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WhyTry1
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:07:00 -
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There seems to be alot of people that are getting wrongly accused of RMT by CCP.
And CCP without proof just remove any large ISK people get legit from players claiming they come from 'hacked accounts' or known isk sellers.
What worries me is that firstly there is 10s of billions isk traded everyday people can not vet the whole path this isk has comes from, and you wouldnt, especially if its more than third hand.
CCP will not provide any proof people have done this, just make assumptions and remove whatever isk they feel like, mainly making a -ve wallet thus rendering the account useless.
Even if the isk is got legit, or the person believe its legit CCP wont listen. Even if you provide explanations.
Now another strange thing is, CCP state this is from KNOWN sellers, so why have CCP not banned that account immediately they where KNOWN? but instead allow (if so) more people to be victims of this? Why? Doesnt this seem a little strange?
So basically CCP are removing ISK, accusing ppl of RMT if they get a large ISK transfer WTF!
Whats also strange is the introduction of PLEX. Why? More profit for CCP of course. Even more dubious is that CCP remove the ISK (with no proof), makng -ve balance then tell you to RMT with ISK to get your wallet positive..Hmmm. More profit for CCP
So is this CCP being corrupt? Seem strange they are not removing the KNOWN isk sellers, but then making people buy plex for real money to get back to normal, even if these players have been totally legit.
Whats also a concern is that we all know that mainly Russian alliances, are doing massive RMT, yet CCP does nothing about it..(whether you choose to pretend its not happening, it is) Yet they will pick on the small single player and remove his isk and then make him pay for it again.
Im sorry but this is all a bit dodgy to me, and CCP act as if they can do whatever they like, with no consequence and behind this EULA rubbish, and not provide and reasonable explanation. You can flame all you like, there are alot of innocent victims out there, *as yes there are ppl that do buy isk too im not denying that) but this is getting out of hand, and ok if CCP are being legit, then why are they not removing KNOWN hackers, and isk sellers immediately, also its like the world gone mad they have gone overboard and well for me personally ive had enough and after a few years playing will not be renewing my accounts, as its become a joke, being wrongly accused is not acceptable to me, and hey ill spend my money elsewhere. Eve isn't what it used to be anyway by a long way.
CCP are knowingly allowing RMT to happen, and wont do anything about it, they know who is doing it, yet do nothing about it. but remove isk from innocent people, who may have received this 10th hand or something stupid!
haters hate, flamers flame,but we know its happening (ignore it if you want) and you cant have my stuff either..
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:09:00 -
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tl;dr: OP got busted for RMT and is crying about it and claiming he didn't do it.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:13:00 -
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CCP find one RMT seller, then ban him and everyone ever associated with him.
Looks like you got caught with him.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:13:00 -
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 Originally by: WhyTry1
CCP act as if they can do whatever they like
Funny you should say that, seeing as they actually CAN do whatever they like.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:16:00 -
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CCP will not provide any proof people have done this, just make assumptions and remove whatever isk they feel like, mainly making a -ve wallet thus rendering the account useless.
Even if the isk is got legit, or the person believe its legit CCP wont listen. Even if you provide explanations.
In terms of text chat to other players in game, the logs actually do show something.
The reason they don't tell you how they know is because many people in MMOs aren't smart enough to figure that out.
My Warmest Regards.
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WhyTry1
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: WhyTry1
CCP act as if they can do whatever they like
Funny you should say that, seeing as they actually CAN do whatever they like.
Again thats the problem, this arrogance. So for that minus a few accounts for CCP, and i know ppl are leaving all the time.So for me its no biggie, rather pay my cash to a non corrupt company. More fool you I say. Soon eve will just be full of RMTers like its getting now.
And to the others, believe what you like, these were the posts i expected so keep posting.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: WhyTry1
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: WhyTry1
CCP act as if they can do whatever they like
Funny you should say that, seeing as they actually CAN do whatever they like.
Again thats the problem, this arrogance. So for that minus a few accounts for CCP, and i know ppl are leaving all the time.So for me its no biggie, rather pay my cash to a non corrupt company. More fool you I say. Soon eve will just be full of RMTers like its getting now.
And to the others, believe what you like, these were the posts i expected so keep posting.
WAAAH EVE IS DIEING FIX RMT AND MACRO MINERS OR I UNSUB MY 40 ACCOUNTS
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:24:00 -
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lol, CCP trying to make money! ZOMG NO!!!! 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: WhyTry1
these were the posts i expected so keep posting.
Well i expected you to expect them.
My Warmest Regards.
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WhyTry1
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
lol, CCP trying to make money! ZOMG NO!!!!
Well i dont have a problem with that, what i do have a problem with is CCP removing ISK and falsely accusing people of RMT, then making them buy plex to get their account back to normal. Especially when CCP state this from KNOWN hackers, and isk sellers, and they havent removed them,, Dont you think, theres something wrong with that? Thats not right. But anyway nothing more to say on the matter.
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WhyTry1
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: WhyTry1
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: WhyTry1
CCP act as if they can do whatever they like
Funny you should say that, seeing as they actually CAN do whatever they like.
Again thats the problem, this arrogance. So for that minus a few accounts for CCP, and i know ppl are leaving all the time.So for me its no biggie, rather pay my cash to a non corrupt company. More fool you I say. Soon eve will just be full of RMTers like its getting now.
And to the others, believe what you like, these were the posts i expected so keep posting.
WAAAH EVE IS DIEING FIX RMT AND MACRO MINERS OR I UNSUB MY 40 ACCOUNTS
Ah you got it wrong sir. i personally dont have a problem with RMT or macros to be honest, my problem is CCP clearly support it, falsely accuse the little people, remove isk, and then make them PAY WITH REAL MONEY for Plex that CCP then profits from.. Thats what bothers me son..
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Th155
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:32:00 -
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Just saying, they wouldn't remove ISK from account unless there was some suspicious activity in it, which basically means someone must have put a large amount of ISK in to your account. So come out and tell CCP (or this thread, whichever you prefer) why someone would suddenly decide to give you a large amount of ISK.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:35:00 -
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They can trace the isk that was bought, and even if it's passed on through six different hands, it is removed. So anyone who spent some of it along the way gets caught out, tough luck really. As for banning them, how do you know they didn't ban the person that did the original RMT? Unless you know who that person was .. in which case I'd suspect you must have had something to do with the RMT in the first place, right? ;D
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:52:00 -
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THIS is why I make an effort not to accumulate too much isk. Attracts the attention of the wrong crowd. One minute you're buying a Nyx, the next thing you know, you're waking up in your pod with a known isk seller.
KB
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.04 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Aunty Nora on 04/01/2011 01:54:44
Hahaha
you really must be stupid if you buy ISK from a RMT when there is a legal way to do it
lol
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.04 02:17:00 -
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Dear OP,
People would be more sympathetic to your cause if all the people who complained about being "collateral damage" before you didn't turn out to have connections to several dozen characters whose names were created by the face-roll-on-keyboard algorithm. Seriously, all of the people who came to the forums whining about this ended up being involved with RMT in one way or another. In one event, someone researched the OP's corporation members, and it turned out virtually all of them were ice mining macro characters.
So if you really ARE innocent, don't come to the forums about it. You will get VERY LITTLE sympathy here. We have had too many ISK sellers say the exact same thing you have and we are quite tired of it. Instead, file a petition and escalate it. Keep a calm tone, never use "angry" words and never insult the people reading/taking care of your petition. Consider the possibility that your account was hacked or otherwise compromised.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: WhyTry1
There seems to be alot of people that are getting wrongly accused of RMT by CCP.
Actually no. There are a lot of people running bots that CCP wont touch because they don't want to risk banning a legit player.
RMT ISK on the other hand, CCP will crack down on, hard. Bots only break an EULA CCP created themselfs. RMTers break actual laws and is not something any company wants in their game. Just look at the amount of crap Blizzard has to go through because of the extreme amount of RMT going on in that game.
And it is perfectly normal for them to let a known ISK seller/hacked account do its thing for while, to catch anyone who is providing and buying ISK.
Way too much crying about the greedy company, and too little denying that you bought ISK tbh. You don't even deny you got the ISK, only ***** about why CCP didn't close him down sooner. Well, now you know 
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:14:00 -
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i was wrongly accused of macrotrading and permabanned some time last year.
i had to lick arses, disclose private info about myself and escalate the case for more than a month til they withdrew the ban.
whats bothering me is that ccp has absolute power of sometimes thousands of manhours of effort that flows into a char during the years (playing since beta here) there is nothing a player can do if ccp sticks to its wrong decision. the fact that they can hide behind their eula and do tous whatever they want is disturbing. a rl company acting that way would be bancrupted within days.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2
a rl company acting that way would be bancrupted within days.
CCP is a RL company last time I checked. Based in Iceland and everything.
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:32:00 -
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yeah mr forum wiseguy. u know exactly what i meant. a company that behaves in this way with its rl customers without cover of a shady eula.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:47:00 -
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The EULA is a contract between you and CCP. You cannot play Eve without agreeing to its terms. Would you sign a contract that said "We will perform this service for $x a month, but at any time and for whatever reason we like, we can take your money and run"? Of course not. But by agreeing to the EULA, you have basically done exactly that, and thus you have no-one but yourself to blame for not reading it before agreeing to it.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
but at any time and for whatever reason we like, we can take your money and run"?
What exactly is that money they would run with? You mean the money you already payed and got your playtime for?
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.04 03:58:00 -
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oh hey look, the monthly "I didn't doooo eeet!" thread.
didn't work before, won't work now bud, so stop trying.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.04 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2
yeah mr forum wiseguy. u know exactly what i meant. a company that behaves in this way with its rl customers without cover of a shady eula.
No, actually I have absolutely no idea what you mean. Most RL companies do behave exactly this way - right up to the line that is "as much as they can get away with". That point varies by the market the company competes in, and the perceived value of it's services since people are generally willing to put up with more BS from a company they think provides them more value for their money.
One only needs to look at the airline industry to see this is true.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.04 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
tl;dr: OP got busted for RMT and is crying about it and claiming he didn't do it.
Incorrect.
OP is whining about the number of people OP perceives as having been unfairly banned for RMT. OP is not claiming that they were banned for RMT. In other words, OP is trolling on behalf of the people who cannot troll.
I'm only posting in this thread because Liang and De'Veldrin fed the trolls and I need to put an end to this foolishness :)
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.04 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
One only needs to look at the airline industry to see this is true.
case in point: Ryanair?
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Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:31:00 -
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anyone who didn't RMT and got falsely accused will prob take it to the highest GM there is and stand by the 'not guilty' point.
Anyone else doesn't follow through and can't back it up as CCP will have the evidence that they indeed are involved. And it's not hard to believe that many players don't think along the lines of 'RMT=bad' within the current RL economic environment, the proliferation of bots and the latest posts about how someone is entitled to earn money from playing Eve.
So either you got numbers and names OP, or you can go and shove this up your end.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.01.04 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 04/01/2011 06:01:21
wich amuses me is that in the 6 to 7 years i been playing i been trading several millions even billions across several of my accounts and even trial and friend accounts without any justification or even adding any reason on the money transfer other than gift or debt.
I never was wrongly accused, neither anyone i know (either hardcore carebear or pvper) has been falsely punished by this, still from time to time someone appear and complains.
For the general amusement of the older players
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.04 08:29:00 -
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[tinfoilhat]OP is CCP alt trying to convince us that CCP is actually fighting RMT.[/tinfoilhat]
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:03:00 -
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The only way anyone will believe you is if you request full disclosure from the GMs on the forums. Otherwise, you bought ISK.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ziaxi
The only way anyone will believe you is if you request full disclosure from the GMs on the forums. Otherwise, you bought ISK.
This, please request full disclosure in the forums.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ziaxi
The only way anyone will believe you is if you request full disclosure from the GMs on the forums. Otherwise, you bought ISK.
I wish more people did this. It has always made for such epic pwnage so far. 
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:17:00 -
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What i got 50 bill from my good friend okjhakjfnabnfboabasdj when he had to quit the game. Honest!
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Rian O'Shea
Stratos Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Ziaxi
The only way anyone will believe you is if you request full disclosure from the GMs on the forums. Otherwise, you bought ISK.
This, please request full disclosure in the forums.
Yeah, we could do with another public lynching provided by CCP themselves.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:27:00 -
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From a legal perspective, I must say that I'm indeed a little worried about the way CCP accuses/bans people. I mean, if you engaged in RMT, you're going down -- as you should. But like with any accused in any civilized system of Law, there ought to be a way to defend yourself, prior to CCP pronouncing a guilty verdict. Basically we trust them, almost implicitly, because of the old "They wouldn't just ban you if you were innocent!" mantra. But when CCP starts making mistakes -- and it would seem they really do, from time to time -- then it becomes bothersome. Yes, it's just a game; but it's also something people pour subscription fees into, every month. So it's not all that unreasonable that people should at least be granted a fair hearing.
Fat chance of it happening, of course, but I wouldn't mind if the CSM brought up the issue one day.
P.S. I occassionally send large amounts of money to an indy alt of mine. Usually so she can buy stuff for me, and transport it with the Orca; or some other perfectly legit reason. I always hope CCP is so clever as to grasp that these are alts of mine, paid with the same credit card, and played from the same IP address. But I'd hate to think I could become the victim of CCP's wanton banning hammer one day, and be stuck without a means to defend myself. And I'm just seeing too many people claiming to be falsely accused, of late.
At the very least I can only urge CCP to be fair about banning people, and to not just assume guilt.
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Rian O'Shea
Stratos Manufacturing and Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.04 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
From a legal perspective, I must say that I'm indeed a little worried about the way CCP accuses/bans people. I mean, if you engaged in RMT, you're going down -- as you should. But like with any accused in any civilized system of Law, there ought to be a way to defend yourself, prior to CCP pronouncing a guilty verdict. Basically we trust them, almost implicitly, because of the old "They wouldn't just ban you if you were innocent!" mantra. But when CCP starts making mistakes -- and it would seem they really do, from time to time -- then it becomes bothersome. Yes, it's just a game; but it's also something people pour subscription fees into, every month. So it's not all that unreasonable that people should at least be granted a fair hearing.
Fat chance of it happening, of course, but I wouldn't mind if the CSM brought up the issue one day.
P.S. I occassionally send large amounts of money to an indy alt of mine. Usually so she can buy stuff for me, and transport it with the Orca; or some other perfectly legit reason. I always hope CCP is so clever as to grasp that these are alts of mine, paid with the same credit card, and played from the same IP address. But I'd hate to think I could become the victim of CCP's wanton banning hammer one day, and be stuck without a means to defend myself. And I'm just seeing too many people claiming to be falsely accused, of late.
At the very least I can only urge CCP to be fair about banning people, and to not just assume guilt.
I bolded the important bit, you (and lots of people) have transferred billions upon billions between alts, friends and corp members. Yet, magically, never get accused of RMT or the like. the only situation I ever heard of was a production corp who's CEO had bought isk "injecting" it into the corp buying BPO's and all that, thus infecting his corp members as (per normal) there's all kinds of isk streams going back and forth in such a corp. Afaik, CCP removed the isk and items bought with said isk but left it at that.
While I'm no "trust the government" type I DO trust CCP in this simply because they're VERY careful with banning (as someone pointed out in this thread) to make sure they don't accidentally get the wrong guy. IF you get accused/caught there's an an overwhelming case going against you.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rian O'Shea
I bolded the important bit, you (and lots of people) have transferred billions upon billions between alts, friends and corp members. Yet, magically, never get accused of RMT or the like. the only situation I ever heard of was a production corp who's CEO had bought isk "injecting" it into the corp buying BPO's and all that, thus infecting his corp members as (per normal) there's all kinds of isk streams going back and forth in such a corp. Afaik, CCP removed the isk and items bought with said isk but left it at that.
While I'm no "trust the government" type I DO trust CCP in this simply because they're VERY careful with banning (as someone pointed out in this thread) to make sure they don't accidentally get the wrong guy. IF you get accused/caught there's an an overwhelming case going against you.
Well, that's a least a reassurance. :)
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:21:00 -
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You know, we all know that you RMT'ed.
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ranka Mei
From a legal perspective.......... blah blah
You're comparing a game with real life mechanics?
The world is the world because we made it so. More complexity as time went by.
In EvE, CCP are God. They can do whatever they want with your eve-life.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Ranka Mei
From a legal perspective.......... blah blah
You're comparing a game with real life mechanics?
The world is the world because we made it so. More complexity as time went by.
In EvE, CCP are God. They can do whatever they want with your eve-life.
What you apparently fail to see, is that real-life money is involved with playing EVE. Whenever that is the case, it behooves any decent company to make their banning decisions based on something ever-so slightly better than simply "We are GOD."
Also, just because they *can* do anything they want, doesn't mean they *should*, or that it's reasonable to do so.
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Wiki Leaks
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:47:00 -
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This is your own fault for not cheating in ways CCP approve of.
Get your own GM account.
Get your own macrobots.
Sell your own ISK.
Stop buying ISK. Buying ISK is verboten.
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Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.04 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Ziaxi
The only way anyone will believe you is if you request full disclosure from the GMs on the forums. Otherwise, you bought ISK.
This, please request full disclosure in the forums.
Go ahead, ask for full public investigation. You know you want to - being innocent and all that.
Otherwise - it's not a rocket science. Dont buy isk. Is it really THAT hard to understand ?
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Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
tl;dr: OP got busted for RMT and is crying about it and claiming he didn't do it.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 11:34:00 -
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My New Year's Resolution was to stop looking at GD.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: WhyTry1
i personally dont have a problem with RMT or macros to be honest
Obviously not...
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: laksmi2
i was wrongly accused of macrotrading and permabanned some time last year.
i had to lick arses, disclose private info about myself and escalate the case for more than a month til they withdrew the ban.
whats bothering me is that ccp has absolute power of sometimes thousands of manhours of effort that flows into a char during the years (playing since beta here) there is nothing a player can do if ccp sticks to its wrong decision. the fact that they can hide behind their eula and do tous whatever they want is disturbing. a rl company acting that way would be bancrupted within days.
Actually they can not with a good lawyer you can sue. EULA is not the end of all your rights and if it breaks customer protection law those supersede what ever Eula there is.
Also there is a the possibility to sue them in the US since they have Atlanta office which if the lawyer is good can succeed since US legal system is more flexible.
There is always ways although most folks not going to go through so much hassle because of a game but if you are determined enough you can try 
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Amarr
Originally by: laksmi2
i was wrongly accused of macrotrading and permabanned some time last year.
i had to lick arses, disclose private info about myself and escalate the case for more than a month til they withdrew the ban.
whats bothering me is that ccp has absolute power of sometimes thousands of manhours of effort that flows into a char during the years (playing since beta here) there is nothing a player can do if ccp sticks to its wrong decision. the fact that they can hide behind their eula and do tous whatever they want is disturbing. a rl company acting that way would be bancrupted within days.
Actually they can not with a good lawyer you can sue. EULA is not the end of all your rights and if it breaks customer protection law those supersede what ever Eula there is.
Also there is a the possibility to sue them in the US since they have Atlanta office which if the lawyer is good can succeed since US legal system is more flexible.
There is always ways although most folks not going to go through so much hassle because of a game but if you are determined enough you can try
Don't encourage him. Even though a EULA doesn't precede the law, he doesn't have any basis to stand on if he makes a claim. It's still a contract and a pretty standard contract to boot in this case with no failure from CCP to deliver what it promised, so he has no chance in hell of succeeding.
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Tertiacero
Caldari
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Ohh, another one of these threads, apparently filled with alt posts and everything
Oh yeah. These always end well
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:56:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
I'm only posting in this thread because Liang and De'Veldrin fed the trolls and I need to put an end to this foolishness :)
At least this one is half amusing. I got to bash the airline industry and laugh at stupid people all at once.
That's like going green right? I get a carbon credit or something?
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:59:00 -
[50]
Quote:
From a legal perspective, I must say that I'm indeed a little worried about the way CCP accuses/bans people.
hahaha
Obviously a stupid yank
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Tychus
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:12:00 -
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Me and a few corpies have exchanged hundreds of Billions of isk for various tasks over the years and never had any problems. It must be you m8. I suspect never having anything to do with RMT helps. Or maybe it is me. Tell ya what, send me your isk and i'll report it to CCP as a suspicious transaction. If the GM's don't take it away it must be clean.
oh come on, my Erebus fund needs help.
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sarah mcjimmy
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:28:00 -
[52]
Just wondering, if I ask someone for a ransom of eg 20 million ISK and they've been doing RMT, does that mean I can have the money taken from me? Would I be tarred with the same brush just for handling 'dirty' ISK without realising?
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Ranka Mei
From a legal perspective.......... blah blah
You're comparing a game with real life mechanics?
The world is the world because we made it so. More complexity as time went by.
In EvE, CCP are God. They can do whatever they want with your eve-life.
What you apparently fail to see, is that real-life money is involved with playing EVE. Whenever that is the case, it behooves any decent company to make their banning decisions based on something ever-so slightly better than simply "We are GOD."
Also, just because they *can* do anything they want, doesn't mean they *should*, or that it's reasonable to do so.
You can play righteous all you want, but CCP still are in charge, even though we're giving them money.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, don't pretend that bringing morals in will justify just about anything you say.
CCP are God in this game, accept it. They can instaban anyone, and don't need to give a reason.
According to most MMO's. You're merely just "leasing" the game for a license with your subscription.
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Hivsen Ng
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:47:00 -
[54]
Originally by: WhyTry1
Ah you got it wrong sir. i personally dont have a problem with RMT or macros to be honest, my problem is CCP clearly support it, falsely accuse the little people, remove isk, and then make them PAY WITH REAL MONEY for Plex that CCP then profits from.. Thats what bothers me son..
TL;DR
I dun have a probs with RMT, that's why I did it
I heard CCP don't interfere and CLEARLY support it as seen here here and here, then I went and bought ISK.
Now CCP has removed my ISK and set me with a negative balance, and I can't play anymore.
Why can other people get away with it, but not me... I shall rant on forums and speak ill of CCP. I will talk about PLEX, that will start getting them to rip at each other.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:53:00 -
[55]
Originally by: sarah mcjimmy
Just wondering, if I ask someone for a ransom of eg 20 million ISK and they've been doing RMT, does that mean I can have the money taken from me? Would I be tarred with the same brush just for handling 'dirty' ISK without realising?
Yes. If CCP tracks the dirty ISK to you, they will (afaik) remove it.
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:05:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Taedrin on 04/01/2011 16:07:40
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Ranka Mei
From a legal perspective.......... blah blah
You're comparing a game with real life mechanics?
The world is the world because we made it so. More complexity as time went by.
In EvE, CCP are God. They can do whatever they want with your eve-life.
What you apparently fail to see, is that real-life money is involved with playing EVE. Whenever that is the case, it behooves any decent company to make their banning decisions based on something ever-so slightly better than simply "We are GOD."
Also, just because they *can* do anything they want, doesn't mean they *should*, or that it's reasonable to do so.
You can play righteous all you want, but CCP still are in charge, even though we're giving them money.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, don't pretend that bringing morals in will justify just about anything you say.
CCP are God in this game, accept it. They can instaban anyone, and don't need to give a reason.
According to most MMO's. You're merely just "leasing" the game for a license with your subscription.
Actually, this is not necessarily true. EULAs have not been thoroughly legally tested. If EULAs are so enforceable,then why do corporations use a clause that says "and if any part of the EULA is illegal, you agree to ignore the illegal part and be bound to the legal part"?
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Yes. If CCP tracks the dirty ISK to you, they will (afaik) remove it.
Not necessarily true. CCP will reverse player donations, but will NOT reverse legitimate market transactions, unless it is OBVIOUS that the transaction was used to launder ISK (example, 1 piece of trit sold for billions of ISK, or etc...)
IIRC, CCP *HAS* in the past removed ransom money, and I think even removed loot due to RMT.
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:09:00 -
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Those who buy isk usually get it removed only, usually resulting in a negative wallet balance as your punishment.
ISK sellers or repeat offenders get the bans. So if you've been caught once or twice, you'll get banned. So if your corp mate, friend, brother, sister, or even girlfriend's left toe get banned, you know they've been caught at least once before.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:13:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 04/01/2011 16:14:33
Originally by: Taedrin
Actually, this is not necessarily true. EULAs have not been thoroughly legally tested. If EULAs are so enforceable,then why do corporations use a clause that says "and if any part of the EULA is illegal, you agree to ignore the illegal part and be bound to the legal part"?
They do that so they don't have to check up on laws for every state/country and write up a different EULA for each.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:19:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Ranger 1 on 04/01/2011 16:24:32
So far, in the few times when a gaming companies EULA has come under legal scrutiny, the EULA has been upheld (despite urban myths to the contrary).
Gentlemen, despite feelings to the contrary , EVE is a luxury... not an essential service. As such they are fully entitled to deny service to anyone who (in their opinion) is in violation of any part of their Terms of Service.
Of course, it behooves them to make fair and informed judgements in these situations. But to be honest they could ban a person for giving them a dirty look if they so desired... as long as it is at least loosely covered in their EULA.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:21:00 -
[60]
Originally by: WhyTry1
Now another strange thing is, CCP state this is from KNOWN sellers, so why have CCP not banned that account immediately they where KNOWN? but instead allow (if so) more people to be victims of this? Why? Doesnt this seem a little strange?
This part is awesome if true, I mean leaving the sellers behind and banning (permaban i hope) the buyers who are a major reason there are sellers in the first place, thats just golden
p.s.
the other reason is a slow and/or boring game and general ****tards
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:24:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 04/01/2011 16:14:33
Originally by: Taedrin
Actually, this is not necessarily true. EULAs have not been thoroughly legally tested. If EULAs are so enforceable,then why do corporations use a clause that says "and if any part of the EULA is illegal, you agree to ignore the illegal part and be bound to the legal part"?
They do that so they don't have to check up on laws for every state/country and write up a different EULA for each.
Well, see, here's the rub with that.
In many States, if any part of the binding agreement is illegal, the entire binding agreement is illegal, and hence, non-enforceable.
These are indeed untested waters.
Give it time, though. Sooner or later some entitlement junkie with deep pockets and a lawyer as a relative will give it a go.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:57:00 -
[62]
Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Give it time, though. Sooner or later some entitlement junkie with deep pockets and a lawyer as a relative will give it a go.
Of course, they'll have to file in Iceland, unless they want their first battle to be over this part of the EULA:
Originally by: EULA
The sole and exclusive forum for resolving any controversy, dispute or claim arising out of or relating to the EULA, or otherwise relating to any rights in, access to or use of the Software, System, Game, Game Content, User Content and/or the rights and obligations of the parties hereto, shall be the District Court of Reykjavfk, Iceland, (HTra=sd=mur Reykjavfkur). You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjavfk, Iceland.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Ranka Mei
(...) Also, just because they *can* do anything they want, doesn't mean they *should*, or that it's reasonable to do so.
You can play righteous all you want, but CCP still are in charge, even though we're giving them money.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda, don't pretend that bringing morals in will justify just about anything you say.
CCP are God in this game, accept it. They can instaban anyone, and don't need to give a reason.
It's not a matter of morality, but one of simple practicality. Just because CCP stick a sign on their door that reads: "We reserve the right," doesn't mean they'll act totally irrationally, or arbitrarily ban players. It just means that: when it comes down to any game decision, they reserve the final say. So, even with CCP in undisputed charge, I think it's safe to say they are acting within reason, for their own sake. If not, people would soon start leaving the game en masse -- because, unlike the hoops an alleged real God makes us jump thru, these 'gods' we can actually walk away from. :)
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:28:00 -
[64]
5/10 for Russian RMT ban troll.
Because the EVE community was primed for it!
Good job sir, Good job!
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 17:32:00 -
[65]
Originally by: WhyTry1
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: WhyTry1
CCP act as if they can do whatever they like
Funny you should say that, seeing as they actually CAN do whatever they like.
Again thats the problem, this arrogance. So for that minus a few accounts for CCP, and i know ppl are leaving all the time.So for me its no biggie, rather pay my cash to a non corrupt company. More fool you I say. Soon eve will just be full of RMTers like its getting now.
And to the others, believe what you like, these were the posts i expected so keep posting.
If you actually read the Terms of Service, it does state what they can do. I think you're just ****ed and ignorant.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:41:00 -
[66]
LOL! Another one buying RMT isk or doing RMT gets busted and whines on forum.
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:44:00 -
[67]
Originally by: BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Edited by: Widemouth Deepthroat on 04/01/2011 16:14:33
Originally by: Taedrin
Actually, this is not necessarily true. EULAs have not been thoroughly legally tested. If EULAs are so enforceable,then why do corporations use a clause that says "and if any part of the EULA is illegal, you agree to ignore the illegal part and be bound to the legal part"?
They do that so they don't have to check up on laws for every state/country and write up a different EULA for each.
Well, see, here's the rub with that.
In many States, if any part of the binding agreement is illegal, the entire binding agreement is illegal, and hence, non-enforceable.
These are indeed untested waters.
Give it time, though. Sooner or later some entitlement junkie with deep pockets and a lawyer as a relative will give it a go.
US ******o legal system dont work in the rest of the world. A judge would laugh, dismiss the case and hand you the bill.
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Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:50:00 -
[68]
This thread is going somewhere! Now all we need to do is have the OP request full public disclosure from CCP... 
-Liang
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Feligast
Minmatar
Intentionally Destructive
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:07:00 -
[69]
Originally by: WhyTry1
Whats also a concern is that we all know that mainly Russian alliances, are doing massive RMT, yet CCP does nothing about it..(whether you choose to pretend its not happening, it is) Yet they will pick on the small single player and remove his isk and then make him pay for it again.
So you bought your ISK in the first place is what you're saying, right?
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Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:46:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
This thread is going somewhere! Now all we need to do is have the OP request full public disclosure from CCP...
-Liang
I hear that requesting full disclosure is the surest way to get unbanned!
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:50:00 -
[71]
Locked as there's already an RMT discussion here.
If you aren't satisfied with the resolution of an issue you can always request that it be looked at by a Senior GM. You can do this by replying to the petition asking for one.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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