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Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:13:00 - [1] Do you plan to bring out a fix for this unplanned problem or are you just going to exclude those with older computers (which still run the game fine otherwise)?
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Lork Niffle on 17/01/2011 19:06:43 Systems that cannot use SSE2 are over 7 years old. Often more due to the wave of new system's back in 1999 with the release of SSE Many new games require half decent system's to run them adequately, that should of been news enough to get not necessarily a new system, but an up to date one. Frankly running a system for more than a decade after it was introduced especially with the massive technology boom we've had in 2004-2006 and then complaining that it's being depreciated. A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Shereza	Posted - 2011.01.17 19:48:00 - [3] Originally by: Lork Niffle Many new games require half decent system's to run them adequately, that should of been news enough to get not necessarily a new system, but an up to date one. While I don't disagree with you I feel the need to point out a couple things. There are more than a few gamers out there that use their systems to play older games like Diablo II, World of Warcraft, (until tomorrow) EVE, and newer but relatively low-requirement games such as Fiesta. Likewise there are more than a few people who just can't give up their older PC and keep it limping along with such measures as plugging in an HD4650 AGP graphics card. As I said, I don't disagree. If a software developer decides to change something in their program(s) that renders older hardware unable to run it that's their prerogative and the end-user needs to adapt by either updating their hardware or no longer using the software in question. I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that there are people out there, minority that they may be, who don't need to update their machines until/unless someone makes an apparently arbitrary change such as this to their code. Of course this issue is somewhat compounded by the fact that it's a change to third party software and not something CCP has any direct in-house control over. Originally by: Lork Niffle A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well. You forgot the RAM, and possibly a new video card as well, and likely a new PSU as well. The gap between an Athlon XP-based system and one build around a Phenom II system is so large that there are very few components that can be carried over and building/buying a completely new system is almost required. That said, a new cheap motherboard/CPU combo can actually be purchased for under $100. Heck, you could get a motherboard, Athlon II dual-core CPU, and 4gb DDR2 for $153, $11 cheaper than the ú100 you suggest. I personally wouldn't want to try to game with that sort of system, but it has a GeForce 6100 IGP and an IDE port so as long as the individual's PSU supported a 24 pin ATX power connector they could update their system to play EVE for under a hair under ú94, based on NewEgg's pricing for continental US shipping which, for the items involved, warrants no S&M fees. Personally, I'm just somewhat sad that I'll no longer be able to play EVE on my old PC. Granted I haven't used it for much over the last 1.5 years since I replaced it, but now I won't even have the option of showing off EVE to my roommates on the 32" TV in the living room once I install it as the media/movie center.
Zeronic Gallente Zero Core Labs	Posted - 2011.01.17 21:07:00 - [4] I don't think they should have too, if your running a 7+ Year old machine it not their problem that you can't upgrade. Tigerdirect.com has some off-lease system that could fit the bill for less than $300 USD.
Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.18 09:33:00 - [5] What happened to my original post and the replies? Someone censoring discussion? If you read really carefully you would have seen that I was asking for information on CCPs plans and timescales so I knew what options were viable.I was not arguing that this was not inevitable at some point. I do think it is reasonable to expect more than 12 hours notice that you are about to be discarded as a customer, so you have an opportunity to take alternative action.
Misunderstood Genius	Posted - 2011.01.18 11:06:00 - [6] In the century of high-speed technological evolution it's the user's job to adapt and not vice versa. I can understand that some users could be annoyed but from my pov they are simply wrong then.
Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.18 11:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Misunderstood Genius In the century of high-speed technological evolution it's the user's job to adapt and not vice versa. I can understand that some users could be annoyed but from my pov they are simply wrong then. I don't have a problem with having to adapt, its just not possible overnight and I believe the change should have been handled in a more controlled way giving people reasonable time.
Zeronic Gallente Zero Core Labs	Posted - 2011.01.18 14:27:00 - [8] Well it not like CCP has a old Intel P3 or AMD Athlon XP in their test bed, a user report this during testing of the test deploy on SISI. This was not in the planes for CCP. So some of the outsource/third party files that help run the game got updated and left out the old non SSE2 CPUs. So if the third party aware of this, I'm betting so but did any of them even tell CCP that was going to happen, doubtful. At the very least this it didn't happen on the day the patch for the expansion came out. I don't thing they are going to fix the issue, being as small as it is at 0.3%, plus with the limited power those computer can supply it a good chance that they can't make full use of the game.
AdZc Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix	Posted - 2011.01.18 14:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Xinxs Edited by: Xinxs on 18/01/2011 11:15:49 If you read really carefully you would have seen that I was asking for information on CCPs plans and timescales so I knew what options were viable.I was not arguing that this was not inevitable at some point. I do think it is reasonable to expect more than 12 hours notice that you are about to be discarded as a customer, so you have an opportunity to take alternative action. Originally by: CCP Zulu In an epiphany moment, a diligent tester figured out that some of the third party binaries we use to run EVE Online had been updated recently. Looking further into the issue, we found that a feature had been turned on that used the SSE2 instruction set and the unexpected fallout was that non-SSE2 capable CPUs became incompatible. I think they told us as soon as they realised. From Here Originally by: Wacktopia 1.In r/l blasters actually hit the target becoz they were made better after the web nerf 2.Minny grls wil do pretty-much anything. 3.Quafe tastes like ass*(I know this becoz of 2.
Cora Saper Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation	Posted - 2011.01.18 15:54:00 - [10] Thanks CCP, I know that Athlon XP proccesors and like are out of date but to be told that I can't play eve 2 days before patch is "little" fu**ed up. And since I am stil poor student I can't buy new pc in 2 days. So thanks for all the fish and bye - you can count me out because I will not play eve until I can buy new pc.

Krikann Kathgar	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:11:00 - [11] It is unfair that we are being told this so suddenly. I didn't actually notice this post until a few mins ago. I know the hardware is old, but please? I was running the game perfectly fine. I love EVE. It's sad that CCP have a disregard for that 0.3% of their player base.
Laashanna	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:55:00 - [12] Really folks did you read what they said about this? This wasn't something they did by intent. It's something that came in from a 3rd party library. They only discovered this in their beta testing recently when they were trying to figure out why some people's systems were crashing.
Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Laashanna Really folks did you read what they said about this? This wasn't something they did by intent. It's something that came in from a 3rd party library. They only discovered this in their beta testing recently when they were trying to figure out why some people's systems were crashing. Nothing actually forced them to carry out the update now. They could have delayed it, assessed the scale of the problem and given people reasonable warning before implementing it at a later time.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:07:00 - [14] The scale of the problem was 0.3%. Considering back on my first post, system that cannot use SSE2 are very outdated. I do not know of many systems that can have a CPU that old and still support a SM2.0 graphics chip as well, especially without the system already having a upgraded power supply. I also cannot think of many systems like that being able to run modern operating systems efficiently either. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Asyrdin Harate Aura of Darkness Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:26:00 - [15] I'm mostly annoyed with the short advance warning. If my computer is not good enough anymore at least let me know 3 weeks beforehand so i can take some time to look for a new one.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:28:00 - [16] Well a third party caused it, and you don't expect CPU incompatibles very often, so much so that finding a bug caused by one is often the end result of a lot of testing ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Asyrdin Harate Aura of Darkness Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:34:00 - [17] That is not my problem... i pay 45E a month for this game, i expect to get important information like this well beforehand. Right now i'm paying for a service i don't have access to and had no(hardly any) advance warning for that i would get cut off from it. almost plain robbery if its not fixed.
Xinxs	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Lork Niffle The scale of the problem was 0.3%. Not correct - the estimate of the scale is 0.3% - the actual scale will be measured by the number of petitions raised. Originally by: Lork Niffle Considering back on my first post, system that cannot use SSE2 are very outdated. I do not know of many systems that can have a CPU that old and still support a SM2.0 graphics chip as well, especially without the system already having a upgraded power supply. I also cannot think of many systems like that being able to run modern operating systems efficiently either. You are just showing your lack of knowledge here. You cannot actually buy new technology before it becomes available, so people buying a new system 7 years ago had to buy what was available eg Athlon XPs. Many AGP graphics cards from that time support SM2.0 graphics eg ATI Radeon 9800pro. The power supply naturally meets the needs of the system. The system runs windows XP fine, a sight more efficiently than many more recent systems running Windows Vista. Till now EVE has run absolutely fine including large scale fleet fights (without brackets - just like most modern systems). Full graphics works fine away from fleet fights. I don't play other modern games so their requirements are irrelevant.
BrillyMister Amarr Xkallzor INC DUST Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:42:00 - [19] so if i cant load eve to get to the file petition menu thing how am i ment to let them know that because of there disregard for there customers they now have many players unable to acsess the game they have spent a large sum of money paying for. i personally cannot afford to buy a new motherboard and CPU plus new ram video card. it would be cheaper to buy a new PC and that costs me ú200+. i think CCP should really do sometihng to fix this just to suggest that the patch could be optional so that people with out SSE2 can still continue playing
Sacha Sinclair Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:45:00 - [20] Originally by: BrillyMister so if i cant load eve to get to the file petition menu thing how am i ment to let them know that because of there disregard for there customers they now have many players unable to acsess the game https://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx

BrillyMister Amarr Xkallzor INC DUST Conglomerate	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:36:00 - [21] done the petiion thing now i rally hope CCP can ee whatsgoing on asclear as everyone else this updates doe 3 thngs... 1)blcked a ile of people from playingeve uless they fork ou hundreds of pounds 2) gven people horrible lagg 3)given people consantcrshing every few minuites. i really ope the take his patch down untill they finish it so it works...
Cormall	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:41:00 - [22] My budget won't allow me to buy a new system (a new MB and cpu won't do it alone) so it's goodbye Eve!
ITz Brilly	Posted - 2011.01.18 21:45:00 - [23] same
UKM Thorgrim Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:03:00 - [24] as for updating a system for ú100.00 it's Bull***t new motherboard ú35.00 New CPU ú34.0. New Memory ú17.00 = 2gig New vid card min 512 ú35.00 New HD Sata + ú27.00 New Cooling system ú20.00 Plus bits and bobs ú23.00 Total ú191.00 + ú 2 watser GTC's @ ú48.00 = ú239.00 IS eve really woth it.. ? Older systems are IDE & AGP based, all new systems PCI & PCIE In my case i work hard for a living ú200 splash out on a new system is a min of 2 months away. plus i'm just back in game for 10 days, after 9 months out. so add on 3 60 day GTC's wasted. UKM Thorgrim / Reconnoitre Honour & Steel.
Teh Minez0r	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:32:00 - [25] get a dual core celeron socket 775, costs prolly 20 quids and not 35 but has loads more power than a p3/athlon xp, runs cooler and also needs less power. And there are enough 775 boards with AGP slots, so you can prolly still use your old gfx.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:38:00 - [26] ATI made an AGP 8x 4670, making it a very appreciable card for old systems that need a decent GPU for an AGP slot. Most new Motherboards can still support IDE. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Nelson Cypher Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:45:00 - [27] Before anyone starts flaming my post, let me start by saying, yes I am computer illiterate! I have 2 pc's in my house and both my wife and I play EVE. She just reactivated her account after a long break, but we were enjoying playing together. After today's patch she is no longer able to play. Yes, hers is a older pc, as is mine as a matter of fact. It played EVE just fine after setting graphics a little lower and it has never been a issue. Mine still will play EVE but with noticeable lag now. I do not understand, with all the game developers on staff at CCP, that this was allowed to be an issue. The post that was made to warn everyone that some people will not be able to play is simply bu!!sh!t! I can go to Wal-mart and buy any game off the shelf and play it. If this is not going to be a fixed issue then I just paid the last 4 years to create and build characters that I will no longer be able to use. I am sure that with soon to come patches my pc will become unable to play EVE if this is not a fixed issue. I know all of you hard core gamers and pc geniuses will just say its your fault for not upgrading! Do you upgrade your car just because its old and still runs perfect? Buy a new house because its older but still in great condition? NO! If you do then you are just to vain or have entirely to much money! Why would someone upgrade their PC when it runs everything just fine! This is just a slap in the face and CCP does not care if they lose some customers! Yes, buying a new pc would be great but, there are many other bills to be paid before upgrading pc's! I hope this is a fixable issue! Otherwise, they will be losing 3 more subscribers!
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:13:00 - [28] Edited by: Lork Niffle on 18/01/2011 23:16:13 Computer systems and the software layers that run on it are considerably more complex than a car or house or anything in this world, so much so that there is no comparison. I have had incompatibilities with many games on each version of Windows, different graphics chips and different systems. Each time, I Google the problem and find the cause of it, I then accept responsibility that I have to resolve this, since for non-MMO games, patches are rare to begin with. Unlike cars or houses, computer systems change even after they are bought, software updates itself, hardware becomes unnecessary and new routines are brought in that are much more efficient and since computers cannot be static objects, old hardware has to be phased out for anyone to make improvements. We haven't got to this point today without getting rid of old hardware or standards. Believe me, as much that can be done is being done to keep standards alive and hardware to be inter-compatible but eventually we have to move up. I also do not have any income, for me to buy new computers and hardware is a fairly complicated procedure since I have to find money that doesn't exist. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Astronauta	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Nelson Cypher Before anyone starts flaming my post, let me start by saying, yes I am computer illiterate! I have 2 pc's in my house and both my wife and I play EVE. She just reactivated her account after a long break, but we were enjoying playing together. After today's patch she is no longer able to play. Yes, hers is a older pc, as is mine as a matter of fact. It played EVE just fine after setting graphics a little lower and it has never been a issue. Mine still will play EVE but with noticeable lag now. I do not understand, with all the game developers on staff at CCP, that this was allowed to be an issue. The post that was made to warn everyone that some people will not be able to play is simply bu!!sh!t! I can go to Wal-mart and buy any game off the shelf and play it. If this is not going to be a fixed issue then I just paid the last 4 years to create and build characters that I will no longer be able to use. I am sure that with soon to come patches my pc will become unable to play EVE if this is not a fixed issue. I know all of you hard core gamers and pc geniuses will just say its your fault for not upgrading! Do you upgrade your car just because its old and still runs perfect? Buy a new house because its older but still in great condition? NO! If you do then you are just to vain or have entirely to much money! Why would someone upgrade their PC when it runs everything just fine! This is just a slap in the face and CCP does not care if they lose some customers! Yes, buying a new pc would be great but, there are many other bills to be paid before upgrading pc's! I hope this is a fixable issue! Otherwise, they will be losing 3 more subscribers! I totally agree I just managed to swindle a 3rd desktop from my son, just to make handling 3 accounts easier, and now this. We may only be .3% but we are still paying customers. As Nelson said why would you upgrade a perfectly good sytem??? Noit going to upgraade to a new computer, if there is no fix..I'll be cancelling out my 3 accounts as well!!
Dare Knight Minmatar Freelance Mining Company	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Dare Knight on 18/01/2011 23:24:30 Find me another MMO that keeps up with the times on this broad of a scale. WoW? Nope. Graphics updates, yes, but still sticking with the same resources which were made how long ago? FFXI? Nope. Look at it. What was then an amazing graphics engine sucks terribly now, even with things like Windower and drawdistance. Most other F2P MMOs look rather... well, dated as well. Let alone that new feature releases are rare in the stated games above. CCP adds things to keep up with the times, updates old things to... keep up with the times, and the third-party developers do the same, to, you know... keep up with the times. EvE will compete with any current-gen MMO out there because of this. I'm so sorry that you're poor and can't afford a decent system that's less than, say, 5 years old, but you can't expect your 8086 to run Windows 7. In the words of so many who have said so few, "Who cares if you're a paying customer? Get with the times or GTFO". Except... oh! That decision was already made for you. --- I just can't figure it out. If only I could pew pew with my mining laz0rs and make you go boom.... THAT would be the best of both worlds.



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