I'd rather have bounties and LP. Having to loot every wreck for tags in order to make an income is boring as ****.

Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s and incursions from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

No

ftfy

Ty!

I forgot about Incursions, because that Nefarious guy said CPP KILLED off all Incursion communities!!111

Yes,

it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.

Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

Have a nice weekend!

Drone regions didn't have bounties until just recently and it was still bots galore out there. How's your suggestion propose to handle all the jita station traders who make isk risk free?

Drone regions didn't have bounties until just recently and it was still bots galore out there. How's your suggestion propose to handle all the jita station traders who make isk risk free?

Yes,

it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.

Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

Have a nice weekend!

why not? Explain?

I envy your L4 billions. I really do! I wish I could have as much fun and ISK in EVE.

You are correct, the bounty removal by itself (like any other single measure) is not enough to curb botting, and it's not likely that bots can ever be removed from computer games in general. But changes to rat AI along with the requirement to haul your "proof of kills" to the markets could help a bit.

I'd also like to see more alternatives to ratting-based income making in EVE.

As what comes to trading, I've lost billions on the markets, way more than in PVE ever.

No. A better idea is to shift the in-game currency to Rings of Jordan ... Or maybe it's better to leave the game alone for a while.

Yes,

it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.

Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

Have a nice weekend!

Stop PvPing and you will.

So, you want to hammer the hell out of PVE income generation, and you just stated that trading is not the easy mode of generation ISK.

Precisely then, how do YOU make your ISK to fund your PvP activities and such.

Salvaging is about 400% more interesting than shooting rats.

People in wormholes already loot & salvage everything, and never complain- because having your income in a tangible form, exposed to hostiles actually adds interesting gameplay.

I agree with this, but leave L4s in high-sec; ninja-looting is a lot of fun and would be even more fun under this proposal.

And that's probably the best reason for leaving it as it is.

This post makes sense, you know how we are always trying to switch from wireless technologies to wired technologies with massive physical requirements?

Just the other day I was talking to my buddy Joe, and we changed his cell-phone out for a VOIP router and 1,600 ft of cable on a spool.


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The CORRECT course of action would be to remove tags all together, and make LP a market commodity.

Yes,

it's time to curbstomp AFK activities, inflation, botting and blitzing, and expose the revenue streams to PVP. Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders. Same goes to LP, no automatic, ungankable payouts anymore anywhere in New Eden.

Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

Have a nice weekend!

Please explain.

I had to reread my posts, and still can't see where I said I want to hammer the hell out of anything? I'd like to decrease the ATM-like nature of current PVE, not decrease the actual profits. About trading I only echoed Richard's statement that trading is hardly risk-free.

And since you asked, by long-term investments using capital I accumulated during my active trading period(s). I also run a wh PI setup (most of that I feed now to corp wallet to buy ice products). I used to explore a lot but mostly for entertainment, now pretty much the only PVE I do is sleeper sites, and only because I want to give my corp members fun, regular and involving means of income generation, and I use my share to fund my corp's monthly award program.

Guess that answers Anslo's petty trolling as well.

As it stands ninja salvagers get away with loot and salvage quite often virtually with no risk in most cases. The proposal you agree with means the missioner would get nothing for their trouble other than the mission reward, they might not even get that if it requires an item that the ninja salvager looted first.

High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards?

That propasal would just give you more loot and cause more grief to the other player for no more effort on your part

which is why you consider it fun.

The myriad of idiotic ideas from the low-null sec muppets aimed at destroying hi sec is amazing. Destroy hi sec and you destroy eve, take the tin foil off and get it thru your heads.

Okay we'll quit PvPing and you can go find buyers for your deadspace loot, LP store items or ores when nobody is shopping for any of those things because they're not getting blown up.

I agree with OP - remove bounties and sec gain from all sov null ratting activities and switch the reward to worthless lootable tags instead!

i guess you also agree with the OP on the whole "remove l4s and incursions from hisec" part

If we get screwed, so do you goon stooge.

It could be a very hazardous job if people had incentive to defend their loot... In wormholes, for instance, you run the risk of losing your ship and the loot.


I actually find ninja-looting fun because of the implied risk rather than for some abstract "tears" (although watching idiots rage in local is pretty funny), but it becomes more boring the more I realize no one is really ready to defend their loot. I think this change would be better overall.

If we get screwed, so do you goon stooge.

Does make sense. I approve. AFKers bug me and make FW turn into a carebear fest...

Your avatar looks like a girl I used to know.

Salvaging is about 400% more interesting than shooting rats.

People in wormholes already loot & salvage everything, and never complain- because having your income in a tangible form, exposed to hostiles actually adds interesting gameplay.

Tell us about the time you were kicked from TEST because you admitted to viewing child pornography.

Another play it my way thread or nerf the hell out of Eve

And the important part is really teamwork. Trust in your fleet/corpmates, improving as an entity are the best parts of MMOs. So why not invite someone to loot and salvage with you? Fly with buddies to lowsec to run the L4s, someone keeping guard, while a small gang pops the rats, someone salvages afterwards? Even with current mechanics, co-operation like this makes PVE fun. Couple this with vastly improved rat AI, and we have something that would promote some nice brosefing in New Eden. Why not form a larger group, and assume control of a small pocket of lowsec? Keep the baddies out while you run the missions, and suddenly content has been created for not only you, but to the baddies as well.

High-sec ninja-looting is low risk because :carebears:. Would you agree that the proposed changes give more incentive to protect your loot and possibly work with a team for greater rewards?

You are wrong sir. High Sec Ninjas is low risk because:

1. Off-grid gang-boosters
2. Neutral remote repairs
3. Orca

how many ninja looters actually do all of that?

I know I don't. That's too much work for too little reward. That's, what, four accounts I'd need to be controlling for a pittance in loot? Might as well blitz L4s instead.

No. A better idea is to shift the in-game currency to Rings of Jordan

A nice reminder that no matter how bad CCP can be, it can still get worse

It could be EA?

Also make the only place you can sell those in 0.0. Why? CAUSE FU THATS WHY

I'd rather have bounties and LP. Having to loot every wreck for tags in order to make an income is boring as ****.

This thread is just trolls... they can't be serious.

I wasn't. Eve's general PvE needs a change badly, not to mention the never ending battle of faucets vs. sinks and the downfall of the industrial professions.

I wasn't. Eve's general PvE needs a change badly, not to mention the never ending battle of faucets vs. sinks and the downfall of the industrial professions.

Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags

Combine this with rat AI revamp

removal of L4s from hisec

AFK ISK miners problem

Troll... We have been having bounties for almost a decade. It's not broken.

You guys seem to forget the drone regions, back when there was no bounty. How well did that worked?

Who cares, I play this game for spaceships, not economic hardships from gouging greedy ****s. Things will stay as they are. Deal with it.

Yes to replacing bounties with tags.
No to NPC tag buy orders
No to removing LP payouts from FW.

This would actually help with the faction module/ship market. A lot.

it depends on what you mean by helping that market. If your talking about it from a buyers standpoint then yes. Since it will flood the market with tags making items cheaper. If your a seller then no, since it will reduce profit if you collect the tags yourself.

Adding NPC buy orders would be bad, at least from some of the original reasonings for this system. Since it still injects isk into the market out of thin air. It just creates a extra burden without actually solving the underlining problem.

It depends. I'm a faction item seller, and acquiring the tags is a big part of the investment. LP is another part of that investment, and to get LP i need to kill rats. I also do the salvage, so if i got the tags from the rats that i had killed, it might lower the costs of buying the tags from the market.

So actually, i guess, i'd suggest replacing bounties with LP. Bounties generate ISK out of thin air, and LP generate itens that can be destroyed.

Yeah looting, there's a stimulating game mechanic.

That doesn't help the LP item market though as it makes LP accrue faster and thus devalues it.

Its like christmas with every rat you kill. However the discussion of loot isn't about stimulating game play, its more about curbing the trillions of isk bounties inject into the economy.

Boring people into quitting will defiantly do that.

Drone regions where one of the wealthiest and productive groups when it comes to being self sustainable and production ability.

AKA... it was carebear heaven. That's what we want? More null regions full of occators and manufacturing arrays? Where carriers are only deployed to bring BPOs from empire?

Guess who loves looting? yeah BOTS and bot writers.

If AFK'ers bother you then you have no soul.

/therad

Do you wear the hood because you are in fact a ginger?

So no one will know that I am in fact Soundwave.

Who is a ginger.

So technically, yes.

Yes,


Combine this with rat AI revamp and the removal of L4s from hisec, and EVE economy is back on track again.

Replace all NPC bounties with lootable tags, that can be sold to NPC buy orders.

You want to replace all bounties with NPC tags that need to be looted. Do you have any idea how long it takes to loot a field on a slow battleship? With one wreck 90km away, flying at 25O, that's 6 minutes just to fly to ONE wreck. And you want to keep people from going AFK?

that's such a load of bullshit.

noctis..