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Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:15:00 - [331] Edited by: Selinate on 14/12/2010 16:15:13 Originally by: Louis deGuerre Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 14/12/2010 09:52:02 Originally by: Selinate I don't understand people who like this guy. It's not about liking the guy or not. He might be a total asshat, that is not the issue. The world is filled to the brim with asshats. If we were to lock em all up we wouldn't have enough people left to guard them. There are two discrete issues : 1. Assange is obviously the victim of an international witch hunt with ludicrous justifications. 2. The organization Wikileaks is also being persecuted and many see this as an attack on the free press. The question is the guy is a ** or not is irrelevant. If we let (1) slide we should not cry when we get unjustly arrested because the government doesn't like our opinions. If we let (2) slide we should not cry that our government treats us like dolts and we don't care about freedom and free press. The US should stop crying, HTFU and improve their security. My country, which has a great reputation for freedom, still has a long history of **ing over and lying to their citizens. Even with all our free press, when someone spills their guts about government lies they are hounded by my government, sometimes for decades on end. An organization like Wikileaks where you can 'ring the church bell' anonymously is really valuable. Ok... no? Some people do like this guy and follow him like he's the next coming of Christ. That's what I was referring to. So yes, for some folk it is about liking him. Just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean "it's not about liking the guy or not" for everyone. Also, I hope he goes down for life. He's lucky he's gotten so much publicity, or else he'd be dead by now.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:20:00 - [332] By and large Assange is irrelevant, he simply is the face of an organization that is trying to better our world. And they have already exposed several serious things about the worlds politics. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:31:00 - [333] I don't care if he gets bail ... apparently he'll be under some kind of house arrest even if he does. Given the fact that he did turn himself in - he's probably less of a flight risk. What I care about is that he is eventually ... and the courts never act swiftly so eventually is all I'll ever get - that he is eventually convicted of espionage and put in prison. Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:32:00 - [334] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 14/12/2010 16:08:38 Originally by: Wendat Huron Matters little, they're just keeping an eye on him, swedish prosecutor's stalling for time till the US can come up with something to charge him with and tell Sweden to fork him over. My thoughts. Guardian: 3.36pm: Hang on. Swedish prosecutors plan to launch an appeal against the decision to grant Assange bail. They have two hours to do lodge an appeal. Assange will not be freed until that process is over. The Klingon prosecutor Orak.. ah the swedish prosecutor makes total ass of himself. With all background knowledge about the imaginary r4p3 story, the attempt to steal time looks too ridiculous. We're not very good at cloak and daggers, bare with us, we've only been official members of NATO since Wikileaks outed us. Delenda est achura.
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.14 16:48:00 - [335] Originally by: Wendat Huron we've only been official members of NATO since Wikileaks outed us. hehe,good one Originally by: Sidus Isaacs By and large Assange is irrelevant, he simply is the face of an organization that is trying to better our world. And they have already exposed several serious things about the worlds politics. Yep he is the face. People & press need faces. Even if Julian Assange would be a criminal.. we already have juridical techniques to deal with facts provided by criminals, it's called Queen's or King's Evidence. The absurdity in our case is, he is not a criminal but the witch hunters are.
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.14 17:01:00 - [336] "Mark Stephens: Swedes still refuse to turn over evidence to the British court as asked several times - they're not embarrassed, are they? ;/" Time is running up. US gov and their swedish gov clowns have no clue what to do now. They will probably construct something very funny soon. It's a trap. Where are my freedom fries ?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.14 17:03:00 - [337] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk I don't care if he gets bail ... apparently he'll be under some kind of house arrest even if he does. Given the fact that he did turn himself in - he's probably less of a flight risk. What I care about is that he is eventually ... and the courts never act swiftly so eventually is all I'll ever get - that he is eventually convicted of espionage and put in prison. So you want an innocent man in prison? 1. He is not an american citizen. 2. He never stole anything. 3. He has the right to publish what he wants. I will be happy once US realize they ****ed up big time, and when the government stop screwing over the people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.12.14 17:04:00 - [338] All hope now lies with the english dusting off their brass balls or this guy gets railroaded. Delenda est achura.

CCP Adida C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.14 17:16:00 - [339] removed a trolling comment Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online

Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.14 19:03:00 - [340] Muahhhh : Thorax nudged her back, integrity and stuff Cmon Sweden, do something :-)

Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence.	Posted - 2010.12.14 19:31:00 - [341] While this show trial becomes more absurd and Britain and Sweden looks more like a total judicial joke the man in question is still not released... Wikileaks founder Assange bailed, but release delayed ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
northwesten Amarr Sigillum Militum Xpisti R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.14 20:00:00 - [342] Originally by: Louis deGuerre While this show trial becomes more absurd and Britain and Sweden looks more like a total judicial joke the man in question is still not released... Wikileaks founder Assange bailed, but release delayed You can blame the European union for this. After seen Sweden trail with Pirate bay the government more fu&&ed up than any other I think. Go Euro Arrest warrants Though If UK wasn't part of the EU UK would of told Sweden get F3@# and bring a real case.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:41:00 - [343] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk I don't care if he gets bail ... apparently he'll be under some kind of house arrest even if he does. Given the fact that he did turn himself in - he's probably less of a flight risk. What I care about is that he is eventually ... and the courts never act swiftly so eventually is all I'll ever get - that he is eventually convicted of espionage and put in prison. So you want an innocent man in prison? 1. He is not an american citizen. 2. He never stole anything. 3. He has the right to publish what he wants. I will be happy once US realize they **ed up big time, and when the government stop screwing over the people. No - I want the guilty son of a *** that he is behind bars for life - if not hung. 1) American laws are NOT subject to the nationality of the people who have committed espionage against us. 2) He is in receipt of stolen secrets - which makes him as guilty as the person who stole them. 3) NO. He does NOT have the right to publish whatever he wants. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Strike 3 - you're out. (That is an American Base Ball Term indicating - you lose). In any case - it will not be up to you or me to decide this - it will be decided for better or worse in the courts. As to all the silly sniping going on right now about the legal process - what? You guys have never heard about lawyers, criminals and courts before? All you guys are doing is Cheering for your side like it's a Soccer Match or something ... which ... I guess is all in good fun ... but ... what the hell ... Go Sweden! Go UK! Put the bastard in prison! Yea! Yea! Yea! Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:50:00 - [344] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk 1) American laws are NOT subject to the nationality of the people who have committed espionage against us. 2) He is in receipt of stolen secrets - which makes him as guilty as the person who stole them. 3) NO. He does NOT have the right to publish whatever he wants. 1. American law does not extend into Europe 2. Wikileaks is publishing these documents as a media organisation as are several other media outlets, this is perfectly legal in Europe and happens all of the time. 3. He is within his rights under European laws to publish these leaks to the general public.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:55:00 - [345] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 14/12/2010 21:55:42 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk I don't care if he gets bail ... apparently he'll be under some kind of house arrest even if he does. Given the fact that he did turn himself in - he's probably less of a flight risk. What I care about is that he is eventually ... and the courts never act swiftly so eventually is all I'll ever get - that he is eventually convicted of espionage and put in prison. So you want an innocent man in prison? 1. He is not an american citizen. 2. He never stole anything. 3. He has the right to publish what he wants. I will be happy once US realize they **ed up big time, and when the government stop screwing over the people. No - I want the guilty son of a *** that he is behind bars for life - if not hung. 1) American laws are NOT subject to the nationality of the people who have committed espionage against us. 2) He is in receipt of stolen secrets - which makes him as guilty as the person who stole them. 3) NO. He does NOT have the right to publish whatever he wants. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Strike 3 - you're out. (That is an American Base Ball Term indicating - you lose). In any case - it will not be up to you or me to decide this - it will be decided for better or worse in the courts. As to all the silly sniping going on right now about the legal process - what? You guys have never heard about lawyers, criminals and courts before? All you guys are doing is Cheering for your side like it's a Soccer Match or something ... which ... I guess is all in good fun ... but ... what the hell ... But you then say he is guilty, and should be killed, then you proceed to say its up to the courts? And give me a break on the courts, its a joke. he is held for r ape, and yet no other r ape accused has been treated like he has. Its obvious is all political, otherwise Interpol would be filled up by now You are, I am afraid, naive about the world (or just a troll, which is a possibility). And thanks to the likes of you, the governments can keep on abusing not only you, but the rest of us as well. What Assange and wikileaks did, should have been done years ago by all media outlets. He has exposed lots of atrocities that US has committed. US has gone to war based on a blatant lie, it has actively sabotaged environment discussions that could lead to a better world for all of us. If anything, its the administration that tricked the US to go to a war that resulted in countless innocent lives lost that should be tried for treason, not the messenger exposing it. He has done nothing wrong except expose the ones who did. And if you really want to gun down a messenger, what about the one who got hold of the documents in the first place? wikileaks or Assange is under no obligation to hold these documents secret, by any law or morals. The only real moral thing to do is to expose the horror they contain. As for point 3, yes he does. What you want is censorship, not being able to say what you want. There is nothing criminal by posting "secrets", and the release of the pentagon papers and the following rumble should show that. This case is the exact same, and overreaction form old politicians who wants nothing else then continue to keep their power. The only way we can progress as a species, not as a nation, or several nation, but as a whole, is by being open and transparent in our government, combined wiht an educated and alert population. We should not accept authority as truth, but truth as authority! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2010.12.14 21:59:00 - [346] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Winning the hearts and minds... You're what's wrong with the US, not whistleblowers. Delenda est achura.
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:04:00 - [347] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Winning the hearts and minds... You're what's wrong with the US, not whistleblowers. This. How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Vogue Skynet Nexus	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:05:00 - [348] Winning hearts and minds ..................................................
Headerman Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:21:00 - [349] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Go Sweden! Go UK! Put the bastard in prison! Yea! Yea! Yea! You are the reason why people give the US a bad name. I don't hear you crowing on about how all this info was available to 3 million people in the US. 3 million people could have pulled all that info. 3 million people could have passed it off to spies or foreign governments direct and no one would know. Your signature is too large. Spitfire
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.14 22:45:00 - [350] 19-year old Dutch website hacked to "consciously unmasked" When young Iranians do it, "we" call it Green Revolution. Regarding the narrow minded views... Marianne Ny is not Sweden, Toshiro is not US etc. I'm happy to see so many people united beyond the selfishness of old national states.

Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:19:00 - [351] Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 14/12/2010 23:25:07 U.S. Air Force blocks Internet access to NYT, Guardian and 23 other sites posting WikiLeaks documents - Reuters Taliban group issues new ban on sale of music from the twitter world: RT @NaomiAKlein We have been living in a New Dark Age. #Wikileaks is turning on the lights. No wonder the rats are scurrying.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:26:00 - [352] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks U.S. Air Force blocks Internet access to NYT, Guardian and 23 other sites posting WikiLeaks documents - Reuters Taliban group issues new ban on sale of music Looks like America is well on the way to losing its right to call itself a free and fair nation.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence.	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:27:00 - [353] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks 19-year old Dutch website hacked to "consciously unmasked" Doing DDOS attacks is rather stupid. It's not what I call a peaceful protest. Furthermore, most of the idiots doing it now have their IPs logged. The fines and bills they can expect will be very steep. ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Zhula Guixgrixks Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations	Posted - 2010.12.15 00:00:00 - [354] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Doing DDOS attacks is rather stupid. It's not what I call a peaceful protest. I'm not sure. I compare it rather to a sitin in front of a building. I think it's not comparable to full scale DDOS attacks which were done previously (Estonia for ex.) Here a few thoughts on it
Ava Starfire Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr	Posted - 2010.12.15 00:16:00 - [355] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk ...showing why everyone hates the US... You're what's wrong with the US, not whistleblowers. Pretty much this. Go drink your Kool-Aid and watch FOX news.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2010.12.15 00:42:00 - [356] Let see what do we have here ... Originally by: Wendat Huron, Pan Crastus, Headerman, baltec1 More of the same. Look - as I've said - it doesn't really matter what you say or what I say. What matters is what the courts in our nations say. If I'm right - this guy is going to jail - where he belongs. If you're right - he won't. If you don't like me? I couldn't care less. But - for you to take anything I said - and attribute that to all American's - what does that say about you? Look at all the American's here who agree with you. Are you tarring them with the same brush you'd paint me? What kind of people do that? Not people from the nation you are from - they don't all do that. But YOU do. You individually have chosen to generalize your feelings about an entire nation - just because of what I said. How smart is that? I don't do that ... or ... at least I try not to ... Sometimes dealing with idiots gets the best of my better nature ... and I'll respond in kind - when it isn't really warranted. There are people in your countries that I care as little for as you care for me (such as you). But they are the minority. Most of the people in your countries - agree with me - because they don't want their secrets given away either. So - flame on - but we'll see who is right in the end. If I'm right - it's going to be a win for the Rule of Law. If you all hate the government - then you'd be surprised how many American's there are who hate their government too ... it's just that ... these people would probably hate you guys more. They hate their government but they love their country. I hope you can at least say that. If not ... I feel sorry for you. I've seen enough self hatred in this nation ... it's just stupid. But then ... 50% of humanity is below average intelligence so ... what are you gonna do? shrug You all have a real nice day now ... Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.15 01:27:00 - [357] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk Look - as I've said - it doesn't really matter what you say or what I say. What matters is what the courts in our nations say. If I'm right - this guy is going to jail - where he belongs. If you're right - he won't. If you don't like me? I couldn't care less. But - for you to take anything I said - and attribute that to all American's - what does that say about you? Look at all the American's here who agree with you. Are you tarring them with the same brush you'd paint me? What kind of people do that? Not people from the nation you are from - they don't all do that. But YOU do. You individually have chosen to generalize your feelings about an entire nation - just because of what I said. How smart is that? I don't do that ... or ... at least I try not to ... Sometimes dealing with idiots gets the best of my better nature ... and I'll respond in kind - when it isn't really warranted. There are people in your countries that I care as little for as you care for me (such as you). But they are the minority. Most of the people in your countries - agree with me - because they don't want their secrets given away either. So - flame on - but we'll see who is right in the end. If I'm right - it's going to be a win for the Rule of Law. If you all hate the government - then you'd be surprised how many American's there are who hate their government too ... it's just that ... these people would probably hate you guys more. They hate their government but they love their country. I hope you can at least say that. If not ... I feel sorry for you. I've seen enough self hatred in this nation ... it's just stupid. But then ... 50% of humanity is below average intelligence so ... what are you gonna do? shrug You all have a real nice day now ... You claim he belongs into jail and in an earlier post you wanted him dead, but you could still not tell what is crime was. **ing off the US is not a crime as far as I can tell. You cannot even accuse him of spying because he did not spy, he only made the information public which is not the same. He also did practically the same the reporters of the Washington Post did and when it became public it ended the political career of Richard Nixon and others involved. By your logic it would be treason to make it public and in one move the US government would be in the same league as Cuba or North Corea. Also what is really causing damage right now is an attitude as yours. From a german point of view I can tell you that what the cables had to say about our Chancellor Merkel and her arrogant and incompetent sidekick Westerwelle was spot on. 99% of the germans would agree without doubt on these observations and so it is reassuring that a few US diplomats had enough brains to get these facts right. Quote:** Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.15 08:44:00 - [358] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk But - for you to take anything I said - and attribute that to all American's - what does that say about you? We are not saying all Americans are like you. We are saying its people like you who give Americans a bad name.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence.	Posted - 2010.12.15 09:31:00 - [359] Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks I'm not sure. I compare it rather to a sitin in front of a building. I think it's not comparable to full scale DDOS attacks which were done previously (Estonia for ex.) Here a few thoughts on it Fixed link It's got good some good arguments, but I'm sticking with my view that its a case of Cyber-Vandalism. There are non-damaging alternatives for these attacks and there are various reasons I think this is a bad development. 1. This kind of behaviour reflects badly on their 'cause' and it will actually cause a loss of sympathy in the eyes of the public. 2. I suspect 90%+ of the participants have no idea what they're getting into and never expected their IPs to get logged. In the Netherlands you might get away with a steep fine but in other countries you might end up in jail and with a criminal record. 3. The claims are the attacks cause no real damage. This is of course nonsense. The costs of equipment and staff that is needed to fend off and recover from these assaults is very high aside from harder-to-measure losses like loss of revenue and people not being able to get needed information. 4. It might lead to much stricter internet regulations which is always bad. I can understand people wanting to be able to 'do something', but this is not smart. ----- Amicus Morte is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Tuttomenui II Gallente The Eloria Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.15 10:20:00 - [360] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk But - for you to take anything I said - and attribute that to all American's - what does that say about you? We are not saying all Americans are like you. We are saying its people like you who give Americans a bad name. Yeah he is definitely the worse we can put forward from the U.S. I think we should give Julian a medal. And Sweden should put the 2 women in prison for life, for filing false ** charges. False ** charges even if proven to be false still destroy peoples lives. Because we have people that will believe anything even when they stare proof in the face. Like the idiots that think the moon landings were faked. !ALL YOUR ROOKIES ARE BELONG TO ME!



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