Besides stating the obvious, command ships can easily fit a gang link while maintaing good combat strength. You'll just have to make some choices.

The way to go about this isn't to just kill off-grid boosting overnight - anyone who actually knows anything about boosting wouldn't even think to suggest this. I'm not gonna waste time going into the complex details as most of the opponents to off-grid boosting aren't interested in that and just want something gone that they don't have the ingenuity to deal with and/or don't want to have to put the effort in to fight at the same level.

P.S: The same goes for small gangs, if you don't want to risk a T3/CS then boost from a standard BC, get half the boni and be happy with that.

What if CCP removed the fleet booster restrictions and allowed every ship with an active gang link to contribute to the total fleet boost (in a way that the highest link in each category counts) together with making boosts on-grid ?

The CSM fully agreed with CCP Ytterbium that off grid boosting should not exist. I guess they are all clueless in your view?

Won't you enlighten us with the complex details on why nobody with a clue would ever suggest to kill off grid boosting?

Thats a good point actually its very easy to forget regular BCs can run a ganglink or 2.

Yeah, with like no bonuses at all. Making them extremely weak.

The CSM fully agreed with CCP Ytterbium that off grid boosting should not exist. I guess they are all clueless in your view?

Won't you enlighten us with the complex details on why nobody with a clue would ever suggest to kill off grid boosting?

2 aspects to this, one as mentioned above the CSM has a good majority of representation from people who have fleet sizes where having on-grid boosters is perfectly feasible and infact to their advantage and also acknowledging that it should not exist isn't the same as saying it should be removed - I think it was wrong it was implemented in this way in the first place but given how its developed its an entirely different matter to say it should be removed.

2 aspects to this, one as mentioned above the CSM has a good majority of representation from people who have fleet sizes where having on-grid boosters is perfectly feasible and infact to their advantage to remove off-grid boosting and also acknowledging that it should not exist isn't the same as saying it should be removed - I think it was wrong it was implemented in this way in the first place but given how its developed its an entirely different matter to say it should be removed.

I'm still waiting for the reasons as to why removing it would be bad. So far you have only said that

1) The CSM is biased

2) Off grid boosting developed in a certain way (which way? why does this make it a bad idea to remove off grid boosting?)

Keep the 5% bonus for T3s, limit their boosting to like 5 pilots.

Because when offgrid boosting is removed, the small gangs will have no chance against the blob with claymore who goes faster, points longer, aligns faster, and has 2 RR repping the claymore.

Small gangs warfare is already about to die, and this is just another unneeded buff to mindless blobbing.

When offgrid boosting is removed, the pilots without a boosting alt will have a chance to engage more targets.

my idea:

ships that are not on-grid with your link ship get partial bonuses

Because when offgrid boosting is removed, the small gangs will have no chance against the blob with claymore who goes faster, points longer, aligns faster, and has 2 RR repping the claymore.


Small gangs warfare is already about to die, and this is just another unneeded buff to mindless blobbing.

nullsec is blob vs blob, deal with it, its been like that for long time, small ganag in nullsec is to hit and run not to fight head on with a blob, i say ccp should fix this gang boosting to make only give bonus when it present WITH the fleet not in SS somewhere or pos, if they want bonus they have to risk it

Could you explain further how this would kill small gang warfare, I don't really see your point ?

Post with your main please. Unless ofcourse this is your main and in which case i would say how could you have the experience needed to understand what offgrid boosts mean to small gang pvp? I understand you only have 32 kills and 60 or so losses but you really should understand where some other pvpers are coming from through experience and not just, I hate offgrid boosters cause they can't take damage!, be a man!"

Dude some of us like to pvp outnumbered, or at least like having the ability to compete in pvp outnumbered since we find ourselves outnumbered very often. It's what makes Eve fun, that adrenaline rush during pvp. Now if an offgrid booster gives my gang of 10 the edge it needs to engage a gang of 60 or 70 then how is that imbalaced? If anything it helps to put Eve pvp back into balance.

The blob won't always win because of raw numbers anymore. If you force those boosters ongrid, it won't last 20 seconds, we all know that, but what we are really talking about here is if the small gang can successfully engage the big gang then the big gang must have inexperience, low sp player, pvp'ers with no imagination or intuitive thinking to counter those boosts.

In either case I say learn the game from someone who has some experience and stop whining about mechanics that were put in place rightfully so by CCP to help balance small gang vs. big gang pvp.

And small gangs can't "hit and run" like you say if the blob is getting bonuses while they aren't.

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brain-barf edit: GǪin fact, in a sense, if you'd want to go that way, the solution would probably have to be rather backwards: you reduce the boost they give overall so that losing one won't make that much difference, but then we immediately go into Gǣso why bring one?Gǥ territory. I suppose you could fix that issue by making them generally appealing to fly for anyone, even the fleet CSes, so that the actual boosters can hide in the crowd of all those other people flying the same ship, only those others have filled up all their highs with tons of weaponry instead of command modules.

Another uninformed post by a pilot with no kills and two losses.

Null-sec is not just blob vs blob. You are wrong.

And small gangs can't "hit and run" like you say if the blob is getting bonuses while they aren't.

You know, people actually used combat fitted Claymores for fast gangs before off grid boosting became popular. I know because I flew in them.

All your ideas about off grid boosting being REQUIRED for solo and small gang pvp are just fantasy.

And you completely ignore the deleterious effects of off grid boosters elsewhere.

I don't think I presented my views very clearly and probably misinterpreted the angle some people are coming from.

I not against removing off-grid boosting as such, I just see a lot of people who want it gone at any cost with no interest in what impact that has to gangboosting - if it killed it entirely that would be all the better for them

The loki struggles to fit 3x links and you can't spare any fitting for guns or any other useful mods, most of its slots are taken up with fitting modules and to get any kind of tank and propulsion on it means throwing a lot of ISK on pimp.