Construction Base - It is the seed of the starbase, the starting point of its construction, there is one of it for every faction, and it will change how the other buildings will look like as they are built. it comes with some nice features.
- they are built on stations and outposts and then, carried and deployed using a industrial ship.
- Once deployed and anchored it can be assembled, making it unnanchorable and unscopable stating the starbase.
- On start have a small fuel bay and a small fuel consumption
- Provides a small amount of powergrid
- Have a smal cargohold space where Blueprints can be placed.
- Have a nice cargohold space where materials or building packs can be placed.
- Have 1 Industrial Ship Mooring Aray.

some of it's alright ... other bits are just daft (e.g. the usage of extra isotopes for some things).

I think a better idea is to to do something very similar to what you suggest with the starbase core but merge it closer with the tech 3 subsystem idea.

Think about it though, if there were just 4 sub-systems and there was 1 one each sub-system for each race to start with, thats already 256 different looks for each type of tower before you add in how the different fitting modules change the appearance.

But they will all looks like towers... not customizable starbases... alowing the links and platforms feature will give pleyers a bigger freedom!!!

Yes and that imaginined increased freedom will require a more robost system that will likely take longer to properly code and probably contain more restrictions on how things can be put together that you think it would.

Not necessarily.

"core" block --> 6 hardpoints.

"Other" blocks --> 1-6 hardpoints.

you get one (1) "core" block per POS. This has the same anchoring rules as current towers.
"Other" blocks make up the rest of the POS, include but are not limited to:
- Weapon platforms
- assembly arrays
- docking arrays
- reactors/solar panels/whatever
- shields/shield hardeners
- labs
- connector pieces (i.e. "hallways" and whatever else so you can customise the shape, or lay things out how you want)

Would kind of work out like the ED base from Earth2160 in that case...

Yes and that imaginined increased freedom will require a more robost system that will likely take longer to properly code and probably contain more restrictions on how things can be put together that you think it would.

This ider is i don't know maby a bit off topic and stupid but for the last few weeks i was thinking it would be kool is there where no stations in null and everything was all run out of POS it would add that bit more danger to null and almost force people to work together more.

As i said sorta stupid ider but i just wana throw it out there.

Now, much of this I like. A couple things worry me, though, and perhaps I'm overreacting.

First, you say that the guns and such would be accessible through WiS. I should certainly hope that this function would also be available to those of us without the supercomputers required to actually do that. As it stands, the CQ is still horribly optimised. On top of this, player movement is incredibly slow, so I also hope that the buttons/controls/whatever to use this stuff isn't too far from wherever you spawn when you enter the base or log on.

Second, skills and permissions are already a pain to remember. I realize you could probably cannibalize a lot of other skills and permissions (i.e. Anchoring, Starbase Defense Management, etc.), but a few should be added. For instance, you mention that towers with this system would be transferable between players implying an implicit ownership. If skills were added that could effect the performance of starbases based on the level that the player owner has in these skills, that would add a lot of complexity, but a lot more variation, as well. As it stands, it isn't rocket science to build a POS; all you have to do is have the anchoring skills and shove the thing out an airlock. If you had to have operations skills for certain modules on a POS, like you do for a ship, then that would add difficulty in setting it up. Of course, this couldn't be done easily, as all those wanting to set up towers would have to now train a bunch of new skills, but they could be made 1x skills, or something, where you only need the skill at level 1 to use the module in much the same manner as subsystem skills on T3s.

Also, hi Vel.

However I do still think they should be grown (built over time with resources) to give industrialists a defined, required role in 0.0 as opposed to mega rich alliances just buying the packs and building them.

If maintenance was required i.e minerals etc as well as fuel then alliances would be encouraged to occupy territory and consolidate more. Freeing up more space for new alliances whilst creating greater demand for miners and industrialists within 0.0.
Of course something would have to be done with Stations in 0.0 as they are atm (maybe enable maintenance requirements for them also), as time went on without maintenance different facilities would go offline due to "wear and tear" / atrophy to the point where they would become ruins of the "good ol days".

Li all thatd mean is null sec alliances would have a couple more things to buy on jita runs, itd be safer and easier to buy whats required for maintenance costs in highsec than sourcing them locally.

especially if its low grade materials from PI or from Mining.

I have had a idea like yours, though different in some ways

One way to update towers without a huge graphical change, is to keep the tower, but have modules physicaly connect to them at fixed hard points that when a module is placed, a extending connection exists between it and the tower.. Fitted exactly like ships, with varying number of slots, highslots being guns, low slots industry, and medium slots science related.

Yeah I think as long as the POS is modular, it should also be scalable - to gigantic proportions - 200b isk pos that starts out with a 500m isk POS and a couple modules would be a great isk sink..

I think at some point in the future, rather than making stations destructible and allowing many stations per system - stations could be removed altogether.

A more "grand" POS-only system would be far preferable to the current system that only allows 30b startup capital, sov holding, alliance holding corp owners to run a station.

The currently proposed POS changes aren't nearly as wide reaching as I'd like to see.

I think people would complain allot about outpost destruction or removal when the time comes... but I realy would like to see a POS-Only system...

So, what do you think about this "Construction blocks" concept? Do you think something is missing? or something should be removed?

well ive been playing about with a hex form of a modular POS system to see how 'interesting' you could make it.

tbh ive made this with the initial idea of a pos with a top and bottom... and approx 6-8 levels that have the option of being expanded with various modules and connection parts.

of course this is very low polygon count but the idea is the modular parts are based on a hex template. that doesnt mean it HAS to be hex shaped.. but it has to fit in some form into a hex grid, be it a single hex, or multiples.

the picture has a top layer being the top of the pos with various random details.. then under that a subcapital docking level that would hold 100 ships.
after that its various shaped mods and connectors. some allowing modules to be placed on top and below. dependant on how many expandable faces it has.

the max expandable module has 8 sides, 6 around the sides and above/below.

hope u like!

the max expandable module has 8 sides, 6 around the sides and above/below.

hope u like!

Not sure if it has a scalable module system whether the visual of the station itself would show what kind of refinery modules are installed, or factories, or perhaps just a basic showing that there IS a factory and you have to dock to see how good the factories might be.

add a mechanic to eve whereby 1 item in space can mask anothers signature.

The question is: why should we prevent single individuals to have big star-bases if they can afford to? Isn't it fair? If he can build and he can feed, he can have it!! although it would be a hard task...

I personally look forward to the day when Chribba launches The Veld-star".. :)

So in general, CCP isn't interested in specific design proposals like this. They have game designers, and those folks want to prove that they are worth the RL ISK that CCP is paying them. If you have specific wants from the new POS system, those are far more useful to CCP.

I have discussed this topic with a few others over the last few weeks and the following ideas could improve Starbases even further. A lot of this is based on many years of experience with the old Starbase System, and how frustrating it can be, other ideas are just it would be cool if they it could do that.

This is nice contribution!!!! I hope that some Devs are tracking this, because all Ideas you gave sounds awesome to me!!!!

It's just that lego and stackable components seems like a very bad idea.

A nice refreshing topic about starbases for a change.

Enjoyed your take on it, but I do have some food for thought. What about a docking bay module specifically for capital ships (i.e. Freighters) that would allow easy mooring to tower modules and transfer of goods in and out of modules without the crappy design oversight when it comes to freighters and tower modules and error messages. I noticed you did it for industrial ships here and there, just slightly worried this manifestation is focusing on sub-cap pilots only...


Thumbs up to everything else tho

Okay while reading this i came up with a interesting idea to replace the bubble around pos now. if i you build the pos in a bubble shape if you at in side the structure it will prevent lock for outside of it but it does not stop people for warping in and attacking you. Be atleast a place were you are a little bit safer.

Some ideas are also collected in the following thread

How to improve a nomadic lifestyle

I hope for Pos improvment also. But i can't read hat whole threat at this time..

Is there any officil info about in whih direction the cahnge will go and when it will be changed?

Something like a devblock or so?

aging POS mechanic acting as a barrier to full enjoyment of EVEGÇÖs best content such as wormholes and hindering the full potential of the player driven economy.

Cool stuff... but it gives me that "oh gods, this game will never be finished" wibe...

Would the jump drive capable pos be warp disruptable? Would make sense.

Would be cool if it could warp within system, too. A multi-player-controlled ship would certainly introduce new and interesting dynamics, and more reasons for supercapitals to be relevant.

The Corporation item management issue

As did with orca

It is impossible to do things globally, as everyone admins stuff in its own way. So Split It !
The management is NOT a tree anyway, it is a WEB!
Remember that a NASA janitor have acess to places that not even the president have....

And the biggest problems in the Corp management is ITEM management.
so:

REVAMP POS: it is the biggest problem for the inventory, now we have many structures with (many x allot) tabs spread among them... we should make it simple. 1 dockable structure with 1 x N tabs...

Then every Station and POS should have an local and single Corporation Hangar with no tabs. and IN THERE the corp manager could place Secured Station Container.

REVAMP CONTAINERS: Every Secured container should have a list of players that can open it. You should also be able to select grup of chars. (Lets says that you corp are split into "vets" and "noobs" so there would be a simple UI where you could sellect who goes to what group) and then in the can you could do: permission> corp> vets > yes and then permission>corp> noobs> no. And all problems are solved.

Then allow the corp CEO and who he really trust to have remote acess to the containers security UI.

And almost All problems solved.


But there is also the POS management roles!!

Easy, give the POS a Owner, a player that will keep the POS. and he can manage the pos Building UI and Fuel. He can give individual permission to others to acess the tabs. If the owner is the corp. then the CEO have the ownership of the POS.

2. I'd like to see as mentioned at fanfest the ability introduced to be able to hack offline POS's or at the very least a Offline POS have its resistances and HP halved.

I also have concerns with POS's being given jump abiltiy, for the following reasons:
You dont want POS's to be come the new fleet warfare , where by Hostile upgraded POS "A" lands next to not upgraded friendly Pos "B" and subsequently is used to attack and reinforce/destroy it, without any requirement for a fleet/ fleet fight of some type to be used to achieve the result.
If ring mining is introduced, you dont want a POS to be able to land next to a ring and have harvetors used to extrac the goo/moon minerals either.
Im not against POS's being given the jump ability, just that you dont want to put the cart before the horse and have to live with the consequenses down the track. Which in other words is like CCP saying; we will bring in this u beaut thing in and years later we are still waiting on fixes for problems, which should have been thought of first.

Im not too much of a fan of the T3 approach. Even with dozens of subsystems and modules, you still have a limited approach to visual customization. I want the ability to shape my structure into a doughnut, sphere, cube, triangle, or countless others. T3 mods are attached directly and would limit that design to a single superstructure directly connected to each other.

Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥.

The atmosphere was notably tense at the point.

A definite improvement over the current POS mechanics. Though it seems to me as if your modular POS is actually superior to outposts in nearly every way.

Just my Ideas:

Why differnent sizes?
One sice - and maybe extended by players. But has some "internal" restrictions like
- maximum power link lengths: Creating to big structures the outer modules got no power?
- limited length for processing lanes: Outer modules may only get limited cpu ower any may not operate properly (ractors/labs need more and more time to finsh...)
- the "internal" restriction may be modified by Skills and beeing a Player-, Corporation- or Alliance-Starbase.

Another really neede funny module would be the:
Long Distance Jump Bridge:

For Construction of the Starbase:
- No "slot" system! Able to free build in all 3 dimensions - so it's on you to build a beautifil starbase, place the shield generators at strategic locations and you sentries wise! ... this yould be the only way to bring Minecraft to EVE (and get all their players )
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Indeed I would be verry sad if CCP made a slot system...

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Solarsystem-Limitations:
- Only one Starbase can be at one solar system at the same time...or the sun would collapse . Maybe max two for twin star systems?
- Starbase should really have one or more RF-Phases...
- Shooting the Starbase completely down should not blast it up but leave is as wreck in Space!

The Starbase-Wreck:
- ...can be repped and than take over by any new player/corporation/allicance (depending on it's current size!)
- ...only has very limited functionality. Maybe any hangar may be hacked by any player, everyone can dock, jump clones still work but you cannot install new clones...
- ...also occupies the System so no other Starbase may enter.
- ...the Starbase cannot be jumped, disassembled, destroyed or moved outside of the system: must be repaired first! Even no other Starbase may enter this system.
- ... (a big fat) maybe: The starbase collapses when beein a wreck and no player activities for more than one month. In this case some of the stored items are dropped and spead over the solar system.

The current one is already Overpowered don't you think?

But The wreck!!!

This would be awesome if you could send DUST514 mercenaries inside a wrecked star base to recover/ fixing or end it. This would add a huge dept to the game play. And thinking about all the zones that a star base could have. An Epic Starbase could take a couple of weeks to be put online again. On a set of epic DUST514 events.!!!