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Themanfromdalmontee	Posted - 2011.01.15 07:47:00 - [121] Sadly some of the comments here from americans shows why sooo many people find them to be a bunch of brain washed special people with no apreciation of the world around them. Now, in the UK our police do not carry guns, why because they don't need to on a day to day basis. They have stab vests because when you arrest someone, you are generally close range... America needs fixing: 1) Removal of guns will not do anything sadly, too many in circulation. Removal of Ammo, might help, but would limit survial during a zombie attack.. 2) Removal of anyone that spouts God's book says..random offensive and non rational comment against someone that can't fight back. 3) Removal of people who think movies are documentaries....I'm sure many scottish people climb down toilets just like in trainspotting! I'm lucky all my american friends are sane, intellegent, well traveled and tend not to watch fox news other than to laugh.
Nebulous Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2011.01.15 11:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Sadly some of the comments here from americans shows why sooo many people find them to be a bunch of brain washed special people with no apreciation of the world around them. Not really, it is simple psychology and human conditioning, in the same way calling yourself british, english and/or any other form of self labeling is conditioning. Obviously in America guns are something people grow up with and around in many states. Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee Now, in the UK our police do not carry guns, why because they don't need to on a day to day basis. They have stab vests because when you arrest someone, you are generally close range... I'm not going to go into my opinion on firearms, but you must live in a different UK to me, because the main reason I believe police here do not need guns is because they are more interested in depriving law abiding people of their hard earned cash than dealing with dangerous criminals, I mean what are the odds of law abiding Joe Bloggs pulling a gun on a cop that is gonna fine him for not wearing his seatbelt? Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee America needs fixing: Well no, the whole world needs fixing. Originally by: Themanfromdalmontee I'm lucky all my american friends are sane, intellegent, well traveled and tend not to watch fox news other than to laugh. Well how lucky those Americans are to have your approval
Riedle Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.01.15 11:37:00 - [123] Edited by: Riedle on 15/01/2011 11:37:50 Quote: I'm lucky all my american friends are sane, intellegent, well traveled and tend not to watch fox news other than to laugh So... did you ever stop to think that maybe your perception of AMERIKANS is therefore wrong? Nope. You kept up with your ignorant sterotyping of 310 million people because "that's what the Telly says".. amirite? This despite all the people you know from America are sane, well traveled . LOL You are going to some real lengths to keep your stereotyping alive! good job ol chap! I think that says all that needs to be said about your individual IQ. I won't resort to slagging your fellow countrymen. ;)
Ische Qou	Posted - 2011.01.15 19:39:00 - [124] America needs more guns If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off.
Jhagiti Tyran Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.01.15 19:43:00 - [125] Originally by: Ische Qou America needs more guns If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off. Link a single creditable reference that shows a situation where a member of the public stopped or prevented a mass shooting by using a firearm themselves. I wonder if there has ever been a single incident like that.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.15 21:20:00 - [126] Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Ische Qou America needs more guns If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off. Link a single creditable reference that shows a situation where a member of the public stopped or prevented a mass shooting by using a firearm themselves. I wonder if there has ever been a single incident like that. Linkage Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.15 21:53:00 - [127] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Linkage This link is made of pure win.
Jhagiti Tyran Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.01.15 22:14:00 - [128] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran Originally by: Ische Qou America needs more guns If that congresswoman had carried a gun and some bodyguards, that perp might never have gotten a single shot off. Link a single creditable reference that shows a situation where a member of the public stopped or prevented a mass shooting by using a firearm themselves. I wonder if there has ever been a single incident like that. Linkage I never doubted robberies have been stopped but I want to see if armed passers by have ever stopped or prevented a mass shooting.
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2011.01.16 00:26:00 - [129] actually the shooting in az had 2 concealed cary civilians respond, the problem was they couldnt get a clear shot due to the crowd, and the crowd dogpiled him while he was reloading there are several other incidents http://www.davekopel.com/2A/OthWr/principal&gun.htm then there was the Appalachain Law School shootings Most news articles say the students "confronted" or "tackled" the gunman. They neglect to mention that these students were armed. its considered a classic case of media bias against stories of armed citizens interfearing. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/13/national/main2466711.shtml (they are quick to mention that he was off duty, they fail to mention that he was out of uniform and carrying concealed. not a mass shooting more of a mass knife attack but still stopped by a armed citizen http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8J0MBOG2&show_article=1
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2011.01.16 00:36:00 - [130] also http://massbackwards.blogspot.com/2007/04/who-says-size-matters.html finially not a mass shooting stopping, however personally my concealed cary gun has prevented me from getting knifed in the stairway of my appartment, during the same year it allowed me to stop a deranged ex husband from harming his ex wife in a dennys. ( 9mm trumps skinning knife fairly well.) I can say for certain that I owe my life to the forthought of the founding fathers and to the state of missouri for allowing concealed cary.

Marcus Henik	Posted - 2011.01.16 00:56:00 - [131] I apologise for the wall of text however several studys done in by reputibal reaserchers in america have shown a net benefit in crime prevention from both the presance of guns and from concealed cary laws. Bruce L. Benson, Florida State University, and Brent D. Mast, American Enterprise Institute, 'Privately Produced General Deterrence', The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001[3] Florenz Plassmann, State University of New York at Binghamton, and T. Nicolaus Tideman, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, "Does the right to carry concealed handguns deter countable crimes? Only a count analysis can say", The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001[4] Carlisle E. Moody, College of William and Mary, "Testing for the effects of concealed weapons laws: Specification errors and robustness," The Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001[5] William Alan Bartley and Mark A. Cohen, Vanderbilt University, 'The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis', Economic Inquiry, 1998[6] Florenz Plassmann, State University of New York at Binghamton, and John Whitley, University of Adelaide, 'Confirming More Guns, Less Crime', Stanford Law Review, 2003.[7] Eric Helland, Claremont-McKenna College and Alexander Tabarrok, George Mason University, "Using Placebo Laws to Test 'More Guns, Less Crime'," The B.E. Journal of Economic Analysis & Policy, 2008.[8] Carlisle E. Moody, College of William and Mary, and Thomas B. Marvell, Justec Research, 'The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws', Econ Journal Watch, 2008.[9] ôI would ask gun control advocates one question: name a single place in the entire world where murder rates fell after gun control laws were passed.ö
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2011.01.16 00:59:00 - [132] http://polyticks.com/polyticks/beararms/liars/moreguns.htm interesting numbers
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.16 01:24:00 - [133] That must be a ****ty neighbourhood to live in. ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Intar Medris Amarr EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2011.01.16 01:24:00 - [134] Another video games are to blame thread. Please do leave your left wing bull** at home. I Make Forums For Corps And Alliances. 50 Mil ISK See Example Forum To Get A Idea of What Your's Could Look Like** Example Forum
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.16 01:46:00 - [135] This guy would not have been shot if he had not interfered and had been carrying a gun. So no, guns are not necessary to act but they can definitely help if the individual knows how to use them. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2011.01.16 02:12:00 - [136] Yes it is a very bad neiborhood, if your familiar with kansas city I lived aprox 3 blocks off of the paseao, its not exactly detroit, gary in or east st louis IL, but still a nasty area.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.16 18:24:00 - [137] Originally by: Intar Medris Another video games are to blame thread. Please do leave your left wing bull**** at home. Sorry to burst your partisan bubble but the anti-violent game movement was started and still primarily pushed by the Christian right Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.16 20:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Marcus Henik Edited by: Marcus Henik on 16/01/2011 02:05:45 This site has some interesting numbers. I saw some numbers that said over 30,000 die to gunshots every year in the USA. This means that America is more dangerous than the Vietnam war I also found out that 12 died in the UK last year due to toasters
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.01.16 21:18:00 - [139] 30,000 die in a year to firearms in the USA? Seems high, but a very large % of them are young thugs killing other thugs over gang turf and drug markets. Violence in these areas tends to badly skew the data nationwide. Your average red-blooded NRA lifetime member tends to be far more responsible with firearms than the 'average American'. States like New Hampshire or Wyoming that are mostly white and rural tend to have high rates of gun ownership, but relatively low rates of gun crime - go figure. Sure, call me racist for bringing it up, but I get tired of people blaming stereotypical white American country boys and hunters for violence committed almost exclusively between gangs of minorities in the slums of LA. If you could somehow take firearms away from these violence-prone racial groups - you'd see US gun crime rates crash overnight. Fact.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.16 21:35:00 - [140] Originally by: Herr Wilkus 30,000 die in a year to firearms in the USA? Seems high, but a very large % of them are young thugs killing other thugs over gang turf and drug markets. Violence in these areas tends to badly skew the data nationwide. Your average red-blooded NRA lifetime member tends to be far more responsible with firearms than the 'average American'. States like New Hampshire or Wyoming that are mostly white and rural tend to have high rates of gun ownership, but relatively low rates of gun crime - go figure. Sure, call me racist for bringing it up, but I get tired of people blaming stereotypical white American country boys and hunters for violence committed almost exclusively between gangs of minorities in the slums of LA. If you could somehow take firearms away from these violence-prone racial groups - you'd see US gun crime rates crash overnight. Fact. Kinda what I have been saying. Gun controls so the nutters, druggies and criminals cannot buy them legaly. Are you not mad and law abiding? Sure have that 9mm.

Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.16 21:43:00 - [141] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/01/2011 21:50:06 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/01/2011 21:48:27 Originally by: Herr Wilkus 30,000 die in a year to firearms in the USA? Seems high, but a very large % of them are young thugs killing other thugs over gang turf and drug markets. Violence in these areas tends to badly skew the data nationwide. Your average red-blooded NRA lifetime member tends to be far more responsible with firearms than the 'average American'. States like New Hampshire or Wyoming that are mostly white and rural tend to have high rates of gun ownership, but relatively low rates of gun crime - go figure. Sure, call me racist for bringing it up, but I get tired of people blaming stereotypical white American country boys and hunters for violence committed almost exclusively between gangs of minorities in the slums of LA. If you could somehow take firearms away from these violence-prone racial groups - you'd see US gun crime rates crash overnight. Fact. Yeah but it is typically the white nutter that does the mass shootings and add in the fact that there is rather larger rural black population that are also redneck hunters, kinda shoots your proposal in the foot. EDIT: I also laugh at your thought that just because a majority of shooting deaths in the US are black on black crimes that this disqualifies white people as a violent race. That is just pure comedy. EDIT 2: And Baltec, convicted felons have not allowed to buy guns legally for as long as I have been alive. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.01.16 21:49:00 - [142] Mind you, I'm not terribly upset if gangbangers are killing each other. Some would even say that is one of the upsides of the 2nd Amendment, as dead criminals are much cheaper and easier for the justice system to process. I just get the feeling that Europeans think American 'gun nuts' and imagine the sterotypical NRA member, gun show frequenter, deer hunter. Then they cite high levels of American gun violence. But 'gun nuts' as you call them, according to FBI crime statistics - aren't the ones creating the violence.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.16 21:58:00 - [143] Originally by: Herr Wilkus Mind you, I'm not terribly upset if gangbangers are killing each other. Some would even say that is one of the upsides of the 2nd Amendment, as dead criminals are much cheaper and easier for the justice system to process. I just get the feeling that Europeans think American 'gun nuts' and imagine the sterotypical NRA member, gun show frequenter, deer hunter. Then they cite high levels of American gun violence. But 'gun nuts' as you call them, according to FBI crime statistics - aren't the ones creating the violence. This is a whole other discussion, but there are a good number of things that make those inner city citizens criminals that I quite honestly do not think should be illegal to begin with. As for the not allowing 'druggies' to legally buy guns should only be accepted if alcoholics are also included in that bunch. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2011.01.16 23:47:00 - [144] There is something clearly wrong with America, and no one can deny that. You don't see killing sprees on a regular basis anywhere else, and there has to be a reason. But it's not about guns or politics, or any one thing. Even if people would like to believe that to simply the real problem. Americans are just generally aggressive and angry towards everyone and about every subject. It doesn't make for a healthy society. Some people snap under the pressure and just start shooting. Yours truly, Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Riedle Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:14:00 - [145] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 00:15:39 There is something clearly wrong with America, and no one can deny that. You don't see killing sprees on a regular basis anywhere else, and there has to be a reason. But it's not about guns or politics, or any one thing. Even if people would like to believe that to simply the real problem. Americans, on the average, are generally aggressive and angry towards everyone and about every subject. Moreso than any other country. It doesn't make for a healthy society. Some people snap under the pressure and just start shooting. All the gun worship doesn't help, either. I think the world in general right now has the same problem, but it's greatly amplified in the US. Are you sure about that? I mean, would your opinion on America change if you were shown to be wrong wrt America being unique as far as killing sprees goes?
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:26:00 - [146] "Oh no! One nut job does something crazy, that menas we must drastically alter our society and make laws that affect everyone else! Hurf Durf!" Mainstream media is so ****ty I lack words... So is its followers for that matter.
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:27:00 - [147] Finland has much stricter firearm regulations, and very low crime and corruption rates. Yet.... Here... Jokela, 2007. Eight dead. And here too..Kauhajoki, 2008. 10 dead. I guess that means those Finns are just sick, sick puppies at heart, right? (Well, they are - I'm dating one....but I don't think snobs in the UK can point the finger and chant "US bad, EU good", when this kind of stuff occurs in Europe as well.)
Riedle Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:06:00 - [148] The most prolific serial killer of the modern era is from the UK.. lols
Failccpfails	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:51:00 - [149] OP is a normal moron... You know this aint the only shooting that has happened in the last month right... they happen like everyday... this is only in the news because of the number of people... who gives a ****... What I think 2 people die every second on the planet... omg 6 more big deal.
Jhagiti Tyran Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:36:00 - [150] Originally by: Herr Wilkus Finland has much stricter firearm regulations, and very low crime and corruption rates. Yet.... Here... Jokela, 2007. Eight dead. And here too..Kauhajoki, 2008. 10 dead. I guess that means those Finns are just sick, sick puppies at heart, right? (Well, they are - I'm dating one....but I don't think snobs in the UK can point the finger and chant "US bad, EU good", when this kind of stuff occurs in Europe as well.) Germany has seen several schools turned into a shooting gallery, most European countries have but no one is trying to say they only happen in the US because they don't but the US certainly seems to have more than its fair share. As for British "snobs" the people from the UK posting here are defending our gun laws as much as they are laughing at the gun madness in the US because they either cannot see or refuse to see what it costs them, several posters here claim that the laws in the UK are not effective when they clearly are. It is no coincidence that three of the worst mass shootings in recent British history where carried out by people who held a firearms certificate. Originally by: Failccpfails OP is a normal moron... You know this aint the only shooting that has happened in the last month right... they happen like everyday... this is only in the news because of the number of people... who gives a ****... What I think 2 people die every second on the planet... omg 6 more big deal. Tell that to the family of that little girl and the family of the other people where shot.



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