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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:30:00 -
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Not to give you more headaches... :)
Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
Meta 1 Small Gatling Pulse Laser
Meta 2 Small Gatling Pulse Laser
Meta 3 Small Gatling Pulse Laser
Meta 4 Small Gatling Pulse Laser
Small Gatling Pulse Laser II
Meta Names Brainstorming using qualities of "skill" associated:
1- Afocal===== Upgraded ===== Beginner
2- Modal===== Improved ===== Intermediate
3- Anode===== Advanced ===== Advanced
4- Modulated== Expert ======== Expert
The names on the right speak a bit more to me in terms of progression (for general meta-stuff).
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Moondancer Starweaver
Red Rocket inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 20:16:00 -
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So after reading this thread it might be the wrong crowd to appeal to but as a new player fitting is one of the most confusing unintuitive things in the game, Since the tiericide of ships is eliminating the other huge barrier at least for me.
For instance i didn't know until reading this thread that meta levels were strictly better versions of weapons i had assumed they were side grades like less damage for better fitting room on cpu and power grid. The current schema from a new players perspective looked like this to me.
Limited = Less damage but less power grid cpu usage
Upgraded = More damage for more power grid and cpu usage
Experimental = More damage less stable
Prototype = More stable version of the experimental more damage
for the cases of afterburners replace damage with speed and that's how it seemed to me. So i pretty much have only bought the base versions of stuff until i could use the tech 2 version. Unless i needed or had extra power grid and cpu.
The meta system is extremely convoluted for what seems to a new player no other reason to confuse and frustrate. Anything to make the differences of modules clear would be better. Even knowing there is a hierarchy to them would be immensely appreciated i think by new players. |
Rytell Tybat
Kallocain Pharmaceuticals
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Posted - 2012.09.12 22:13:00 -
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Haven't read through the entire thread, but thought I would just add a suggestion. Your naming convention is trying to describe TOO MUCH. It's turned into an item description as opposed to a name. A name with 6 elements in it is not a name, its a sentence. Sorry, don't mean to be harsh.
So, perhaps some of the descriptive words need to be combined (or even dropped) in such a way that makes sense, is relatively interesting (SciFi), and is extremely usable. Possible option might be:
PULSE LASERS (Meta 0)
Gatling Laser S1
Repeating Laser S1
Accelerated Laser S1
Gatling Laser M1
Repeating Laser M1
Accelerated Laser M1
Gatling Laser L1
Repeating Laser L1
Accelerated Laser L1
BEAM LASERS (Meta 0)
Modulated Laser S1
Binary Laser S1
Amplified Laser S1 (Focused would be good, but to avoid confusion with existing convention probably best to avoid it)
Modulated Laser M1
Binary Laser M1
Amplified Laser M1
Modulated Laser L1
Binary Laser L1
Amplified Laser L1
All Meta levels of a single type of Pulse lasers, including Upgraded, Limited, Experimental, Prototype and Tech 2 could be as follows:
Repeating Laser S1
Repeating Laser S Upgraded
Repeating Laser S Limited
Repeating Laser S Experimental
Repeating Laser S Prototype
Repeating Laser S2
Of course the best way to determine what actually works (proper label sequence, naming conventions, etc.) is to do some user testing. Don't need a lot, but a couple rounds of legitimate user testing will go a long way to solving this. Even before you put it on the test server.
Good luck!! |
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
741
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Posted - 2012.09.13 07:43:00 -
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Whatever happened to the megawatt or megajoules naming convention? That was choice.
based on real life wattage you could easly make a clear, highly stable and expandable naming convention for this.
Small -- kilowatt -- kW
Medium -- megawatt -- MW
Large -- gigawatt -- GW
XL -- terawatt -- TW
Doomsday -- Petawat -- PW
Within these confines any extra naming nomenclature can be added.
10 kW Pulse laser
10 kW beam laser
20 megawatt quad beam laser, 200 megawat pulse laser I
200 gigawat Pulse laser II, 20 gigawat quad beam laser II
200 terawatt dual beam laser.
ETC.
Since the other firing systems have their own naming convention based on the size of their projectile I think lasers deserve their own clear numbers based system as well. This is best based on their total energy output.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.13 13:07:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Nova Fox wrote:and nobody thinks that Strobe would be a better name for rapid firing lasers ? sheesh... hahaha don't worry, plenty of time left to beat... I mean convince others of what name is best. As it stands for the winter release I am only renaming two lasers: Medium Pulse Laser -> Small Focused Pulse Laser Medium Beam laser -> Small Focused Beam Laser Along with their named versions as well of course. I am still working to see if I can come up with a naming convention that will work for everything. Until that comes though I will still be working on fixing some smaller issues like these medium lasers that are small or the faction missiles that were being stupid. :) Perhaps you could rebalance scorch whilst you're there it adds way too much range and lower the pg too? Balance is something to poke CCP Fozzie about. You can find him in many places on the forum, like the Ideas section, along with on twitter. :) He seems to ignore me very often he makes me cry 
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vonholbski
Grumble Bunnies United
0
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Posted - 2012.09.14 03:21:00 -
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Naming conventions for lasers (and possibly other mods game wide this could be applied to if most found it workable).
Lots of great ideas. Shortening, adding more length, numerical, abbreviations, gigawatts, graphical add ins.
I'd like to toss out something... that "could" relate to the lore of eve, the storyline, something unique for each meta item.
"10kW Light Pulse laser"
sounds very descriptive. add in the unique'ness: since we are talking lasers which relate to Amarr........
"10kW 'Akura" light pulse laser".
Amash-Akura was the first crowned emperor of Amarr. So, make it meta4.
"10kW 'Barius' light pulse laser"
Commodore Barius ran the 51st Exploration Corps, given the duty to first explore the Impass region by the Amarr Empire. Make it meta3.
and so on.
this would have more 'emotion' behind an item than 'prototype, scout, etc'. Could make it alphabetical in order to denote meta levels. OR, the more important person in EVE history has the higher meta level.
heck... could do the same with caldari missle launchers. but that's another story :)
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
13
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:12:00 -
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CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please  |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:25:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please
ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha
It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P
Content Designer | Team Five 0
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
13
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:30:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Harvey James wrote:CCP Foxfour perhaps you could get your OCD to get to work on adding all faction drones to the market please ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P
Arr you sneaky girl :P
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
13
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Posted - 2012.09.16 19:32:00 -
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now perhaps you could make them more useful :P |
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Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.16 20:33:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:now perhaps you could make them more useful :P
Go pester Fozzie. :P |
Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
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Posted - 2012.09.16 20:41:00 -
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Jarin Arenos wrote:Harvey James wrote:now perhaps you could make them more useful :P Go pester Fozzie. :P
it was a joke although hes doing ships and often ignores me |
whaynethepain
54
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:32:00 -
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Hey, this has been a bit of an issue for me for the last two year.
I like to use Meta 4 stuff, because it mostly fits better than T II, Meta 5, and is usually better than meta 1 stuff.
Can you bang in a M1 or M4 in the title, it would save me much reading descriptions to glance at an item meta lvl.
EG,
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I
would be,
M2 Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I .
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
would be,
M3 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I .
I think the names are brilliant, and the more complex and interesting the better, but would like to see a little order in the market place.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
170
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Posted - 2012.09.17 11:49:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha
It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P Faction POS mods in the market please.  |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.09.17 12:03:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:ha.... hahaha..... hahahahahahahahaha
It's funny because you don't realize I have already done that of winter. :P Faction POS mods in the market please.
They aren't? Well crap. Why you gotta tell me these things...
Content Designer | Team Five 0
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whaynethepain
54
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Posted - 2012.09.17 13:49:00 -
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Na, changed my mind completely, I'd like interesting names for everything, some of the names are really original and sound tough, better than what I can think of.
Oversized repeating blunderbuss chunder cannons would have a place in my hanger.
Super-coaxel smeg shielding deflector buffers would be fun.
People would just complain if things didn't match their expectations, intimated through a standardised naming structure I imagine.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
171
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Posted - 2012.09.17 14:20:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:They aren't? Well crap. Why you gotta tell me these things... I give you one hour. |
Novolle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 11:32:00 -
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I, for one, applaud this new naming scheme. It makes so much sense it almost hurts. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
504
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Posted - 2012.09.18 12:10:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:all this is well and good, but please *pretty pretty* please can you add a "did you mean" thingy like google for the old names to bring up the new modules, in the search boxes in eve.
so if i search for say, regenerative it would come up with "did you mean energized armor layering membrane" and i can find what im looking for.
Took many people many years to learn what everything is called to make the tedious task of .... well playing eve easier and faster, its even more of a challenge to rummage through all the module category's and relearn the new names.
pleeeeeeeeeeeze?
I still type photon for em wards, every, damned, time :(
lol
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Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.13 06:44:00 -
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I really like this idea, untill I looked at your picture showing new laser names... In the medium focused laser section - you have renamed them to small and that I fear will make matters more confusing :/
Only quarrel so far ^^
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Wardeneo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.13 06:45:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:all this is well and good, but please *pretty pretty* please can you add a "did you mean" thingy like google for the old names to bring up the new modules, in the search boxes in eve.
so if i search for say, regenerative it would come up with "did you mean energized armor layering membrane" and i can find what im looking for.
Took many people many years to learn what everything is called to make the tedious task of .... well playing eve easier and faster, its even more of a challenge to rummage through all the module category's and relearn the new names.
pleeeeeeeeeeeze? I still type photon for em wards, every, damned, time :( lol
Me too ^^ lol
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
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Posted - 2012.10.14 17:06:00 -
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Don't dumb it down too much! I'm no EVE savant, but from experience I can't fathom why noobs have trouble with these after a week or so of using them. Really, it just seems like people who complain about how "NOW I know but back when I was three days old I had trouble this one time" PUH-LEASE that's hardly a problem. IMO:
-The lack of a I at the end of some of the metas should be fixed, yes.
-Consistent names for the meta stuff is good, yes.
-Gatling is perfectly fine, wth is wrong with it?!? It fits the look and doesn't sound lame like "spiral."
-The current size names are interesting and require a bit of knowledge, so what? Like I already said, it shouldn't be difficult for anyone under 6 cups of coffee to figure out, and now that a glimpse of the item icon in your hangar shows an S, M, or L, it's simple to set the record straight.
Don't dumb down EVE beyond what's necessary!!! |
Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
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Posted - 2012.10.15 12:25:00 -
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Crassus Detlator wrote:I think that before going on with the namen changeing (which I think is a good thing to stadarize modules, meta levels, etc), we should stop and think again of the meta level tags. Currently, they force to memorize the order, with no particular clue or logic, so it would still force us to "show info" and look for the meta level until we know it by heart. The current meta level words, should be better if changed to:
- Experimental (Meta level 1)
- Limited (Meta level 2)
- Prototype (Meta level 3)
- Upgraded (Meta level 4)
That way, the words, in alphabetical order, reflect the proper meta level, and lead to a better and more instictive use. Also, I believe that the $size should always be the first item on the name, which would also make for sorting on the inventory and market for better and simpler distinction betweet weapons (and other modules):
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Experimental Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Limited Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Prototype Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Upgraded Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser II
A lot of people was concerned on losing some of the rich lore from eve, and considered this sort of changes to be s "dulling the game", and I cannot disagree 100% with that. To somehow keep the lore nameing, and make the modules a little more distinct, we could use the same logic for the meta levels, replacing "Gatling" for the other flavour word of choice. Something like this:
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Experimental Afocal Pulse Laser I
- Small Limited Modal Pulse Laser I
- Small Prototype Anode Pulse Laser I
- Small Upgraded Modulated Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser II
The two T1 and T2 modules distinguish themselves by having the same exact name and I and II respectively, and the other named modules, are sorted alphabetically by the Size and Meta-Level-Word. Those are my two cents. Thanks for reaching to us for feedback on something that really feels important to us players, even though it doesn't concerns game mechanics! Crassus.
Quoting for justice and substance, this man has a good point. Replacing the gatling with another pretty laser word keeps a lot of the flavor of the old names while making more sense. |
Sanadras Riahn
Molten Metalworks
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Posted - 2012.10.17 13:16:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Crassus Detlator wrote:A lot of people was concerned on losing some of the rich lore from eve, and considered this sort of changes to be s "dulling the game", and I cannot disagree 100% with that. To somehow keep the lore nameing, and make the modules a little more distinct, we could use the same logic for the meta levels, replacing "Gatling" for the other flavour word of choice. Something like this:
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Experimental Afocal Pulse Laser I
- Small Limited Modal Pulse Laser I
- Small Prototype Anode Pulse Laser I
- Small Upgraded Modulated Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser II
Quoting for justice and substance, this man has a good point. Replacing the gatling with another pretty laser word keeps a lot of the flavor of the old names while making more sense.
The only issue with that idea is that the "Gatling" portion of the weapon name in "Small Experimental Afocal Gatling Pulse Laser I" (good god, that's a mouthful) is technically the weapon "size", a la 650mm Duals or 800mm Autocannons. Those turrets have an advantage in that "bigger number means bigger gun", but is more difficult to pull off with lasers.
If you wanted to keep the flavor (which I agree with, as I love EVE Lore), you'd have to replace one of the words with the size of the weapon. My suggestion:
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Afocal Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Modal Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Anode Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Modulated Pulse Laser I
- Small Gatling Pulse Laser II
That way, you keep the idea of "Small, Medium, or Large" for ease of searching ship type, then weapon size/type, followed by Meta indicator, then Short/Long range variant.
That's my vote, anyway. Though if you wanted to get almost reminiscent of Battletech, you could just flat out rename them to:
- SGPL I
- SGPL-01
- SGPL-02
- SGPL-03
- SGPL-04
- SGPL II
a la the classic "C ER MPL"... But that's just going in an entirely different direction. You'd have projectiles looking like L800AC-04s and L1200AR-01s...
"This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
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Posted - 2012.10.18 10:28:00 -
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Name change will definitely help, mostly to new players.
Old names are kinda random and not very fitting.
However when i look at the excel tab with new names i feel kinda sad.
No more uniqness, headaches while fitting meta mods - kinda ruins the whole"exploration thing".
All in all i may not agree but i understand why are u doing this.
PS: DONT touch Target Painters!!! Best easter egg ever.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.10.18 13:11:00 -
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Professor Clio wrote:Spriral sounds weird, but other than that, more logic in naming conventions is great. I always thought that whoever came up with these names did it to confuse new players :/
New players soon enough become old players, and then they learn to value the fact that mods have unique names, instead of a bunch of generic prefixes.
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