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Diesel47	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:17:00 - [1] Edited by: Diesel47 on 30/12/2010 06:18:54 Similar to how the Drake is the most OP BC.... What would the most overpowered (Or a very powerful) cruiser be? Faction/pirate cruisers are allowed. No T2 however. I was thinking the phantasm was pretty nice, and cheap for a faction ship... Thoughts?
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:20:00 - [2] for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast.
Diesel47	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser?
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:24:00 - [4] Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser? Cynabal. Fast, high DPS makes it a winner.
Reaver Glitterstim	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:26:00 - [5] Moa is about the worst cruiser there is as far as I can tell. If hybrids get a small buff, and Moas get a bigger cargohold, it might be a decent ship. But as it is, it's a Thorax without a microwarp drive bonus. And Thoraxes as many of you may be aware, have such a tight fit that they're only good as a fast ganker. I tried putting autocannons on my mission thorax and it became much more powerful, but my caracal still roflstomped it.
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.30 06:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Aglais on 30/12/2010 06:27:43 Originally by: Headerman Originally by: Diesel47 Originally by: Aglais for T1 I'd say Rupture. but I'm against nerfing it. Rather, I want everything else buffed, because most of the alternatives have glaring weaknesses. Moa seems like a solid ship. Excellent tank. Decent DPS. then you notice it's slow as all ****. If it was a tad lighter, or had a higher base speed even, then maybe it wouldn't be a bad PvP cruiser. But it simply doesn't seem that fast. Yeah caldari ships are too damn slow. Shame really... How about strongest pirate/faction cruiser? Cynabal. Fast, high DPS makes it a winner. Then there's the Gila, which is projected to have 100-200 more DPS than any Cynabal fit I've ever pulled together on EFT, has maybe three or four times the EHP, and can still almost move as fast if it's nano-fit (My Gila actually hits 2.5km/s; I think the best I've done with a Cynabal has been... 2.7-3km/s? Around there.)
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 07:44:00 - [7] Blackbird.
Deane Adama	Posted - 2010.12.30 07:55:00 - [8] In b4 "Tengu"
Naupilo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.30 08:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Diesel47 Similar to how the Drake is the most OP BC... yaaaaaawn Learn2Hurricane please.
Asuka Smith Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:05:00 - [10] Is this a drake nerf thread people took seriously?

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:13:00 - [11] Subjective, depends on environment: Rupture for T1. Cynabal for faction (null+low), just cannot be caught unless it wants to and packs a wallop. Vigilant for faction, low-sec scourge, BS damage in a cruiser hull is scary as hell. PS: Drake is OP per se. It gets monstrous in flocks, but I'd rather meet a Drake than a Cane when solo.
mama guru Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.30 10:26:00 - [12] Solo: Rupture or Vexor Gangs: Arbitrator or Rupture. No cruiser can cause as much pain an agony in an eve player as the arbitrator who just owned your astarte. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.12.30 11:20:00 - [13] Edited by: James Lyrus on 30/12/2010 11:25:37 Cynabal, no doubt. It's fast and agile. REALLY agile, and packs a punch. Which means it's superb in all the ways a Dramiel is - it can pick and choose it's fights, but doesn't have to much, because it can win a lot of them. Gila doesn't even come close - it's 'natural' speed is 1km/sec slower on MWD, and the Cynabal is 3.6s into warp, to the Gila's 6.2. Add to that, a 50m3 dronebay, and a rack of falloff bonussed autocannons, along with 25% rof, 50% damage bonussed autocannons (so giving you 8 effective turrets) and still having ample fitting space for ... well, pretty much whatever. Neuts, pair of LSEs... you name it. Of the T1 cruisers, much harder to say. there's some that are 'overpowered' but only in the sense that there's a lot of rubbish, and a few that are OK.
Ultim8Evil Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.30 13:22:00 - [14] The Baitmaller... purely for the tears. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Ultim8Evil The Baitmaller... purely for the tears. The arbitrator! Mini carrier for owning Dramiels is win! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
gabrial13	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:43:00 - [16] Stabber are pretty deadly , Fast and if fitted with medium autos can take most others in range
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:15:00 - [17] I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 20:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well. You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey? It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.30 21:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Zhim''Fufu on 30/12/2010 21:08:31 Originally by: Kneebone Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Kneebone I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the cruiser lineup is probably the most balenced ship class in the game. The pirate faction versions of them are on par with T2 HAC's or just slightly better which is what you would expect. Tweak Hybrids and you are fine. As long as you are not taking the majority of the t1 lineup of cruisers along then that limb should hold up fairly well. You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey? Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. So that leaves us with the arbi, ruppy, caracal, blackbird and vexor for useful pvp. Yeah thats a totally balanced t1 cruiser lineup ayup yup yup.

Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.30 22:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. Omen - Glass cannon GPS like a Thorax Maller - Hell of a tank/bait ship Augoror - Logisitcs Ship, feed energy Moa - Hybrid Platform with good range Celestis - EWAR ship, would be better served to have scram bonus instead of Damps. Exequror - Remote Armore Rep/Indy cargo ship Scythe - Mining/Logi Bellicose - EWAR ship, try it in a group of Torp spewing ships. For T1 cheap fleets a lot of the above ships would be useful for their roles. Some suffer because of poor mechanics, namely the Celestis, but all in all T1 cruisers across the board have a role to play. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2010.12.30 23:53:00 - [22] I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 05:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Kneebone Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Ok now how about the omen, maller, augoror, moa, celestis, exequror, scythe, bellicose and to a slightly lesser extent the stabber and thorax. None of those ships are worth undocking for any reason over other ships past some very very niche stuff that isn't even in their normal roles. Omen - Glass cannon GPS like a Thorax Maller - Hell of a tank/bait ship Augoror - Logisitcs Ship, feed energy Moa - Hybrid Platform with good range Celestis - EWAR ship, would be better served to have scram bonus instead of Damps. Exequror - Remote Armore Rep/Indy cargo ship Scythe - Mining/Logi Bellicose - EWAR ship, try it in a group of Torp spewing ships. For T1 cheap fleets a lot of the above ships would be useful for their roles. Some suffer because of poor mechanics, namely the Celestis, but all in all T1 cruisers across the board have a role to play. Nice theory crafting you have there. Now lets add a touch of reality to your list. Omen - Dies first just like the thorax because the fc knows if its fit for dps it will instapop from the alpha and if its tanked it still pretty much instapops. Maller - Bait ship? Yeah thats a role alright. Please file this use under extreme niche and give the poor thing some hams. Augoror - Try to fit it out for cap transfer and actually run them for any usable amount of time whilst staying alive long enough to make a difference. Moa - Same as the rax. Slow as christmas so it rarely ever gets in range to apply that dps. Celestis - LOL damps.. Exequror - Same as the augoror. Useless at its logi role and a few minutes of training will get you an indy that will outperform it by several orders of magnitude. Scythe - Osprey or any turret bc kills it as a miner due to crappy fittings. Also bonus to tracking links? LOL.. Bellicose - LOL painters.. Try again.
Captain Nares	Posted - 2010.12.31 06:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Captain Nares on 31/12/2010 06:25:12 Don't think that cynabal is OP, coz it is just vaga * 1.2 Sure it is the best pirate cruiser, but why is it OP? Dunno. Same thing with Rupture/Arbi/Vexor. They are better, but not OP.
Nanferr	Posted - 2010.12.31 08:27:00 - [25] maller. This is the only cruiser capable of bringing in many many tears.
Kneebone Heathens' Harbor	Posted - 2010.12.31 14:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Omen - Dies first just like the thorax because the fc knows if its fit for dps it will instapop from the alpha and if its tanked it still pretty much instapops. Maller - Bait ship? Yeah thats a role alright. Please file this use under extreme niche and give the poor thing some hams. Augoror - Try to fit it out for cap transfer and actually run them for any usable amount of time whilst staying alive long enough to make a difference. Moa - Same as the rax. Slow as christmas so it rarely ever gets in range to apply that dps. Celestis - LOL damps.. Exequror - Same as the augoror. Useless at its logi role and a few minutes of training will get you an indy that will outperform it by several orders of magnitude. Scythe - Osprey or any turret bc kills it as a miner due to crappy fittings. Also bonus to tracking links? LOL.. Bellicose - LOL painters.. Try again. No theory crafting, I fly them all on my PvE and PvP characters. Try doing a Cheap Fleet Challenge one day using all the above ships with some Ruppies and Vexors and what not mixed in. As with all things eve a good ship cannot make up for a bad pilot, but a good pilot can get the most out of his ship. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:32:00 - [27] Originally by: Kneebone No theory crafting, I fly them all on my PvE and PvP characters. Well nothing stopping you after all from flying anything you want regardless if its actually the right ship for the job. Originally by: Kneebone Try doing a Cheap Fleet Challenge one day using all the above ships with some Ruppies and Vexors and what not mixed in. Fleet challenge? What are you in eve uni? Originally by: Kneebone As with all things eve a good ship cannot make up for a bad pilot, but a good pilot can get the most out of his ship. And with the ships listed even a good pilot can't overcome the fact they stink, but a bad pilot might think he can.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:41:00 - [28] The Stabber is the most op cruiser - 3 mil isk - 3000 m/s with nanos - dps past 20 km - decent ehp for how fast it is - 3 mil isk
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Dorian Tormak The Stabber is the most op cruiser - 3 mil isk - 3000 m/s with nanos - dps past 20 km - decent ehp for how fast it is - 3 mil isk All of that is true but alas the anemic ranged dps puts it firmly between the good and bad t1 ship lineups.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2010.12.31 18:58:00 - [30] Quote: - laughable dps past 20 km Fixed. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...

Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.31 19:00:00 - [31] lol you guys are idiots haha laughable dps /explodes
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.31 19:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Dorian Tormak lol you guys are idiots haha laughable dps /explodes Are you saying a stabber or even multiple stabbers can actually break the tank of something not a frigate as it kites out at 20km? haha laughable comment /explodes
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.12.31 21:27:00 - [33] Stabber is a great ship if you want to get soloed by a frigate in your cruiser. As far as ranged dps in a kiting setup goes, the bellicose does that better.
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2010.12.31 22:01:00 - [34] Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 31/12/2010 22:03:19 The stabber is faster, has more ehp, has more dps than many frigates, and has a drone as well as neuts. Compared to any frigate a stabber is a nightmare, I would way rather fight a rupture in my frig. Rupture is good... but the stabber can choose his targets, and while he may not be able to break an active myrm or something (rupture can though right?), still has got enough dps to kill a lot of targets. For what, 10 - 15 mil for the fit and ship? E - Kite belli's drones do a lot of dps, which are killable, and unless you're using missiles (no neuts = fail fit), the stabbers guns outdps the belli's guns.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2010.12.31 22:11:00 - [35] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/12/2010 22:14:36 Oh yea, that drone is gonna devastate my rifter while its orbiting you, using your cap to fuel my scrambler... Rather fight a Rupture in a frigate than a Stabber? You are trolling, right? Edit: The Bellicose also get twice the EHP compared to stabber, so even if we assume its drones are instantly destroyed (LOL), or never deployed (ROFL), it will have put more damage on target in the end before it has to leave. It also has a credible frigate defense.
Tarn Reis	Posted - 2010.12.31 23:41:00 - [36] +1 Stabber. It's not fantastic, and it's not often my first choice for cruiser PvP, but it's fast enough to choose its targets, and has range enough to screw around with people who haven't gotten the "blaster's are junk" memo and still jump into thoraxs, or poor brutix and harbinger pilots. More importantly, though, it's fun to fly.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.31 23:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Omara Otawan As far as ranged dps in a kiting setup goes, the bellicose does that better. The Bellicose is fantastic fitted with LSEs and used as a kiting AC boat and is much better at it than a Stabber, not many people realise it though.
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2011.01.01 00:00:00 - [38] For me its Scythe and Celestis. Scythe because of its (LOL) 3.5% Tracking link efficency bonus and Celestis because it looks like an ageing banana.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.01 09:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Tarn Reis harbinger pilots. If a harb can't kill a stabber at the optimal range of scorch then he must have forgotten every skill that matters past the ones that let him fit scorch.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.01 13:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. i would like to see that setup please

Zattakar	Posted - 2011.01.01 13:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Nanferr maller. This is the only cruiser capable of bringing in many many tears. Yea for the pilot of the maller
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2011.01.01 14:45:00 - [42] How has no one mentioned the Vexor yet? The 2 ogre, 2 hammer, 1 hob setup with a 1600 plate and trimarks can spit out 450~ dps (small autocannons etc) while tanking close to 40k.. It's basically a battlecruiser in cruiser form.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.01.01 15:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Pod Amarr Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. i would like to see that setup please Ask and thou shalt receive. [Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior I x2 I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Medidranda Livoga	Posted - 2011.01.01 15:54:00 - [44] Blackbird is best T1 cruiser for gangs. For solo, most of them are pretty lousy or merely adequate. Rupture probably is best generalist one (can do 1vs1 or gangs).
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.01.01 16:47:00 - [45] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Pod Amarr Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. i would like to see that setup please Ask and thou shalt receive. [Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior I x2 I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs. ... and where's the "good damage output"?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.01 17:26:00 - [46] The cynabal obviously. Its the little Mach and the Mach is OP as hell.
Kn1v3s 999 Gallente Gung-Ho Guns	Posted - 2011.01.01 17:37:00 - [47] Faction/Pirate: Cynabal T1: Rupture
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2011.01.01 19:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyo Haku Failfit Caracal Bahahahahahahahahaha. Nice troll. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.01.01 19:45:00 - [49] Originally by: James Lyrus ... and where's the "good damage output"? Gets 500+ volley damage with good skills, so it's not terrible but it's not stellar either. TBH I'd never fly this setup in a PVE setting. The only time I'd consider undocking it is as bait, and it wouldn't have T2 fittings on it. Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Originally by: Kyo Haku Failfit Caracal Bahahahahahahahahaha. Nice troll. More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.01.01 20:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Kyo Haku More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. Is there really any practical difference? But to be specific it's the booster rockets. Thats a 50 mil mod. Oh and the lack of any tackle at all so its a bait ship that can't hold what it catches so the target simply warps away when local spikes. Oh and the terrible resists so anything spewing some em and thermal will eat your tank up with a quickness and probably pop you before the gang can get to you.

Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2011.01.01 20:33:00 - [51] Quote: More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. Oh so you really are just clueless. Ok. Joke of a fit right there. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...
Skanthra Minmatar Bath and Body Works Bed Bath and Beyond	Posted - 2011.01.01 22:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Quote: More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. Oh so you really are just clueless. Ok. Joke of a fit right there. Storyline AB ftw. Quote: CCP Veritas > Prepare for Megahelldeath! 21:19:10 Combat - CCP Veritas hits you, doing 45117.1 damage.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.01.02 00:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Zhim'Fufu Originally by: Kyo Haku More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. Is there really any practical difference? But to be specific it's the booster rockets. Thats a 50 mil mod. Oh and the lack of any tackle at all so its a bait ship that can't hold what it catches so the target simply warps away when local spikes. Oh and the terrible resists so anything spewing some em and thermal will eat your tank up with a quickness and probably pop you before the gang can get to you. Really? I didn't know they were that much. I don't really care which AB is used, I just picked one. In the posted fit I was going for maximum tank possible- as I said, I wouldn't use T2 on a bait ship, and a tackle is obviously needed. EM and therm hole is very large, but as most of what my FW corp does is cruiser and below, I'm not worried about 20k worth of shields being eaten too fast- especially since fleet will be in next system most likely. I'm not saying it's a practical fit, or that it should be flown- I just thought it up for fun and think it would be interesting to try out sometime. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.01.02 10:03:00 - [54] 34.3k EHP and actually fits a fscking tackle module. If you can skip the tackle module, swap the EM-resist rig for another extender and fit a photon scattering field. You'll get the same 44k EHP figure without the gaping EM hole and without fitting a 50 million isk afterburner. [Caracal, LessFail] Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x2
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.01.02 15:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Aamrr [Caracal, LessFail] Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x2 lol
Mavnas	Posted - 2011.01.02 16:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Kneebone You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey? Sure it can. Step 1: Own the Osprey Step 2: Step 3: Profit!
Mavnas	Posted - 2011.01.02 16:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Pod Amarr Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. i would like to see that setup please Ask and thou shalt receive. [Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior I x2 I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs. You could drop the 4th extender and replace it with an invuln and gain more EHP. Also: [Moa, LolFit] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x3 That has more EHP (when you replace the purgers with extenders), and has the benefit of actually using cruiser weapons lol.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.01.02 18:36:00 - [58] Edited by: Aamrr on 02/01/2011 18:37:28 Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Aamrr <snip> lol So fit a MWD instead and swap the scram for a little more CPU. It's not like you don't have the grid for it. Smartass.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.01.02 19:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Aamrr Actual fit Thats pretty much what I use actually, cept I generally use meta instead of T2, and disruptor instead of scram. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.01.02 19:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Kyo Haku Originally by: Aamrr Actual fit Thats pretty much what I use actually, cept I generally use meta instead of T2, and disruptor instead of scram. Or that. I was trying to stay more or less true to the fit that was given. Either propulsion/point combo works.



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