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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:02:00 -
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Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
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JonnyRandom
31
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:04:00 -
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Why does minesweeper have no PvP? It appears to be no place for PvP gamers. Even when asking around everyone seems to feel like it is only a pve game. It seems handicapped for people wanting to play pvp. |

J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
365
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:10:00 -
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If you want a game where you can do carebearing PvE stuff without risk, EVE is not the game you're looking for.
Anything in EVE comes with a risk. Live, learn and adapt and you might like it. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
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ISD Etetia
ISD STAR
62

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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:23:00 -
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Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion ISD Etetia Commander ISD STAR |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1472
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:25:00 -
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thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
53
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:26:00 -
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I am not sure that putting this post in here was wise inb4 all the trolls |

Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:27:00 -
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well eve is a pvp game, always has and always will be!
and soloing pve isnt hard at all, esp with an alt.
just got to ask your self though, why do you want to pve? for me its to make isk to enable pvp Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |

Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:29:00 -
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There are places in EVE where you can go literally days without seeing another player in-game. You can do whatever you want: run missions, mine, explore, whatever. All you have to do is bring up the galactic map, find out where the majority of fighting is going on, and head in the opposite direction.
Even can be as PVE or PVP as you want it to be. Yes, there is a risk that some ganker or can-flipper or loot ninja will come along and bother you, but it's easy to avoid for the most part.
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
690
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:31:00 -
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Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen. Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be. You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you. |

Remnant Madeveda
Void Mongers
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:38:00 -
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1/10 troll not even funny really.
Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone. |
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Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
24
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:41:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves
Remnant Madeveda wrote:1/10 troll not even funny really.
Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone.
Not empty quoting.
EDIT: If you want pure PvE only, Pip, recommend you try the test server, SiSi. |

Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
429
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:41:00 -
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I was there. |

Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
693
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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I am here |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:thanks isd etetia, now this thread can get the attention it truly deserves
You mean none?
I have been reviewing replies to another post I had along the same line.
Some are helpful and some are scathing.
I would have to say I now understand EVE is not in anyway a PvE game. It is entirely PvP. It may have PvE elements, and this may be why so many seem to confuse the two, but from the replies and posts I have seen, EVE is PvP.
I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
Jim Era wrote:Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen. Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be. You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you.
The game includes elements which would seem to control or limit abuse, but they are not enforced. I was laughed at when I placed a bounty on a PvP player who had just blown away my ship. I and a friend were later both blown away by another player with a higher security rating than many other players I have met, and so I could not even place a bounty on him. There are no controls.
As you say, it is a 'real' universe, and so the lowest common denominator always shows up to take it out on everyone else, but without a true layer of consequence or consistency, it simply becomes anarchy.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1222
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:43:00 -
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This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP. |

Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
i think that's an insult good sir :P Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1044
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:46:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
Wait what?!
A newbie asks a question after discovering that which goes straight to the core of what EVE is, and it gets moved out of the newbie forum where it can be noticed by other newbies?
It's a coverup!
They're trying to attract fresh fish to feed the sharks by hiding what EVE is all about!
Wait, I like fish... Nevermind
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:47:00 -
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Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.
Otherwise, I'm unclear as to the point of your post: But, I'll answer/respond to part of it.
Join a corp or don't. It is much easier and productive doing the latter.
Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.
You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk. If you don't want to offer your service via say Red Frog or such, try networking with some small PvP or PvE groups (at a discount) -- look for people with war decs and stuff. Build a rep and move up to bigger clientele.
Otherwise, there is an alliance/corp of freelancers that run ads in the recruiting section (I forget the name). I'm not sure how useful it is but you may be able to get tips there.
Read the Eve Isk Guide http://www.isktheguide.com/ and check out Sci/Indy for additional useful information.
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:47:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP.
MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9084
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:49:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? Because it's the kind of game and target audience the devs are after.
Quote:I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing? Not really, no. That would rather defeat the purpose of the game.
Quote:The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. Sure. So many other games have that segment covered, so there's no need for EVE to incorporate it especially since, again, it doesn't fit with the fundamental way the game works.
Try X-¦ if that's the gameplay you're after.
Quote:MMOs are not just for PvP Perhaps not in general, no, but this one is. That's why there are so many different games: to cater to different preferences and different markets. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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baltec1
Bat Country
1874
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:50:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
This ISD likes torture. I can only approve |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:50:00 -
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This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:51:00 -
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The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.
EVE IS PVP DEAL WITH IT is the motto essentially.
NO YOU CAN'T PLAY THAT WAY DEAL WITH IT is its translation.
I wish I could verse it better but it'd take a wall of text. Bottom line, Eve really is a mirror of the real world; people secretly enjoy screwing others over and enjoying the pain from victims. It brings out the psycho in everyone. Sure some players PvE, they want to PvE and I feel they should be left to their whims. They aren't bothering me, they aren't killing the game for me, so why should I care?
Yet we have a vocal player base so against PvE that it's almost like a pseudo form of racism. If I had to coin a term, I'd call it play-ism. They think you HAVE to play x way and can ONLY play x way. If you play y way, then you will be ridiculed and FORCED to play x way no matter what.
Honestly, you're right, there isn't support for solo PvE players and it's very sad. All the "don't play Eve if you just want PvE" to me is stupid and rude. You SHOULD be allowed to play the space game your way without some jackass interrupting your free and pleasurable time, sand box or not. Sadly, the majority of players are psychos.
My advise? Stick to highsec, stay in an NPC corp (which is NOTHING to be ashamed of, it's the smart thing to do if you just want to PvE), and keep a low profile. Do that, and you basically can do whatever the hell you want. If you wanna goto low sec and PvE eeh...different story, but there's way.
Either way, there's ways to solo PvE all day erryday, but sadly most won't support it because they don't think Eve should be played that way. Just ignore the assholes who say that and continue to play your way. You pay for this damn game, why should someone else tell YOU how to play?
EDIT: Talked about banning PVE instead of PVP ^^; |

Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:52:00 -
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Anslo wrote:The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvE is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.
if you were going to do this then everything in eve would have to be made free, which imo would make eve a lot less interesting
Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:54:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE.
No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not.
Amarra Mandalin wrote:Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency.
Why?
Amarra Mandalin wrote:You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk.
Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone.
I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players.
I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:55:00 -
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PvE is a lie. There is no support for it: 
I can make money on my non-isk (at war 24/7 toon) just by selling stuff to fellow corpies who lose their stuffz. Think out of the box.
Things to do in Eve http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 19:56:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it.
I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:00:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Amarra Mandalin wrote:Eve is an MMO, so just because PvE is not optimized for single-player doesn't take away from what it is -- it is both PvP and PvE, which also includes categories you eliminated and didn't mention. These, like exploration, incursions etc. are no less PvE. No. It is PvP with PvE elements. EVE is not both. Other MMOs provide both. EVE does not. Amarra Mandalin wrote:Mining is probably the least effective thing to do solo. You could do the market solo and manufacturing with variable efficiency. Why? Amarra Mandalin wrote:You can be a solo courier if you're smart -- it's not risk-free but can be low-risk. Found that out the hard way. One little distracted conversation with my roommate, and half a billion ISK gone. I just do not enjoy the stress of always looking over my shoulder. I play MMOs for social interaction and shared gameplay, not to compete with malicious and greedy players attacking weaker and less experienced players. I just did not know what kind of game EVE was. Now I know.
Ah, Ok. yeah, Eve probably isn't for you, then.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.
Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time!
Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE! |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1474
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:01:00 -
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how does a 'weaker and inexperienced player' get half a billion isk to fly around in an untanked t1 hauler? |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:03:00 -
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Whadafool wrote:well eve is a pvp game, always has and always will be!<- this is false, its a sandbox.
and soloing pve isnt hard at all, esp with an alt. <- then it isn't solo, but true solo pve is easy.
just got to ask your self though, why do you want to pve? for me its to make isk to enable pvp<- this is how many people are as well.
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Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
105
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:05:00 -
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Anslo. Move along to your room now, the grown ups are talking.
But yeah, EvE isn't built around Solo PvE. You either get friends, get smart, or get dead. |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
125
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:06:00 -
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ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1071
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:06:00 -
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@ OP -- you're right. EVE is not an "on rails PvE extravaganza" like a lot of other MMOs (e.g. WOW) that simply "include" PvP elements at times. It takes that "typical MMO" formula, and reverses it (i.e. sandbox that's heavy on the PvP, and has some PvE thrown in). As one of the devs put it "EvE = Everyone vs. Everyone"
IF you're playing in hisec, then you won't have too much to worry about ... just stay from super-populated areas, get to know the locals, and soon enough you'll recognise when there's something amiss.
As much as Anslo thinks removing PvP from EvE would make things better, he's not accounting for the fact that it would most likely kill whatever it is he likes to do (I still haven't figured it out ... it's either mining or mission running). PvP is absolutely necessary here, it's the only thing that keeps the markets moving ... |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:06:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question. Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time! Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE!
I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.
Thanks, though. 8) |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:06:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question. Pip, read what I said initially and don't give up. Just keep on plowing through and don't let a few elitists win by making you quit. If you don't want to PvP, don't. There's so many ways to just avoid it and do something else! Not ALWAYS, but most of the time! Stay with us mate, and enjoy EVE!
I'm trying to be helpful, but I won't offer more to someone who isn't receptive to it. I know a lot of PvE players who go unmolested including my own. But by virtue of the OPs comments, he's not really interested in this game or what it requires. |

Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:07:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote: The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
Give someone your stuff & leave.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1266
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:07:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote:ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures. Poor newbie. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
105
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:08:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote: In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.
GD isn't populated by vultures.
We're obviously wolves. |

Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:08:00 -
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They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from. |
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:09:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
I have made so much money at "Eve solo mode" that its not even funny. Read "ISK the guide" for starters. |

Pipa Porto
752
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:10:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote:I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.
Thanks, though. 8)
And, in the words of our Dear Leader*, that's fine. You really don't have to like EVE. It's not for everyone. I wish you luck in finding a game that suits you better.
Kristoffer Touborg/CCP Soundwave wrote:It isnGÇÖt really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and thereGÇÖs customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally donGÇÖt like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isnGÇÖt for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And thatGÇÖs not really that bad. http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/
*CCP Soundwave, not the other Dear Leader of EVE.
PS. Can I have your stuff? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:10:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from.
Still at it Nerf? +1 for perseverance. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:10:00 -
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Hiyora Akachi wrote:Anslo. Move along to your room now, the grown ups are talking.
But yeah, EvE isn't built around Solo PvE. You either get friends, get smart, or get dead.
EDIT: Also, weak inexperienced players move 500mil in t1 haulers? How the hell do you have 500mil in goodies if your a newbie?
Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
1071
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:11:00 -
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Pip Mayo wrote: I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.
Thanks, though. 8)
You're brand new, have just shy of 30d of gametime left.
Do this.
1. find some people to chat with (locals in your mission hub for example) 2. if they're pretty cool people, look to joining their corp 3. if the corp fits what your playstyle is, sign up 4. BS with your corpies about whatever whilst doing your thing.
now, that said ... casual corps are fun ... but they're not necessarily the best out there, in that it's sometimes hard to get help when you need it.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:12:00 -
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Amarra Mandalin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:They really should focus on the PVE, stick to what they are good at. PVP in EVE is a skilless joke that real pvpers stay away from. Still at it Nerf? +1 for perseverance.
its true though. EVE takes 0 skill, I've played long enough to realize that. I play eve for its complexity and depth. I get my pvp fix elsewhere, where my skills as a player actually matter in combat. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
1071
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:14:00 -
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Hiyora Akachi wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.
GD isn't populated by vultures. We're obviously wolves.
Depends on your preference, really... though I do like the looks of the Wolf over the Vulture. |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
105
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Anslo wrote: Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community.
EDIT: Hiyora Akachi post with your main.
But this is my main.
Also, I mission run. I just don't do stupid **** to get killed. If he wants to haul 500mil in stuff in a T1 hauler he should have scouted ahead or hidden it with containers.
He doesn't have to play anyone elses way. He just has to not be a moron when he plays.
Simple as that. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:17:00 -
[49] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This thread is horrible and you should feel bad for making it. I already apologized. But it is not horrible, it was a noobie question.
You are trying to point out certain pvp elements and then claim there is no pve. Yes you should protect yourself when performing such elements but that in no way detracts from any pve content. If you want to run missions then run missions. The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?
There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.
Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.
So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players? |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Pip Mayo wrote: I appreciate the encouragement, but I play games to relax. A "realworld" game like EVE just puts me into a "realworld" depression. Not fun.
Thanks, though. 8)
You're brand new, have just shy of 30d of gametime left. Do this. 1. find some people to chat with (locals in your mission hub for example) 2. if they're pretty cool people, look to joining their corp 3. if the corp fits what your playstyle is, sign up 4. BS with your corpies about whatever whilst doing your thing. now, that said ... casual corps are fun ... but they're not necessarily the best out there, in that it's sometimes hard to get help when you need it.
Yes. I joined a casual and very small corp. We enjoy the same things, but it is not enough. A bigger clan of wolves can always take you down.
Just a thought:
Something about this being a sandbox. Has anyone noticed this rule-of-thumb, "You either get friends, get smart, or get dead"? If you look at the real world, you are only safe if you have friends (a good country with good laws), are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
What does that say about our world community and human psyche? That when a sandbox is populated by players from what should be successful and safe environments, still end up building the same world.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
Hiyora Akachi wrote:Anslo wrote: Like I said, polarized. Why should he have to do that? If he wants to run missions all day, let him run missions. He wants to do courier? Let him courier. He shouldn't have to do anything anyone else's way. It's people like you that others (gamer and non-gamer) laugh at this community.
EDIT: Hiyora Akachi post with your main.
But this is my main. Also, I mission run. I just don't do stupid **** to get killed. If he wants to haul 500mil in stuff in a T1 hauler he should have scouted ahead or hidden it with containers. He doesn't have to play anyone elses way. He just has to not be a moron when he plays. Simple as that.
KB's say otherwise. And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.
Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID.
Also lol@ your adult's are talking comment. If this is your main (and I know you're lying out your ass), then you REALLY have no credibility to say that, child ;)
Pip Mayo wrote: Something about this being a sandbox. Has anyone noticed this rule-of-thumb, "You either get friends, get smart, or get dead"? If you look at the real world, you are only safe if you have friends (a good country with good laws), are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
What does that say about our world community and human psyche? That when a sandbox is populated by players from what should be successful and safe environments, still end up building the same world.
Like I said in my first post to you, this game is full of psychos. How do we avoid psychos in the real world? Avoid the bad parts of town lol. |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
106
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:20:00 -
[52] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Depends on your preference, really... though I do like the looks of the Wolf over the Vulture. 
I love the fact those ships actually exist. |

Just Lilly
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:21:00 -
[53] - Quote
The test server is great for PvE stuff, no1 will hear you scream there and you will be left very much alone and do whatever your heart desire.
And everything costs 100 isk, so all you need to do to fly that dream pimp ship of yours, is to shoot random rat in highsec, collect the bounty and you're all set.
And other players are not allowed to shoot at you, not even in low, null or wspace. Unless you enter the specific pvp system dedicated for pvp.
Other then that, no pvp allowed.
Great way to test different fits and push the limits of what you can handle. If your ship explode, you just buy another and go at it again. May 15 2012 |

Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:23:00 -
[54] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:
are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
when did this thread get racist XD
Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:26:00 -
[55] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?
There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.
Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.
So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players?
That's not PvE. That's PvP.
By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates.
I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?
There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.
Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.
So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players? That's not PvE. That's PvP. By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates. I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.
You just need to learn them my man. Eve is harsh, no questions there, absolutely. But it isn't without help. Send me a message via eve-mail in game. I'll be online in a bit and I can help you out to the best of my ability. |

Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
693
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
Forum PvP in this thread |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:29:00 -
[58] - Quote
Whadafool wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:
are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
when did this thread get racist XD
How's that racist? |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:31:00 -
[59] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?
There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.
Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.
So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players? That's not PvE. That's PvP. By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates. I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game. You just need to learn them my man. Eve is harsh, no questions there, absolutely. But it isn't without help. Send me a message via eve-mail in game. I'll be online in a bit and I can help you out to the best of my ability.
I appreciate the offer. But I am sure EVE is not for me. I may jump on the test server during the rest of my time, but I am sure I will not dust off and have a go at it again.
If I had been the kind of person to thrive within adverse environments, I would probably not have ended up playing online games. 8D
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Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
106
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
[quote=Anslo] KB's say otherwise. And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.
Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID. /quote]
Mr. BanPvP wants people to have extensive KBs to argue a point on the forums?
Lolwut.
Lost a few ships in the time I've played. Mostly PvE mission runners because I ****** up and didn't realize that ship I locked was player or something else stupid.
I got dead then I got smart.
This guy got dead then he got whiny....
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Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:33:00 -
[61] - Quote
And nothing of value was lost that day. |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
Hiyora Akachi wrote:[quote=Anslo] KB's say otherwise. And if this IS your main then you really have no credibility to say anything in this matter regarding PvE vs PvP.
Also, so he made a mistake. Fine. People do that. Why bash him? Why not just say, "Ouch, tough **** dude. But live and learn and move on. There's always a way to get back up. You keep learning and you get better," as opposed to telling him to just get off EVE? Why not help RETAIN new players by helping them out? Diversify the player pool, bring in new people, instead of letting it stagnant to PvE people versus PvP people. It's STUPID. /quote]
Mr. BanPvP wants people to have extensive KBs to argue a point on the forums?
Lolwut.
Lost a few ships in the time I've played. Mostly PvE mission runners because I ****** up and didn't realize that ship I locked was player or something else stupid.
I got dead then I got smart.
This guy got dead then he got whiny....
>implying my talk about banning PvP isn't satirical commentary on the state of our server's community
Do your research scrub, then come talk to me.
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:36:00 -
[63] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:The actual chances of being scanned down by the big bad ninja salvager are much lower than you think. If and when he does there is no rule actually stating that you have to go after him. What is one missions loot when you run a dozen a day?
There is nothing saying that you have to group up when mining, just be smart about what you fly and where. You remember those missions that were just mentioned above? Well many of them contain rocks. I'm willing to be that suiciders tend to stick to belt patrols far more rather than care enough to scan down lone ships in deadspace and grav sites.
Courier should be the easy one. Light cargo, fast align.
So tell me, what's the supposed handicap here for pve players? That's not PvE. That's PvP. By the way, I did all you said. Killed by PvPer on first courier run with light cargo. Killed by PvPer on first group foray to get wealthier rocks. Killed by PvPer who wasn't there when we arrived but was sure there once we were engaged with NPC (PvE) pirates. I do not understand why someone who knows EVE will still insist EVE is also a PvE game.
Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
And let me guess, you went into low sec and didn't heed the warning that pops up saying 'watch out, the boogeyman may be out there'. Did you check your D-scan? Did you keep an eye on your overview? Did you make safespots? Did you watch local?
I spent several years myself running missions and even now when I'm bored I hit up a scan site. It's not the horrible reality that you are attempting to make it out to be if you make at least a minimal effort to cover your own ass. |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
106
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
Oh yes, the 59.46 billion in ship losses TRULY proves that your are less of a scrub than I.... |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
654
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Whadafool wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:
are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
when did this thread get racist XD How's that racist?
Yeah, that's more nationalist than racist (or maybe just ignorant with the terrorist portion). Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
Quality WCS Scorpion, chum. Sure this is enough buffer? ANother SPR would've saved ya. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4338
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:45:00 -
[67] - Quote
Anslo wrote:The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is.
Yeah but when you were doing that gimmick (ugh, how I fell for that troll) you were pretending to advocate a position that only a very tiny minority of people support. The extent of nonconsensual PvP that should be allowed in hisec is genuinely debatable, but banning PvP outright is something even the most carebeariest types wouldn't support. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Pipa Porto
763
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
6 HML Drake Best Drake. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Rigs might of helped. $58B in losses. I"m bookmarking this. |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:49:00 -
[70] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.
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Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
[71] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:Rigs might of helped. $58B in losses. I"m bookmarking this.
Oh, he's far too busy throwing Archons into a fire to worry about rigging a puny Drake. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1051
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:50:00 -
[72] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP. MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it.
EVE is all about cooperative play. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:51:00 -
[73] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Whadafool wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:
are smart (a successful terrorist group or a successful immigrant), or dead (R.I.P.)
when did this thread get racist XD How's that racist? Yeah, that's more nationalist than racist (or maybe just ignorant with the terrorist portion).
Uh... Now that's nationalist (if that's a word). I made no assumption terrorists come from only certain countries. You are reading too much into it. |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
349
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:51:00 -
[74] - Quote
EVE is a PVP game and unfortunately, the staff at CCP never has quite made it clear to newcomers with their incredible videos of people dying around floating in space and ships exploding that the one that will end up floating dead and exploding will usually be you.
They have never ever made it known that this game, in their adverts is about ships exploding as people derp in voicecomms and alpha you or gank you or bring 100000 times more people than you, nope, not a single video relates such things.
All EVE Online videos show is you being filled with gold and medals and pushing a single red button repeatedly that explodes everything near you to your amusement.
Because when I see the EVE Online videos all I see is happy people dancing around holding hands , not a single video of people taking choices on being a scammer, stealing corp assets or joining in a corp for mutual protection against others that just wan to steal, lie, rob , gank or violate you with endless ultraviolence stemming from the fact the game is spreadsheets in space with animated ships orbiting around in slow motion and throwing lame fancy lights that no matter how much they physically hit the model do no damage whatsoever.
Damn CCPers , they really need to make videos showing what EVE is really about. We need fancy movie artists saying how they are ingame avatars that look like them even if you cant make you look like yourself , destroying everything and laughing as they get paid more $$$$$ millions just to say they play a game they barely even know it existed.
Thats what we need. Not this misleading ad campaign where all they show is happiness and well being.
So confusing, ughhh! My head hurts
I like apple pie. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:53:00 -
[75] - Quote
EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. EVE cannot be described as a sandbox without meaningful solo play styles.
If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge. |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 20:55:00 -
[76] - Quote
Roime wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:This simply is not a solo PvE game.
Play any number of single player games if you don't want PvP. MMOs are not just for PvP, they also are for games with cooperative play. Most MMOs supporting PvE encourage and support cooperative play. In a PvP environment with no controls, you cannot play that way. It is always PvP. I was just looking for the other style of gameplay. EVE does not provide it. EVE is all about cooperative play.
I agree. But the cooperation in a PvP environment is necessary for survival. The cooperation in a PvE environment doesn't require you to hire a bodyguard. |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP.
Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game. |

Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
Oh goodie lets scare away all the new players.  |

Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:58:00 -
[79] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles.
To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE.
Nerf Burger wrote:If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge.
wat |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
106
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:58:00 -
[80] - Quote
Solo PvE is possible.....you'll die eventually but you can PvE on your own. |
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP. Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game.
Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so. |

Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
106
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 21:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
-_-
If you don't like PvP EvE is obviously not the game for you. People can and will blow you up because they can.
If you like the Solo PvE experience of other MMOs you could give them a try. WoW, Rift, GW2 all have PvE that is able to be done solo with no chance of dieing and losing all your stuff.
o/ |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Oh goodie lets scare away all the new players. 
No. People tried to help him, this isn't his thing. If he wanted to join a corp (say E-Uni) and learn something, be sociable, etc., he could.
I'm thinking the OP is really Nerf Burger's other troll alt. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Have a cookie Nerf, you'll feel all better. We know you're L33T, you keep telling us....kinda like Anslo. |

Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
Forum Harlot wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE. Nerf Burger wrote:If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge. wat
Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement .
and yes, the pvp in EVE is pretty awful and skilless in the eyes of most competitive pvpers. You could even easily argue that WoW takes more skill than eve, seeing how you actually have to use terrain in that game and it requires more than 3 buttons. |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:08:00 -
[85] - Quote
Please let's fix this misconception...
PvP environment: A game in which, at any time another player can affect your play by attacking you without your consent. PvE environment: A game in which, at no time can another player affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvP play: Interacting with (shooting) other players for loot, advancement, and fun. PvE play: Interacting with (shooting) NPCs for loot, advancement, and fun.
EVE is a PvP game with PvE elements.
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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
694
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1266
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. Forums PvP is the ultimate competition.
Do your best ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
|
Posted - 2012.08.14 21:12:00 -
[88] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP. Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game. Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so.
You appear to live in backward land. By not placing yourself in a position to be affected by another player you are avoiding pvp. Guy warps in, you warp out. No pvp. Guy steals from can, you don't fire. No pvp. Guy enters system, you cloak. No pvp. Target player and hit F1-F8. PvP.
It seems that what you are looking for is nanny state pve, meaning that you want the company to coddle and shield you. If so then yes, this game is not for you. This game bears more of a carry yourself attitude to it. |

Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:13:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote: Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement .
Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. EVE cannot be described as a sandbox without meaningful solo play styles.
This most definitely implies EVE currently does not allow this. And a consequence of the game not allowing something, would be that you couldn't do it. Hence "You *can*...".
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:15:00 -
[90] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Shooting scripted red crosses all day is not pvp.
No, it is a PvE element. But since when shooting scripted red crosses still led to my demise by another player, the game itself is all PvP. Because you put yourself in a position to be affected by another player. You did it, not the game. Are you hearing yourself? By your own admission, I have to place myself in a position not to be affected by another player. PvP? I think so. You appear to live in backward land. By not placing yourself in a position to be affected by another player you are avoiding pvp. Guy warps in, you warp out. No pvp. Guy steals from can, you don't fire. No pvp. Guy enters system, you cloak. No pvp. Target player and hit F1-F8. PvP. It seems that what you are looking for is nanny state pve, meaning that you want the company to coddle and shield you. If so then yes, this game is not for you. This game bears more of a carry yourself attitude to it.
I get it. You are confusing PvP play with a PvP environment. Two different things. See above. |
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:17:00 -
[91] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here.
I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it.
Thanks PM
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:22:00 -
[92] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it. Thanks PM
Because it appears that your definition is vaguely different than the communities. Btw, I couldn't help but notice that you never did say where all those evil pvp happenings actually happened. It was low sec wasn't it? You did disregard the little warning box didn't you? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9086
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:28:00 -
[93] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. No. You're confusing it with your standard single-player open-world sandbox game.
EVE is a multiplayer sandbox GÇö multiplayer being the operative word. This does not mean that you can do what you want. It means everyone can do what they want and that will include things that you do not want them to do (to you). If you want to do something, you have to ensure that other players will let you do it, because the game offers no such assurances.
Or, as Malcanis once put it: sandbox does not mean that you can excel at anything you attempt GÇö it means you can attempt anything you wish to excel at. One of the main obstacles towards that goal will be other players. This is by design. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
Definately check out X3 Terran Conflict if you want a Solo PVE Spaceship sandbox. Its a great game and I usually play it whenever I burn out from EVE. They even have a very active forum and mod community.
EVE isn't for everyone, though it is possible to avoid the more nasty side of PVP 'splosions if you play smart. Sadly you can never escape direct competition with other players. Though I personally wouldn't have it any other way...
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Whadafool
Universal Might
21
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:37:00 -
[95] - Quote
this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people  Free EvE wallpapers
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114 |

Pipa Porto
764
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:38:00 -
[96] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Please let's fix this misconception...
PvP environment: A game in which, at any time another player can affect your play by attacking you without your consent. PvE environment: A game in which, at no time can another player affect your play by attacking you without your consent.
PvP play: Interacting with (shooting) other players for loot, advancement, and fun. PvE play: Interacting with (shooting) NPCs for loot, advancement, and fun.
EVE is a PvP game with PvE elements.
Which is a problem.... how? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
210
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:40:00 -
[97] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
Well, seeing as how being a merchant in this game IS PvP (you vs the other merchant) and mining IS PvP (you getting the ore before the other guy)
That must only leave missioning and PLEXing
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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
634
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Whadafool wrote:this is like the best troll ive ever seen. look at all these mad people 
As much as I hate that word I'm afraid you are most likely correct in this matter. I bid ado and take my leave. |

Pipa Porto
764
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:50:00 -
[99] - Quote
highonpop wrote:That must only leave missioning and PLEXing
You're selling LP and ISK in competition with everyone else.
Remember, buying things with money is selling money to buy stuff. Selling stuff is buying money. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:33:00 -
[100] - Quote
People wrote: stuff about my losses
So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well!
At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3 |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
655
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:48:00 -
[101] - Quote
Anslo wrote:People wrote: stuff about my losses So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well! At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3
Inmates love qualities like that. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2372
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:50:00 -
[102] - Quote
highonpop wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Because it's an online multiplayer game.
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Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
60
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:52:00 -
[103] - Quote
@ OP (not reading all pages atm) but to first question: The point is, yes, you can be blown up. But you can get revenge . And blow up other people ^_^ So, anyone who sits there and pisses you off, talks trash, they better bring it. Because players can have long memories and thus are enemies born. And sometimes friends. :) |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
600
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Nerf Burger wrote:Forum Harlot wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:EVE is a sandbox which should allow for solo pve as well as other playstyles. To say you can't do solo PVE in this game (Exploration, WHs, low- null- and high-sec missions...) honestly only says more about your knowledge of the game than the game itself. In a game design for multiplayer/cooperation gameplay (The MMO would've been the first clue) it's obviously most efficient to go at it with some friends, but you're pretty bad if you can't thrive of PVE as a lone wolf in EVE. Nerf Burger wrote:If you just want pvp, there are other games that do it much better and actually require skills as a player and not just time spent and knowledge. wat Ah, yes, mindless assumptions. Nobody said you can't do solo pve already. There is always room for improvement . and yes, the pvp in EVE is pretty awful and skilless in the eyes of most competitive pvpers. You could even easily argue that WoW takes more skill than eve, seeing how you actually have to use terrain in that game and it requires more than 3 buttons.
Trying too hard, it's quite sad and to watch. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
518
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:05:00 -
[105] - Quote
What on earth is the OP trying to do that's getting him killed so much? For the first 6 months I played EVE all I did was PVE, and I never got killed during the process... mostly mission running, hauling. Most players never seemed to think I was worth killing. Are you just flying around with plex and officer mods in your inventory?
I knew a guy once who kept wondering why his PVE ships were getting ganked when he plexed his way to sticking faction mods on all of them... that'll do it.
But, honestly, if you stay away from the major mission hubs you'll rarely even encounter a ninja salvager. And there's no reason to worry about can flippers these days, now that we have pretty barges for mining and a noctis for salvaging.
The only non-consensual pvp encounters I've been in have been in nullsec, and they could have been easily avoided had I stayed aligned/cared. Half the time I didn't, because it's not exactly difficult to replace ships.
I honestly find that EVE has the same support for PVE that any other MMO does, if not moreso. Granted, I've never played on a strictly-PVE server on any game.
I think this entire thread is just mislabeled. PVE is supported by the game. There are wormholes, missions, and exploration all to support the PVE-er.
What we don't have is needless rules banning PVP, because it's a sandbox. If I want to shoot someone, why shouldn't I be allowed to? That's not a "PVP environment". The main point of highsec isn't to pew pew someone when I'm sitting in Motsu or wherever people mission these days. It's just an unrestricted environment. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:32:00 -
[106] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Anslo wrote:People wrote: stuff about my losses So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well! At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3 Inmates love qualities like that.
This unfortunate condition is sometimes referred to More Isk Than Brains Syndrome. Its worst manifestations can be seen in Jita. For example, when under a wardec, a player may undock with a Slave set and 1B in cargo.
The etiology off MIT-BS is unknown. Genetic predisposition has been shown to play a role in at least two uncontrolled studies; but environmental contamination and prion mutations have not been ruled out.
Victims most likely to succumb to the disorder range in age between 14 and 21. Interestingly enough, the second most affected demographic is 40-50, or otherwise may be in mid-life crisis.
Shunned by players for throwing away Isk, most victims reside in NP Corporations. Generally, though, this often carefree lot gains a following of fans, including: pirates, km whores, assertive PvPers and class clowns. |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
60
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:01:00 -
[107] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
If this game is to mean for you I think I found you a good replacement with plenty of "solo" PVE, have fun.
https://us.battle.net/account/creation/wow/signup/;jsessionid=6A85346B708742689F874A8FF0DD4F37.blade34_04_bnet-mgmt |

Ensign X
73
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:09:00 -
[108] - Quote
There's more than enough solo PVE options in this game if that's what you're looking for. OTOH, you cannot avoid PVP in this game forever. Some have tried, many have failed, and none of them have enjoyed this game as much as those who actively and wholeheartedly seek out PVP at some point in their EVE careers.
Solo PVE possibilities include:
- Missions - Mining - Exploration - Wormholes - Industry
All of the above activities can be done solo, though all of them are more profitable, safer and, some would argue, more fun when done with friends or in a group. Just keep in mind, AT ALL TIMES, that any activity you do outside of a station puts you into an environment where PVP CAN, WILL and SHOULD happen at any time.
Whatever you do, don't buy into the rubbish that EVE is exclusively a PVP game. It's not. It's an MMO with aspects of PVE and PVP. PVP might drive this game, but generating ISK through PVE is as much a necessity to many people as destroying it through PVP. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:13:00 -
[109] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:Solo PVE possibilities include:
- Missions - Mining - Exploration - Wormholes - Industry
All of the above activities can be done solo GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest will put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Ensign X
73
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:14:00 -
[110] - Quote
Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest might put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:26:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest will put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP. No. If you want to put a GÇ£mayGÇ¥ in there, you could replace the GÇ£are likelyGÇ¥ bit, but not the part about competition because it will simply not go away. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
766
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:27:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪand only one of is not a PvP activity. The rest might put you in direct, and often fierce, competition with other players who are likely to try things to keep you from getting what you want.
FYP.
Which of those 5 allow you to do anything without competing with other players?
Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2278
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:30:00 -
[113] - Quote
ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
That is literally the first time I have ever seen an ISD move something to General Discussion.
Of course, like every single ISD thread move I have ever seen, it didn't need to be moved. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
211
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:38:00 -
[114] - Quote
PvP in EVE is really just Simon Says;
Simon Says: Warp to the Gate Simon Says: Shoot dude who's name starts with a Simon Says: Shoot dude who's name starts with b Simon Says: Warp to station. Simon Says: Dock |

Darth Snuggles
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:41:00 -
[115] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games.
SW:ToR is that way ---------------------------------> |

Kharaxus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:41:00 -
[116] - Quote
PVE meaning; Player Versus Environment?
The environment includes PVP. There are precautions people need to learn to take in order to avoid "that part of the community".
I thoroughly enjoy ratting in space as deep into low sec space as I can get, as a result losing a lot of ships (frigates). I make enough ISK from those rats to justify the cost of replacing those ships.
When I joined a corp I was immediately informed I could make more ISK, safer, by running missions. I didn't realize that until I started lvling skills(social), and finding the better agents.
At the moment I can't recall all the minor details about the "Environment" we play in, that I learned from the corp I was in, but there is a lot more there. |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:46:00 -
[117] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one might put you in direct competition with other players.
FYP. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:52:00 -
[118] - Quote
Why people join EvE chart:
PvP ranks a bit low, but it's all connected.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:Influence_factors.jpg
-------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Pipa Porto
766
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players. FYP.
No. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 00:59:00 -
[120] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Ensign X wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players. FYP. No.
Yes. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:02:00 -
[121] - Quote
I'm sorry, we're talking about TQ here, no sisi, so yes. Yes they do. You cannot do any of those without competing with other players. It's inherent in how EVE works on a fundamental level.
There is no GÇ£mayGÇ¥ about it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2381
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:03:00 -
[122] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote: Which of those 5 allow you to do anything without competing with other players?
Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players.
There's an argument to be made there, but I wonder how many highsec PvE players recognize that their actions affect others.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:10:00 -
[123] - Quote
James 315 wrote:There's an argument to be made there, but I wonder how many highsec PvE players recognize that their actions affect others. Considering how often some variation of GǣI'm not messing with you so why are you messing with me?Gǥ comes up as an argument from that campGǪ
Three? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2278
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:12:00 -
[124] - Quote
Darth Snuggles wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:I am sorry if I have wasted anyone's time with this question. If anyone develops a game similar to EVE that supports PvE players, please let me know. For now, I guess I will have to suffer less evolved games. SW:ToR is that way --------------------------------->
This is especially hilarious as it is pointing to my roommates computer on my screen.
He worked on TOR. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Jonah Gravenstein
737
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:12:00 -
[125] - Quote
Tippia wrote:James 315 wrote:There's an argument to be made there, but I wonder how many highsec PvE players recognize that their actions affect others. Considering how often some variation of GǣI'm not messing with you so why are you messing with me?Gǥ comes up as an argument from that campGǪ Three?
Don't tar all of us with that brush, PvP is like a kitten, it can happen to anyone.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:15:00 -
[126] - Quote
Then we're in agreement.
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Xion Martinus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:18:00 -
[127] - Quote
Jim Era wrote:Pip, its because of the design of EVE. its designed to be a 'real' universe...where anything can happen. Yes some may cause you dismay at not being able to do whatever you may be doing, but that is 'life' and that is how EVE is intended to be. You can always pay,hire,recruit etc someone to get rid of the players that are hindering you.
^This... This makes the game very realistic imho. You are never truly safe in RL, so it adds an element of realism when you are not safe in EVE as well... Epeen:-á Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some loser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument.Generally also used to condescendingly refer to someones ego. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:23:00 -
[128] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote: Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK - Only if the LP is used, there are those who have millions of LP for lack of knowing what to spend it on or just not wanting to which has no influence on the value of other LP ... Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. - Only if sold, but merely completing/looting sites prevents others from being able to do them until they respawn
Boredom induced nitpicking |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:30:00 -
[129] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:They always put you into competition, yes. Then we're in agreement. We agree that you cannot avoid the competition, yes. There is no GÇ£mayGÇ¥ about it since it's built into the very foundation of the game and it's nice of you to admit that the word doesn't belong there. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pipa Porto
768
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:46:00 -
[130] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Which of those 5 allow you to do anything without competing with other players?
Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players.
There's an argument to be made there, but I wonder how many highsec PvE players recognize that their actions affect others.
Recognized or not, it's there.
I think there's also a DSM-IV-TR diagnoses for not realizing your actions affect others. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Pipa Porto
768
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:49:00 -
[131] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK - Only if the LP is used, there are those who have millions of LP for lack of knowing what to spend it on or just not wanting to which has no influence on the value of other LP ... Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. - Only if sold, but merely completing/looting sites does prevent others from being able to do them until they respawn
Boredom induced nitpicking
Even if you don't use LP, you still gain ISK, and still consume materials (or Manufacturing slots if you built every single thing you use from materials you collected yourself).
Completing them prevents others from completing them. That's what I mean by competition for sites. And again, you consume materials. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:54:00 -
[132] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK - Only if the LP is used, there are those who have millions of LP for lack of knowing what to spend it on or just not wanting to which has no influence on the value of other LP ... Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. - Only if sold, but merely completing/looting sites does prevent others from being able to do them until they respawn
Boredom induced nitpicking Even if you don't use LP, you still gain ISK, and still consume materials (or Manufacturing slots if you built every single thing you use from materials you collected yourself). Completing them prevents others from completing them. That's what I mean by competition for sites. And again, you consume materials. Was agreeing with you on the point about completing sites. Isk also, when generated through means like bounties, only becomes a competitive factor once used, though it would be hard to go for any significant time without some market interaction. |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
656
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:58:00 -
[133] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Anslo wrote:People wrote: stuff about my losses So? I had fun tossing Archons around like no bodies business. Isn't that the point? Go pew and have fun? If you loose something, d'oh well! At least I have the balls to run around with a carrier. Don't fly what you can't afford to loose? Well...I can afford to loose a LOT :3 Inmates love qualities like that. This unfortunate condition is sometimes referred to as More Isk Than Brains Syndrome. Its worst manifestations can be seen in Jita. For example, when under a wardec, a player may undock with a Slave set and 4B in cargo or a faction-fit Paladin...or both, on the same day. The etiology off MIT-BS is unknown. Genetic predisposition has been shown to play a role in at least two uncontrolled studies; but environmental contamination and prion mutations have not been ruled out. Victims most likely to succumb to the disorder range in age between 14 and 21. Interestingly enough, the second most commonly affected demographic is 40 to 50 years of age, or otherwise may be in mid-life or menopausal crisis. Shunned by players for throwing away Isk, most victims reside in NP Corporations. Generally, though, this often carefree lot gains a following of fans, including: pirates, km whores, assertive PvPers, beggars, and class clowns.
Actually I was referring to his liberal use of the word loose instead of lose yo.
yeah Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:59:00 -
[134] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ensign X wrote:Tippia wrote:They always put you into competition, yes. Then we're in agreement. We agree that you cannot avoid the competition, yes. There is no GÇ£mayGÇ¥ about it since it's built into the very foundation of the game and it's nice of you to admit that the word doesn't belong there.
Then it's a philosophical difference of opinion and we can agree to disagree.
I believe that PVE does exist in EVE and while it might not be prudent or financially advantageous it is possible to avoid competition if not wholly then at least partially in most of the activities in EVE that would conventionally be considered "PVE".
I also believe it's possible to enjoy EVE without a second thought about the ramifications of how the way you play it affects others. Some people shoot rats. Some people shoot rocks. Some people shoot other people. Some people just fly space ships. Labels don't matter. It's just EVE. Peace, Love and Spaceships, Brother. |

Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
552
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:00:00 -
[135] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
You're doing it wrong. EVE may not be the right fit for you. I'd suggest WoW or SWTOR instead. There is no PVE-only play. If you want to have NO interaction with PVP whatsoever, you cannot log in and do anything but stay docked. Even market trading is a form of PVP. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:16:00 -
[136] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Amarra Mandalin wrote:[quote=THE L0CK][quote=Anslo][quote=People] stuff about my losses Actually I was referring to his liberal use of the word loose instead of lose yo. yeah
The reply wasn't about you. It should be obvious from the quoted parts and content but I'll fix the quote hiccup. -------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9089
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:18:00 -
[137] - Quote
Ensign X wrote:I believe that PVE does exist in EVE and while it might not be prudent or financially advantageous it is possible to avoid competition if not wholly then at least partially in most of the activities in EVE that would conventionally be considered "PVE". I'll post my standard copypasta for when people ask for some kind of PvP-toggle just for reference:
A "no PvP" switch in EVE would have to have at least the following restrictions: -+ You can obviously no longer lock any player ship. -+ You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module. -+ You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window. -+ You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services. -+ You can no longer mine. -+ You can no longer shoot rats. -+ You can no longer open any kind of container in space. -+ You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes. -+ You can no longer be in a fleet. -+ You can no longer use salvagers. -+ You can no longer access the industry interface. -+ You can no longer access player-sovereign systems. -+ You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space. -+ You can no longer see local. -+ You no longer show up in local. -+ You can no longer see other player ships on the overview. -+ You no longer show up on other player's overviews. -+ You can no longer join a player corp.
Some of those aren't entirely relevant here since they're there to highlight things in which you'd be able to abuse a no-PvP switch, which is a different issue entirely, but that's the nature of copypasta. The point here is: any time you gain any kind of resource GÇö and this includes such abstract things as GÇ£a spot in spaceGÇ¥ (for your POS) GÇö you ensure that someone else is not getting that resource. It is now yours and yours alone and it has been denied everyone else (unless and until they blow you up and take it). The instant you go on the market and there is already an order for the same item you're trading in, you're competing with that other player for the best price (lowest or highest depending on which side of the equation you are) and for the item or ISK you're after.
There is one exception to all this: missions, and in that particular case the exception only extends to the actual mission itself. No-one can stop you from clicking the GÇ£request missionGÇ¥ button to spawn a new one, and no-one can stop you form clicking the GÇ£complete missionGÇ¥ button (but they can occasionally keep you from having the assets required to do so) and thereby cash in any outstanding rewards GÇö those two actions are completely without competitive elementsGǪ but then you have to do something with those rewards and you're straight back into competition territory. And anything inbetween those two clicks is something where other players are out to get you and nick your stuff.
Quote:I also believe it's possible to enjoy EVE without a second thought about the ramifications of how the way you play it affects others. This is true. it's just doesn't remove the simple fact that there are such ramifications and it just means you've got blinders on. Ignorance and nonchalantness is always possible. It still doesn't make it PvE GÇö it's more a player vs. wilfully-induced-filter-of-things-that-go-on-in-the-world-around-youGǪ but I don't think PvWIFOTGOITWAY is an industry-standard concept. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lilianna Star
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:21:00 -
[138] - Quote
Even as a PvE game, it's still among the more strategic MMOs out there if not one of the most challenging.
For that reason, I think PvE players should get some love. |

Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:23:00 -
[139] - Quote
Tippia wrote:[ It still doesn't make it PvE GÇö it's more a player vs. wilfully-induced-filter-of-things-that-go-on-in-the-world-around-youGǪ but I don't think PvWIFOTGOITWAY is an industry-standard concept. 
I may not agree with all of what you've said, though have no argument with most of it.
BUT...
This is some savory linguistics here. May I quote you? :)
-------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
656
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:24:00 -
[140] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Amarra Mandalin wrote:[quote=THE L0CK][quote=Anslo] stuff about my losses Actually I was referring to his liberal use of the word loose instead of lose yo. yeah The reply wasn't about you. It should be obvious from the quoted parts and content but I'll fix the quote hiccup.
Well that's just rude. It's like staring at the person but your actually holding a conversation through your blutooth. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Amarra Mandalin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:28:00 -
[141] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:[ Well that's just rude. It's like staring at the person but your actually holding a conversation through your blutooth.
I'm sorry good Sir. I can add your name back, if you really wish to be considered as having More Isk Than Brains Syndrome. -------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
657
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:32:00 -
[142] - Quote
Amarra Mandalin wrote:THE L0CK wrote:[ Well that's just rude. It's like staring at the person but your actually holding a conversation through your blutooth. I'm sorry good Sir. I can add your name back, if you really wish to be considered as having More Isk Than Brains Syndrome.
Nah all good, I prefer being cheap and ditzy. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:48:00 -
[143] - Quote
Tippia wrote:literally tl;dr
What part of Peace, Love and Spaceships did you not understand? It was the Peace part wasn't it? Are you, by chance, an American? 
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Garresh
Opposite of Low
21
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Posted - 2012.08.15 03:04:00 -
[144] - Quote
You are wrong. Very, very wrong.
Within 6 months of starting Eve for the first time, I launched POS in a class 2 wormhole with no support or backup whatsoever. I raised the money myself, ran the thing myself, hauled the fuel myself, and got rich by myself.
I've run a few missions in my day(didn't much like it), and I've done a hell of a lot of ninja salvaging. Truth is, unless you take the bait and shoot, their ninjaing doesn't actually hamper your income all that much.
Now, when I feel like doing some quiet PvE to make ends meet, I do lowsec exploration and puil 50-60 million isk/hr.
It's not that this game is skewed towards PvP. It's simply that to be good at PvE requires being *aware* of threats and knowing how to evade or deter.
Here's a fun excercise: Go down the list of PvE activities, and correlate how much attention each activity requires with how much crying that profession has on the forums. Miners cry constantly because they're always AFK and get killed. MIssion runners cry occassionally when they get ninja'd or ganked(but this has gone down due to ninja salvaging nerfs and increased awareness). W-space dwelling bears pretty much don't cry at all because they watch their d-scan or know what they're getting themselves into. Same thing for lowsec explorers, nullbears, and highsec traders.
The only solo eve professions that actually have problems are the ones that encourage you to leave your computer and go AFK. If you do a high-attention high-reward activity, you'll rapidly learn how to counter threats and find yourself raking in high profits. |

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
143
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Posted - 2012.08.15 03:14:00 -
[145] - Quote
Where does this idea of "I'm a PVEer and I just want to exist in peace" come from"? I mean you literally have to be under assumption that the market is 100% npc seeded for that to make any sense.
What happened to the days when people would "mission" or "mine" or "whatever" instead of labeling it "I am doing PVE now". It's just eve, not pve or pvp. |

Ensign X
76
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Posted - 2012.08.15 03:16:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:It's just eve, not pve or pvp.
Not empty quoting. 
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.15 23:37:00 -
[147] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it. Thanks PM Because it appears that your definition is vaguely different than the communities. Btw, I couldn't help but notice that you never did say where all those evil pvp happenings actually happened. It was low sec wasn't it? You did disregard the little warning box didn't you?
Highsec space. |

Pipa Porto
777
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Posted - 2012.08.15 23:53:00 -
[148] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Highsec space.
Then either you initiated the conflict by shooting first or stealing from the player that destroyed you, or destroying you cost them their ship.
That's how HS works; PvP is either consensual or it costs the attacker their ship (or a Wardec fee, but that's only kind of non-consensual). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Dennis Gregs
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:01:00 -
[149] - Quote
I enjoy the PVE in EVE, and the fact that you're never safe makes it more enjoyable.
If you don't like the game please don't try to ruin it for the rest of us, total carebearness with zero consequences should never be allowed in this game. |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:18:00 -
[150] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Highsec space. Then either you initiated the conflict by shooting first or stealing from the player that destroyed you, or destroying you cost them their ship. That's how HS works; PvP is either consensual or it costs the attacker their ship (or a Wardec fee, but that's only kind of non-consensual).
Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9123
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:21:00 -
[151] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread. GǪand if it wasn't consensual, then it cost the other guy something, because that's how highsec works: highsec is simply a part of space where aggression comes at a cost. Nothing more, nothing less (ok, maybe a bit less, since there are some equipment restrictions as well).
So you're not actually differing in any way from what he said.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:22:00 -
[152] - Quote
Dennis Gregs wrote:I enjoy the PVE in EVE, and the fact that you're never safe makes it more enjoyable.
If you don't like the game please don't try to ruin it for the rest of us, total carebearness with zero consequences should never be allowed in this game. Not ruining anything. Just discussing it. If anything, the aggressiveness of other players has ruined the game for me. No one is changing the game on you. |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:25:00 -
[153] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread. GǪand if it wasn't consensual, then it cost the other guy something, because that's how highsec works: highsec is simply a part of space where aggression comes at a cost. Nothing more, nothing less (ok, maybe a bit less, since there are some equipment restrictions as well). So you're not actually differing in any way from what he said. The differ was I was not the aggressor. Whether or not they suffered any, I can't say. I was running away in my pod. |

Pipa Porto
781
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:28:00 -
[154] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Highsec space. Then either you initiated the conflict by shooting first or stealing from the player that destroyed you, or destroying you cost them their ship. That's how HS works; PvP is either consensual or it costs the attacker their ship (or a Wardec fee, but that's only kind of non-consensual). Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread.
In that case, it cost the attacker their ship. Because, unless you shot them first (after they stole something of yours) or you stole something from them, CONCORD came by after some delay and blew up their ship.
That's what the "or" was in there for.
With some details, I could explain to you exactly what happened. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Pip Mayo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:36:00 -
[155] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Highsec space. Then either you initiated the conflict by shooting first or stealing from the player that destroyed you, or destroying you cost them their ship. That's how HS works; PvP is either consensual or it costs the attacker their ship (or a Wardec fee, but that's only kind of non-consensual). Beg to differ. Being attacked is not limited to lowsec and below. I experienced it first hand. And it was far from consensual. That was why I began this thread. In that case, it cost the attacker their ship. Because, unless you shot them first (after they stole something of yours) or you stole something from them, CONCORD came by after some delay and blew up their ship. That's what the "or" was in there for. With some details, I could explain to you exactly what happened. The consequences, whatever they were, still did not stop my being attacked and destroyed. Thus my whole point about EVE not having any PVE environments. I get no warning when I enter highsec space.
The one attack, and biggest hit financially, was at a gate. I understand that was a suicide run? The others were at cosmic points. Does security enter those? Isn't there an aggression timer? |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
107
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:37:00 -
[156] - Quote
Identifying what Eve is, is not the same as defning what Eve should be in ones opinion. One is a fact, the other is not. Eve is a competative game. Nothing you do in this game is done without screwing someone else, wether you intend it or not. Even something as simple and seemingly innoscent as mining in high sec alone can be seen as an act of aggression against another corp already there trying to corner the market and get access to the ores your pulling without their permission.
All of this is by design, has existed since at least as long as I have played (over 6 years) and nothing in Eve's history has ever suggested that there was anything remotetly approaching "consentual" or "without consequence" behavior. Simply by logging in, you are screwing someone and if you play long enough, you will discover that people don't take kindly to it and in time you might find that you don't take kindly to other players seemingly "innoscent" activities.
Should there be PvE in Eve? Abso-*******-lutley. And there is, lots of it. From Missions, to Complexes, from Ratting, to exploration, from mining to manufacuring, from research to trading, from hauling to the countless services that go with it. In a sense, the large majority of what happens in the game is very strictly PvE... but and this is the important part, all of this so called "PvE" content happens in competition for ISK, really the primary driving force behind everything that takes place in the game. The earning of ISK is a endevour which ultimatly creates competative play at every level and without that "I'm going to do something about my competition" mechanic... aka ... pissed enough to shoot, the game would frankly be extremly boring.
Oh and burger, anyone who think PvP takes no skill is by definition a complete noob. Only the uninformed share this opinion. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1058
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:47:00 -
[157] - Quote
A PVE thread in GD where the OP is able to discuss the issues in a reasonable manner and actually makes sensible arguments?
Now I've seen it all.
Pip,
I wish all carebears were like you, and not the whiney little twats we see every day! And although it does seem that EVE is not a game that you would enjoy, I kinda wish you would stay at least long enough to see if the things that we love about EVE would also bring pleasure to you. This really is a fantastic game, like no other.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Pipa Porto
781
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:51:00 -
[158] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:The consequences, whatever they were, still did not stop my being attacked and destroyed. Thus my whole point about EVE not having any PVE environments. I get no warning when I enter highsec space.
The one attack, and biggest hit financially, was at a gate. I understand that was a suicide run? The others were at cosmic points. Does security enter those? Isn't there an aggression timer?
EVE doesn't have any "Safe" areas. Nor is it meant to. SISI is the closest thing to a safe EVE (actually, it is safe, but its PCU numbers show how interesting that is).
If you got shot in HS, anywhere in HS, the attackers ships were destroyed by CONCORD, unless you did something to allow them to shoot you (stealing from one of their cans/wrecks, shooting them after they stole from yours, or shooting them because they're an outlaw). The timer for CONCORD varies by system security level, not by location. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
159
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:59:00 -
[159] - Quote
I wonder if it would be a good idea to implement a little popup when you click "Redeem PLEX" that says:
"Warning you are attempting to redeem a PLEX, however your account is less than 2 weeks old. There is a high statistical probability that you will lose this foolishly and feel very bad. Are you sure you wish to continue?" Hows my posting? Call 1-800-747-7633 to leave feedback. |

Serena Serene
The Scope Gallente Federation
2970
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:18:00 -
[160] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:[...]
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
[...]
Of course it's both PvE and PvP. You can fight NPCs. PvE. You are not isolated if you do this but can be affected by other players, among other things in a negative way. PvP
So it's both. If you don't want the PvP aspect, you're asking for pure PvE, and I don't think anyone ever said you can have that in Eve.
I also disagree with the opinion that basically everything in Eve is PvP .. I agree that basically everything in Eve has a PvP element, though. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1662
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:33:00 -
[161] - Quote
I think the first sign what CCP thought of this idea is when they actually moved a thread TO General Discussion. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1059
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:33:00 -
[162] - Quote
:DDD
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Dennis Gregs
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:34:00 -
[163] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Dennis Gregs wrote:I enjoy the PVE in EVE, and the fact that you're never safe makes it more enjoyable.
If you don't like the game please don't try to ruin it for the rest of us, total carebearness with zero consequences should never be allowed in this game. Not ruining anything. Just discussing it. If anything, the aggressiveness of other players has ruined the game for me. No one is changing the game on you.
You're not ruining it, but you're trying really hard. This is not even a stealth QQ thread, it's an obvious one. |

Sejania Tor
Unity Systems Engineering The Dog Pound
1
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:56:00 -
[164] - Quote
Andski wrote:Anslo wrote:The reason I make the commentary I do about banning PvP is to point out just how damn polarized the community is. Yeah but when you were doing that gimmick (ugh, how I fell for that troll) you were pretending to advocate a position that only a very tiny minority of people support. The extent of nonconsensual PvP that should be allowed in hisec is genuinely debatable, but banning PvP outright is something even the most carebeariest types wouldn't support.
Most definitely agree......I'm a miner and I'd be pissed if they ever got rid of suicide ganking as it is. If they made it so miners would be always protected from everything except rats the market would crash completely. I'd be first to cancel if they did something so inane. |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
108
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:57:00 -
[165] - Quote
Dennis Gregs wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Dennis Gregs wrote:I enjoy the PVE in EVE, and the fact that you're never safe makes it more enjoyable.
If you don't like the game please don't try to ruin it for the rest of us, total carebearness with zero consequences should never be allowed in this game. Not ruining anything. Just discussing it. If anything, the aggressiveness of other players has ruined the game for me. No one is changing the game on you. You're not ruining it, but you're trying really hard. This is not even a stealth QQ thread, it's an obvious one.
I didn't read any real malice in the OPS post, its simply an uninformed opinion of a new player without a clue. Thats quite common in Eve. The problem is that two months from now, unless he adapts, he will either quit the game, or join the endless stream of people who bring their tears to the forum over some random event involving the destruction of one of their ships. Hence, its quite smart to "discuss" the matter at this stage in his Eve life before he takes one of the two eventual steps, rather than the 3rd step which is adapting, absorbing and becoming part of Eve, rather than one of its endless victims. |

Sejania Tor
Unity Systems Engineering The Dog Pound
1
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:04:00 -
[166] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: Which of those 5 allow you to do anything without competing with other players?
Missions - Each LP or ISK you earn reduces the value of everyone else's LP/ISK Mining - Each rock you mine is unavailable to other miners, and each mineral you mine reduces the value of everyone else's minerals. Exploration - Competition for Sites, and Loot you pick up reduces the value of everyone else's loot. Wormholes - The above + Shooting each other Industry - Market Competition.
Every single one puts you in direct competition with other players.
There's an argument to be made there, but I wonder how many highsec PvE players recognize that their actions affect others.
Not enough......some of the simplest people that push straight into mining barges etc. just so they can mine don't quite realize I think what effect the ores and minerals they sell has on the market. I imagine quite a few think there is an npc that buys all that up when they right click and hit sell. Any mining I do is for personal/corp use only. And thats all the low end stuff. Veldspar etc. I buy all my zydrine, mega and morphite off the market. |

Pierre Echerie
Horseshoe Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:10:00 -
[167] - Quote
Well, since we go about definitions, let's recall what CCP says orignally about this game (CBA to actually quote).
They call it a 'sandbox environment'. Key word - environment.
PVE and PVP are defined as activities, I think most of us including the OP would agree.
So, essentially, it's a game that has both PVP activities available, i.e. shoot the bejesus out of other players, scam them, out-trade, out-mine, out-smart them, log in first after the restart to get that anom, nom nom :)... all that stuff, and...
... PVE activities, like missioning, ratting, etc. Problem is, as someone pointed it out, even if you do PVE, you still affect the environment, which is kind of shared between you and those other nameless thousands of eve players, so you do affect them, even if indirectly. Then again, show me a truly totally absolutely PVE game which still enables player interaction*.
And the environment is defined as sandbox, which means, anyone can do anything they want, to anything or anyone within it. All these points together ought to be pretty self-explanatory.
* Now about some other MMO's people may perceive as PVE games.
Lineage 2 - THE PVP GAME, in fact, at least before the introduction of Kamael chronicles. You walk out of town, anyone can PK you just 'cause they had a bad day.
RIFT? Yes, there's a pve server... still doesn't prevent people from killing your mobs, though. Besides, it all ultimately boils down to getting your char to the top, dressing up, then doing arenas. Reminds something, doesn't it? 
Aion... sweet looking title. Except it is boring as hell, because PVP there is not meaningful, not any more.
World of tanks? Roxx, to be sure. But you can argue that by pressing that big red button you consent to be shot at. Well, in eve you do the same by undocking.
SW:TOR and the like... heck, never tried, must be because I'm not into games where everyone is grinding chars for the sake of grinding.
The problem with most such games is that, in a totally controlled, safe environment, progress is constant and guaranteed, even if it's speed is not. At a certain time everyone gets to a point that they literally have the same, best, tried, standard equip/skills/build. Then they got nothing more to do and quickly become bored (and leave if nothing gets done).
Then the company that makes that game has to add new 'chronicles' with more stuff to get and more levels to grind, devaluating all the player has achieved till that poind. And just so that new players had a chance to catch up, all the previous content is made easier, and 'progress' gets devaluated even more.. Rinse, repeat.
At some point, one just gets fed up with having to constantly catch up just to stay on top, knowing that all he does uncountable times plowing through the same mindless dungeon, is not in any way giving him any 'real progress', so, again, he leaves.
Ofc, expecting 'progress' in an MMO of that kind is stupid anyway, it's a game. Better Play DnD then (or something like EvE), where the real product of playing is not some abstract numbers, but a story that is written in player interaction. So, even if you personally are against hurting anyone, even in a virtual world, you can take pride in being successful despite others. Think of it as running an unarmed freighter in an environment close to that of 'Firefly', but without using weapons.
/wall_of_text
Alright, enough talking, will somebody just gimme a drink!? |

Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
108
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:30:00 -
[168] - Quote
Quote:Not enough......some of the simplest people that push straight into mining barges etc. just so they can mine don't quite realize I think what effect the ores and minerals they sell has on the market. I imagine quite a few think there is an npc that buys all that up when they right click and hit sell. Any mining I do is for personal/corp use only. And thats all the low end stuff. Veldspar etc. I buy all my zydrine, mega and morphite off the market.
Your correct on that, but still, it is a fact that players are in competition with each other, being unaware of it just makes you really bad at it. Which again illustrates the fact that most players are very naive about what being an Eve player involves and how much control they actually have over their own existance and success in this game. This is one aspect of the game that no matter how much you try to knock into peoples heads, the large majority are simply not going to understand because the presumption is that Eve is just another MMO like any other and they try to play it as such.
If you want to know the difference between a player that gets it and one that doesn't, I can share an experiance with you that illustrates the difference.
I started out playing this game with several friends, though initially we didn't agree on what was the best way to go about playing this game. One of them insisted that the best way to earn ISK was to start mining in High Sec (because it was safe) and running missions. He spent weeks grinding, working towards his next ship, next skill book... he spend hundreds of hours trying to make a few million ISK. By the end of a month he managed close to 30 million ISK and was flying a barge class ship. One day someone can flipped him, he aggressed, got blown up and lost effectively knocked back to square one.
Me and my other friend instead formed a corp, recruited several members and started running various ops in low sec ops ranging from mining to complexes.. missions. We created a coalition of corps in one system (called Amisiree) with several other mining Corps and we defended the system from pirates very successfully (Noobs calling themselves Goonswarm). By our 3rd week our corp had over 600 million ISK in our corporate wallet as well as considerable wealth of our own. We had some PvP experiances, we had a few mishaps... but we worked as a team, got involved in politics, defended our space and generally sought opertunities that ranged from manufacuring, trade, etc... always as a team, a team that swelled to over 35 daily active players by our second month by which our original friend had long since quit the game.
The point here is that... there is a way to play Eve and there is a way people expect to play Eve. Eve IS an MMO... if your playing it solo, yeah .. you might be successful if you stick it out through the rough waters, certainly I know plenty of people that have.. but you'll never be as successful solo as you could be with a proper crew .. nore will you ever feel safe and protected without a crew.
When Im in formation with 10 of my buddies.. believe me... wether we are mining, tresspassing in wormhole space, or sneaking past low sec pirates... I always feel a hell of a lot safer with them than I do without.
Morale of the story... Get some friends.
Thats how you make Eve Safe and fun while your at it. If your grinding level 1 missions and think their is some kind of wonderful progression along the lines of solo play, trust me, there is nothing there waiting for you but an unfortunate incident from which you will not recover. Your effectively a victim, its just that you haven't aquired enough wealth and success to be victimized yet, but its coming... keep grinding... and the bad people will find you. |

Warpshade
Warped Industries
15
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:00:00 -
[169] - Quote
Thread equals= Stop going to a Burger van to buy hotdogs. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2232
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Posted - 2012.08.16 14:47:00 -
[170] - Quote
If you took the PVP out of Eve, you'd have a rather boring game where you do the same few things over and over again to get isk to buy the ships you're training to fly. What makes Eve's PVE exciting is that you DO have to be on the lookout for threats, and that you're vulnerable to the actions of other players. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
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Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
22
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:20:00 -
[171] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pip Mayo wrote:Jim Era wrote:Pip don't argue. They will eat you alive in here. You are actively partaking in forum PvP. You seem to continue so this may be an indicator that you like it? Possibly try looking up the diplomacy side of EVE...the politics are massive here. I started the discourse. Only responsible to participate. I am burning out as I type, though. It should die out soon enough. I should have defined PvP vs PvE at the begining. I can see it is not as clear as I had thought it. Thanks PM Because it appears that your definition is vaguely different than the communities. Btw, I couldn't help but notice that you never did say where all those evil pvp happenings actually happened. It was low sec wasn't it? You did disregard the little warning box didn't you? Highsec space.
I don't think you are being completely honest here. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:24:00 -
[172] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players.
Uhhh..... *looks around* Have you ever PLAYED the game?!?!?!?! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9130
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:44:00 -
[173] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:The consequences, whatever they were, still did not stop my being attacked and destroyed. They're not meant to. They're only meant to give people enough pause to occasionally not blow up everything they come across. Highsec is all about gambling on the hope that other people's miserliness will keep them form attacking you. Sometimes, that gamble will pay off; other times, it won't; and if you tip the scale so that attacking you does not cost anything, then the odds will quickly fall out of your favourGǪ
Quote:Thus my whole point about EVE not having any PVE environments. I get no warning when I enter highsec space. You get a warning if you read through the new player information and tutorials, where it still states that other players can attack you at any point for no apparent reason (and that's before we even go into the GÇ£everything is PvPGÇ¥ argument). Indeed, this could be made a whole lot clearer, but it's there if you pay attention. At any rate, it's entirely by design and it is not something that will, or even can change without a massive reconstruction from the ground up of the entire game to the point where it is no longer EVE Online.
Quote:The one attack, and biggest hit financially, was at a gate. I understand that was a suicide run? The others were at cosmic points. Does security enter those? Isn't there an aggression timer? Unless you are a legit target by having committed a crime or by being at war, attacking someone in highsec means you get blown up. Period. If you don't, it's an exploit. It doesn't matter where or how GÇö CONCORD demands their pound of flesh everywhere in highsec, be it through lost ships or through wardec fees.
Aggression timers come in a couple of varieties. First, there are the timers that determine for how long you are a legitimate target when you commit smaller offences (theft, mainly). For 15 minutes after such a crime, you are a legit target for the victim. Then there's the GCC GÇö the global criminal countdown for large crimes (ganks) which also last for 15 minutes. During those 15 minutes, you are a free-for-all target and if players don't take you out, CONCORD will but only as long as you are in a ship. Then there are the NPC aggression timers, which are largely inconsequential other than if you **** off one of the NPC corps, in which case their stations will start shooting at you and will not stop until 15 minutes have elapsed since they last saw you. Finally, there are the docking timers, which aren't strictly speaking aggression timers but which are closely tied to them: they just say that for a period of time since you last did something offensive towards another player, you are not allowed to dock or use gates (requiring you to GÇ£deaggressGÇ¥ to make yourself safe).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
24
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:57:00 -
[174] - Quote
I was going to remind everyone who's bashing him for trying to "change" EvE that this was moved from New Cit Q&A, but perhaps there was a reason for that after all. |

Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
672
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:22:00 -
[175] - Quote
It's a PVP oriented game. Sure, I like PVE, but I also know this is first and foremost a PVP oriented game and I use caution accordingly when I undock. You should, too.
Yeah. Sometimes it really is that simple. Bring your possibles. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
277
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:48:00 -
[176] - Quote
ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
WOW talking about throwing newborn Christians to the lions. What are the odds that account will be unsubbed in the next 2 monthly cycles. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
277
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:53:00 -
[177] - Quote
Remnant Madeveda wrote:1/10 troll not even funny really.
Everyone that plays eve, new people, old bitter vets, and hell even the botting miners understand eve is pvp. The market is completely player run therby pvp. The missions and such are pve until another player wants to scan you down then it's pvp. All in all eve is Everyone vs Everyone.
The real troll here was ISD =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
22
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:59:00 -
[178] - Quote
Having the title of one bad guy and the name of a supervillian, shouldn't you be cackling at the prospect of a carebear leaving with his tail between his legs rather than being a carebear about the situation yourself? |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
278
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Posted - 2012.08.16 17:28:00 -
[179] - Quote
Overseer Aliena wrote:Having the title of one bad guy and the name of a supervillian, shouldn't you be cackling at the prospect of a carebear leaving with his tail between his legs rather than being a carebear about the situation yourself?
I guess if I was true to my name instead of watching him leave with tail between legs I should suggest to the OP to go to the Goons recruiters, for a small deposit they'll let him do all the PvE he wants in their special area deeep in SOV where noone is allowed to go PvP  =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
52
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Posted - 2012.08.16 19:58:00 -
[180] - Quote
Obligatory hurling of the insult of "CareBear" to all players who don't pvp. You can be perfectly successful in high/low sec, that is what makes the Eveleetists mad. The "Stop liking the things I don't like!" mentality. |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2398
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Posted - 2012.08.16 21:28:00 -
[181] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:I think the first sign what CCP thought of this idea is when they actually moved a thread TO General Discussion. I did not know such a thing was possible... 
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Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:04:00 -
[182] - Quote
Boooo OP. I'm a mostly solo PVE'er (just because I don't need to worry about anybody but myself in my limited play time sessions). I do not want Eve to be any more PVE oriented. Plenty of mission/COSMOS/exploration content out there if you want to solo PVE, but that isn't what Eve is primarily about. Anybody who wants this game to be more "theme park" or WOW-solo style needs to DIAF. |

Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
63
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:44:00 -
[183] - Quote
Look at the passion and, quite often, the length and thoroughness of some of the explanations in this thread.
Those guys have earned the right to blow my #$%? up, not some NPC dumbwits.
And yes, PvE means Player versus Environment. EVE has that, plenty.
It's PvE in a kindergarten room that it doesn't have. "It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie |

Cozmose
Grumpy Old Farts Of Doom
0
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Posted - 2012.08.16 22:53:00 -
[184] - Quote
The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.
What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
615
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Posted - 2012.08.16 23:45:00 -
[185] - Quote
Cozmose wrote:The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.
What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?
There are plenty of people like me who enjoy surviving despite the odds against us. EVE is not a binary situation. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.16 23:46:00 -
[186] - Quote
EVE never used to be about wow style gaming. Sadly that is changing an changing fast. EVE's attractiveness was the fact it was all for all intents lawless. I can remember my first day in eve many many many years I can flipped a guy an legged it. I was os proud of myself :)... Now EVE is going mainstream sadly an we will see more an more of "CCP" playing the game for you. making it nice an cuddly for everyone...EG PVE/wow players.People dont wanna be responsible for themselves today they want the devs to do it for them. This idiocy about pve players in EVE is just another example of whats happening to the game. |

Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
470
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Posted - 2012.08.16 23:56:00 -
[187] - Quote
it's an MMO. look up what the second M stands for.
If you want a PVE MMO, bo play WoW. |

Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.08.17 00:19:00 -
[188] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:it's an MMO. look up what the second M stands for.
If you want a PVE MMO, bo play WoW. couldn't have put it better |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.08.17 00:23:00 -
[189] - Quote
Hiyora Akachi wrote:Jax Bederen wrote: In other words, throw the newbie to the vultures.
GD isn't populated by vultures. We're obviously wolves.
I was thinking that a few are wolves. There are even a few lions. But for the most part, the majority are hyenas.
As for solo PvE support, they nerfed Incursions, isn't that enough? A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
258
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Posted - 2012.08.17 00:31:00 -
[190] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players.
EVE's niche is being a very competitive PvP game. Yes, there is PvE content, however, it's geared up almost solely to grind-for-ISK... to buy ships to blow up. Almost every area of the game is "PvP" / competitive, even market trading or mining.
There is no "every player that joins gets to follow the same stupid storyline". If you want to play through a storyline that someone else thought up then go read a book, watch a more or play a game designed to be good at that. EVE is not that. It's not supposed to be that.
A lot of people like about EVE is the player-driven experience. It's the stories that the players make that are interesting. Like Mitten's crazy antics with the Goons or the null-sec sagas, or the video's that have come out of Rooks & King's operations.
If you really want an interesting and challenging solo PVE experience try exploration on your own in low sec or w-space using a single-fit ship. That's a challenge and probably the best PVE solo experience I've had in EVE. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
414
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:36:00 -
[191] - Quote
ISD Etetia wrote:Moved from New Citizens Q&A to General Discussion
so... you want this kind of post to get attention... ?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

Seaxe
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
5
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Posted - 2012.08.17 08:11:00 -
[192] - Quote
Just imagine that the environment is made up of players. BAM! PVE. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1062
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:08:00 -
[193] - Quote
Cozmose wrote:The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.
What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?
I'd recommend EVE to them, because PVP is certainly not about causing suffering. It's about working as a team to overcome your opponents, who enjoy the good fight just as much as you. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4470
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Posted - 2012.08.17 12:55:00 -
[194] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:Why is this game built on a PvP environment? There appears to be no place for PvE-only players. Even when joining a corp for support, there has to be PvP elements to prevent PvE activities from being disrupted by PvP players. I am not talking about PvE missions or DED space. I am talking about PvE merchants and miners. Is there such a thing?? Can a player expand as a courier or a miner without PvP support? So far, I cannot find a way to do it.
Everyone with whom I have had contact seems to feel this game is both PvE and PvP, yet they always stipulate you must protect yourself, you must not risk more than you are willing to lose, you should join a corp for protection, etc. Where in there lies a PvE game?
The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
Nope, you have correctly identified that EVE is built and designed on a non-instanced, player-driven competitive interaction model. If you want to unlock EVE's solo PvE mode then I suggest you look here: http://www.amazon.com/X3-The-Reunion-2-0-Pc/dp/B000KDEFO4/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_text_c
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
126
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:03:00 -
[195] - Quote
Cozmose wrote:The thing I find most upsetting ws posted early on in this thread, the assumption that people enjoy inflicting suffering and watching the suffering of their victims.
What about people, surely the vast majority of people, who don't? would you reccomend EVE to them?
If for competitive pvp, not a chance, there are much better games for that, this games pvp is mostly for those who cant hack it in a real competitive environment. For the atmosphere and complexity a big yes.
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Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:07:00 -
[196] - Quote
Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |

Jonah Gravenstein
746
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:16:00 -
[197] - Quote
Rats wrote:Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.
Tal
Yet you can still solo, the biggest corps in the game are the NPC corps, which are full of solo players, and admittedly a metric shedload of alts
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:25:00 -
[198] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rats wrote:Solo play has been against CCP game direction for years, I remember when they first posted that they wanted to force ppl into co-operative play, a sad day.
Tal
Yet you can still solo, the biggest corps in the game are the NPC corps, which are full of solo players, and admittedly a metric shedload of alts
I'm not saying you can't. I have been asking for more for the solo/casual player in the form of content for years, missions for example they have been the same for ever (apart from the keep nerfing the loot and reward), with no luck ...
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |

Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
24
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:46:00 -
[199] - Quote
from a carebear I can tell you, there's plenty of PVE and if you are fimilar with the game mechanics then you can avoid most PVP but there is no such animal as pure PVE not even in trading. welcome to the EVE uni enjoy  |

Halcyon Ingenium
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
168
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:49:00 -
[200] - Quote
Pip Mayo wrote:The game seems handicapped for solo PvE play. I guess maybe there are not enough solo PvE players to make a difference. Can anyone say different?
EVE, being a sandbox game, is in its very nature a social game. It is not so much that solo play is handicapped, but that you handicap yourself by not being social.
They say that in learning the game Go, it is best to lose your first 50 games as soon as possible. This is because Go is complex, and the only way you will start to get an idea of strategy and play is by first sucking and failing as hard as you can. So...In EVE, it is best to get your first 50 deaths by combat as soon as possible. |
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