoed Richard's statement that trading is hardly risk-free. And since you asked, by long-term investments using capital I accumulated during my active trading period(s). I also run a wh PI setup (most of that I feed now to corp wallet to buy ice products). I used to explore a lot but mostly for entertainment, now pretty much the only PVE I do is sleeper sites, and only because I want to give my corp members fun, regular and involving means of income generation, and I use my share to fund my corp's monthly award program. Guess that answers Anslo's petty trolling as well.
1. By converting bounties into lootable tags, you dramatically increase the time required to acquire the bounties. Looting and then flying to NPC buyers takes time. Time = money. And that does not even begin to touch the potential of someone getting ganked with a hold full of tags.
2. You stated that you want L4's removed from high sec. Kind of destroys PvE ISK generation right there, in a big big way.
As for you methods of generating ISK, sorry, most people can't do that, or don't have the time to do it. I lived in wh's for a long time, and am fully aware of the time commitment required for a successful Sleeper op. Many people do not have the ability to block off a contiguous chunk of time to run in a sleeper op, or an incursion op.
L4's are their only source of decent income..
This thread is simply yet another "nerf hi-sec thread". |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:43:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:As it stands ninja salvagers get away with loot and salvage quite often virtually with no risk in most cases. The proposal you agree with means the missioner would get nothing for their trouble other than the mission reward, they might not even get that if it requires an item that the ninja salvager looted first.
High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards?
Nothing Found |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
345
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
The myriad of idiotic ideas from the low-null sec muppets aimed at destroying hi sec is amazing. Destroy hi sec and you destroy eve, take the tin foil off and get it thru your heads. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.08.10 13:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:As it stands ninja salvagers get away with loot and salvage quite often virtually with no risk in most cases. The proposal you agree with means the missioner would get nothing for their trouble other than the mission reward, they might not even get that if it requires an item that the ninja salvager looted first. High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards?
No I don't agree, because that's not how high-sec works in general. There's a lot of high-sec players in NPC corps, they're effectively solo players with a chat line.
That propasal would just give you more loot and cause more grief to the other player for no more effort on your part which is why you consider it fun.
The greater rewards you refer to are not isk and what you may consider a reward someone else may not. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
Sabrina Solette wrote:That propasal would just give you more loot and cause more grief to the other player for no more effort on your part
It could be a very hazardous job if people had incentive to defend their loot... In wormholes, for instance, you run the risk of losing your ship and the loot.
Sabrina Solette wrote:which is why you consider it fun.
I actually find ninja-looting fun because of the implied risk rather than for some abstract "tears" (although watching idiots rage in local is pretty funny), but it becomes more boring the more I realize no one is really ready to defend their loot. I think this change would be better overall.
Nothing Found |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:15:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:The myriad of idiotic ideas from the low-null sec muppets aimed at destroying hi sec is amazing. Destroy hi sec and you destroy eve, take the tin foil off and get it thru your heads.
hi uh this proposal would have the same effects on anomalies
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:Stop PvPing and you will. Okay we'll quit PvPing and you can go find buyers for your deadspace loot, LP store items or ores when nobody is shopping for any of those things because they're not getting blown up.
Fine by me. |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
401
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:23:00 -
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I'd like to reiterate my big NO.
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Kinis Deren
EVE University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
I agree with OP - remove bounties and sec gain from all sov null ratting activities and switch the reward to worthless lootable tags instead!  |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
Kinis Deren wrote:I agree with OP - remove bounties and sec gain from all sov null ratting activities and switch the reward to worthless lootable tags instead!
i guess you also agree with the OP on the whole "remove l4s and incursions from hisec" part
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
408
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:32:00 -
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wouldnt a better way just be that ccp sends a jove ship to afk people after an hour of sitting in space? |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I agree with OP - remove bounties and sec gain from all sov null ratting activities and switch the reward to worthless lootable tags instead! i guess you also agree with the OP on the whole "remove l4s and incursions from hisec" part
If we get screwed, so do you goon stooge. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
477
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:35:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Andski wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I agree with OP - remove bounties and sec gain from all sov null ratting activities and switch the reward to worthless lootable tags instead! i guess you also agree with the OP on the whole "remove l4s and incursions from hisec" part If we get screwed, so do you goon stooge.
These are hard words from a hard man.
Nothing Found |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:That propasal would just give you more loot and cause more grief to the other player for no more effort on your part It could be a very hazardous job if people had incentive to defend their loot... In wormholes, for instance, you run the risk of losing your ship and the loot. Sabrina Solette wrote:which is why you consider it fun. I actually find ninja-looting fun because of the implied risk rather than for some abstract "tears" (although watching idiots rage in local is pretty funny), but it becomes more boring the more I realize no one is really ready to defend their loot. I think this change would be better overall.
Ninja salvagers will go where they can get the max profit with the least risk, which is why L4s get targeted often. That risk won't increase with that proposal because high-sec has a lot of solo players and the ships are fitted for PvE.
Implied risk, if you like to think it's risky that's up to you but in most cases the risk is next to nothing. Some might let you take the stuff, others might blow up the stuff but the risk to you is minimal in general. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:36:00 -
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Anslo wrote:If we get screwed, so do you goon stooge.
oh dear, faction mods might cost more than a pittance?
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
594
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:39:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:Does make sense. I approve. AFKers bug me and make FW turn into a carebear fest...
Your avatar looks like a girl I used to know.
Xenuria CSM 8 |
Richter Enderas
Kaesong Kosmonauts
Test Alliance Please Ignore
166
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Posted - 2012.08.10 14:43:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Lyskal Oskold wrote:Does make sense. I approve. AFKers bug me and make FW turn into a carebear fest... Your avatar looks like a girl I used to know.
Tell us about the time you were kicked from TEST because you admitted to viewing child pornography. |
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