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Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 398	Posted - 2012.08.10 14:54:00 - [61] - Quote Roime wrote: Destination SkillQueue wrote: I'd rather have bounties and LP. Having to loot every wreck for tags in order to make an income is boring as ****. Salvaging is about 400% more interesting than shooting rats. People in wormholes already loot & salvage everything, and never complain- because having your income in a tangible form, exposed to hostiles actually adds interesting gameplay. If you think salvaging/looting is enjoyable then feel free to do so. Do not try to force me to do it as well. Thank you. You want fries with that?
Bunnie Hop Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 347	Posted - 2012.08.10 14:54:00 - [62] - Quote Richter Enderas wrote: Xenuria wrote: Lyskal Oskold wrote: Does make sense. I approve. AFKers bug me and make FW turn into a carebear fest... Your avatar looks like a girl I used to know. Tell us about the time you were kicked from TEST because you admitted to viewing child pornography. This kind of nonsense does not belong on the forums.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 316	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:03:00 - [63] - Quote So explain how this would work in sov controlled nul sec? Would people running legitimate anoms and sites have to fly their tags to npc held space? Or would this be a new station service for tag collection? That would be a joy, having each alliance transfer sovs on their stations just to add new service mods. Also, given that the best way to gain faction standings is with lvl 4 missions, anyone wanting to gain enough standings to anchor a pos would be forced to mission in low sec. Nice way to force people to play your way. And what of the epic arcs? Would you force them to be fully low sec oriented? (save for the sister's arc) Seems to me that this is a poorly thought out idea that doesn't take into consideration all factors these changes would create. It's just a knee jerk reaction, good for starting discussions, but failing to actually take into account any true ramifications if the,proposal.
Hiyora Akachi Bling Ring Tax Evaders 96	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:18:00 - [64] - Quote oldbutfeelingyoung wrote: Another play it my way thread or nerf the hell out of Eve Posting in a not so stealthy Play EvE my way thread.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1040	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:22:00 - [65] - Quote Lady, this is obviously a discussion-starter, not a complete suggestion essay which would belong to another section on the forum. In my personal experience, looting and salvaging is not a terrible chore, neither is hauling the goods to stations to sell- this is what wormhole inhabitants do. Instead, it's an activity that promotes teamwork and sharing responsibilities in a corp. An op always has a dedicated salvager in a specialized ship. And the important part is really teamwork. Trust in your fleet/corpmates, improving as an entity are the best parts of MMOs. So why not invite someone to loot and salvage with you? Fly with buddies to lowsec to run the L4s, someone keeping guard, while a small gang pops the rats, someone salvages afterwards? Even with current mechanics, co-operation like this makes PVE fun. Couple this with vastly improved rat AI, and we have something that would promote some nice brosefing in New Eden. Why not form a larger group, and assume control of a small pocket of lowsec? Keep the baddies out while you run the missions, and suddenly content has been created for not only you, but to the baddies as well. As what comes to "destroying hisec" and "forcing people to play my way" BS, whatever changes made to hisec as an endless source of effort-free, anti-social income are good changes. We need to work towards solutions that encourage people to team up, and engage in all the fun that can be had outside the starter zone- to experience EVE at it's best. All these changes are meaningless as long as hisec offers a way to achieve the same, risk-free and bot-like. And obviously converting bounties to loot would affect all areas outside wormholes. Some are against, some for, but discussion is always good. Trolls need to step up their game, at least make an effort to be funny. Maybe something comes out of this, but now I'm opening a beer and have an EVE-free festival weekend. Open your minds and chill :) Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman

ISD TYPE40 ISD Community Communications Liaisons 98	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:27:00 - [66] - Quote Thread cleaned of off topic troll posts and personal attacks, please stay on topic and post responsibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Sabrina Solette Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:35:00 - [67] - Quote Roime wrote: And the important part is really teamwork. Trust in your fleet/corpmates, improving as an entity are the best parts of MMOs. So why not invite someone to loot and salvage with you? Fly with buddies to lowsec to run the L4s, someone keeping guard, while a small gang pops the rats, someone salvages afterwards? Even with current mechanics, co-operation like this makes PVE fun. Couple this with vastly improved rat AI, and we have something that would promote some nice brosefing in New Eden. Why not form a larger group, and assume control of a small pocket of lowsec? Keep the baddies out while you run the missions, and suddenly content has been created for not only you, but to the baddies as well. Team work from NPC corps? You do realise that NPC corps are made up from all sorts of characters. We have alts from pirate corps for example, now how do you trust those? Or are you proposing to get rid of all NPC corps and force people into player corps? Team work is limited in high-sec it's not like low-sec or 0.0 where most people are in player corps. Just because someone is in an NPC corp that does not make them anti-social by default.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found 58	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:39:00 - [68] - Quote I quite like the first point. Replacing bounties, LP and so forth with tags or tiers (a system which already exists and is open to player market involvement) does indeed seem reasonable at first glance. There are questions as to how it would impact newer players, particularly if specialist equipment (salvagers) was required, how it might impact the secondary market (LP offers for tags for example) and so forth; not to mention that it discourages grouping up due to the increased difficulty of dividing the reward amongst the fleet. And then the arguement collapsed under the old saw of "remove L4s from hisec". (NB: The suggestion works best if L4s remain in hisec, consider for example how much you could make in Motsu just from tag theft, consider how many mission runners would have to evaluate the loss of their tags against the risk that the thief they shoot may return in a gank fit 'thron and blow them up... The economy is stimulated by the need to replace more ships, rather than stagnating due to a perception of paucity of money supply.
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 438	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:41:00 - [69] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards? You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because: 1. Off-grid gang-boosters 2. Neutral remote repairs 3. Orca Carebear or no carebear, if I ninja-loot you and you shoot my merlin, expect me back 30 seconds, flying ganka-hurricane, gang-boosted and perma-remote-repaired. And please go ahead and shoot the repper, please please do... now repper comes in yet another ganka-hurricane. Or better yet, a falcon, for the lulz.... or neut-domi. You have no way of winning unless you bring friends. There's no "greater rewards" when everybody stops mission running to come save your arse. It will turn high-sec into yet another blob fest where the ones with most friends win. Meaning, unless you are goon or test, you won't be able to mission run. Bad idea, bad bad bad. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4290	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:42:00 - [70] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: Karl Hobb wrote: High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards? You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because: 1. Off-grid gang-boosters 2. Neutral remote repairs 3. Orca how many ninja looters actually do all of that? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012

Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 477	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:48:00 - [71] - Quote Andski wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because: 1. Off-grid gang-boosters 2. Neutral remote repairs 3. Orca how many ninja looters actually do all of that? I know I don't. That's too much work for too little reward. That's, what, four accounts I'd need to be controlling for a pittance in loot? Might as well blitz L4s instead. Nothing Found
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 398	Posted - 2012.08.10 15:57:00 - [72] - Quote I am happy to play Eve solo with all the limitations my play-style imposes on me. Sandbox. You want fries with that?
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 439	Posted - 2012.08.10 17:35:00 - [73] - Quote Karl Hobb wrote: Andski wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because: 1. Off-grid gang-boosters 2. Neutral remote repairs 3. Orca how many ninja looters actually do all of that? I know I don't. That's too much work for too little reward. That's, what, four accounts I'd need to be controlling for a pittance in loot? Might as well blitz L4s instead. @Andsky: No serious ninja-looting gang will ninja-loot without at least 2 of those 2. So I would say, ALL? @Karl: Little reward? You think we go after the loot don't you? Nope, we go after you and your faction/officer fit. I could provide killboard links to show you exactly how often this happens, how many people do it and how much ISK you get out of it. But I suggest you just browse C&P more often. And before anybody mentions that blizting eliminates ninja-looting... lol, we ninja-loot the damsel... now what u gonna do? Come on bear.. shoot me, just once... please shoot... pleeeeeseeee "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Demolishar United Aggression 328	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:23:00 - [74] - Quote Urgg Boolean wrote: No. A better idea is to shift the in-game currency to Rings of Jordan A nice reminder that no matter how bad CCP can be, it can still get worse
Jonah Gravenstein 724	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:32:00 - [75] - Quote Demolishar wrote: Urgg Boolean wrote: No. A better idea is to shift the in-game currency to Rings of Jordan A nice reminder that no matter how bad CCP can be, it can still get worse It could be EA? War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside.
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 440	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:36:00 - [76] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: It could be EA? EA is great. In fact, I would love to fit a full rack of USAS 12's on my Talos. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Syler Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Still Censored 1	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:43:00 - [77] - Quote Remove bounties all together and switch to a drop system of initially useless crap that can be converted into usable goods. Make people work for isk not kill rat x and get x amount, tags is a very limited scope. Also use a limited version of sleeper AI on ALL rats, to make pve not crap. Remove static missions and make them randomly generated, with more interaction and less focus on quantity of rats but quality.
Patrakele Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:45:00 - [78] - Quote Also make the only place you can sell those in 0.0. Why? CAUSE FU THATS WHY
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 440	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:47:00 - [79] - Quote Patrakele wrote: Also make the only place you can sell those in 0.0. Why? CAUSE FU THATS WHY So, if you are not goon or test you can't use the market? LOL "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:48:00 - [80] - Quote Change nothing, or we care bears will vote with our wallet and leave en masse. Enjoy your lack of revenue.

Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 440	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:49:00 - [81] - Quote This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Chokichi Ozuwara Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown 429	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:52:00 - [82] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: I'd rather have bounties and LP. Having to loot every wreck for tags in order to make an income is boring as ***. Particularly since CCP has slowed down can opening, and done almost everything imaginable to make salvaging a miserable activity. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.*
Syler Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Still Censored 1	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:53:00 - [83] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious. I wasn't. Eve's general PvE needs a change badly, not to mention the never ending battle of faucets vs. sinks and the downfall of the industrial professions.
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 441	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:57:00 - [84] - Quote Syler Puuntai wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious. I wasn't. Eve's general PvE needs a change badly, not to mention the never ending battle of faucets vs. sinks and the downfall of the industrial professions. Troll... We have been having bounties for almost a decade. It's not broken. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger Can Preachers of Kador 441	Posted - 2012.08.10 19:59:00 - [85] - Quote You guys seem to forget the drone regions, back when there was no bounty. How well did that worked? "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Radius Prime Aliastra Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.08.10 20:00:00 - [86] - Quote BS Lets nerf hi-sec blabla. One step closer to completely getting rid of it right? Let's flame some carebears while we are at it as well right? Who would you hunt when everyone is a pvp player. Most of you tough guy griefers don't even like a fight you can't easily win. You wont stop nagging till you can camp Trial account spawning stations and make sure you kill Eve. Coward shark warped as soon as he saw he lost. Removing hi-sec is making null-sec hi-sec. You do get that there would be no more reason for travel anymore. Everybody will just stick to the small/large pocket of space controlled by their alliance. Solo and small gang pvp would effectively become rare to non-existant in favour of all out alliance lag wars where skill becomes meaningless. Tired of these short-sighted people.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 75	Posted - 2012.08.10 20:00:00 - [87] - Quote Syler Puuntai wrote: Shameless Avenger wrote: This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious. I wasn't. Eve's general PvE needs a change badly, not to mention the never ending battle of faucets vs. sinks and the downfall of the industrial professions. Who cares, I play this game for spaceships, not economic hardships from gouging greedy fucks. Things will stay as they are. Deal with it.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 4	Posted - 2012.08.10 20:10:00 - [88] - Quote Quote: Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags I say YES, more tags please. But not all NPC should have it, just more tags, less bounties. Quote: Combine this with rat AI revamp I say YES. Quote: removal of L4s from hisec I say NO. Also add random mission generator. Something like random dungeons in RPGs. Quote: AFK ISK miners problem Make non respawning, scannable ALL anomalies and DED complexes. That will teach them. COSMOS missions also should be more like normal missions non respawnable (in sense of NPCs).
Syler Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Still Censored 1	Posted - 2012.08.10 20:40:00 - [89] - Quote Shameless Avenger wrote: Troll... We have been having bounties for almost a decade. It's not broken. This just shows the lack of knowledge when it comes to economics. Eve tries to mimic a RL economy, however one major fault is that in Eve money isn't based on any set value nor is it in limited supply, it comes out of no where. So as time goes on and population grows, more and more money gets seeded into the market which can and will cause hyperinflation or in actuality devaluation of goods. While their are sinks in place to remove money from the game aswell as the destruction of goods which helps remove some, however even with that the faucets out weigh the sinks heavily. In short the current system doesn't scale well with population. Shameless Avenger wrote: You guys seem to forget the drone regions, back when there was no bounty. How well did that worked? Drone regions where one of the wealthiest and productive groups when it comes to being self sustainable and production ability. The failure of drone regions was that the loot system didn't necessarily complement the industrial base as a whole, it actually destroyed one aspect of it. Not only that your talking about a single area that was a completely different concept then the rest of its peers. If the entirety of the bounty system was changed then it wouldn't be as much of a problem. Other then people complaining they have to loot stuff. If people can have a lazier way to do the same thing they will choose that, if you remove that people will adapt or quit, Eve isn't about making things easy, its more a darwinist mentality. Also to counter your argument, WHs use the same loot system and has done very well since its release. Anslo wrote: Who cares, I play this game for spaceships, not economic hardships from gouging greedy ****s. Things will stay as they are. Deal with it. Very narrow sighted if you can't see how the economics and all other aspects of Eve rely heavily on each other. Ignoring one aspect can greatly effect another. If you can't see why things need a change and why CCP has been slowly shifting towards this type of system anyways to reduce faucets, then you will be in for a real surprise.
Renan Ruivo Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance 845	Posted - 2012.08.10 21:12:00 - [90] - Quote Yes to replacing bounties with tags. No to NPC tag buy orders No to removing LP payouts from FW. This would actually help with the faction module/ship market. A lot. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.



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