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Condor Amarr Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.08 11:11:00 - [31] I think that, before this situation gets even further out of hand, CALM Diplomats from both CVA and Amarrian Retribution need to speak to each other and establish how to move forward. Only so much can be gained by speaking to third parties. We are all here to do His work, I think people lose sight of this at times. -------------
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2011.01.08 11:28:00 - [32] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 08/01/2011 11:36:45 Nononono! Cash those damn diplomats, put them in a trunk, lock it and throw the key away. Really, those idiots come and spoil a good war. What's this all about, ey?! About damn words and cushions, and sweeties and marshmellows or about blood and steel and real men that go out and burn away the mark of disgrace with their lasers?! Ey!? No. Give your diplomats a nice bunch of exotic dancers and prostitutes to have a good time with and don't let them spoil a earnest little war! Alone for the fact that we Minmatar Tribals here have a good laugh about the internal affairs should be reason enough to wash this insult away with some serious flood of blood. That's what I say. Comon, let's rumble! No this whole affair wanted to go public and it has to be cleaned out, washed away with at least a little hill of trashed ships. And now I'm not talking as a Minmatar warrior, I'm talking as a warrior that knows too well that most likely halve of your real warriors don't like the name of their proud corporations disgraced in public and this insult just talked away by some slimey diplomats. What's this? A pony ranch? Or are we talking about the iron fist of justice that the Amarr militia is so infamous of? A little bit of backbone is good for the fighting morale. A bit competition in the own ranks is good for discipline. Don't make it a massacre, but don't shy away from shedding a bit blood for honor too. That'll spoil all the fun. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Lyn Farel Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.01.08 12:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Har Harrison Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. So you would take the word of an neutral organisation over that of the militia??? I would too. The Militia is full of spies, worms, and pirates, and that is no big news. Having to chose between The CVA policies and a militia corp operating with pirates like Dragoon Federation ? Easy choice for me if I wasn't in the Militia too.
Gottii Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.01.08 12:48:00 - [34] The Lord works in mysterious ways. Sometimes those ways can be pleasantly ironic to watch. I'm assuming this latest war between Amarrian loyalists isn't over another doll?
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.01.08 12:58:00 - [35] Oh dear, Amarrians infighting like unwashed barbarians. Your zombie ***** Empress must be so impressed.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2011.01.08 14:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Borza Slavak Oh dear, Amarrians infighting like unwashed barbarians... I admit that I find myself in agreement with this slave. You are Amarr and should hold yourselves to a higher standard. I offer my services as a mediator should both sides wish to find a diplomatic resolution. Serving the Dark Amarr
Lost InCogneto Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 15:11:00 - [37] ARETR whilst to thank those that have fought by our side for Amarr and those that are stuck between diplomatic issues. While issues with CoP are being resolve we believe that they are not the at fault of the actions of others. ARETR are appalled at the actions of Core Impulse for there be-trail for blue on blue actions for there own agenda. ARETR is also unsettled at the actions of CVA that issued no warning of there declaration of KOS actions for supporting a (blue) alliance Talcorp moving into the FW zone and causing aggressions and disruption to the Amarr Militia with out first seeking conformation of the local dispute between the two corps. CVA stance on the Amarr Militia is well known and while they do not agree with a lot of issues which through conformation, where possible, would stay clear of the FW zone because of these issues. This has been the first time CVA has aggressively engaged a Amarr fw corp with out a diplomatic inquiry as to the dispute. CVA is commonly known as a representative of Amarr, through out the FW campaign almost 3 years of our corp fighting in this war there has been no visible support to those loyal to bringing Amarr systems back to the Empress and reclaiming those that need to be liberated. Amarr fw corps have fought as the smallest of the factions against the minmatar militia and known neutral supporters SF EM and UK. ARETR with loyalist Amarr fw corporations holding the front lines and known as a force worthy of fighting. Before you pass judgement first look at yourselves CVA when it comes to making non aggression pacts for your benefit to stabilize your area of operations Curatores Veritatis Alliance allied with persecutors of Amarrian Law? - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1436667. The fact that Core Impulse does not seem to follow your own rules of piracy attacking neutrals but keeps its blue status makes it hypocritical - http://www.core-impulse.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15295 ARETR have not betrayed blue on blue and like those fw corps aligned with CVA that have come into fw zones before respected standings and stayed away from blue on blue unlike Core Impulse. ARETR stays loyal to those of the Amarr fw corps on the front lines ands attributes our succes to those that fly by our sides every day. Diplomatic lines are opened despite not being contacted by a CVA representative. As for Core Impulse your own agenda and ego has set the path you have chossen within the Amarr Militia.
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.01.08 15:29:00 - [38] I suggest this matter be settled by a more traditional method of resolution for resolving internal conflicts: a Tournament of Champions. Injured parties will appoint champions who will meet on the field of battle and God will grant victory to the righteous. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 16:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. Yet you found the time to stage caps within jump range to hotdrop into FW space. We live in FW lowsec. We fight the minmatar militia. We defend/capture the systems in the name of the Empire. What has CVA done for the Empire or the militia as of late? Using your caps to help us take down the minmatar POSes? Nope Hotdropping their supercarriers? Nope If you follow FW news/politics at all, you know ARETR is an amarr corp. So, what you're saying is that when talcorp cried for help, nobody bothered to ask who was attacking them? And besides, we consider Sahtogas and the surrounding systems as our sovereign space. We live here and defend it on a daily basis. I say nobody has the right to come into our home and tell us how we should play, especially a bunch of "amarr roleplayers" that do absolutely nothing on behalf of the militia you say you care so much about...well, except set them red and hotdrop them. DFED has stood beside us against an innumerable onslaught of pirates and minmatar militia since we moved in. They have assisted in recapturing these systems from the minmatar. While they do prey on the amarr militia, we give everyone ample warning that they will do so. If they wanted to move in, they'd have to gain the respect of DFED with their own blood, just like we did.
Silas Vitalia Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2011.01.08 16:35:00 - [40] Interesting. Will Amarrian Retribution and other affected FW corporations begin conducting organized operations against CVA after this incident? I'm curious if this actually has a chance at escalation, or the slighted parties will simply roll over without working out a face-saving settlement. By the way Graelyn, my invitation still stands as soon as this theater grows tiresome for you. Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Templar Dane What has CVA done for the Empire or the militia as of late? We do not answer to the militia. For the Empire we do what we have done for years; fight to secure a border buffer between the southern reaches of the Empire and lawless space. Originally by: Templar Dane So, what you're saying is that when talcorp cried for help, nobody bothered to ask who was attacking them? Not really relevant. Might've been relevant if it was an ally attacking an ally. Really none of this discussion is relevant. If you want to square this away diplomatically, that can be arranged. If you want to flap your jaws publicly and remain enemies...that works as well. It's not as if a sustained conflict is going to come out of this from CVA's end. We have our hands more than full fighting in Providence. We simply reserve the right to protect our friends and allies when called upon to do so.
masc24	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:44:00 - [42] I wonder if CVA just lets random corps put up POSes in whatever systems they still control without said corps asking for permission. Cause that is what happened here the way I see it. And from the looks of it that POS is going to spend more time in reinforced than what any of us do living in the real world, so hope you have the cavalry in standby 24/7 to "defend your friends".
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 17:50:00 - [43] Originally by: masc24 I wonder if CVA just lets random corps put up POSes in whatever systems they still control without said corps asking for permission. Cause that is what happened here the way I see it. I would agree if Tannakan was Amarrian Retribution sovereign space. It is not. It belongs to the Amarr Empire. Do they not teach such things at the Science and Trade Institute?
masc24	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Garreck I would agree if Tannakan was Amarrian Retribution sovereign space. It is not. It belongs to the Amarr Empire. Do they not teach such things at the Science and Trade Institute? Now you are arguing semantics. They put up a POS on FW space, a system defended by the amarr militia, can't expect the guys who sacrifice their ships every day keeping the enemies of the empire at bay to just don't mind some random corp coming in and settling in. Sure defending your friends is the right thing to do, but in my humble opinion a corp with no faction affiliation putting up a POS in FW space is lighting up a match next to a powder keg. As said before, you might have to divert some of your much needed resources just to help your friends defend their pos, cause it seems to me it will be threatened every single day. And ultimately, (hopefully sooner than later) you will realize that you do not want to be drawn into a war of attrition between TalCorp and Amarr Retribution, because, as you said, you have your hands full in Providence. One last thing, if it is CVA's position that you hold no ties with the Amarr Militia, then several of the arguments in this thread are void and pointless. You serve the Empire but will kill servants of the Empire just as well. That is rather hypocritical. My two cents.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:30:00 - [45] Originally by: masc24 Now you are arguing semantics. Not at all. The Crusade by definition does not fight for its own space. It fights for Amarr. It is a humble and necessary service. It is not, however, a position by which to claim ownership of holy Amarrian space. There is lawless space in which eggers can take up a sovereignty claim and operate by whatever rules they please, but to fight for the Militia is a different calling altogether. There is a deeper problem within the Crusade indeed if it is occupied by organizations who are fighting for moons and income rather than fighting for God and Empress. I certainly hope that's not what is really happening here. I'd rather believe it was an unfortunate misunderstanding that can be sorted out through the appropriate diplomatic channels.
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:56:00 - [46] Edited by: Vaarun on 08/01/2011 18:58:50 Edited by: Vaarun on 08/01/2011 18:58:05 Originally by: Lost InCogneto While issues with CoP are being resolve we believe that they are not the at fault of the actions of others. ARETR are appalled at the actions of Core Impulse for there be-trail for blue on blue actions for there own agenda. ARETR is also unsettled at the actions of CVA that issued no warning of there declaration of KOS actions for supporting a (blue) alliance Talcorp moving into the FW zone and causing aggressions and disruption to the Amarr Militia with out first seeking conformation of the local dispute between the two corps. CVA stance on the Amarr Militia is well known and while they do not agree with a lot of issues which through conformation, where possible, would stay clear of the FW zone because of these issues. This has been the first time CVA has aggressively engaged a Amarr fw corp with out a diplomatic inquiry as to the dispute. Hail, Lost Incognito, You know me. You know I am a man of my word, and my word says that ARETR cannot be seen as the victim here. You have many links and documents to support your take on the conflict. So do I. But out of respect for your efforts and our past I will not post them save this very telling quote: King Rothgar> we will be taking that moon as we put in in reinforced and it is amarr militia space, CoP left he militia, they don't like it, tough That is out-of-context, but it still sets the mood for how we were dealt with. COP has "left" the militia only in the sense that alliance mechanics do not allow us to be there IN the militia, but the FW is still at the forefront of our efforts. If you have the document this quote came from, you know of it's entirety, and for some reason did not include it here. You know why. Simply put, as the Empress has decreed, "What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you...". This is a simple case where what ARETR had given was given back...with perhaps a bit of interest. Put this issue to rest. Stop playing the victim simply becasue you lost ships that should have been fully insured anyway. Treat all your blues the same, with respect,and in the future and this will not happen again. However, if you persist in claiming you have been wronged and your record is above reproach, I will be forced to provide documents and links saying otherwise. I was hurt greatly by the events and dialog leading up to this, and I do not hurt easily. Let us not make an ugly situation any uglier. Put this behind us, and let re-focus our efforts on the real enemies of the Empire. Brother's fight from time to time, but they will always be brothers. 07 CMDR Vaarun Dakurra, COP Alliance "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
ja gilbey	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:21:00 - [47] That's right ARETR can't be the victim here cause CVA and allies are TOTALLY ANTI-PIRATE Since that is so can you tell me who this Anshar pilot ganked just before he was hot dropped? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1444659&page=2
Vaarun Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=178315 The fact that the ARETR ships were even in range of the TalCorp POS is very telling. However, I must admit ignorange of SuperCap capabilities. Do they have tractor beams that can reach many AU away and pullr carriers to them? The fact that the tower was so high in damage in relation to the supercapitals below it implies the tower had been defending itself for some time...though I suppose pos-gunenrs could increase the damage applied to a single carrier. Yet, somehow, all carriers that were lost show significant damage from the POS. Multiple POS-gunners, perhaps? It is also possible the carriers were running level 5 missions, peacefully, when they were ambushed. Seeking refuge at Talcorps's POS for several minutes, taking fire and giving none back, until the Supercaps finally found them and ended them. Possible, though unlikley. It is more likely the ARETR capitals were sieging the TalCorp POS when they were hot-dropped. No? "To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees." -Vaarun
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Garreck We do not answer to the militia. For the Empire we do what we have done for years; fight to secure a border buffer between the southern reaches of the Empire and lawless space. And the militia should answer to you? Originally by: Garreck Not really relevant. Might've been relevant if it was an ally attacking an ally. So, anything that puts you in a bad light is irrelevant, gotcha. Originally by: Garreck Really none of this discussion is relevant. If you want to square this away diplomatically, that can be arranged. If you want to flap your jaws publicly and remain enemies...that works as well. It's not as if a sustained conflict is going to come out of this from CVA's end. We have our hands more than full fighting in Providence. We simply reserve the right to protect our friends and allies when called upon to do so. If you mean by "diplomatically", bowing down and kissing your feet, I for one will be choosing Option B. Originally by: Garreck I would agree if Tannakan was Amarrian Retribution sovereign space. It is not. It belongs to the Amarr Empire. Do they not teach such things at the Science and Trade Institute? The fact that we can't gain sovereignty in lowsec is the only reason we don't have sovereignty. If there were no such mechanic anywhere, we could argue the same against you. Nulsec does not interest us, we choose to live in Sahtogas and we claim it and the surrounding systems as our own. That the systems don't have our official seal is meaningless.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: masc24 I wonder if CVA just lets random corps put up POSes in whatever systems they still control without said corps asking for permission. Cause that is what happened here the way I see it. I would agree if Tannakan was Amarrian Retribution sovereign space. It is not. It belongs to the Amarr Empire. Do they not teach such things at the Science and Trade Institute? We are the police force of the area. As such we have the authority to grant/revoke permission to put up POS's in our space for neutral entities such as talcorp. When we say "our" space, we don't mean we own it. We mean it is under our control, we patrol it, we defend it. It is completely reasonable for us to demand that neutral entities request permission to do anything in the area other than pass through. It is also reasonable to extract a nominal fee for our efforts. This is nothing extraordinary, you would be hard pressed to find a portion of the universe that doesn't operate under those rules. We are not an overly aggressive corp towards neutrals but we don't just let anyone into the area without some explanation. Talcorp was warned from the first day they showed up that they would be attacked until they contacted one of our directors. They never did so to my knowledge or their request for blue status was denied for whatever reason. CVA came to help defend their allies, I do not fault them for this. But to claim our actions as an act of piracy is ridiculous. You might as well call concord and the official imperial navy pirates. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:39:00 - [51] Originally by: Templar Dane And the militia should answer to you? Nope. Originally by: Templar Dane If you mean by "diplomatically", bowing down and kissing your feet, I for one will be choosing Option B. You surely are quick to draw wild conclusions. No, all we would ask for is a cessation of hostilities between you and Talcorp. But that's not something to be negotiated here. Originally by: Templar Dane Nulsec does not interest us, we choose to live in Sahtogas and we claim it and the surrounding systems as our own. That the systems don't have our official seal is meaningless. This is certainly a noteworthy statement, and relevant to your compatriots in the Crusade. Unless and until diplomatic discourse begins, this discussion has run it course. Please do make your pilots aware that we consider Amarrian Retribution hostile. A mere formality, I'm sure, as the likelihood of continued contact in space is fairly remote.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:50:00 - [52] Edited by: Garreck on 08/01/2011 20:50:06 Originally by: King Rothgar Talcorp was warned from the first day they showed up that they would be attacked until they contacted one of our directors. This, at least, feels like a more accurate portrayal of events as they occured. Puts a bit of the preceding guff about CVA pushing Crusade members around into some perspective as well.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:50:00 - [53] /running scared
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Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:26:00 - [55] Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Har Harrison Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. So you would take the word of an neutral organisation over that of the militia??? I would too. The Militia is full of spies, worms, and pirates, and that is no big news. Having to chose between The CVA policies and a militia corp operating with pirates like Dragoon Federation ? Easy choice for me if I wasn't in the Militia too. And this militia corp would be Amarrian Retribution or your own? Is your corp not blue to D-Fed? Did D-Fed not assist the miltia in a battle only recently??? http://kb.dragoonfederation.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2807
HaulingFreezer	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:09:00 - [56] Originally by: King Rothgar We are the police force of the area. As such we have the authority to grant/revoke permission to put up POS's in our space for neutral entities such as talcorp. When we say "our" space, we don't mean we own it. We mean it is under our control, we patrol it, we defend it. It is completely reasonable for us to demand that neutral entities request permission to do anything in the area other than pass through. It is also reasonable to extract a nominal fee for our efforts. This is nothing extraordinary, you would be hard pressed to find a portion of the universe that doesn't operate under those rules. We are not an overly aggressive corp towards neutrals but we don't just let anyone into the area without some explanation. Talcorp was warned from the first day they showed up that they would be attacked until they contacted one of our directors. They never did so to my knowledge or their request for blue status was denied for whatever reason. CVA came to help defend their allies, I do not fault them for this. But to claim our actions as an act of piracy is ridiculous. You might as well call concord and the official imperial navy pirates. You seem to think that ARETRE is the only corp in the Amarr Militia capable of making such choices. The fact that you now reside in the minority of the major active parties within the Amarr Militia, as far as opinions over this matter goes, only confirms that your continued disputing only alienates you further from other major Amarr Militia parties. Originally by: Har Harrison And this militia corp would be Amarrian Retribution or your own? Is your corp not blue to D-Fed? Did D-Fed not assist the miltia in a battle only recently??? http://kb.dragoonfederation.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2807 Fascinating. You see when I do a search on that very same killboard to see kills against the Amarr Empire by D-Fed I find many pages of such attacks, up until just a few days ago (what an amazing convenience!). It could be said that with the exception of ARETRE and their immediate friends D-Fed have positively been attacking Amarr Empire pilots indiscriminately. Again I find it entertaining that ARETRE consider themselves the Amarr Militia, whilst becoming an increasingly isolated element.
Ospie The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Har Harrison Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Har Harrison Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. So you would take the word of an neutral organisation over that of the militia??? I would too. The Militia is full of spies, worms, and pirates, and that is no big news. Having to chose between The CVA policies and a militia corp operating with pirates like Dragoon Federation ? Easy choice for me if I wasn't in the Militia too. And this militia corp would be Amarrian Retribution or your own? Is your corp not blue to D-Fed? Did D-Fed not assist the miltia in a battle only recently??? http://kb.dragoonfederation.info/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2807 I've got a long memory of D-Fed attacking militia members, I also have a long memory of Amarrian Retribution pilots trying to defend them. Once we gave D-Fed two chances to redeem themselves within a single 20 min time frame, both times they attacked me and both times they lost the ships they used in attacking me (both times I did not engage until shot), as such during the entire duration of my stay in Amarr Militia it was easy for me to view them as pirates and little more. It is good to see Amarrian Retribution paying for their foolish choice of allegiances, which clearly does not lie with the Amarr Empire.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Ospie I've got a long memory of D-Fed attacking militia members, I also have a long memory of Amarrian Retribution pilots trying to defend them. Once we gave D-Fed two chances to redeem themselves within a single 20 min time frame, both times they attacked me and both times they lost the ships they used in attacking me (both times I did not engage until shot), as such during the entire duration of my stay in Amarr Militia it was easy for me to view them as pirates and little more. It is good to see Amarrian Retribution paying for their foolish choice of allegiances, which clearly does not lie with the Amarr Empire. Says the -10 pirate that used to be in Core Impulse, who are known for gunning down friendly militia in any circumstance in which they can get away with it. Show us where we have fired on friendly militia. Show me pictures/footage of ARETR remote repping pirates that are fighting amarr militia. You won't find any proof, because we are loyal to the Empire.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.09 04:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Lyn Farel Originally by: Har Harrison Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. So you would take the word of an neutral organisation over that of the militia??? I would too. The Militia is full of spies, worms, and pirates, and that is no big news. Having to chose between The CVA policies and a militia corp operating with pirates like Dragoon Federation ? Easy choice for me if I wasn't in the Militia too. Your corp is blue with dragoon federation you know. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Lord Talamar Gallente TalCorp Enterprises TalCorp United Federation	Posted - 2011.01.09 04:18:00 - [60] I would just like to officially clear up a few points from the perspective of TalCorp on these events: 1)It has been stated that we were attacking Amarr militia pilots. This is not true. The only Amarr militia ship we destroyed was a hurricane belonging to the corp Bloody Amarr's. This was in defence of a surprise unprovoked attack by them in which we lost both a drake and a rook. It should be quite telling that no other Amarr militia ships have been killed since we moved into the area and no Amarrian Retribution ships had ever been killed by us prior to the defence of our POS. 2)Our first verbal exchange with Amarrian Retribution occured in Sahtogas when one of our combat fleets was passing through on their way to fight our reds in another region. We were told that they controlled the system and we had no right to pass through. We tried to explain that we were just passing through and that we are a CVA friendly NRDS anti-pirate alliance with no hostile intentions towards them and that many of our reds were also their enemies. We were informed that they were NBSI and "owned" the space. (It should be noted that it has always been Talcorp policy that an NBSI ROE by anyone other than legal soverign owners of player owned 0.0 space within their own space is equated by us with piracy.) On a number of occasions, ARETR also tried to engage our ships although no losses on either side had occured. 3) The reason we moved into the area was to have a research tower and a military base for our PvP operations against reds common between us and CVA within and near Providence. We never had any hostile intentions against the locals and purposefully selected a nearly worthless moon in a system full of empty moons for our tower so as not to be in competition for resources with the locals. Where we received a freindly reception, we did try to negotiate blue standings in the area. We are mutually blue with C.O.P. for example. At that point we also stopped flying our patrols through Sahtogas at the request of C.O.P. to avoid further antagonizing ARETR who been persistently hostile to us. 4) Beyond as a staging base for our operations against our reds in Providence and Great Wildlands, Talcorp has no military interest in The Bleak Lands and no interests in faction warfare. To date, beyond the unsuccessful attack on our tower, Talcorp has sustained no losses to Ammarian Retribution. As such, if they agree to cease hostilities against us, I would be willing to negotiate a reneutralization of standings. Personally, I would rather get back to our normal null sec theatres of operation rather than being tied down by ARETR agression in losec. 5) Lastly, I would like to state that the back stabbing accusations made in this thread against CVA have been entirely unfair. Our association with CVA has been in place for more than 3 years and in that time I have never known them to act dishonorbly. Also, with respect to Amarr roleplay, entities such as CVA and PIE have been fighting for that cause since long before factional warfare ever existed in EVE and I believe that all Amarr Militia entities should pay these entities their rightful homage and respect. As a non roleplay entity, we in Talcorp would like to thank CVA not only for coming to our aid (not the first time either) but also for their unique role in Eve as a bastion of the noble path of NRDS and anti-piracy and for always making their space available and providing aid to all like minded entities. Regards to all, Lord Talamar CEO and executor of TalCorp United Federation

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