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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:17:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.
I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it.
Thanks
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:22:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP.
You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it?
Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it. Thanks PM
Because it appears that your definition is vaguely different than the communities. Btw, I couldn't help but notice that you never did say where all those evil pvp happenings actually happened. It was low sec wasn't it? You did disregard the little warning box didn't you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9086
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:28:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. No. You're confusing it with your standard single-player open-world sandbox game.
EVE is a multiplayer sandbox GÇö multiplayer being the operative word. This does not mean that you can do what you want. It means everyone can do what they want and that will include things that you do not want them to do (to you). If you want to do something, you have to ensure that other players will let you do it, because the game offers no such assurances.
Or, as Malcanis once put it: sandbox does not mean that you can excel at anything you attempt GÇö it means you can attempt anything you wish to excel at. One of the main obstacles towards that goal will be other players. This is by design.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:31:00 -
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Definately check out X3 Terran Conflict if you want a Solo PVE Spaceship sandbox. Its a great game and I usually play it whenever I burn out from EVE. They even have a very active forum and mod community.
EVE isn't for everyone, though it is possible to avoid the more nasty side of PVP 'splosions if you play smart. Sadly you can never escape direct competition with other players. Though I personally wouldn't have it any other way...
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Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:37:00 -
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this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people 
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |
Pipa Porto
764
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:38:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Please let's fix this misconception...
PvP environment: A game in which, at any time another player can affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvE environment: A game in which, at no time can another player affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvP play: Interacting with (shooting) other players for loot, advancement, and fun.
PvE play: Interacting with (shooting) NPCs for loot, advancement, and fun.
EVE is a PvP game with PvE elements.
Which is a problem.... how?
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
highonpop
Void.Tech
Fatal Ascension
210
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:40:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
Well, seeing as how being a merchant in this game IS PvP (you vs the other merchant) and mining IS PvP (you getting the ore before the other guy)
That must only leave missioning and PLEXing
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:40:00 -
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Whadafool wrote:this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people
As much as I hate that word I'm afraid you are most likely correct in this matter. I bid ado and take my leave. |
Pipa Porto
764
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:50:00 -
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highonpop wrote:That must only leave missioning and PLEXing
You're selling LP and ISK in competition with everyone else.
Remember, buying things with money is selling money to buy stuff. Selling stuff is buying money.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:33:00 -
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People wrote: stuff about my losses
So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well!
At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3 |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
655
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:48:00 -
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Anslo wrote:People wrote: stuff about my losses So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well! At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3
Inmates love qualities like that.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2372
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:50:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players.
Because it's an online multiplayer game.
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Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:52:00 -
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@ OP (not reading all pages atm) but to first question: The point is, yes, you can be blown up. But you can get revenge . And blow up other people ^_^ So, anyone who sits there and pisses you off, talks trash, they better bring it. Because players can have long memories and thus are enemies born. And sometimes friends. :) |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
600
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:52:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Forum Harlot wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE. Nerf Burger wrote:If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge. wat Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement . and yes, the pvp in EVE is pretty awful and skilless in the eyes of most competitive pvpers. You could even easily argue that WoW takes more skill than eve, seeing how you actually have to use terrain in that game and it requires more than 3 buttons.
Trying too hard, it's quite sad and to watch.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
518
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:05:00 -
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What on earth is the OP trying to do that's getting him killed so much? For the first 6 months I played EVE all I did was PVE, and I never got killed during the process... mostly mission running, hauling. Most players never seemed to think I was worth killing. Are you just flying around with plex and officer mods in your inventory?
I knew a guy once who kept wondering why his PVE ships were getting ganked when he plexed his way to sticking faction mods on all of them... that'll do it.
But, honestly, if you stay away from the major mission hubs you'll rarely even encounter a ninja salvager.
And there's no reason to worry about can flippers these days, now that we have pretty barges for mining and a noctis for salvaging.
The only non-consensual pvp encounters I've been in have been in nullsec, and they could have been easily avoided had I stayed aligned/cared. Half the time I didn't, because it's not exactly difficult to replace ships.
I honestly find that EVE has the same support for PVE that any other MMO does, if not moreso.
Granted, I've never played on a strictly-PVE server on any game.
I think this entire thread is just mislabeled. PVE is supported by the game. There are wormholes, missions, and exploration all to support the PVE-er.
What we don't have is needless rules banning PVP, because it's a sandbox. If I want to shoot someone, why shouldn't I be allowed to? That's not a "PVP environment". The main point of highsec isn't to pew pew someone when I'm sitting in Motsu or wherever people mission these days. It's just an unrestricted environment. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:32:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Anslo wrote:People wrote: stuff about my losses So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well! At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3 Inmates love qualities like that.
This unfortunate condition is sometimes referred to More Isk Than Brains Syndrome. Its worst manifestations can be seen in Jita. For example, when under a wardec, a player may undock with a Slave set and 1B in cargo.
The etiology off MIT-BS is unknown. Genetic predisposition has been shown to play a role in at least two uncontrolled studies; but environmental contamination and prion mutations have not been ruled out.
Victims most likely to succumb to the disorder range in age between 14 and 21. Interestingly enough, the second most affected demographic is 40-50, or otherwise may be in mid-life crisis.
Shunned by players for throwing away Isk, most victims reside in NP Corporations. Generally, though, this often carefree lot gains a following of fans, including: pirates, km whores, assertive PvPers and class clowns. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
60
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:01:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
If this game is to mean for you I think I found you a good replacement with plenty of "solo" PVE, have fun.
https://us.battle.net/account/creation/wow/signup/;jsessionid=6A85346B708742689F874A8FF0DD4F37.blade34_04_bnet-mgmt |
Ensign X
73
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:09:00 -
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There's more than enough solo PVE options in this game if that's what you're looking for. OTOH, you cannot avoid PVP in this game forever. Some have tried, many have failed, and none of them have enjoyed this game as much as those who actively and wholeheartedly seek out PVP at some point in their EVE careers.
Solo PVE possibilities include:
- Missions
- Mining
- Exploration
- Wormholes
- Industry
All of the above activities can be done solo, though all of them are more profitable, safer and, some would argue, more fun when done with friends or in a group. Just keep in mind, AT ALL TIMES, that any activity you do outside of a station puts you into an environment where PVP CAN, WILL and SHOULD happen at any time.
Whatever you do, don't buy into the rubbish that EVE is exclusively a PVP game. It's not. It's an MMO with aspects of PVE and PVP. PVP might drive this game, but generating ISK through PVE is as much a necessity to many people as destroying it through PVP. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:13:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Solo PVE possibilities include:
- Missions
- Mining
- Exploration
- Wormholes
- Industry
All of the above activities can be done solo GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest will put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ensign X
73
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest might put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:26:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest will put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP. No. If you want to put a GÇ£mayGÇ¥ in there, you could replace the GÇ£are likelyGÇ¥ bit, but not the part about competition because it will simply not go away.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
766
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:27:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest might put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP.
Which of those 5 allow you to do anything without competing with other players?
Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK
Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals.
Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot.
Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other
Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2278
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:30:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
That is literally the first time I have ever seen an ISD move something to General Discussion.
Of course, like every single ISD thread move I have ever seen, it didn't need to be moved.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
211
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:38:00 -
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PvP in EVE is really just Simon Says;
Simon Says: Warp to the Gate
Simon Says: Shoot dude who's name starts with a
Simon Says: Shoot dude who's name starts with b
Simon Says: Warp to station.
Simon Says: Dock |
Darth Snuggles
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:41:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
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Kharaxus
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:41:00 -
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PVE meaning; Player Versus Environment?
The environment includes PVP. There are precautions people need to learn to take in order to avoid "that part of the community".
I thoroughly enjoy ratting in space as deep into low sec space as I can get, as a result losing a lot of ships (frigates). I make enough ISK from those rats to justify the cost of replacing those ships.
When I joined a corp I was immediately informed I could make more ISK, safer, by running missions. I didn't realize that until I started lvling skills(social), and finding the better agents.
At the moment I can't recall all the minor details about the "Environment" we play in, that I learned from the corp I was in, but there is a lot more there. |
Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:46:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK
Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals.
Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot.
Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other
Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one might put you in direct competition with other players.
FYP. |
Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:52:00 -
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Why people join EvE chart:
PvP ranks a bit low, but it's all connected.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Influence_factors.jpg
-------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Pipa Porto
766
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:55:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK
Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals.
Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot.
Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other
Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players. FYP.
No.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:59:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ensign X wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK
Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals.
Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot.
Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other
Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players. FYP. No.
Yes. |
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