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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.03 08:30:00 -
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The description you read about it being built in with a crystal is inaccurate, much like the strip miner text stated it had a veldspar crystal built in. The current descriptions would reflect that they do not have such crystals already included within the profile.
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.03 10:13:00 -
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Hi,
hm.. well this would not explain it fully... but at least part of it...
If thats the sole explanation, why didnt they release the mercoxit bp like all others?
And it would again be a shame as people have reported the issue way before the last patch and this would mean it wasnt fixed ;/
Well... lets hope its simply not built in andw e see the appropriate crystal on market soon, too.
Regards
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.03 10:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Mining Maxx
If thats the sole explanation, why didnt they release the mercoxit bp like all others?
It is on the market.
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.03 10:50:00 -
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Hi,
please tell where ;)
So far in two regions i have found all except the mercoxit bpos...
i only saw 1 single pre-built mercoxit crystal offered for a few mil somewhere, but not among the other BPOs...
Thanks in advance...
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Traxman
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:37:00 -
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Thanx for clearifing the numbers, i dont like the way
CCP show them, if there is a modificator, they should_
write it out as 1.625 and 1.75 and not in procent.
Now im selling my MSMs, beliving it was 2.625 and 2.75
factors of BONUS... i was bored at mining now i hate
it.. time for lvl4 missions instead gives fast isk
and lot of nice loot ;)
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Gigi Barbagrigia
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Posted - 2005.02.03 12:05:00 -
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huh?
It's an increase isn't it? Nobody said you HAVE to use them. Regardless of price you'll sooner or later get your investment back.
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.03 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Mining Maxx on 03/02/2005 12:32:01
Hi,
@Gigi
cant confirm that.
At 20mil and more you'd need ages to even get the investment back from 8 and even 16% more if you only mine low ores.
But as with the miner2 back then, these miners cost only a fraction to make and at some point people will have to give up the insane profit, then it'll be worth for sure.
Of course its different with high ore.. but if thats really useful has to be proved once someone can tell how much the volatility really affects the ore.
Wasting 50% of rare ore like crok, bistot etc. in the worst case doesnt feel comfortable to me atm ;) but of course it depends on the situation...
@Dloan:
well, please double check if you havent misunderstood the original post about the mercoxit BPO.
i checked a total of 4 regions now and there still is NONE on market. all others are available.
If you really know a place where to find one evemail me :)
Regards...
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.03 12:36:00 -
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Re: Mercoxit crystal BP
I afraid I don't know where to find it, I only know my corp has one. Seeing as we're mainly based near Caldari regions, have you tried around there?
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.03 17:13:00 -
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Hi,
yep... tried lonetrek, genesis, forge and heimatar.
could it be your corp has the tech 2 and not tech 1 bpo? or maybe someone got it as agent reward?
thanks for taking the time to investigate, btw ;)
regards...
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Phades
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Posted - 2005.02.03 20:37:00 -
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It might have been left out of the mining crystal release via the market, or obtained through another means like a LP offer. In any case, there would be the optimal use for any of the crystals when comparing the tech 1 vs tech 2 versions of the mining lasers.
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Motive
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Posted - 2005.02.04 05:54:00 -
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In looking at the numbers, the Strip Miner II with the T2 crystals looks like a good deal assuming the SMII comes down in price a little. 20mil is quite a bit too much.
Given the prices of fillable buy orders in Nonni, Plagioclase comes to 70isk per m/3. A strip miner II with a T2 crystal will mine 54 more m/3 per minute.
This yields 3780isk per minute more for plag. Rounding issues will lessen this somewhat.
This means you will pay back a 2mil crystal in 8 hours, which isnt bad.
However, the SMII itself will take 80 hours to pay back, which is a tougher sell, though not impossible.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.04 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Motive
This means you will pay back a 2mil crystal in 8 hours, which isnt bad.
Don't forget that it's likely the crystals will also have a limited lifespan so the amount of profit you get after you've done your 8 hours mining may be rather limited.
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2005.02.04 10:39:00 -
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Mercoxit Crystal I's are released through agent offers, unknown if they will release a bpo aswell
I'm no longer sure the crystals are damaged, I ran one through 10 cycles and it had zero damage (i restacked the crystal after)
what does Votaility mean?
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Motive
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Posted - 2005.02.04 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dloan
Originally by: Motive
This means you will pay back a 2mil crystal in 8 hours, which isnt bad.
Don't forget that it's likely the crystals will also have a limited lifespan so the amount of profit you get after you've done your 8 hours mining may be rather limited.
True, however any time you get after the 8 hours is more profit than you would get by not buying a crystal.
Hopefully their decay is somewhat longer, like 20 to 40 hours; though it sounds like they may not decay at all right now.
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Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.05 14:48:00 -
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Hi,
well, tbh you'll get the payback much earlier... the crystals only cost a few 1000's to make.
The problem is still the prices for the miners. right now its not quite worth to completely switch to modulated ones.
anyway.. volatility... we all suffer fromthe lack of explanations here.. but in general volatility describes if something goes "poof"... meaning vaporizes, turns to dust... all that.
So i think a good assumption is that it means if your roid has e.g. 10k of ore you might only mine 5k out of it and the other 5k turn to stardust.
btw. dont bet too much on the damage issue.. even if theres no damage atm it might only be a bug and get corrected soon... i doubt ccp introduced crystals which get damaged while using them and dont activate that feature sooner or later ;) still, the question is over what time this damage modifier comes into effect once it works.. per cycle.. per time?
Regards...
PS. Funny how the descriptions of the modulated miners finally have been corrected after so many people reported (and complained about) the allegedly preinstalled crystals not showing effect ;) about time...
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Bellac
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Posted - 2005.02.06 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dloan
Originally by: Motive
This means you will pay back a 2mil crystal in 8 hours, which isnt bad.
Don't forget that it's likely the crystals will also have a limited lifespan so the amount of profit you get after you've done your 8 hours mining may be rather limited.
And also dont forget that tech 1 crystals are nearly as good as tech 2 and cost a mere fraction of the price. I dont have the correct figures in front of me - but i have a full set of tech 1 BPO and the price to build a plag crystal is only about 30k. The mining difference between tech 1 and tech 2 crystals is only about 27m3/min. i make that somewhere in the region of 100k - 120k isk per hour more so that puts 2 mill for a crystal completely out of the ball park at 20hrs payback.
My feelings are that tech 2 crystals for common ores need to be priced somewhere in the 200k - 500k price bracket. It doesnt sound alot of money each, but the suppliers of modulated miners should do the same, then everyone in game would have some. That would be a huge ammount of profit for the manufacturers.
I think the manufacturers remember miner 2 prices and are seing isk signs in front of their eyes. These tech 2 modulated miners are not such a leap up in performance from their tech 1 counterparts, and should be priced accordingly.
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Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.06 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Motive
Hopefully their decay is somewhat longer, like 20 to 40 hours; though it sounds like they may not decay at all right now.
A corp mate is trying one out, so far the yield is dropping over time. Can't give any exact figures though. I'd assume that's the damage thing coming into play.
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2005.02.06 15:13:00 -
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well t2 over t1 is much closer to 80m^3
and prices have already drtopped, i see Plag selling for 500k, i sell pyrox at 400k
I would be worried about the yield dropping with damage thou, that sounds a little wrong
as i said i ran one through 10 cycles and saw no damage and was able to restack the item afterwards
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Tsavong Lah
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Posted - 2005.02.06 19:27:00 -
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I'm selling Crokite Mining Crystal II on Yulai market.
The price is fairly high, but id you're mining Crokite, you'll be making shedloads per hour anyway.
Please, buy my stuff 
Selling Bustards @ 70-75m and Impels @ 100m. Contact me! |
Dloan
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Y'Tuk
I would be worried about the yield dropping with damage thou, that sounds a little wrong
as i said i ran one through 10 cycles and saw no damage and was able to restack the item afterwards
He had run them for at least 2 hours, but I don't know by how much his yield had dropped.
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Bellac
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Y'Tuk
well t2 over t1 is much closer to 80m^3
and prices have already drtopped, i see Plag selling for 500k, i sell pyrox at 400k
I would be worried about the yield dropping with damage thou, that sounds a little wrong
as i said i ran one through 10 cycles and saw no damage and was able to restack the item afterwards
Ah yes your right - but thats 80m3 in 3 mins so its about 27m3 / min.
Also you have seen pyrox tech 2 crystals for 400k. If so where? I would be prepared to pay that for my first 3 crystals to give em a go 
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Haoia
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Posted - 2005.02.07 23:16:00 -
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I will have to look, I think my agent offered me a couple bpc of mining crystals, I think a mex and a plag. Cant remember since I am at work.
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HighlanderUK
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Posted - 2005.02.08 19:07:00 -
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I have seen the crystals for sale (T1), but where are the mining lasers - not found in Genesis/Placid/Domain or Essence.....??
Looking for the Modulated Strip Miner to make use of these crystals....
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Nikki Silver
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Posted - 2005.02.14 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Nikki Silver on 14/02/2005 19:40:21
I checked 11 regions and I found 1 modulated strip II for 65 million...
WTB Strip II's or Strip II BPC / BPO - for a reasonable price. Eve Mail or convo me.
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Mari Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2005.02.14 13:52:00 -
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I sell Model Strippers :P for 45mil a piece @ Tew - Zoar and Sons
If theres none on the market, i've sold out again, place a buy order for 45mil a unit and it will auto fill with the next load i place on the market
My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here. |
Nikki Silver
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Posted - 2005.02.20 22:27:00 -
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Taking into consideration the marignal gain from using a strip II, and the fact that they cost nowhere near 45 mil to make. The asking prices for strip II's are absolutely absurd. I would like a set of 3 strip II's but 45 million each? Cough sorry. I might consider 45 million for a set of 3, stress might. But 45m each? /laugh
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