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Garr Earthbender
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:25:00 -
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Tragedy wrote:I dont care as long as you dont name every module in the game limited experimental protocrap I'm happy.
edit: definetely keep tachyon.
Why, yes. Yes I DID like and quote this person to show my support. -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |

Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:16:00 -
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/votes CCP FoxFour for Empress of Amarr
Laser names have been wonky for AGES
"Small" armor repairer, "Small" Nosferatu, "Medium" lasers ???
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Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 05:29:00 -
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CCP FoxFour
1. Maybe, set meta-level as number directly in name (as it was with mining upgrade) 2. Maybe, not so unified? What if:
mundane laser (meta 1) imperial laser saint laser heavenly laser (meta 4)
In Matara, respectively Rusty Gun (meta 1) renovated gun new gun blue tapedun (meta 4)
it will be better for backstory reasons? Why these nations use common names? :) |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:53:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:/votes CCP FoxFour for Empress of Amarr
Laser names have been wonky for AGES
"Small" armor repairer, "Small" Nosferatu, "Medium" lasers ???
THANK YOU!
You're welcome. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:57:00 -
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Paul Clancy wrote:CCP FoxFour
1. Maybe, set meta-level as number directly in name (as it was with mining upgrade)
Not sure what you mean by this. The mining laser upgrades currently look as so: Mining Laser Upgrade I Erin Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 1) Elara Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 2) Carpo Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 3) Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 4) Mining Laser Upgrade II Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Kakk0 Warui
Tatsu No Tsurugi
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:33:00 -
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Why not look to science for laser naming conventions. Scientist just love to give things neat labels! And as I make laser sub-systems for a living...
Laser types:
Solid state, Semi-conductor, Metal vapor, Dye, Gas, and Chemical
I *think* that list is in order of power of laser, lowest to highest. fyi I work with Semi-conductor lasers. |

feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:45:00 -
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Breaking away from the naming conventions for a second, I like the way the T2 module icons are illustrated with the yellow (II) in the corner. Perhaps this could be extended for T1 module meta level, maybe a red corner with 1 to 4 denoting its meta level? This could be easily extended to all faction/officer mods with their respective green/blue corner 'tags'.
This would enable an 'at a glance' assesment of all modules in the item hangar, or allow for much quicker looting of the valuable modules from a player wreck without reading the name of every item. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |

Seetesh
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:57:00 -
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The changes are good and in keeping with previous changes. Might be a good idea at some point to recommend some form of ingame chart or information sheet that compares multiple laser types just to assit younger players. I prefer to keep with the complex nature of eve for the most part since 2003 but these changes are acceptable. |

Aurum Gallente
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:31:00 -
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Maybe you just make all guns "elven bow D-grade+3", "dark elven bow C-grade+5" ? Don't change lasers or other gun's names, it's all part of eve world that I loved when I was noob and discovered it for myself. Very very bad idea. In other case I probably find another game. I recommend use tips with meta-lvl and nothing more. |

Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:34:00 -
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Wasn't there already a thread on renaming lasers???
Modal used in different places to mean different things ('Scout' worked in a similar way between railguns and atrillery) is something I'd prefer to retain personally - although with the continued unification of all naming conventions everywhere the reasoning looks less and less sound. |
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Aurum Gallente
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:41:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Paul Clancy wrote:CCP FoxFour
1. Maybe, set meta-level as number directly in name (as it was with mining upgrade) Not sure what you mean by this. The mining laser upgrades currently look as so: Mining Laser Upgrade I Erin Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 1) Elara Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 2) Carpo Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 3) Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade (meta 4) Mining Laser Upgrade II
He means this. Word "meta" you can delete. And think about put it just in hovering tips or use another color or italic font for meta-number. Renaming lasers is bad idea. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:44:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Wasn't there already a thread on renaming lasers??? Modal used in different places to mean different things ('Scout' worked in a similar way between railguns and atrillery) is something I'd prefer to retain personally - although with the continued unification of all naming conventions everywhere the reasoning looks less and less sound. [Edit] Yep... here...[/edit]
Yes indeed. I read through every post in that thread before putting together my plan. :) The person originally going to do that back then ended up getting busy with other things, so I am picking it up now. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:45:00 -
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If you want to make meta levels clear, just add them to the name as a version number, excluding T2 and faction. So, Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I.4; Experimental 1MN Afterburner I.3
It's search-friendly, it's newbie-friendly, it's clean, and it saves you from wanting to homogenize how different manufacturers in different empires talk about different kinds of technology, or else committing obscenities like renaming Gremlin Rockets (for which you're already doomed to a heavy sentence as an accomplice in international courts, come the revolution.) Actually it's also veteran friendly: I care about that number in right-click show info attributes tab scroll down more than I care about (or remember) a lot of names in the game. Like, I've looked up that AB's meta level three times this week.
And it would streamline this: right-click show info, variations tab. OK, I want the highest meta level of this mod that doesn't cost too much. But these aren't in order of meta level, and the names don't suggest the meta level, and I don't remember what's what. So, right-click show info, attributes tab, scroll down, find the meta level, go back to the variations tab, right-click view market details, repeat. This would just become, start with meta 4, right-click view market details, right-click on meta 3 view market details, decide on one or the other, done. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
128
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:52:00 -
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Barging in a bit late into the discussion; while I'd like for module names to "make sense" I wouldn't want to lose the coolness of having different names. Having every meta turret have the same base name makes things too homogeneous, too bland&boring. Lasers should have something "lasery" in their name and projectiles should have a "weaponsmithy" nomenclature. While making everything on par and viable (balance wise) makes good sense, making everything the same does not. Same goes for the names.
Ytterblum could probably tell you all about laser types (even though he spelled it wrong :P) but have a look here for some inspiration.
p.s. I'm no fan of adding meta into the name itself, the names would get too long (or you'd have to leave out the fun part of the name and just make it boring) and it would feel too spreadsheet-like. Being able to sort the variations, market etc on meta lvl would suffice. Amat victoria curam. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
353

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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:02:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Barging in a bit late into the discussion; while I'd like for module names to "make sense" I wouldn't want to lose the coolness of having different names. Having every meta turret have the same base name makes things too homogeneous, too bland&boring. Lasers should have something "lasery" in their name and projectiles should have a "weaponsmithy" nomenclature. While making everything on par and viable (balance wise) makes good sense, making everything the same does not. Same goes for the names. Ytterblum could probably tell you all about laser types (even though he spelled it wrong :P) but have a look here for some inspiration. p.s. I'm no fan of adding meta into the name itself, the names would get too long (or you'd have to leave out the fun part of the name and just make it boring) and it would feel too spreadsheet-like. Being able to sort the variations, market etc on meta lvl would suffice.
Not late at all. Still gathering lots of information and thinking about the best way to do this. All input welcome. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
478
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:48:00 -
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Hey FoxFour - i think switching to the numeric numbering scheme is a good idea - except for tachyon.. keep tachyon in their name.. even if they're like "100GW Tachyon Enhanced Beam Lasers" If you don't see a problem in 0.0 eroding into two big super-coalitions and a few hangers on in areas nobody cares about.. then you don't have brains. |

Sovai Elaaren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:50:00 -
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I'll chime in here as I did with the previous renaming initiatives.
I agree that making things more clear is an excellent idea. However, just slapping on the same nomenclature as is used on other modules that perform a completely different function is the wrong way to go about it. This is an opportunity to keep the style in eve but make it easier at the same time, not make it more bland.
As was mentioned previously, pick a standard that makes sense for lasers, a standard for projectiles that makes sense for them, etc. The suggestion as stands will mean that for my cheap t1 frig I pick a limited gun and a limited mwd and a limited hardener, and while I'm at it, I'll pick the limited Gallente Combat Frigate, limited damage control, limited Antimatter ammo... It doesn't seem like a complex, richly detailed universe anymore, it seems like we couldn't think of any better way to standardize so we did the same thing for everything.
At the end of the day, it's a small thing and it won't significantly affect gameplay or anything, but there's an opportunity to do things in a way that accomplishes both goals of improving usability and keeping the feel of a rich and complex virtual world. |

Renier Gaden
Exanimo Inc Anger Management.
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:26:00 -
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I like GÇ£StrobeGÇ¥. It is a lighting effect that described this laser configuration clearly. GÇ£GatlingGÇ¥ reminds me of a real life autocannon. |

Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:44:00 -
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While we're on the subject of weapon naming, how about removing the word "Artillery" from some of the Autocannon names? |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:51:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:If you want to make meta levels clear, just add them to the name as a version number, excluding T2 and faction. So, Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I.4; Experimental 1MN Afterburner I.3
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EDIT: !!! - right, that AB is the old Cold Gas AB. Back when it was named Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters, I used to always know that what I wanted if I wanted a small AB was the cold-gas one. Now that it's has this 'helpful' name, I don't regard it as having a name at all, and just go straight to the meta level.
That suggestion is perfect IMHO for Meta resolution.
So, using various suggestions I've seen so far, alternate schemes :
Light Pulse Laser I Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1 Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2 Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3 Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4 Light Pulse Laser II
Clean, simple, module name is placed at end, so you can search "Light Pulse Laser" and get all meta types, if you want all T1s you can just do 'Light Pulse Laser I.', if you want T2, you just put 'II' at the end.
I think changing the anode, modal, etc is fine as long as you replace them with something better, more consistent or cooler.
If you insist on using the new conventions, then you can still wrap it in (I left flavor designators in this case)
Light Pulse Laser I Upgraded Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1 Limited Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2 Experimental Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3 Prototype Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4 Light Pulse Laser II
I find that a bit of an eyeful to really enjoy. But, I think it's pretty sexy still.
There may be a better way than just I.1, but it's a step in the right direction.
And, I agree. When you start using the "Upgraded" designators alone, it basically doesn't have a name anymore. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:55:00 -
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Having different naming schemes for the different weapon types is fine. Just don't reuse words for different levels.
So if you have prototype projectile weapons at meta 4, either don't use prototype for hybrids, or have prototype being the word for meta 4 FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:55:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:While we're on the subject of weapon naming, how about removing the word "Artillery" from some of the Autocannon names?
I approve of said point and have made a note to look into that when we get around to projectile weapons. :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:21:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:If you want to make meta levels clear, just add them to the name as a version number, excluding T2 and faction. So, Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I.4; Experimental 1MN Afterburner I.3
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EDIT: !!! - right, that AB is the old Cold Gas AB. Back when it was named Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters, I used to always know that what I wanted if I wanted a small AB was the cold-gas one. Now that it's has this 'helpful' name, I don't regard it as having a name at all, and just go straight to the meta level. That suggestion is perfect IMHO for Meta resolution. So, using various suggestions I've seen so far, alternate schemes : Light Pulse Laser I Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1 Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2 Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3 Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4 Light Pulse Laser II Clean, simple, module name is placed at end, so you can search "Light Pulse Laser" and get all meta types, if you want all T1s you can just do 'Light Pulse Laser I.', if you want T2, you just put 'II' at the end. I think changing the anode, modal, etc is fine as long as you replace them with something better, more consistent or cooler. If you insist on using the new conventions, then you can still wrap it in (I left flavor designators in this case) Light Pulse Laser I Upgraded Anode Light Pulse Laser I.1 Limited Modal Light Pulse Laser I.2 Experimental Afocal Light Pulse Laser I.3 Prototype Modulated Light Pulse Laser I.4 Light Pulse Laser II I find that a bit of an eyeful to really enjoy. But, I think it's pretty sexy still. There may be a better way than just I.1, but it's a step in the right direction. And, I agree. When you start using the "Upgraded" designators alone, it basically doesn't have a name anymore.
If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer: I.I I.II I.III I.IV
Just keeping with how we tend to do things. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
120
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:49:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote: If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer: I.I I.II I.III I.IV
Just keeping with how we tend to do things.
Decimal Roman numerals? I now think I've seen it all. 
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
360

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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:02:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: If we, and I stress the if as this is just rambling, what about I think I prefer: I.I I.II I.III I.IV
Just keeping with how we tend to do things.
Decimal Roman numerals? I now think I've seen it all. 
Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know. Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:20:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know.
Since meta level is available as a separate column I don't think we need to clutter the item name with it. Meta levels 1 to 3 are usually trash anyway and not a big concern. I'd like to see the "I" tech level indicator go away as well.
Maybe: [meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type]
So we get: Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser
The meta name provides an indication of the level of the item, we keep some storyline 'color' in the name and the final part is together to allow for searching. By using a common meta indicator with a name unique to a line of equipment you keep the best of both worlds without it becoming too long.
Light Pulse Laser I Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser Limited 'Modal' Light Pulse Laser Experimental 'Afocal' Light Pulse Laser Prototype 'Modulated' Light Pulse Laser Light Pulse Laser II
You could add in a manufacturer name in the Tech II model to add more color. The Tech I indicator could be dropped entirely as well. -á |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
360

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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:33:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Versus the previous recommendation of roman numerals mixed with numbers? i kinda figured that made more sense? I will admit I don't know the roman numeral system that well so if there is a better way to do that let me know. Since meta level is available as a separate column I don't think we need to clutter the item name with it. Meta levels 1 to 3 are usually trash anyway and not a big concern. I'd like to see the "I" tech level indicator go away as well. Maybe: [meta name] '[decorative name]' [size] [item type] So we get: Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser The meta name provides an indication of the level of the item, we keep some storyline 'color' in the name and the final part is together to allow for searching. By using a common meta indicator with a name unique to a line of equipment you keep the best of both worlds without it becoming too long. Light Pulse Laser I Upgraded 'Anode' Light Pulse Laser Limited 'Modal' Light Pulse Laser Experimental 'Afocal' Light Pulse Laser Prototype 'Modulated' Light Pulse Laser Light Pulse Laser II You could add in a manufacturer name in the Tech II model to add more color. The Tech I indicator could be dropped entirely as well.
Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
122
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:36:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.
Its tough to be as simple as possible, while being informative and also not making everything generic and bland. Good luck. -á |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
360

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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:39:00 -
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Rees Noturana wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Hmmmm thank you for that. I see where you are coming from and agree on several points. I should hopefully have an updated idea in the next couple of days.
Its tough to be as simple as possible, while being informative and also not making everything generic and bland. Good luck.
Thank you! :) Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Sudelle
NoVeL ConCEptS Inc.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:41:00 -
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Do we need the word Laser after all the weapons? The other guns don't use "hybrid turret" or "projectile turret" at the end.
So you would have a :
Upgraded 5GW Light Dual Beam I Small Anointed Smiting Pulse I Limited 'Anode' Light Dual Beam I
depending on the naming convention you go with... |
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