If you actually went to lowsec and did FW where a good portion of kills are solo kills, you'll quickly discover that there are many people with an off grid boosting alt that you cannot win against unless you bring your own off grid boosting alt.

How do people deal with that?

- They stop flying solo and start flying in gangs.
- They start avoiding fights with pilots they know have an off grid booster alt.
- They get their own off grid booster alt just to stay on the same level.
- They stop pvp'ing in disgust.

This is how off grid boosters are killing real small scale pvp.

you cant be serious right? please ok? my point in this problem is if they want a fleet bonus they have to have that ship present with the fleet, so you or anyone decide to kill it atleast u can, as of right now you dont have that option.

I have to ask, as a noob, but how is it balanced to allow a 10 man fleet be as powerful as a 30 man fleet?

1st argument: "If off grid boosting is no longer possible, then small gangs won't have gang links anymore."

No ****, they were designed to be that way. Bringing a fully fledged fleet booster only makes sense for gangs of a certain size.

Besides stating the obvious, command ships and battlcruisers can easily fit a gang link while maintaing good combat strength. You'll just have to make some choices.

2nd argument: "Removing off grid boosting will hurt solo and small gang pvp."

The existence of off grid boosting divides the playing field into two groups: those who have an off grid booster and those who don't. The first group is massively advantaged. This is not good for the health of solo and small gang PvP.

Removing the advantage will level the playing field and allow more players to compete on even ground (and that's precisely what some of these off grid boosting alts are afraid of).

Addendum: a popular variation of this argument is "gang links let us fight the blob". While gang links are a force multiplier, it goes both ways: a gang without an off grid booster is heavily disadvantaged when facing an equally sized gang with such a booster.

4th argument: "Off grid boosting is not wrong per se"

Off grid boosters directly influence the outcome of a battle without ever being present on grid. Every other ship in EVE must be present on grid to do the same (the one exception are fighters, but they can be shot down). Off grid boosting is clearly outside of the normal combat paradigm.

So what, removing OGBs won't solve anything.

If that guy loses his OGB he will just get a falcon alt, or a neutral RR alt, or just bait you into getting blobbed.

How do you deal with a falcon if you are solo and one appears and permajams you? You don't.

The problem here isn't OGBs, its the fact that people can buy alts to help them and that will never change... OGB nerf or not, people who appear "solo" will always trick you into traps.

True solo pvp is hard, it was never meant to be easy. Removing OGBs won't make it any easier for you.




And this isn't the stuff I was talking about. I'm more worried about what will happen to the small gangs of pilots who like to fight outnumbered vs blobs. Now that is a true challenge and very fun if you pull it off. And the OGB is a MAJOR part of them being able to do something like this without 100% failing every time.

If OGBs are removed then this style of small gang pvp is also doomed. That is what I'm worried about.




Another uninformed post. You are just proving my point that all these arguments are made by people that have no clue what they are saying.

OGBs ARE killable, they can be scanned down and killed. That is a VERY viable option and it happens more than you think.

You're over dramatizing. I played before OGB became popular and gangboosting was just doing fine back then. You actually had to make some choices rather than bringing a 6 ganglink monster that does everything at virtually no risk.

Make the current CS bonus a mod bonus to the gang-link that changes depending on what ship it is on.

Gang-Links: (racial aligned)
2% bonus on all tech 1 ships, except BCs
3% bonus on all tech 2 or 3 ships, or tech 1 BCs
5% bonus on all tech 2 BC hulls.

Fitting requirements should be sufficient enough to gimp any offensive capabilty.

I disagree with you, and you are stupid and lazy.

Fleet boosting is BORING, BO-RING, it's an alt's work.

Just because YOU did something, sometime ago doesn't mean the game should change because YOU think it should.

There are more players other than YOU.


And you are showing another reason why I don't take you guys seriously, thinking that a 6 link ganglink T3 can boost with no risk just shows how little you actually know.

A 6 link booster "monster" will be a very hard fit and it will have literally no way to become harder to probe. Even a novice prober can find this guy in seconds and have interceptors flying in to kill him. OGBs are expensive and losing them is huge blow, using them is never "risk free" unless you are not smart enough to counter them.

I see it now, all the people who think OGBs are "OP" are too uncreative or too lazy to counter them.

scan down? lol ur joking? what IF hes in the pos can you do anything? ur a pvper as u seem you are, but ur asking me to scan it down while im getting my ass beat up? do u even know what ur talking about? like the booster alt just stand there for you to scan it down and kill it.

i dont ask for it to be remove, im asking CCP to fix it that fleet only get bonus if the booster at the same position with the fleet.

What if said monster booster is in NPC corp and in Hi sec boosting for a war decking corp? How is it then fair? Should he be flagged red as he is helping the fleet

Hi-sec PvP...

lol.

GǪinterestingGǪ

Just to keep them special, though, what would happen if you gave all BCs a fitting bonus to Command Processors? With that suggestion, all ships can fit the actual links, but BCs will always be able to fit more.

I dont do it but I can see this being abused there. So while we are talking about boosting it is worth bringing up.

idk, I guess the ship should go red to the guys in hi-sec so they have a chance of killing it..


I DO remember people in incursions using ships to suicide gank OGBs of other gangs, and the general idea was it was worth it. It was pretty easy too because they were so squishy and couldn't fit tanks.


But for balancing pvp in 0.0 and lowsec, hi-sec shouldn't even be considered imo.

it isn't, that's why the most accomplished single player PVPers like Garmon loudly advocate removal of off grid boosters and npc corp members think its a great feature hth

to Diesel47, ur telling peoples learn how to fight, i say you should learn how to pvp without ur booster alt, u seem to be afraid of losing it.

3rd argument: "Off grid boosting is good for CCP's wallet"

First, let's put this into perspective: this is thinly disguised and selfish "I'll quit if you nerf my off grid boosting alt" blackmailing.

For us players who don't have access to CCP's statistics, it's impossible to know whether this will harm or benefit subscription numbers.

That said, I doubt that the type of player keeping an off grid boosting alt will stop using a second account. They want every advantage they can get, and even with off grid boosting removed, there are so many ways a second account remains useful. Personally I'm convinced that in the long term, it will be an extremely positive change for the game.

And this isn't the stuff I was talking about. I'm more worried about what will happen to the small gangs of pilots who like to fight outnumbered vs blobs. Now that is a true challenge and very fun if you pull it off. And the OGB is a MAJOR part of them being able to do something like this without 100% failing every time.

If OGBs are removed then this style of small gang pvp is also doomed. That is what I'm worried about.

As always in this type of message, OP ignore arguments he can't deny. Fleet boosting is BORING, BO-RING, it's an alt's work. By putting it on grid we just have one more ship to protect that can't do anything else than tank the focus that will irremediably fall on it. If I remember well, I heard the terms "flying brick".

I have a cleaner, more simple solution: Buff active-tanking modules to be as effective as they are with ganglinks currently, but make ganglinks not affect local tanks.

Boosting alts, pffGǪ

Real pilots have 15M leadership SP on their mains.