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Meret'Seger
Blind Willie's blues bar and BBQ The Funky Gibbon
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Posted - 2010.12.10 08:19:00 -
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Agree. Would be nice to see some kind of response from CCP
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Raakall
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.10 08:51:00 -
[62]
i support this
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Aminam Proweco
GeoCorp. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:05:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gee****zle MacCloud on 10/12/2010 09:08:57 completely agree, it'd be reassuring if CCP showed us theyre aware of the problem, even better if they told us they are working on a solution!
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:17:00 -
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While I don't take the EN24 series of articles as gospel, I would say that it'd be nice to use it as a catalyst for CCP to give up some numbers on botters and devote way more attention. Unholy Rage really seems more like a publicity stunt than a sustained campaign.
My wife worked for NCSoft for a while and they did something similar and banned thousands of accounts during a purge. But then the botters and RMTers were back and the GM staff had already turned to other issues. And that seems to be exactly what happened with CCP. ------------------------------------------------
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Kalle Demos
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:54:00 -
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Unholy rage only focused on RMT and even then those people were temp banned, but yes there should be an open report on this.
Most botting or scripting sites have open info on how many times their bot has been bought, I sadly couldnt find info on macro mining (which is equally bad and shouldnt be ignored) but more than 6000+ ratting bots have been bought.
An additional 3000 were used for the script that reads direct from memory, or rather 3000 active accounts using that script.
Forums on these botting sites repeatedly mentioned that you would ONLY get banned if you sell your ISK for RMT, there was alot of "I got banned by selling XXX" and "Do not sell this way" but not even a single "I got banned because I was botting".
Unfortunately for the obvious reasons I cant provide links but I am sure it wouldnt take long to confirm what I have written.
The worst part is theres several major requirements for bots to work which are openly stated on these websites, some so simple as changing the UI.
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Kaya Divine
Kittens Factory
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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:59:00 -
[67]
Lets see.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:18:00 -
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There is going to be a discussion of RMT during at least one session at the December CSM Summit next week. RMT and botting are issues that are of interest to more than a few members of the CSM.
Confessions of a Noob Starship Politician The most expensive free trip to Iceland you'll ever win!
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.10 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow There is going to be a discussion of RMT during at least one session at the December CSM Summit next week. RMT and botting are issues that are of interest to more than a few members of the CSM.
Good to know. From my personal perspective I see players that use bots to gain in game advantage greater evil than bots that do RMT. No doubt somewhat harder to catch as well unfortunately. As one can buy isk anyway from CCP as well for RL money. They do destroy some markets ofc and are evil as well making some professions in EVE not worth it for real players.
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow There is going to be a discussion of RMT during at least one session at the December CSM Summit next week. RMT and botting are issues that are of interest to more than a few members of the CSM.
Good to know. From my personal perspective I see players that use bots to gain in game advantage greater evil than bots that do RMT. No doubt somewhat harder to catch as well unfortunately. As one can buy isk anyway from CCP as well for RL money. They do destroy some markets ofc and are evil as well making some professions in EVE not worth it for real players.
theyre not only causing damage to eve marketplace but also hurt CCP in the same way by generating so much isk for so little effort, that the PLEX system is coming back and biting their ass!
less bots = Less debatably illegal PLEX purchases for game time! CSM Prop 1 CSM Prop 2 |
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xo3e
The Deliberate Forces HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:21:00 -
[71]
hate rmt and bots =\ maim, kill, burn! |
AtlantisX
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:34:00 -
[72]
I was thinking of suggesting this proposal.
Supported.
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:48:00 -
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I beleive, ccp doesnt care about bots. I beleive csm does care, but they can do nothing, because ccp doesnt care.
Give me a proof, that i am wrong.
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Mashie Saldana
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:33:00 -
[74]
Supported.
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Jaari Val'Dara
Atomic Zeppelins BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:08:00 -
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I honestly don't care about RMT, as long as the ISK is earned without the help of bots. As for the bots users, I wish some serial killer would hunt them down.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow There is going to be a discussion of RMT during at least one session at the December CSM Summit next week. RMT and botting are issues that are of interest to more than a few members of the CSM.
Can you emphasise to them that although botting and RMT are related, they're not the same thing. They can't only approach the problem from a top-down demand-side perspective. Whilst GM investigation teams and such like are valuable and necessary, they can only treat symptoms, not causes.
There are changes that could be made to the game that would make it inherently harder for bots that would also improve gameplay. When EVE's PvE is fun, challenging and unpredictable, then we will see bots decrease because people will enjoy the actual process of making ISK.
Give us missions, mining and plexes that can't be done more efficiently by a macro than by a real human.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Glyken Touchon
Independent Alchemists
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:03:00 -
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Would like a regular figure (QEN?) on how many bans were handed out & how much isk was removed(total, not individually).
CCP will never tell us:- what measures they use too identify bots- it would be akin to asking your bank what burglar alarm they use..
- how many staff are involved- it would allow people to make a judgement on how likely they were to be caught
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Tommy Rainbow
Rainbow Stars
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Posted - 2010.12.10 16:16:00 -
[78]
I support this
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protohuman
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:14:00 -
[79]
supported |
Skylar Thorne
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:24:00 -
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Supported. Also there should be some discussion about RMT that occurs internally inside one corporation, alliance or coalition. That is, one (or more) members of a corp make alot of isk by bots or other means, then "help" other members by giving them isk. And real money also trades hands. But there is no isk seller web site, or isk spam that CCP may be using to track RMT down.
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riando
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:36:00 -
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support
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Tnad
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:53:00 -
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Honesty don't think ccp cares, and if they do care, then they have given up, I've reported a few groups of miners that I'm 99% sure are botters. None have been banned.
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Carus Lecti
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Posted - 2010.12.10 21:33:00 -
[83]
Support.
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Casiella Truza
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 21:35:00 -
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And the answer of "we can't talk about what we're doing for security reasons" is unacceptable to those of us with strong backgrounds in information security, particularly opsec and incident response.
Hiding behind a wall of secrecy has not fixed the problem or conjured up the stolen data tapes... wait, wrong SF universe. Still, we need actual answers and a concrete, workable plan to move forward.
I can think of no more important topic for EVE right now, even with everything else currently happening.
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Aulis Gerlander
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Posted - 2010.12.10 21:40:00 -
[85]
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Daymio
Sons of the Dragon
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Posted - 2010.12.10 21:46:00 -
[86]
Supported!
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Nephilim Xeno
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:29:00 -
[87]
supported
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Stigi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:37:00 -
[88]
I support this
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ustlaba01
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Posted - 2010.12.10 22:46:00 -
[89]
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Aijle Mijleroff
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Posted - 2010.12.10 23:40:00 -
[90]
support
I think сср almost does nothing. For a long time I in them was disappointed
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