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Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:13:00 - [121] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy I'm not the sort of person that gets easily offended. So what, someone sold you a navy ship and it turns out it wasn't navy after all. Now you are going to post being all mad and stuff going on a rampage to turn Eve into happy land MMO? Ok now you are just trolling, maybe you should think about writing fiction. But then again I see you do already.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:17:00 - [122] Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 00:18:44 Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy Ok, how did you come to that conclusion? Because you were offended by someone by the name of goback towow posting a blank statement. is 2+2=5, also? Seems your logic and reasoning needs some work... You might want to set your forum alt as default so you do not make that mistake again. The logic is sound actually. ie: all ducks in the room quack when someone offends ducks - (Selinate quacks) - does this make Selinate a duck? y/n? Forum alt? Your logic is flawed again. Forum guy is not my alt. Nice try though. Your original logic flaw was the fact that an idiot posting as a get back 2 wow character does not constitute griefing, and is just an idiot. Someone getting annoyed at this and commenting about it does not necessarily mean that person is oversensitive. You are an idiot.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:21:00 - [123] Originally by: Selinate Forum alt? Your logic is flawed again. Forum guy is not my alt. Nice try though. This is why you deny with both your characters to make sure that you try to cover it up completely. Nice try yourself. Originally by: Forum Guy Ok now you are just trolling, maybe you should think about writing fiction. But then again I see you do already. Seriously if you cant handle normal PVP in Eve and you think its griefing to the point where you will entertain an argument about greifing in Eve.... go back to WoW.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:22:00 - [124] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Forum alt? Your logic is flawed again. Forum guy is not my alt. Nice try though. This is why you deny with both your characters to make sure that you try to cover it up completely. Nice try yourself. Originally by: Forum Guy Ok now you are just trolling, maybe you should think about writing fiction. But then again I see you do already. Seriously if you cant handle normal PVP in Eve and you think its griefing to the point where you will entertain an argument about greifing in Eve.... go back to WoW. LOL you honestly are a fool. Just because 2 people agree that you're an idiot, they MUST be the same person! Wow, this is the second time someone has mistaken me for being the same person as another character in this game.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:24:00 - [125] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Forum alt? Your logic is flawed again. Forum guy is not my alt. Nice try though. This is why you deny with both your characters to make sure that you try to cover it up completely. Nice try yourself. Originally by: Forum Guy Ok now you are just trolling, maybe you should think about writing fiction. But then again I see you do already. Seriously if you cant handle normal PVP in Eve and you think its griefing to the point where you will entertain an argument about greifing in Eve.... go back to WoW. I'm actually a purple 3 headed hydra, you won't believe the truth so you will probably believe that.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:27:00 - [126] Originally by: Forum Guy I'm actually a purple 3 headed hydra, you won't believe the truth so you will probably believe that. Hydras have 9 heads.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:29:00 - [127] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy I'm actually a purple 3 headed hydra, you won't believe the truth so you will probably believe that. Hydras have 9 heads. Apparently this one doesn't. That's why he specified "3 heads".
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:31:00 - [128] Originally by: Selinate Apparently this one doesn't. That's why he specified "3 heads". If you want to make up something you should at least get somewhat educated on the topic.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:34:00 - [129] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Apparently this one doesn't. That's why he specified "3 heads". If you want to make up something you should at least get somewhat educated on the topic. Same goes for you, claiming that Forum Guy is my alt.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:37:00 - [130] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Apparently this one doesn't. That's why he specified "3 heads". If you want to make up something you should at least get somewhat educated on the topic. It's actually a many headed serpent, 9 heads depends what film you watch or drawing you have seen. After all how do you portray a many headed serpent with out quantifying it.

Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:38:00 - [131] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Apparently this one doesn't. That's why he specified "3 heads". If you want to make up something you should at least get somewhat educated on the topic. Same goes for you, claiming that Forum Guy is my alt. It has already been proven that Forum Guy is your alt. You are just mad that your lies have been exposed as well as your lack of knowledge on hydras.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:38:00 - [132] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy I'm actually a purple 3 headed hydra, you won't believe the truth so you will probably believe that. Hydras have 9 heads. Actually, whilst 9 is frequently quoted number, the actual amount of heads varies greatly in the Greek texts. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:39:00 - [133] Originally by: Avon Actually, whilst 9 is frequently quoted number, the actual amount of heads varies greatly in the Greek texts. Did you read the actual Greek texts? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:40:00 - [134] Originally by: Forum Guy It's actually a many headed serpent, 9 heads depends what film you watch or drawing you have seen. After all how do you portray a many headed serpent with out quantifying it. No THE hydra, the one that Hercules killed, had 9 heads. You really shouldn't dismember mythology like that.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:40:00 - [135] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Same goes for you, claiming that Forum Guy is my alt. It has already been proven that Forum Guy is your alt. You are just mad that your lies have been exposed as well as your lack of knowledge on hydras. Proof? Again, just because 2 people (and one of us vehemently) agree that you are an idiot does not mean they MUST be the same person.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:42:00 - [136] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Avon Actually, whilst 9 is frequently quoted number, the actual amount of heads varies greatly in the Greek texts. Did you read the actual Greek texts? -Liang I badly translated 2 once with the help of my classics teacher. Bad days. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:42:00 - [137] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Selinate Same goes for you, claiming that Forum Guy is my alt. It has already been proven that Forum Guy is your alt. You are just mad that your lies have been exposed as well as your lack of knowledge on hydras. Proof? Again, just because 2 people (and one of us vehemently) agree that you are an idiot does not mean they MUST be the same person.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:45:00 - [138] Originally by: Avon I badly translated 2 once with the help of my classics teacher. Bad days. That's pretty cool. Do you happen to remember how many heads there were on the Hydras in the various texts? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died -
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:50:00 - [139] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Avon I badly translated 2 once with the help of my classics teacher. Bad days. That's pretty cool. Do you happen to remember how many heads there were on the Hydras in the various texts? -Liang Honestly, no. I remember one gave the impression of a "swarm" of heads, but it was all a long time ago. (My education in the classics, not the Hydra - remarkable though it may seem that was even longer ago). I could probably check out some of the versions I still have, but I'd struggle with the Greek ones. I would probably be okay with the latin translations I have, but then we are moving further away from the source material I guess. Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:51:00 - [140] Edited by: Forum Guy on 12/01/2011 00:51:15 Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Forum Guy It's actually a many headed serpent, 9 heads depends what film you watch or drawing you have seen. After all how do you portray a many headed serpent with out quantifying it. No THE hydra, the one that Hercules killed, had 9 heads. You really shouldn't dismember mythology like that. Like I said it's a many headed hydra they can't illustrate a many headed hydra without giving it a quantity. It could just as easily have been 8 or 10. Maybe 9 was just more aesthetically pleasing.

Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:52:00 - [141] Originally by: Avon Honestly, no. I remember one gave the impression of a "swarm" of heads, but it was all a long time ago. It was 9.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:00:00 - [142] Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Taedrin The OP definitely offered several terms: he wanted an Orca and a Rattlesnake dead and on their killboard. As much as I am opposed to kill mail whoring, this is definitely not griefing. He certainly wanted that but not from the corp that he was contracted to war-dec. I hate to be late, but I was at class all afternoon. Whether or not you were hired to wardec someone is irrelevant to the argument. If it were relevant, then it would only imply that the "blame" would pass from the corporation conducting the wardec to the person who hired them. It would not change the "ethicality" of the wardec itself. Thus being hired to wardec a corporation or doing so "for no reason" has nothing to do with offering them terms of surrender, and does not change the fact that offering terms of surrender gives the victim a "way out". Even if these terms are impossible, the corporation can disband and the members go back to an NPC corp. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:06:00 - [143] Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Avon Honestly, no. I remember one gave the impression of a "swarm" of heads, but it was all a long time ago. It was 9. it's commonly accepted between 5 and one hundred, but due some text, now it is considered 9 heads now if you wish to come and claim ur right, then i suggest go meet some ancient greek professor and discuss this with him about the proper text and proper translation of ancient greek to english.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:08:00 - [144] Edited by: Selinate on 12/01/2011 01:08:11 Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Avon Honestly, no. I remember one gave the impression of a "swarm" of heads, but it was all a long time ago. It was 9. The internetz disagree Gives a descripton of the hydra with the info on the constellation. Simply says the original poets said that the Hydra had more heads than a vase painter could paint. Specifically says "the number of heads vary" While the internetz is not always right, it is generally accepted that internetz > you.
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:13:00 - [145] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Forum Guy Originally by: Taedrin The OP definitely offered several terms: he wanted an Orca and a Rattlesnake dead and on their killboard. As much as I am opposed to kill mail whoring, this is definitely not griefing. He certainly wanted that but not from the corp that he was contracted to war-dec. I hate to be late, but I was at class all afternoon. Whether or not you were hired to wardec someone is irrelevant to the argument. If it were relevant, then it would only imply that the "blame" would pass from the corporation conducting the wardec to the person who hired them. It would not change the "ethicality" of the wardec itself. Thus being hired to wardec a corporation or doing so "for no reason" has nothing to do with offering them terms of surrender, and does not change the fact that offering terms of surrender gives the victim a "way out". Even if these terms are impossible, the corporation can disband and the members go back to an NPC corp. Ok took me little while to see where you were coming from in response to my comment. I should have made it clearer, I was refering to the Orca and Rattlesnake not the terms offered.
Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:14:00 - [146] also as selinate points in some text, the hydra gets killed with fire, in other the monster had only 1 true mortal head, on another the hydra own blood it's so poisonous that after cover heracles sword it poison and kills the hydra.. good thing about greek mythos is that almost any one of them have like 5or 6 variations.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:18:00 - [147] Edited by: Avon on 12/01/2011 01:18:55 Originally by: Sadayiel also as selinate points in some text, the hydra gets killed with fire, in other the monster had only 1 true mortal head, on another the hydra own blood it's so poisonous that after cover heracles sword it poison and kills the hydra.. good thing about greek mythos is that almost any one of them have like 5or 6 variations. Or 9. Sorry, I just had to do it :P serpens, quinquaginta habens capita, vel, ut quidam di****, septem Signature removed, please only use English on the forums. Zymurgist Okay sweet-cheeks xxx. Avon
Nyrawin	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:18:00 - [148] If you are unsure if something could be classed as griefing imho safe bet is to write petition to GMs about it. If they say it is not griefing then it is not griefing.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:33:00 - [149] Originally by: Forum Guy I'm actually a purple 3 headed hydra, you won't believe the truth so you will probably believe that. Aww man I bet you drop phat lewtz. <---(Is that proper leet speak terminology?) Anyhow.... I forgot what the heck this thread is about. :/
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.01.12 02:41:00 - [150] Originally by: Selinate herp Originally by: Forum Guy derp Originally by: Sig Sour durr Get a ****ing room



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