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Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:21:00 - [1] --------- We have been watching this situation brewing for the last few days, and a brutal conflict among the Amarr forces seemed to be an inevitability. It has finally happened, although not on precisely the lines I had foreseen. RECAP - (Left column) For the record, CoP did not participate in this bloodletting. While thoroughly insulted by one party in this fight over the last few days, CoP was unwilling to initiate such a destabilizing action among the 24th Imperial Crusaders. Regardless, it has occurred. We can only hope that either: 1) An amicable reconciliation can occur. (It is still not too late for this, regardless of appearances) 2) One side can overwhelmingly decimate the other, then refocus the remaining Militia to re-concentrate on the Tribals. Great gains have been made recently in reclaiming systems in Heimatar from the Matari. We hope that this conflict will not threaten those gains. The Covenant of Prophecy is willing to facilitate either of the 2 possibilities listed above, through diplomatic measures or force of arms. Number one if at all possible. Number two if at all necessary. His blessings upon us in these troubled days. - Cardinal Graelyn ---------------- Co-Executor, Minister of Communications Covenant of Prophecy Alliance
Lord Maximullis Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:39:00 - [2] Very good.
Kazzzi Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:47:00 - [3] Yessss
Aldrith Shutaq Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.01.08 03:56:00 - [4] Oh look, this thready is sticky already. And I'm not talking in forum terms.
Koronakesh Amarr Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2011.01.08 04:20:00 - [5] We're all stunned at CVA strong-arming other Imperial corporations into doing their bidding. Truly. Be that as it may, the situation has potential. Try not to bow down too quickly without making them shed a little blood for their work, Meriak.
King Rothgar Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 04:50:00 - [6] It is an unfortunate situation. I am not a corp diplomat but I do not believe the disagreement with CoP couldn't have been resolved peacefully. Sure there were some heated debates but no blood was drawn and I don't believe it would have come to that. However, a rogue corp within the militia did take the situation as an excuse to engage in piracy against her highness's navy. This is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Core impulse's loyalty (and by extension nihilist social club) to the empire has long been in question and this incident provides indisputable evidence as to who's side they are really on. The same can be said for CVA as they haven't once assisted in fighting the minmatar, ushra'khan or dark rising (pirates) in the past 6 months and yet they will come out to attack the amarr militia on a moments notice. The empire must purge itself of these internal enemies if it is to survive. Where CoP stands in this is in question, it is my hope that they do not side with the traitors. No one should mistake the ability of a few individuals to successfully backstab their "allies" as the ability to wage a successful campaign. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 05:07:00 - [7] I personally am very disapointed to see CVA and other FW corps engage the loyal Amarr soldiers of Amarrian Retribution who themselves have been fighting hard for the Empire. In fact we were involved in an epic struggle to decontest systems in Metropolis just over 12 hours ago. CVA have sided with a non FW corp that has been engaging FW corp members and Core Impulse have also been involved in attacking FW members. However in this dark hour we will triumph. Amarr Victor
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:17:00 - [8] The vagueries of Militia politics have long since been beyond me; this is not the first time the CVA has engaged in operations against an organization aligned with the Imperial Crusade for hostilities against us, our allies, or our friends. To that end, I'm happy to leave the peacemaking to Cardinal Graelyn. The tower in question belonged to an organization with positive standing to CVA. We were asked to help defend it, and we did so. I'm a bit curious as to why any Crusaders would target the tower to begin with. As CVA's strategic focus lies solidly in Providence (and certainly not in continuing to pursue hostilities against an organization we know nothing about other than their own hostile actions against a friendly alliance) I'm sure the diplomatic option is wide open. That said, Amarrian Retribution will be considered a hostile entity until diplomatic talks can commence.
Victoria Stecker Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:18:00 - [9] I would like to thank you for bringing me the best news I've heard all week. Honestly, I haven't smiled this much since... well, sometime last year. Best part of this whole mess: No matter who wins, the Amarr Militia loses. - In the embrace of Hell, I am no longer afraid, for with His damned embrace, I have become that which I once most feared: Death.
Rovern Hashu Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:18:00 - [10] At the formation of faction warfare, CVA informed milita corps that they would not be treated differently for acts of hostility and piracy just because they were members of the milita and that milita members would have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Several days ago we received a request from Talcorp in defending their POS from people who were attacking without provocation. We had also heard reports of hostile comments made towards the CVA from said groups and therefore a drop was prepared. CVA requested assistance Nihilists Social Club and CORIM in the defense of Talcorp's POS. The initial fleet stood for two hours but stood down as hostiles did not originally appear. An hour or two latter eyes on the tower reported hostile capitals engaging the tower, a response was quickly formed and our force dropped 6 hostile capitals of which one managed to escape. There was NO connection with previous events as far as the CVA were concerned and this incident was not directly connected.
Balder Con Caldari Anti-Anti Piwats Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:29:00 - [11] Edited by: Balder Con on 08/01/2011 06:31:10 im just gone ad this Linkage o also i was the eyes .
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:55:00 - [12] The paper-pushing boys at Amarr Civil Service and the various imperial ministries are going to have a hell of a time with this one
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 06:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Garreck The tower in question belonged to an organization with positive standing to CVA. We were asked to help defend it, and we did so. I'm a bit curious as to why any Crusaders would target the tower to begin with. Talcorp has in fact been the first to fire openly on the militia as proven by the militia's own killboard http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=17094. Note that the earliest engagement was against a militia member http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=170227 It should also be noted that they have been joined by CVA and Core Impulse in at least one engagement. http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=12051 And whilst CVA is so quick to impose their rules on the militia, one must ask - where was CVA recently when the militia was engaged in a bloody conflict with Ushra Khan? This conflict raged right into the core worlds themselves, including Amarr, yet CVA were no where to be seen in all of this. Why are CVA supporting known corps that pray on the milita over the militia loyalists?
Rovern Hashu Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Rovern Hashu on 08/01/2011 07:02:26 I fail to see anything from what you have linked. The mails I have seen are inconclusive as I saw talcorp ships dead first in a situation I would hope they wouldn't have lost them in. THAT said it is entirely possibly they engaged first in that incident I will not deny that. However nobody came to us about it and so remaining uniformed about such incidents, not much you can hold us accountable for. Its not our duties to monitor EVERY action of those who are friendly to us.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:13:00 - [15] Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Garreck Your "evidence" does not address who fired first, only who fired last. Obviously we're going to take the word of a friendly organization over that of an organization we've never encountered before. If you wish to remain hostile, that's fine. If this is all a big misunderstanding, please get in touch with CVA diplomats. These sort of incidents frankly bore me; we have much on our plate in Providence and it is a matter of record that CVA does not generally operate in the Crusade's area of influence. That CVA should be a centerpiece in this is laughable first of all, and insulting to Cardinal Graelyn second. We simply destroyed vessels belonging to an unfamiliar organization engaged in hostilities with a friendly alliance. The apparently considerable background to all of this is of no interest what so ever. So you would take the word of an neutral organisation over that of the militia??? And how is it you are not familiar with Amarrian Retribution? Too much time in null sec and not enough time supporting the war against the Minmitar???
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Har Harrison And how is it you are not familiar with Amarrian Retribution? Too much time in null sec and not enough time supporting the war against the Minmitar??? Yes.
Koronakesh Amarr Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:49:00 - [18] Point of curiosity: was ARETR red to CVA prior to the tower incident? If they were, then alright, I can see some semblance of a justification for killing Her Majesty's soldiers. If they were neutral, though, then you're going awfully out of your way to help (did they even show up themselves?) someone defend their tower against a group who have never caused you any damage.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:54:00 - [19] They were neutral I believe. Originally by: Koronakesh If they were neutral, though, then you're going awfully out of your way to help (did they even show up themselves?) someone defend their tower against a group who have never caused you any damage. We defended a friendly organization against an unprovoked attack. Are you seriously trying to pass off the provision of military support to a friendly organization as unreasonable? Dear me. No wonder the Crusade is at odds with itself.
Koronakesh Amarr Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2011.01.08 07:58:00 - [20] Just nice to know you're willing to adopt NBSI when you're asked to help shoot Crusaders, Garreck. Cheers.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Koronakesh Just nice to know you're willing to adopt NBSI when you're asked to help shoot Crusaders, Garreck. Cheers. Goodness, you're full of surprises. Defending a friendly alliance is "going out of one's way," and now responding to an unprovoked attack is "adopting NBSI." Just to be clear to the public: if you engage in hostilities against the CVA or our friends/allies...you will not have a grace period while we file paperwork. You will be defacto red, and you will be engaged accordingly. This is a years-long policy for CVA.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:24:00 - [22] This could open a hole that Sansha's forces could waltz right in.
Mizhara Del'thul Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:42:00 - [23] Do not be too quick to consider this favorable for us. The strength of the Tribes have come from a history of facing each other in battle and culling the weak from the herds. This is not too far away from that, even though their motivation is greed and 'righteousness'. They may find themselves stronger in the end, as a result. Consider this a threat, not a boon. Backstage @ Inspiracy. The new Eve RP Forums, now with 10% more fun!
lucifers widow Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Rovern Hashu At the formation of faction warfare, CVA informed milita corps that they would not be treated differently for acts of hostility and piracy just because they were members of the milita and that milita members would have to deal with the consequences of their actions. CVA requested assistance Nihilists Social Club and CORIM in the defense of Talcorp's POS. So why aren't CORIM pirates when their members go suicide ganking mining vessels in high sec ?
Rovern Hashu Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.08 08:57:00 - [25] I don't know about the incident in question but if the target was KOS it is considered a valid option. While CVA have not done so in the past the question has come up and while its looked down upon if the target is considered KOS it is allowed by our ROE.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2011.01.08 09:36:00 - [26] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 08/01/2011 09:45:51 Good to see the slavers rip the throats of their brothers. It will leave many widows and orphans behind which is also a good job for Merdaneth to leave alone our youngsters to spoil and abuse and brings his wreathe of charity back on his own people. I'll offer a good sturdy Minmatar Hoarder as a replacement for the victim for every frickin' Guardian that is downed on each side of this war. I will load it with good Minmatar spirits if their pilot was podded. Amarr is still the only military force that use noncombatants in great numbers in wars. We will see lots of them on both sides. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.08 09:50:00 - [27] I believe that there is still a chance that diplomacy could work here, and urge everyone involved to show restraint. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tobias Primus Amarr Laudate Domini	Posted - 2011.01.08 09:55:00 - [28] I pray for Unity at this time. I pray that the Empire can continue to embrace in a closer Friendship all those who choose to offer duty to it and God. Indivisum Gloriam Domini. Tobias Primus, Loyal Servant of the Empire.
Alica Wildfire Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency	Posted - 2011.01.08 10:09:00 - [29] Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 08/01/2011 10:13:36 Originally by: Rodj Blake I believe that there is still a chance that diplomacy could work here, and urge everyone involved to show restraint. Alica crosses her fingers and repeats, whispering: +Not not not not not not…½ I started a full production line for Hoarders for this. Don't disappoint me, boys. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
Ospie The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2011.01.08 11:06:00 - [30] Originally by: lucifers widow Originally by: Rovern Hashu At the formation of faction warfare, CVA informed milita corps that they would not be treated differently for acts of hostility and piracy just because they were members of the milita and that milita members would have to deal with the consequences of their actions. CVA requested assistance Nihilists Social Club and CORIM in the defense of Talcorp's POS. So why aren't CORIM pirates when their members go suicide ganking mining vessels in high sec ? I'd like to establish that much care was taken in assuring that the mining vessels in question were using macros before they were singled out for extermination. All were advised we would engage them if they did not respond and then sent a mail explaining why they were purged. I trust it's understood we are merely extending the same service to high sec as we do to the low sec denizens. Ospie Anti-Macro Division Python Cartel

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