new pilots

When i started EVE all those years ago, a battleship was pretty much what everyone wanted..

These kids nowadays.....

"I personally am just gonna do logistics"
"MWD + Slasher, nuff said"
"In all seriousness... you can eat a bag of dicks"

noob with not much than 3 mil sp are in NM running incursions making billions dont see why your noobs cant do the same.

pathetic just how pathetic this game becoming.

"Battleships are too slow"
Battleships aren't meant to be fast.

I don't even understand what you said to be honest.

GǪso? Why fly (much less train for) something you don't enjoy the feeling of? There are plenty of roles to be had (in fact, the vast majority in the game) from the sub-BS ships, all of which are pretty much universally needed.

So it doesn't really sound like you're offering much of a counter-argument to this. Is this because you see it as a valid reason or because you couldn't be arsed to develop your response more thoroughly?

And I'm sure you'll agree that, in an organized pvp-focused corp/alliance there's no point in keeping pilots around who don't pull their weight. v0v

Since this has basically my reasoning for the last three yearsGǪ

GǪso? Why fly (much less train for) something you don't enjoy the feeling of? There are plenty of roles to be had (in fact, the vast majority in the game) from the sub-BS ships, all of which are pretty much universally needed.

So it doesn't really sound like you're offering much of a counter-argument to this. Is this because you see it as a valid reason or because you couldn't be arsed to develop your response more thoroughly?

But you're absolutely right in that there's no point training for something you don't enjoy. And I'm sure you'll agree that, in an organized pvp-focused corp/alliance there's no point in keeping pilots around who don't pull their weight. v0v

What I get out of this thread was that the corp/alliance needed a POS bash fleet, but nobody would even train battleships to get the job done. When asked, "speed" was a reason why they wouldn't train one, which for a POS bash is a flat out stupid excuse.

That coming from a member of one of the leading alliances in a coalition that used to be famous for its topsy-turvy rabble fleets is actually quite funny - but yeah - people might change...

Maybe they just don't train BS to avoid having to take part in POS bashes?

GǪthat can't hit anything smaller than an average walmart with parking lot, and even that only when it's not movingGǪ

And as for gate camps, who do you think would win, a dozen Tempests/Geddons, or a dozen BCs?

probably the bcs, as they are locking faster, tracking better and are quicker at running once the locals formed up and the **** starts hitting the fan.

i am not saying that battleships are bad, and that you can't use them for anything besides pos bashing. but most of the time they won't perform much better than a bunch of battlecruisers and t2 cruisers. they have their uses, but they simply aren't worth it for the average player.

with the cruiser skills being x5 and x6 and being at least partially required for battleships, you can skill cruisers, advanced medium guns and 2 of the advanced cruisers to V in the same time it would take you to skill large t2 guns and battleships to V. and seing what range of ships you can fly with those skills and the skills you get access to makes the decision easy for many players.

So why won't anyone train Battleships?

Twenty plus new pilots, not a single one of them is willing to train battleships.

"I am gonna fly a Tengu"
"I would rather just fly frigates"
"I personally am just gonna do logistics"
"I want a freighter"
"Have Nighthawk, don't need a battleship"
"Sleipnir does everything"
"I don't fly battleships"
"I would train it but I need to get my elite certificates"
"I would rather fly a Hulk"
"I am not in your corp"
"I think a Sac would be better than a battleship, no?"
"All I need is my Drake"
"I fly the drake thats like a battleship"
"If Jeff is gonna fly a Drake so am I"
"Battleships are too slow"
"MWD + Slasher, nuff said"
"I have Caldari Battleship, why do I need another BS?"
"Only reason to train battleships is for carriers and I will never use one"
"It is suicide to fly a battleship outside of high-sec"
"I won't fly a battleship, cause I pay $15 a month, and you can't tell me what to train"
"In all seriousness... you can eat a bag of dicks"
"I won't train it, cause I don't want to train it"

What is the magic hammer argument for "Train a battleship so we can kill POS you dumb mother frackers?"
It would be so cool to have 20 people in Amarr battleships blasting POS to goo, but nobody will train.

I give up

"True... you may not use a battleship often, but when you need to use one you REALLY need to use one as few things will substitute a good battleship in a fleet."

I run in a CNR and am thinking of moving to a Navy Scorp (so i can use one of those extra mid slots for an AB :D ) and i love battleships, the one thing that niggles me about them is how slow they move which can be a real PITA for missions with gates a good distance away, and from what i can tell a large majority of people i know that don't like them for exactly that reason, they go for Tengu's instead because although it takes longer to train for and costs a lot more, a tengu can tear its way through level4 missions far quicker than most battleships, so i understand where they're coming from, despite the fact that i will always love my battleships :D

"True... you may not use a battleship often, but when you need to use one you REALLY need to use one as few things will substitute a good battleship in a fleet."

Has anyone said NeutDomi yet?

It would be so cool to have 20 people in Amarr battleships blasting POS to goo, but nobody will train.

Tell them 20 Mealstroms would instapop most of the other subcap ships they would have wanted to train?

How things have changed..

When I started years ago it seemed that all new pilots wanted to do was get into a battleship as quickly as possible, then whine when they got popped because their frigate guns didn't get the job done..

if you are going to bitchslap someone, and you have got a good logistics wing, BS is your choice.
It's like sitting in an 2000000 mm howitzer instapoping everything in sight.

noob with not much than 3 mil sp are in NM running incursions making billions dont see why your noobs cant do the same.

pathetic just how pathetic this game becoming.

The basic argument is that CERTAIN NEW PLAYERS put more stock in what EFT says is a bigger number than what actually flies, and are very very quick to dismiss the advice and experience of pilots who've been around long enough to know what's the better option. Reminding said people of this fact is the simplest thing to do. No need to be an ass, just gently remind them that, actually, you've been playing this game longer than they have, and you probably have a better idea of what's a good idea.

Specific counterpoints:

"I am gonna fly a Tengu"

Learn to actually PvP before you fly around a ship that costs a billion ISK to fiy properly. Alternatively, carebear.

"I would rather just fly frigates"

Admirable, actually. Train for battleships when you've maxed out frigate skills.

"I personally am just gonna do logistics"

Uh...wow? People actually want to fly logistics? Sounds like an ace pilot to me.

"I want a freighter"

Carebear.

"Have Nighthawk, don't need a battleship"

EFT more.

"Sleipnir does everything"

EFT more.

"I don't fly battleships"

Well what do you fly?

"I would train it but I need to get my elite certificates"

lol

"I would rather fly a Hulk"

Carebear.

"I am not in your corp"

I'm assuming this is an alliancemate? Talk to CEO?

"I think a Sac would be better than a battleship, no?"

EFT more.

"All I need is my Drake"

Is it a nanodrake? If it isn't, then EFT more.

"I fly the drake thats like a battleship"

EFT more.

"If Jeff is gonna fly a Drake so am I"

Jeff probably isn't the ranking FC in this conversation.

"Battleships are too slow"

Battleships aren't meant to be fast.

"MWD + Slasher, nuff said"

Kick from corp.

"I have Caldari Battleship, why do I need another BS?"

Torp ravens aren't terrible for POS bashes are they? I honestly don't know, the only caldari battleship I touch is the scorp.

"Only reason to train battleships is for carriers and I will never use one"

You've trained for them, might as well use them if the FC says to.

"It is suicide to fly a battleship outside of high-sec"

lol no

"I won't fly a battleship, cause I pay $15 a month, and you can't tell me what to train"

Kick from corp.

"In all seriousness... you can eat a bag of dicks"

Kick from corp.

"I won't train it, cause I don't want to train it"

Kick from corp.

I don't mean to tell you how to run your show, but to me this sounds largely like a discipline problem with your new pilots. The remainder just don't know any better, and a bit of time actually flying in space will learn them good. Or they'll refuse to join fleet ops because their ship is arse, and then you can call them on not pulling their weight.

What is really pathetic is that you are using valuable time to post how pathetic (in your opinion) the game is becoming.....

"I personally am just gonna do logistics"

Uh...wow? People actually want to fly logistics? Sounds like an ace pilot to me

I'm new to eve, been playing like 3 months i did the whole rush to battleships for incursions thing but i'm training into logi's now, another month or so at least till i'm at fleet readiness standards with my scimi

Okay being a more experienced noob and an admitted carebear I decided to devote time into training up this account with an alt to have a perfectly skilled mining team. I started out thinking a BS would be grand and then after getting a "bigger" ship and not having the skills I realized not only will it take time to get to the point I can fit one right but it will be damn expensive to keep losing them. Now the plan is to finish skilling up for high sec mining and then work on my other skills getting into a BS over time while I gain operating capital mining. Of course I also do some missions and a few lowsec roams in frigs (especially with Eve Radio) but my main goal is to meake ISK while skills train so I can make isk other ways at a later point in time. I figure in a few more months (maybe longer) you might see me in a well fitted BS but untill I can the smaller the "combat" ship the better because the skills take less time to train to 5.

Before anyone says it yes I know there are other ways that are "better" to make my ISK but I actually like mining. It's a personal choice and I can play in the sandbox my way.

BTW my alt should be in a BS before this my main because I am only going hulk 5 and not orca 5 as well like I am with Rama. The alt will eventually have BS5 for all races as well as 5 in all lower classes then get advanced skills going. Rama is going to stick with Minnie ships through BS then work on advanced and go to Cap ships It took me a while to come up with a plan and now that I haveone my intention is to stick with it because I realize it takes months and even years to get from noob to decent pilot in this game..