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Jane Griffin	Posted - 2011.01.11 16:33:00 - [91] Wardec for any or no reason is a legitimate strategy. Aimed at characters or players. Leaving corp to avoid wardec is a legitimate strategy. Staying docked to avoid pvp is a legitimate strategy. There is balance here.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.11 16:40:00 - [92] Originally by: Jane Griffin Wardec for any or no reason is a legitimate strategy. Aimed at characters or players. Leaving corp to avoid wardec is a legitimate strategy. Staying docked to avoid pvp is a legitimate strategy. There is balance here. Wardeccing for no reason is, buy definition, not a legitimate strategy since it isn't a strategy at all...
Alexandra Delarge Gallente The Korova	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:46:00 - [93] Edited by: Alexandra Delarge on 11/01/2011 17:46:32 Originally by: Selinate Wardeccing for no reason is, buy definition, not a legitimate strategy since it isn't a strategy at all... You must be new to Eve. You don't need a reason or a strategy to war dec someone. Everybody is free to dec anybody they want. You can declare war because someone has an ugly avatar, a silly name, support a different football team, prefer tea to coffee, etc etc etc. It's an internet spaceship game with a completely different set of rules to standard MMOs.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:51:00 - [94] Originally by: Alexandra Delarge Edited by: Alexandra Delarge on 11/01/2011 17:46:32 Originally by: Selinate Wardeccing for no reason is, buy definition, not a legitimate strategy since it isn't a strategy at all... You must be new to Eve. You don't need a reason or a strategy to war dec someone. Everybody is free to dec anybody they want. You can declare war because someone has an ugly avatar, a silly name, support a different football team, prefer tea to coffee, etc etc etc. It's an internet spaceship game with a completely different set of rules to standard MMOs. Think you misunderstand what Selinate is getting at, it more to do with the lack of planning (strategy) required initially although the strategy could come after the decision on it's implementation.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Alexandra Delarge Edited by: Alexandra Delarge on 11/01/2011 17:46:32 Originally by: Selinate Wardeccing for no reason is, buy definition, not a legitimate strategy since it isn't a strategy at all... You must be new to Eve. You don't need a reason or a strategy to war dec someone. Everybody is free to dec anybody they want. You can declare war because someone has an ugly avatar, a silly name, support a different football team, prefer tea to coffee, etc etc etc. It's an internet spaceship game with a completely different set of rules to standard MMOs. Think you misunderstand what Selinate is getting at, it more to do with the lack of planning (strategy) required initially although the strategy could come after the decision on it's implementation. ^^qft
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Alexandra Delarge You must be new to Eve. You don't need a reason or a strategy to war dec someone. Everybody is free to dec anybody they want. You can declare war because someone has an ugly avatar, a silly name, support a different football team, prefer tea to coffee, etc etc etc. It's an internet spaceship game with a completely different set of rules to standard MMOs. ...and you must have no clue what the difference between game mechanics and good decision making is..."just because you CAN do someting, doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it". You CAN leap headlong off of a 50 story building (without a parachute), but SHOULD you? [21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:58:00 - [97] Edited by: JC Anderson on 11/01/2011 18:01:17 Originally by: Syn Callibri ...and you must have no clue what the difference between game mechanics and good decision making is..."just because you CAN do someting, doesn't mean that you SHOULD do it". You CAN leap headlong off of a 50 story building (without a parachute), but SHOULD you? But.. we can have jet packs right? ;) Anyhow... A good portion of the war dec's are nothing more than a corp selecting other corps to fight for the hell of it. It is the case more often than not that the corp initiating the war dec knows absolutely nothing about the other corp outside of its name. Many will simply choose random corps based on member count. Some choose corps larger than their own because they want a good fight. Some choose mid ground and some simply want to gank as many people as possible and prefer to dec smaller corps than their own. Of course it doesn't always work out this way due to individual skill levels of the pilots on both sides. It's something that has always happened and something that people playing Eve need to accept. Your small industrial corp could very well be the next one to receive a dec from another corp out of something as simple as boredom.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.01.11 18:04:00 - [98] Sounds like a thorough job is being done here on the original contract. I sure wouldn't call this griefing. The Patriot Act? Give me a break.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.11 18:06:00 - [99] So, basically this is a thread in which a corp "were hired to war dec a group of griefers", but the OP doesn't know exactly what defines something as griefing. The comedy alt corp CEO mail aside, the crux of this thread is that the OP is dumb. Or did I miss something? Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.11 18:07:00 - [100] Originally by: JC Anderson But.. we can have jet packs right? ;) Smartazz. [21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C.

Chac San	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:16:00 - [101] Both sides of this are dumb. The CEO of the target alliance should just man up and either take his losses like a man and not throw in the cyber bullying crud The op is just flexing his epeen and ran off to the boards to flaunt it.
lachrymus Gallente Tie Rodarro Corp Hail Of God Society	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:20:00 - [102] Late to this but - as a member of a corp recently wardecced by Unfortunate Soldiers, I have to say they behaved like proper honourable soldiers. They are not griefers...
Major Snitch	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:32:00 - [103] Edited by: Major Snitch on 11/01/2011 20:35:34 CCP rule to remember .....You may not use ôrole-playingö as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users. CCP reserves the right to wipe all user accounts and or inventory of characters whenever we deem it necessary. CCP reserves the right to close any user account and may do so for as long as it is deemed necessary. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:53:00 - [104] Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Vabjekf But if someone does something that obviously does not benefit themselves at all its pretty clear they are just griefing. Lets look at what you just said there. A kid at school gets their dinner money taken by a school bully. So from your statement we can assume its not bullying/griefing because the bully benefits from it. Can you see why your statement is not right? What if the bully is poor and has no lunch money, and the kid he stole from was rich? didn't we all grow up on, and praise Robin Hood? Eat troll, eat. You must be hungry.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:11:00 - [105] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Vabjekf But if someone does something that obviously does not benefit themselves at all its pretty clear they are just griefing. Lets look at what you just said there. A kid at school gets their dinner money taken by a school bully. So from your statement we can assume its not bullying/griefing because the bully benefits from it. Can you see why your statement is not right? What if the bully is poor and has no lunch money, and the kid he stole from was rich? didn't we all grow up on, and praise Robin Hood? Eat troll, eat. You must be hungry. yawn You're an idiot!
GoBack 2WOW	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:18:00 - [106]
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:23:00 - [107] Originally by: GoBack 2WOW Did you come up with that name or did you mum help you? Why does everyone assume people are from WoW. News flash that's not the only other MMO around you know.
GoBack 2WOW	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:34:00 - [108]
Doddy Burning Vendetta	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:36:00 - [109] What constitutes griefing is pretty much down to ccps discretion, but this certainly isn't it. If you were to keep the war-decs up indefinately, war dec any other suspected alt corps, war dec any corp any of the members joined, suicide gank any members who went to npc corps and essentially didn't let any of them out of station ever again then maybe ccp would decide it was griefing. By my book the guy threatening you with the "patriot act" (lolamerica) is more griefing than anything you have done and you should petition him. He also needs to look up what cyber-terrorism actually is.
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:42:00 - [110] Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 11/01/2011 23:31:45 Originally by: GoBack 2WOW Did you come up with that name or did your mum help you? Why does everyone assume people are from WoW. News flash that's not the only other MMO around you know. Oh so you're from some other lame MMO where everyone sits around and double fist-strokes eachother's epeens while dancing around in a field of flowers with rainbows in the background, where noone ever faces setbacks or hardships? Eat up poor troll. Your strength is getting low.

Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:45:00 - [111] Originally by: Corporal Punishment08 Originally by: Forum Guy Edited by: Forum Guy on 11/01/2011 23:31:45 Originally by: GoBack 2WOW Did you come up with that name or did your mum help you? Why does everyone assume people are from WoW. News flash that's not the only other MMO around you know. Oh so you're from some other lame MMO where everyone sits around and double fist-strokes eachother's epeens while dancing around in a field of flowers with rainbows in the background, where noone ever faces setbacks or hardships? Eat up poor troll. Your strength is getting low. If you really want to know, guess I could go back to the game I've played since 2005. But wait, no need I'm here already.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:55:00 - [112] Originally by: Forum Guy If you really want to know, guess I could go back to the game I've played since 2005. But wait, no need I'm here already. I'm surprised you stuck around so long given that you feel you have been griefed any time someone makes a move around you...
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:57:00 - [113] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy If you really want to know, guess I could go back to the game I've played since 2005. But wait, no need I'm here already. I'm surprised you stuck around so long given that you feel you have been griefed any time someone makes a move around you... Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? I don't feel griefed, have you even read the thread?
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:00:00 - [114] Edited by: Sig Sour on 12/01/2011 00:04:01 Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. Originally by: Forum Guy have you even read the thread? No I didn't read 4 pages of comments exchanged by idiots. How reckless of me.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:02:00 - [115] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. is 2+2=5, also? Seems your logic and reasoning needs some work...
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:06:00 - [116] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. I see you misunderstand (easily done as the medium is print), I'm not the sort of person that gets easily offended. As for the blank statement, the name was the statement.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:08:00 - [117] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. is 2+2=5, also? Seems your logic and reasoning needs some work... You might want to set your forum alt as default so you do not make that mistake again. The logic is sound actually. ie: all ducks in the room quack when someone offends ducks - (Selinate quacks) - does this make Selinate a duck? y/n?
Mikhail Dmitriev	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel I help newbs out of w-space Soon I too will "help" newbs out of w-space. With missiles!
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:10:00 - [119] Originally by: Forum Guy I'm not the sort of person that gets easily offended. So what, someone sold you a navy ship and it turns out it wasn't navy after all. Now you are going to post being all mad and stuff going on a rampage to turn Eve into happy land MMO?
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:11:00 - [120] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. is 2+2=5, also? Seems your logic and reasoning needs some work... You might want to set your forum alt as default so you do not make that mistake again. The logic is sound actually. ie: all ducks in the room quack when someone offends ducks - (Selinate quacks) - does this make Selinate a duck? y/n? Sorry, but you are wrong again, Selinate is not an alt of mine. This is my only alt.



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