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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2010.12.31 19:00:00 -
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lol you guys are idiots
haha laughable dps /explodes
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.31 19:15:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Dorian Tormak lol you guys are idiots
haha laughable dps /explodes
Are you saying a stabber or even multiple stabbers can actually break the tank of something not a frigate as it kites out at 20km?
haha laughable comment /explodes
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.31 21:27:00 -
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Stabber is a great ship if you want to get soloed by a frigate in your cruiser.
As far as ranged dps in a kiting setup goes, the bellicose does that better.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dorian Tormak on 31/12/2010 22:03:19 The stabber is faster, has more ehp, has more dps than many frigates, and has a drone as well as neuts. Compared to any frigate a stabber is a nightmare, I would way rather fight a rupture in my frig.
Rupture is good... but the stabber can choose his targets, and while he may not be able to break an active myrm or something (rupture can though right?), still has got enough dps to kill a lot of targets.
For what, 10 - 15 mil for the fit and ship?
E - Kite belli's drones do a lot of dps, which are killable, and unless you're using missiles (no neuts = fail fit), the stabbers guns outdps the belli's guns.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2010.12.31 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 31/12/2010 22:14:36
Oh yea, that drone is gonna devastate my rifter while its orbiting you, using your cap to fuel my scrambler...
Rather fight a Rupture in a frigate than a Stabber? You are trolling, right?
Edit: The Bellicose also get twice the EHP compared to stabber, so even if we assume its drones are instantly destroyed (LOL), or never deployed (ROFL), it will have put more damage on target in the end before it has to leave. It also has a credible frigate defense.
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Tarn Reis
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:41:00 -
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+1 Stabber. It's not fantastic, and it's not often my first choice for cruiser PvP, but it's fast enough to choose its targets, and has range enough to screw around with people who haven't gotten the "blaster's are junk" memo and still jump into thoraxs, or poor brutix and harbinger pilots. More importantly, though, it's fun to fly.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan As far as ranged dps in a kiting setup goes, the bellicose does that better.
The Bellicose is fantastic fitted with LSEs and used as a kiting AC boat and is much better at it than a Stabber, not many people realise it though.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2011.01.01 00:00:00 -
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For me its Scythe and Celestis.
Scythe because of its (LOL) 3.5% Tracking link efficency bonus and Celestis because it looks like an ageing banana.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.01 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tarn Reis harbinger pilots.
If a harb can't kill a stabber at the optimal range of scorch then he must have forgotten every skill that matters past the ones that let him fit scorch.
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.01 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. 
i would like to see that setup please
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Zattakar
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Posted - 2011.01.01 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nanferr maller.
This is the only cruiser capable of bringing in many many tears.
Yea for the pilot of the maller 
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Space Pinata
Amarr Discount Napkin Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.01 14:45:00 -
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How has no one mentioned the Vexor yet?
The 2 ogre, 2 hammer, 1 hob setup with a 1600 plate and trimarks can spit out 450~ dps (small autocannons etc) while tanking close to 40k..
It's basically a battlecruiser in cruiser form.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.01 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Amarr
Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. 
i would like to see that setup please
Ask and thou shalt receive.
[Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior I x2
I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert |

Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.01.01 15:54:00 -
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Blackbird is best T1 cruiser for gangs. For solo, most of them are pretty lousy or merely adequate. Rupture probably is best generalist one (can do 1vs1 or gangs).
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.01 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku
Originally by: Pod Amarr
Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. 
i would like to see that setup please
Ask and thou shalt receive.
[Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior I x2
I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs.
... and where's the "good damage output"?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:26:00 -
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The cynabal obviously. Its the little Mach and the Mach is OP as hell.
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Kn1v3s 999
Gallente Gung-Ho Guns
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:37:00 -
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Faction/Pirate: Cynabal T1: Rupture
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.01.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku Failfit Caracal
Bahahahahahahahahaha. Nice troll. _________________________________
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.01 19:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: James Lyrus
... and where's the "good damage output"?
Gets 500+ volley damage with good skills, so it's not terrible but it's not stellar either. TBH I'd never fly this setup in a PVE setting. The only time I'd consider undocking it is as bait, and it wouldn't have T2 fittings on it.
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Kyo Haku Failfit Caracal
Bahahahahahahahahaha. Nice troll.
More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert |

Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.01.01 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH.
Is there really any practical difference?
But to be specific it's the booster rockets. Thats a 50 mil mod. Oh and the lack of any tackle at all so its a bait ship that can't hold what it catches so the target simply warps away when local spikes. Oh and the terrible resists so anything spewing some em and thermal will eat your tank up with a quickness and probably pop you before the gang can get to you.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.01.01 20:33:00 -
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Quote: More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH.
Oh so you really are just clueless. Ok. Joke of a fit right there. _________________________________
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Skanthra
Minmatar Bath and Body Works Bed Bath and Beyond
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Posted - 2011.01.01 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Quote: More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH.
Oh so you really are just clueless. Ok. Joke of a fit right there.
Storyline AB ftw.
Quote:
CCP Veritas > Prepare for Megahelldeath! 21:19:10 Combat - CCP Veritas hits you, doing 45117.1 damage.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.02 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Kyo Haku More EFT warrioring than troll, TBH.
Is there really any practical difference?
But to be specific it's the booster rockets. Thats a 50 mil mod. Oh and the lack of any tackle at all so its a bait ship that can't hold what it catches so the target simply warps away when local spikes. Oh and the terrible resists so anything spewing some em and thermal will eat your tank up with a quickness and probably pop you before the gang can get to you.
Really? I didn't know they were that much. I don't really care which AB is used, I just picked one. In the posted fit I was going for maximum tank possible- as I said, I wouldn't use T2 on a bait ship, and a tackle is obviously needed. EM and therm hole is very large, but as most of what my FW corp does is cruiser and below, I'm not worried about 20k worth of shields being eaten too fast- especially since fleet will be in next system most likely. I'm not saying it's a practical fit, or that it should be flown- I just thought it up for fun and think it would be interesting to try out sometime.
-- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert |

Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.02 10:03:00 -
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34.3k EHP and actually fits a fscking tackle module. If you can skip the tackle module, swap the EM-resist rig for another extender and fit a photon scattering field. You'll get the same 44k EHP figure without the gaping EM hole and without fitting a 50 million isk afterburner.
[Caracal, LessFail]
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x2
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.01.02 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr [Caracal, LessFail]
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile
10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x2
lol
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.01.02 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone You have to look at the line up beyond who would win in a 1v1. The cruiser line up includes EWAR ships, Logi/Indy ships, and Combat ships. Would a Rupture own an OSprey? Sure would, but can it outmine the Osprey?
Sure it can.
Step 1: Own the Osprey Step 2: Step 3: Profit!
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.01.02 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku
Originally by: Pod Amarr
Originally by: Kyo Haku I'd say the Caracal. It can get the strongest pure buffer tank of any T1 cruiser (maybe faction too, haven't tried) while retaining a good damage output. 22k shield HP? Yes please. 
i would like to see that setup please
Ask and thou shalt receive.
[Caracal, Rofltank] Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Analog Booster Rockets
Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile Upgraded 'Limos' Standard Missile Bay I, Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior I x2
I wanted to see how strong a tank I could actually get on this thing. With my skills, a smidge over 22k shield HP (not EHP). An invuln brings EHP (not shield hp) up to 50k+, but it's slow as hell. Still is with an AB, but 450 m/s is better than 215. In practice I'd drop down to meta and fit a scram or disruptor- I think this would make a sturdy baitship for frigate gangs.
You could drop the 4th extender and replace it with an invuln and gain more EHP. Also:
[Moa, LolFit] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x3
That has more EHP (when you replace the purgers with extenders), and has the benefit of actually using cruiser weapons lol.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.02 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 02/01/2011 18:37:28
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: Aamrr <snip>
lol
So fit a MWD instead and swap the scram for a little more CPU. It's not like you don't have the grid for it.
Smartass.
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.02 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
Actual fit
Thats pretty much what I use actually, cept I generally use meta instead of T2, and disruptor instead of scram. -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert |

Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.01.02 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku
Originally by: Aamrr
Actual fit
Thats pretty much what I use actually, cept I generally use meta instead of T2, and disruptor instead of scram.
Or that. I was trying to stay more or less true to the fit that was given. Either propulsion/point combo works.
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