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Diesel47	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Diesel47 on 30/12/2010 06:18:54 Similar to how the Drake is the most OP BC.... What would the most overpowered (Or a very powerful) cruiser be? Faction/pirate cruisers are allowed. No T2 however. I was thinking the phantasm was pretty nice, and cheap for a faction ship... Thoughts?
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:20:00 - [2] for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast.
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser?
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser? Cynabal. Fast, high DPS makes it a winner.
Reaver Glitterstim	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:26:00 - [5] Moa is about the worst cruiser there is as far as I can tell. If hybrids get a small buff, and Moas get a bigger cargohold, it might be a decent ship. But as it is, it's a Thorax without a microwarp drive bonus. And Thoraxes as many of you may be aware, have such a tight fit that they're only good as a fast ganker. I tried putting autocannons on my mission thorax and it became much more powerful, but my caracal still roflstomped it.
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Aglais on 30/12/2010 06:27:43 Originally by: Headerman Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser? Cynabal. Fast, high DPS makes it a winner. Then there's the Gila, which is projected to have 100-200 more DPS than any Cynabal fit I've ever pulled together on EFT, has maybe three or four times the EHP, and can still almost move as fast if it's nano-fit (My Gila actually hits 2.5km/s; I think the best I've done with a Cynabal has been... 2.7-3km/s? Around there.)
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 07:44:00 - [7] Blackbird.
Deane Adama	Posted - 2010.12.30 07:55:00 - [8] In b4 "Tengu"
Naupilo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.30 08:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Diesel47 Similar to how the Drake is the most OP BC... yaaaaaawn Learn2Hurricane please.
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:05:00 - [10] Is this a drake nerf thread people took seriously?

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:13:00 - [11] Subjective, depends on environment: Rupture for T1. Cynabal for faction (null+low), just cannot be caught unless it wants to and packs a wallop. Vigilant for faction, low-sec scourge, BS damage in a cruiser hull is scary as hell. PS: Drake is OP per se. It gets monstrous in flocks, but I'd rather meet a Drake than a Cane when solo.
mama guru Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:26:00 - [12] Solo: Rupture or Vexor Gangs: Arbitrator or Rupture. No cruiser can cause as much pain an agony in an eve player as the arbitrator who just owned your astarte. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.12.30 11:20:00 - [13] Edited by: James Lyrus on 30/12/2010 11:25:37 Cynabal, no doubt. It's fast and agile. REALLY agile, and packs a punch. Which means it's superb in all the ways a Dramiel is - it can pick and choose it's fights, but doesn't have to much, because it can win a lot of them. Gila doesn't even come close - it's 'natural' speed is 1km/sec slower on MWD, and the Cynabal is 3.6s into warp, to the Gila's 6.2. Add to that, a 50m3 dronebay, and a rack of falloff bonussed autocannons, along with 25% rof, 50% damage bonussed autocannons (so giving you 8 effective turrets) and still having ample fitting space for ... well, pretty much whatever. Neuts, pair of LSEs... you name it. Of the T1 cruisers, much harder to say. there's some that are 'overpowered' but only in the sense that there's a lot of rubbish, and a few that are OK.
Ultim8Evil Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.30 13:22:00 - [14] The Baitmaller... purely for the tears. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Ultim8Evil The Baitmaller... purely for the tears. The arbitrator! Mini carrier for owning Dramiels is win! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
gabrial13	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:43:00 - [16] Stabber are pretty deadly , Fast and if fitted with medium autos can take most others in range
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:15:00 - [17] I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well. You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey? It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 21:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 30/12/2010 21:08:31 Originally by: Kneebone Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well. You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey? Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. So that leaves us with the arbi, ruppy, caracal, blackbird and vexor for useful pvp. Yeah thats a totally balanced t1 cruiser lineup ayup yup yup.

Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 22:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. Omen - Glass cannon GPS like a Thorax Maller - Hell of a tank/bait ship Augoror - Logisitcs Ship, feed energy Moa - Hybrid Platform with good range Celestis - EWAR ship, would be better served to have scram bonus instead of Damps. Exequror - Remote Armore Rep/Indy cargo ship Scythe - Mining/Logi Bellicose - EWAR ship, try it in a group of Torp spewing ships. For T1 cheap fleets a lot of the above ships would be useful for their roles. Some suffer because of poor mechanics, namely the Celestis, but all in all T1 cruisers across the board have a role to play. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2010.12.30 23:53:00 - [22] I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 05:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Kneebone Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. Omen - Glass cannon GPS like a Thorax Maller - Hell of a tank/bait ship Augoror - Logisitcs Ship, feed energy Moa - Hybrid Platform with good range Celestis - EWAR ship, would be better served to have scram bonus instead of Damps. Exequror - Remote Armore Rep/Indy cargo ship Scythe - Mining/Logi Bellicose - EWAR ship, try it in a group of Torp spewing ships. For T1 cheap fleets a lot of the above ships would be useful for their roles. Some suffer because of poor mechanics, namely the Celestis, but all in all T1 cruisers across the board have a role to play. Nice theory crafting you have there. Now lets add a touch of reality to your list. Omen - Dies first just like the thorax because the fc knows if its fit for dps it will instapop from the alpha and if its tanked it still pretty much instapops. Maller - Bait ship? Yeah thats a role alright. Please file this use under extreme niche and give the poor thing some hams. Augoror - Try to fit it out for cap transfer and actually run them for any usable amount of time whilst staying alive long enough to make a difference. Moa - Same as the rax. Slow as christmas so it rarely ever gets in range to apply that dps. Celestis - LOL damps.. Exequror - Same as the augoror. Useless at its logi role and a few minutes of training will get you an indy that will outperform it by several orders of magnitude. Scythe - Osprey or any turret bc kills it as a miner due to crappy fittings. Also bonus to tracking links? LOL.. Bellicose - LOL painters.. Try again.
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.12.31 06:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Captain Nares on 31/12/2010 06:25:12 Don't think that cynabal is OP, coz it is just vaga * 1.2 Sure it is the best pirate cruiser, but why is it OP? Dunno. Same thing with Rupture/Arbi/Vexor. They are better, but not OP.
Nanferr	Posted - 2010.12.31 08:27:00 - [25] maller. This is the only cruiser capable of bringing in many many tears.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.31 14:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Omen - Dies first just like the thorax because the fc knows if its fit for dps it will instapop from the alpha and if its tanked it still pretty much instapops. Maller - Bait ship? Yeah thats a role alright. Please file this use under extreme niche and give the poor thing some hams. Augoror - Try to fit it out for cap transfer and actually run them for any usable amount of time whilst staying alive long enough to make a difference. Moa - Same as the rax. Slow as christmas so it rarely ever gets in range to apply that dps. Celestis - LOL damps.. Exequror - Same as the augoror. Useless at its logi role and a few minutes of training will get you an indy that will outperform it by several orders of magnitude. Scythe - Osprey or any turret bc kills it as a miner due to crappy fittings. Also bonus to tracking links? LOL.. Bellicose - LOL painters.. Try again. No theory crafting, I fly them all on my PvE and PvP characters. Try doing a Cheap Fleet Challenge one day using all the above ships with some Ruppies and Vexors and what not mixed in. As with all things eve a good ship cannot make up for a bad pilot, but a good pilot can get the most out of his ship. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Kneebone No theory crafting, I fly them all on my PvE and PvP characters. Well nothing stopping you after all from flying anything you want regardless if its actually the right ship for the job. Originally by: Kneebone Try doing a Cheap Fleet Challenge one day using all the above ships with some Ruppies and Vexors and what not mixed in. Fleet challenge? What are you in eve uni? Originally by: Kneebone As with all things eve a good ship cannot make up for a bad pilot, but a good pilot can get the most out of his ship. And with the ships listed even a good pilot can't overcome the fact they stink, but a bad pilot might think he can.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:41:00 - [28] The Stabber is the most op cruiser - 3 mil isk - 3000 m/s with nanos - dps past 20 km - decent ehp for how fast it is - 3 mil isk
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Dorian Tormak The Stabber is the most op cruiser - 3 mil isk - 3000 m/s with nanos - dps past 20 km - decent ehp for how fast it is - 3 mil isk All of that is true but alas the anemic ranged dps puts it firmly between the good and bad t1 ship lineups.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:58:00 - [30] Quote: - laughable dps past 20 km Fixed. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...



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