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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.21 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsi Kirjasto
Of COURSE T2 BPO's are unbalancing. There are tons of items that are completely unprofitable to manufacture from BPC due to unfair competition from BPOs. Unfortunately, like most handouts, they also have a constituency.
There's nothing "unfair" here. You need a valid argument first.
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2010.12.21 17:07:00 -
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I just want to invent a gaurdian-vexor bpc just once then I will be happy
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:23:00 -
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I totally agree with the view point substantiating the previous measure to control the release of the decision for tech 2 bpo ownership and its existance ingame.
However the decision to quantify the liquidity of its parts per bpo or even per owner controlling said assets is, infact, a mistake due to the existance of hamsters running free inside op's head.
Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:51:00 -
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Hamsters? I thought he had gerbils in the head?
T2 BPOs will never give you up, never let you down....
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.21 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsi Kirjasto
Of COURSE T2 BPO's are unbalancing. There are tons of items that are completely unprofitable to manufacture from BPC due to unfair competition from BPOs. Unfortunately, like most handouts, they also have a constituency.
Everytime a person proposes to bring the system back into balance, the peanut gallery of T2 BPO Owners shouts them down, doing their level best to protect their little racket.
Got any evidence to go with your badly written post ?
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Michael Zign
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.21 21:07:00 -
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Regret investing in manufacture as unlimited BPO ruin it.
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2010.12.21 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Zign Regret investing in manufacture as unlimited BPO ruin it.
Are those TEARS I see coming from your inventor eyes?
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Nahkep Narmelion
Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
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Posted - 2010.12.22 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsi Kirjasto
Of COURSE T2 BPO's are unbalancing. There are tons of items that are completely unprofitable to manufacture from BPC due to unfair competition from BPOs. Unfortunately, like most handouts, they also have a constituency.
Everytime a person proposes to bring the system back into balance, the peanut gallery of T2 BPO Owners shouts them down, doing their level best to protect their little racket.
Really, you think that without T2 BPOs the market for these items will change so that inventing these items will become profitable? Why?
Here is my argument: the market for these items is unpopular because of a lack of demand--i.e. not many people want these items. As such, even if you were to remove T2 BPOs for these items the price would at best rise to where inventing is just barely profitable.
So, in effect you are asking for a wealth transfer for yourself not just from the T2 BPO owners, but from the consumers of these goods as well. And on top of all this you have the audacity to complain about the preferential treatment T2 BPO owners get.
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Nahkep Narmelion
Gallente CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
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Posted - 2010.12.22 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru
Originally by: Michael Zign Regret investing in manufacture as unlimited BPO ruin it.
Are those TEARS I see coming from your inventor eyes?
Yeah...who knew Alanis Morissette played Eve.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.22 07:24:00 -
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There is by the way ongoing vote in the CSM section for removal of the T2 BPO's. CSM vote.
Have fun :)
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looking great
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Posted - 2010.12.22 07:29:00 -
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I agree lets take away every t2 from the game.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.22 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: looking great I agree lets take away every t2 from the game.
Sure why not. I would not be happy if my widow turns into scorpion and golems into raven but meh, if it happens to everyone else as well I could live with it. Would just have to use carrier instead of widow to haul my pod around.
The game would be more new player friendly as well as there would not be the notable jump between T2 guns and T1 guns in fleets (as a result of T2 ammo). On the downside we would lose all ships that can warp cloaked.
Would have to find new use for moon minerals - I would suspect that this would be building meta items from BPC's that can be aquired though the invention process for meta items instead of T2.
Even if currently in game T2 items would remain it would not be a huge game breaker as every time you use your T2 item you can be blown up. Unlike T2 BPO's.
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Sigras
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Posted - 2010.12.22 11:09:00 -
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can people please stop making threads like this?
Please do not blame the game because youre bad at math. Not only do I make more with invention than anyone possibly could with a BPO but there are so many more benefits to invention.
Ill give you a freebee . . . say its 2007 and you own an EOS BPO. WOO HOO tons of isk! HUGE PROFIT MARGINS, I win at eve. Then CCP announces that the EOS is overpowered and needs a nerf, so they add in bandwidth, and remove a turret, and nerf the web to 60% and make scramblers turn off MWDs
Now, nobody wants your EOSs, no isk, terrible profit margins . . . well at least you can sell the BPO . . . but oh wait nobody wants an EOS BPO because the EOS sucks now
Now Me, Im an inventor; Im making the EOS, for little profit margins and a bit of ISK, but I can make 10 at a time . . . Then CCP nerfs the EOS (See Above) Now nobody wants my EOSs . . . Oh well, time to invent the Arazu and the Ishtar
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Hollow Confrontation
Decepticle Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.22 13:23:00 -
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Why try when you can whine.
This game is getting easier and easier, fs how easy do you want it? if your not making isk through invention then you're doing it wrong.
The T2 lottery was a gigantic mistake I won't deny that, but the mistake has been made and nothing will change that.
Just so you know, through the lottery I received 1 ship bpo, 4 ammo bpo's, and a veld crystal bpo, all sold, the isk I received for them was no where near the current value, that's not fair, I want them back or I want CCP to reimburse me the isk based on their current value.
Even though there is options available to me in game that will make me isk, I can't be bothered to do that instead I thought I would come here and cry about it and expect CCP to do something about it.
Seriously if you don't like it, just f**k off.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.12.22 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras can people please stop making threads like this?
Please do not blame the game because youre bad at math. Not only do I make more with invention than anyone possibly could with a BPO but there are so many more benefits to invention.
+1 The most profitable thing i did with my T2 bpos was sell them to the idiots willing to pay five years profit for them.
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Penker
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Posted - 2010.12.22 15:39:00 -
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Six weeks ago I got a T2 module BPO for about 7b As of today I have a total income of 1.6 billions
/&%$@ THIS LOSERS!
T2 BPOS FTW! \o/
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His Wife
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann This is definitely a new idea that will go somewhere.
Or maybe the other thing.
My alt and her corp have no issues making money through invention, I don't know what your issue is.
I agree, people cry about t2 bpo's, the point is unless you have a small army of t2 bpo's of the same module your not going to make ungodly/gooly amounts of money.
Its been proven that in _most_ situations someone inventing can make more isk than someone with a t2 bpo, due to sheer volume of the product being made and sold.
People need to build themselves a bridge and get over the t2 bpo cry factor.
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Critical Velocity
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Posted - 2010.12.22 17:09:00 -
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Hey there's an idea I haven't heard and seen rebutted a half a million times before.
YOUR PROBLEM ISN'T T2 BPO OWNERS IT IS IDIOTS WHO WANT TO BUILD BUT ARE TOO LAZY TO DO THE MATH, OR THINK MINED MINs ARE FREE
OK ONE MORE TIME
1. T2 bpos take FOREVER to build and copy. The current market out paces the t2 bpo's owners ability to produce, by FAR.
2. Most the owners have paid multiple billions for their BPO (several years worth of production) and worked very hard to get that isk, grinding the same freaking market you are. Not ****ing and moaning on the forums.
3. Inventors can find things the market needs and fill those needs they are not tied to produce 1 thing. Do the math, set your price and be patient.
Quote: The two methods are incompatible inside a free market.
Do you know what a free market is?
I am an inventor I do not own any t2 bpo's and I make several bil a month without any issues. If you think it is so freaking rosy for bpo owners then work your ass off and buy one. example of free market
Will you people now STFU
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Clowntoucher
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Posted - 2010.12.22 18:00:00 -
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T2 BPOs should have been removed the second it was revealed that devs were handing them out to friends. eve went from hyper capitalist simulation to state controlled economy that day
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Tuleingel
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Posted - 2010.12.23 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Clowntoucher T2 BPOs should have been removed the second it was revealed that devs were handing them out to friends. eve went from hyper capitalist simulation to state controlled economy that day
At that time there was no invention so this would not have turned out well. Actually when they made invention then in the development process it sounded quite like it's intended to be the BPO killer. When it was released however it was watered down and devs promised to take a look at this thing a year later, but it went like it always goes when it's 'hey it's prenerfed but we rebalance it in the future, honest' a la Black Ops and ability to use POS labs for copy cross corporation. So years pass and devs make their best effort to forget the things they have planned to take a look 'one day' and instead push out the new shinies like walking in stations. Even if they would have spent fraction of the dev time they have spent on that walking stuff on actual EVE it should have been enough to visit all the stuff they plan to take a look 'one day'.
In my opinion the BPO's should have been removed next patch after invention as then it was already clear that invention is working as intended.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.12.23 11:10:00 -
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I agree
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.12.23 15:49:00 -
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Lets remove T2 BPO for the simple fact of EPIC WHINE on forums.
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