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Xinxs
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:13:00 -
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Do you plan to bring out a fix for this unplanned problem or are you just going to exclude those with older computers (which still run the game fine otherwise)?
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lork Niffle on 17/01/2011 19:06:43 Systems that cannot use SSE2 are over 7 years old. Often more due to the wave of new system's back in 1999 with the release of SSE
Many new games require half decent system's to run them adequately, that should of been news enough to get not necessarily a new system, but an up to date one.
Frankly running a system for more than a decade after it was introduced especially with the massive technology boom we've had in 2004-2006 and then complaining that it's being depreciated.
A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Shereza
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle Many new games require half decent system's to run them adequately, that should of been news enough to get not necessarily a new system, but an up to date one.
While I don't disagree with you I feel the need to point out a couple things. There are more than a few gamers out there that use their systems to play older games like Diablo II, World of Warcraft, (until tomorrow) EVE, and newer but relatively low-requirement games such as Fiesta. Likewise there are more than a few people who just can't give up their older PC and keep it limping along with such measures as plugging in an HD4650 AGP graphics card.
As I said, I don't disagree. If a software developer decides to change something in their program(s) that renders older hardware unable to run it that's their prerogative and the end-user needs to adapt by either updating their hardware or no longer using the software in question.
I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that there are people out there, minority that they may be, who don't need to update their machines until/unless someone makes an apparently arbitrary change such as this to their code. Of course this issue is somewhat compounded by the fact that it's a change to third party software and not something CCP has any direct in-house control over.
Originally by: Lork Niffle A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well.
You forgot the RAM, and possibly a new video card as well, and likely a new PSU as well. The gap between an Athlon XP-based system and one build around a Phenom II system is so large that there are very few components that can be carried over and building/buying a completely new system is almost required.
That said, a new cheap motherboard/CPU combo can actually be purchased for under $100. Heck, you could get a motherboard, Athlon II dual-core CPU, and 4gb DDR2 for $153, $11 cheaper than the ú100 you suggest.
I personally wouldn't want to try to game with that sort of system, but it has a GeForce 6100 IGP and an IDE port so as long as the individual's PSU supported a 24 pin ATX power connector they could update their system to play EVE for under a hair under ú94, based on NewEgg's pricing for continental US shipping which, for the items involved, warrants no S&M fees.
Personally, I'm just somewhat sad that I'll no longer be able to play EVE on my old PC. Granted I haven't used it for much over the last 1.5 years since I replaced it, but now I won't even have the option of showing off EVE to my roommates on the 32" TV in the living room once I install it as the media/movie center.
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Zeronic
Gallente Zero Core Labs
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:07:00 -
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I don't think they should have too, if your running a 7+ Year old machine it not their problem that you can't upgrade. Tigerdirect.com has some off-lease system that could fit the bill for less than $300 USD.
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Xinxs
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Posted - 2011.01.18 09:33:00 -
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What happened to my original post and the replies? Someone censoring discussion?
If you read really carefully you would have seen that I was asking for information on CCPs plans and timescales so I knew what options were viable.I was not arguing that this was not inevitable at some point.
I do think it is reasonable to expect more than 12 hours notice that you are about to be discarded as a customer, so you have an opportunity to take alternative action.
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Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:06:00 -
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In the century of high-speed technological evolution it's the user's job to adapt and not vice versa. I can understand that some users could be annoyed but from my pov they are simply wrong then.
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Xinxs
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Misunderstood Genius In the century of high-speed technological evolution it's the user's job to adapt and not vice versa. I can understand that some users could be annoyed but from my pov they are simply wrong then.
I don't have a problem with having to adapt, its just not possible overnight and I believe the change should have been handled in a more controlled way giving people reasonable time.
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Zeronic
Gallente Zero Core Labs
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:27:00 -
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Well it not like CCP has a old Intel P3 or AMD Athlon XP in their test bed, a user report this during testing of the test deploy on SISI. This was not in the planes for CCP. So some of the outsource/third party files that help run the game got updated and left out the old non SSE2 CPUs. So if the third party aware of this, I'm betting so but did any of them even tell CCP that was going to happen, doubtful. At the very least this it didn't happen on the day the patch for the expansion came out. I don't thing they are going to fix the issue, being as small as it is at 0.3%, plus with the limited power those computer can supply it a good chance that they can't make full use of the game.
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AdZc
Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
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Posted - 2011.01.18 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xinxs Edited by: Xinxs on 18/01/2011 11:15:49 If you read really carefully you would have seen that I was asking for information on CCPs plans and timescales so I knew what options were viable.I was not arguing that this was not inevitable at some point.
I do think it is reasonable to expect more than 12 hours notice that you are about to be discarded as a customer, so you have an opportunity to take alternative action.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
In an epiphany moment, a diligent tester figured out that some of the third party binaries we use to run EVE Online had been updated recently. Looking further into the issue, we found that a feature had been turned on that used the SSE2 instruction set and the unexpected fallout was that non-SSE2 capable CPUs became incompatible.
I think they told us as soon as they realised. From Here
Originally by: Wacktopia
1.In r/l blasters actually hit the target becoz they were made better after the web nerf 2.Minny grls wil do pretty-much anything. 3.Quafe tastes like ass*(I know this becoz of 2. |
Cora Saper
Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation
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Posted - 2011.01.18 15:54:00 -
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Thanks CCP, I know that Athlon XP proccesors and like are out of date but to be told that I can't play eve 2 days before patch is "little" fu**ed up. And since I am stil poor student I can't buy new pc in 2 days. So thanks for all the fish and bye - you can count me out because I will not play eve until I can buy new pc. |
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Krikann Kathgar
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:11:00 -
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It is unfair that we are being told this so suddenly. I didn't actually notice this post until a few mins ago. I know the hardware is old, but please? I was running the game perfectly fine. I love EVE. It's sad that CCP have a disregard for that 0.3% of their player base. |
Laashanna
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Posted - 2011.01.18 16:55:00 -
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Really folks did you read what they said about this? This wasn't something they did by intent. It's something that came in from a 3rd party library. They only discovered this in their beta testing recently when they were trying to figure out why some people's systems were crashing.
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Xinxs
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Laashanna Really folks did you read what they said about this? This wasn't something they did by intent. It's something that came in from a 3rd party library. They only discovered this in their beta testing recently when they were trying to figure out why some people's systems were crashing.
Nothing actually forced them to carry out the update now. They could have delayed it, assessed the scale of the problem and given people reasonable warning before implementing it at a later time.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:07:00 -
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The scale of the problem was 0.3%.
Considering back on my first post, system that cannot use SSE2 are very outdated. I do not know of many systems that can have a CPU that old and still support a SM2.0 graphics chip as well, especially without the system already having a upgraded power supply. I also cannot think of many systems like that being able to run modern operating systems efficiently either. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Asyrdin Harate
Aura of Darkness Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:26:00 -
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I'm mostly annoyed with the short advance warning.
If my computer is not good enough anymore at least let me know 3 weeks beforehand so i can take some time to look for a new one.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:28:00 -
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Well a third party caused it, and you don't expect CPU incompatibles very often, so much so that finding a bug caused by one is often the end result of a lot of testing ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Asyrdin Harate
Aura of Darkness Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:34:00 -
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That is not my problem... i pay 45E a month for this game, i expect to get important information like this well beforehand.
Right now i'm paying for a service i don't have access to and had no(hardly any) advance warning for that i would get cut off from it. almost plain robbery if its not fixed.
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Xinxs
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle The scale of the problem was 0.3%.
Not correct - the estimate of the scale is 0.3% - the actual scale will be measured by the number of petitions raised.
Originally by: Lork Niffle Considering back on my first post, system that cannot use SSE2 are very outdated. I do not know of many systems that can have a CPU that old and still support a SM2.0 graphics chip as well, especially without the system already having a upgraded power supply. I also cannot think of many systems like that being able to run modern operating systems efficiently either.
You are just showing your lack of knowledge here. You cannot actually buy new technology before it becomes available, so people buying a new system 7 years ago had to buy what was available eg Athlon XPs. Many AGP graphics cards from that time support SM2.0 graphics eg ATI Radeon 9800pro. The power supply naturally meets the needs of the system. The system runs windows XP fine, a sight more efficiently than many more recent systems running Windows Vista. Till now EVE has run absolutely fine including large scale fleet fights (without brackets - just like most modern systems). Full graphics works fine away from fleet fights. I don't play other modern games so their requirements are irrelevant.
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BrillyMister
Amarr Xkallzor INC DUST Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.01.18 18:42:00 -
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so if i cant load eve to get to the file petition menu thing how am i ment to let them know that because of there disregard for there customers they now have many players unable to acsess the game they have spent a large sum of money paying for. i personally cannot afford to buy a new motherboard and CPU plus new ram video card. it would be cheaper to buy a new PC and that costs me ú200+. i think CCP should really do sometihng to fix this just to suggest that the patch could be optional so that people with out SSE2 can still continue playing
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Sacha Sinclair
Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.18 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: BrillyMister so if i cant load eve to get to the file petition menu thing how am i ment to let them know that because of there disregard for there customers they now have many players unable to acsess the game
https://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx
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BrillyMister
Amarr Xkallzor INC DUST Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:36:00 -
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done the petiion thing now i rally hope CCP can ee whatsgoing on asclear as everyone else this updates doe 3 thngs...
1)blcked a ile of people from playingeve uless they fork ou hundreds of pounds 2) gven people horrible lagg 3)given people consantcrshing every few minuites.
i really ope the take his patch down untill they finish it so it works...
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Cormall
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:41:00 -
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My budget won't allow me to buy a new system (a new MB and cpu won't do it alone) so it's goodbye Eve!
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ITz Brilly
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:45:00 -
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same
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UKM Thorgrim
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:03:00 -
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as for updating a system for ú100.00 it's Bull***t new motherboard ú35.00 New CPU ú34.0. New Memory ú17.00 = 2gig New vid card min 512 ú35.00 New HD Sata + ú27.00 New Cooling system ú20.00 Plus bits and bobs ú23.00 Total ú191.00 + ú 2 watser GTC's @ ú48.00 = ú239.00 IS eve really woth it.. ?
Older systems are IDE & AGP based, all new systems PCI & PCIE In my case i work hard for a living ú200 splash out on a new system is a min of 2 months away. plus i'm just back in game for 10 days, after 9 months out. so add on 3 60 day GTC's wasted.
UKM Thorgrim / Reconnoitre Honour & Steel. |
Teh Minez0r
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:32:00 -
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get a dual core celeron socket 775, costs prolly 20 quids and not 35 but has loads more power than a p3/athlon xp, runs cooler and also needs less power. And there are enough 775 boards with AGP slots, so you can prolly still use your old gfx.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:38:00 -
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ATI made an AGP 8x 4670, making it a very appreciable card for old systems that need a decent GPU for an AGP slot. Most new Motherboards can still support IDE. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:45:00 -
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Before anyone starts flaming my post, let me start by saying, yes I am computer illiterate! I have 2 pc's in my house and both my wife and I play EVE. She just reactivated her account after a long break, but we were enjoying playing together. After today's patch she is no longer able to play. Yes, hers is a older pc, as is mine as a matter of fact. It played EVE just fine after setting graphics a little lower and it has never been a issue. Mine still will play EVE but with noticeable lag now. I do not understand, with all the game developers on staff at CCP, that this was allowed to be an issue. The post that was made to warn everyone that some people will not be able to play is simply bu!!sh!t! I can go to Wal-mart and buy any game off the shelf and play it. If this is not going to be a fixed issue then I just paid the last 4 years to create and build characters that I will no longer be able to use. I am sure that with soon to come patches my pc will become unable to play EVE if this is not a fixed issue. I know all of you hard core gamers and pc geniuses will just say its your fault for not upgrading! Do you upgrade your car just because its old and still runs perfect? Buy a new house because its older but still in great condition? NO! If you do then you are just to vain or have entirely to much money! Why would someone upgrade their PC when it runs everything just fine! This is just a slap in the face and CCP does not care if they lose some customers! Yes, buying a new pc would be great but, there are many other bills to be paid before upgrading pc's! I hope this is a fixable issue! Otherwise, they will be losing 3 more subscribers!
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lork Niffle on 18/01/2011 23:16:13 Computer systems and the software layers that run on it are considerably more complex than a car or house or anything in this world, so much so that there is no comparison.
I have had incompatibilities with many games on each version of Windows, different graphics chips and different systems. Each time, I Google the problem and find the cause of it, I then accept responsibility that I have to resolve this, since for non-MMO games, patches are rare to begin with.
Unlike cars or houses, computer systems change even after they are bought, software updates itself, hardware becomes unnecessary and new routines are brought in that are much more efficient and since computers cannot be static objects, old hardware has to be phased out for anyone to make improvements. We haven't got to this point today without getting rid of old hardware or standards.
Believe me, as much that can be done is being done to keep standards alive and hardware to be inter-compatible but eventually we have to move up.
I also do not have any income, for me to buy new computers and hardware is a fairly complicated procedure since I have to find money that doesn't exist. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Astronauta
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nelson Cypher Before anyone starts flaming my post, let me start by saying, yes I am computer illiterate! I have 2 pc's in my house and both my wife and I play EVE. She just reactivated her account after a long break, but we were enjoying playing together. After today's patch she is no longer able to play. Yes, hers is a older pc, as is mine as a matter of fact. It played EVE just fine after setting graphics a little lower and it has never been a issue. Mine still will play EVE but with noticeable lag now. I do not understand, with all the game developers on staff at CCP, that this was allowed to be an issue. The post that was made to warn everyone that some people will not be able to play is simply bu!!sh!t! I can go to Wal-mart and buy any game off the shelf and play it. If this is not going to be a fixed issue then I just paid the last 4 years to create and build characters that I will no longer be able to use. I am sure that with soon to come patches my pc will become unable to play EVE if this is not a fixed issue. I know all of you hard core gamers and pc geniuses will just say its your fault for not upgrading! Do you upgrade your car just because its old and still runs perfect? Buy a new house because its older but still in great condition? NO! If you do then you are just to vain or have entirely to much money! Why would someone upgrade their PC when it runs everything just fine! This is just a slap in the face and CCP does not care if they lose some customers! Yes, buying a new pc would be great but, there are many other bills to be paid before upgrading pc's! I hope this is a fixable issue! Otherwise, they will be losing 3 more subscribers!
I totally agree I just managed to swindle a 3rd desktop from my son, just to make handling 3 accounts easier, and now this. We may only be .3% but we are still paying customers. As Nelson said why would you upgrade a perfectly good sytem???
Noit going to upgraade to a new computer, if there is no fix..I'll be cancelling out my 3 accounts as well!!
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Dare Knight
Minmatar Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Dare Knight on 18/01/2011 23:24:30 Find me another MMO that keeps up with the times on this broad of a scale. WoW? Nope. Graphics updates, yes, but still sticking with the same resources which were made how long ago? FFXI? Nope. Look at it. What was then an amazing graphics engine sucks terribly now, even with things like Windower and drawdistance. Most other F2P MMOs look rather... well, dated as well. Let alone that new feature releases are rare in the stated games above.
CCP adds things to keep up with the times, updates old things to... keep up with the times, and the third-party developers do the same, to, you know... keep up with the times. EvE will compete with any current-gen MMO out there because of this.
I'm so sorry that you're poor and can't afford a decent system that's less than, say, 5 years old, but you can't expect your 8086 to run Windows 7.
In the words of so many who have said so few, "Who cares if you're a paying customer? Get with the times or GTFO". Except... oh! That decision was already made for you. --- I just can't figure it out. If only I could pew pew with my mining laz0rs and make you go boom.... THAT would be the best of both worlds. |
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xanna dun
Caldari Cosmic Castawayz Crucial.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:51:00 -
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Seems that I am also one of the 0.3% that this CPU issue has effected. It would have been nice if we could have had enuff advanced warning about the new computer requirements so we would have had time to get a new computer. As it stands, my friends and I can no longer log in on Eve at work or at home and yes CCP i have canceled both of my accounts! (I can buy a new computer with the money i will save,lol)
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Troll Bear
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Posted - 2011.01.19 02:12:00 -
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Guess I picked a bad time to get rid of all those 3.0 GHz Pentium4 PC's I took to the recycling center last week because I couldn't even give them away. I probably could have made some cash.
Folks, there are plenty of CHEAP computers out there that will still run EVE just fine. You do NOT have to spend a lot of money to upgrade. If you do, you are doing it wrong.
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Dare Knight
Minmatar Freelance Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.01.19 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: xanna dun Seems that I am also one of the 0.3% that this CPU issue has effected. It would have been nice if we could have had enuff advanced warning about the new computer requirements so we would have had time to get a new computer. As it stands, my friends and I can no longer log in on Eve at work or at home and yes CCP i have canceled both of my accounts! (I can buy a new computer with the money i will save,lol)
This is what I mean! You blame CCP for your problem, but the issue was posted not only in the forums and dev blogs, but as a MOTD in-game! What, do you need a year's worth of advance to react to something? --- I just can't figure it out. If only I could pew pew with my mining laz0rs and make you go boom.... THAT would be the best of both worlds. |
Bobinu
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Posted - 2011.01.19 06:29:00 -
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I am also one of the few who is now unable to play EVE, so i can fully understand people frustrations on this matter, I Have been upgrading / repair my old PC for years. Although the financial cost is a pain. I am taking this a good kick up the bum to finally get a half decent new computer.
On the flip side i have 3 accounts, all with varying amounts of time left, if I was going to quit EVE (which im not) would CCP be so kind to offer a refund?
I read the patch notes and noticed that there maybe a possibilty that my knackered old comp would struggle. It would have been better to advertise this possibilty on log in, to give people more time to react / comment on this.
CCP should offer those people who are unable to play some options / compensation, I luckily have used a friends laptop to update skill ques til feb when i can afford a new computer, but not everyone is going to be in that position or want to.
I fully sympathise with those others who cannot play EVE now.
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BinaryData
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.19 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zeronic I don't think they should have too, if your running a 7+ Year old machine it not their problem that you can't upgrade. Tigerdirect.com has some off-lease system that could fit the bill for less than $300 USD.
Screw Tiger Direct. They have DOA items out the yahoo!
Buy via NewEgg. I purchase roughly 5,000$ a month in equipment from them. From new Motherboards to networking clips.
I think CCP did a fabulous job at upgrading their game. My mother has a laptop, the first Toshiba Satellite to come out with Windows XP, supports a maximum of 2GB of memory. It needs to be upgraded, but she refuses to "change", she doesn't have the option of going out and spending 900$ on a laptop when she pays for Nursing School.
Point is; not everyone has an awesome paying job like I do, nor has a hobby that allows him to spend 5,000$ a month on computer parts. (I manage my own mini-server farm) I serve kids who want to run game servers.
Again, this is just from my point of view. CCP did a bold move, and it only effects less than 0.5% of the eve Population.
Let's see: EVE has a base player of, let's say 60,000 people...
60,000 x .5% = 300.
So out of 60,000 people, 300 can't play.
300 people x 15$ = $4500, while CPP makes, 59,700 x 15$ = $895,500 a month, that's just counting people who have one account. Just a quick thought. Not saying CPP doesn't care about those 300 people, just saying it was more cost effective to make this move.
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BinaryData
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.19 08:49:00 -
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Sorry for the Double post but..
GFX: EVGA GeForce 460 GTX - $150 Mobo: Gigabyte LGA775 Mobo - $80 CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 2.66Ghz - $170 HDD: Western Digital 500GB 7200RPM - $79 RAM: G.Skill 4GB DDR3 - $48 PSU: Antec 750W SLI Ready - $80 Case: Azza Hurricane Full ATX Tower
Grand Total: $740. **Disclaimer** I build this at 1AM, I'm tired. Could be errors, don't purchase thinking this is a full blown 100% setup :P This is somewhat shopping on a budget. If you wanted too, you could go to a Dual Core and get a Processor / Motherboard for 100$ total, you could downgrade the graphics card for a NVidia 9800GTX+ (I have this atm), could get a smaller Hard Drive and whack off 20$, many things you can do.
I play EVE on a 7,000$ computer, I also run 6 hulks, 1 orca, and a carrier at one time, but thats just me :)
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mogwai
Gallente Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.01.19 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bobinu I am also one of the few who is now unable to play EVE, so i can fully understand people frustrations on this matter, I Have been upgrading / repair my old PC for years. Although the financial cost is a pain. I am taking this a good kick up the bum to finally get a half decent new computer.
On the flip side i have 3 accounts, all with varying amounts of time left, if I was going to quit EVE (which im not) would CCP be so kind to offer a refund?
I read the patch notes and noticed that there maybe a possibilty that my knackered old comp would struggle. It would have been better to advertise this possibilty on log in, to give people more time to react / comment on this.
CCP should offer those people who are unable to play some options / compensation, I luckily have used a friends laptop to update skill ques til feb when i can afford a new computer, but not everyone is going to be in that position or want to.
I fully sympathise with those others who cannot play EVE now.
I personally have been playing eve now since June 2003 ( with a small break recently), and with a few tweaks to my old system to keep inline : epox 8rda+3 xp2400 (clocked up a bit) 512mb ati gfx 2gig giel RAM 4.1 creative soundcard (dont flame the sound, it survived ALL ccp had to throw at it with 'issues' back in the day)
eve has always runs great and it works fine for other things i actually need it to do without breaking my bank every 6 months on 'shinies'
I personal think the time has come tho where i need to upgrade the core element , BUT i came back to eve unknowing until the DAY BEFORE the patch. Its cash i could have used on ebay to get myself a better mobo / cpu bundle instead of wasting it on a subscription. In this light, i dont blame ccp, but i also dont really blame myself too much either as i also like to play things like Baldurs Gate, Total War, Age of Empires (some of the oldies are the best)
Now if ccp were to offer the effected people, say, an account freeze with the remaining gametime uneffected until reactivation? or a refund of the remaining gametime on the accounts? (just an idea.... dont get on ya high horse and flame)
mogwai.
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chez1962
19th Star Logistics Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.01.19 13:13:00 -
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well here is an answer from CCP about the SSE2 issue;
2011.01.19 11:29:00 GM Renril ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi.
I am afraid that it will not be possible to run EVE any longer with CPUs that do not support the SSE2 instruction set, this will cause players still using Intel Pentium 3 or older and AMD Athlon XP or older CPUs to not be able to run the EVE Online client. Athlon 64 CPUs are however not affected
What we can do for you at the moment is to make sure that you do not lose any subscription time you have paid for because of this. You can choose, if you want to be refunded for the time you lose or if you decide to upgrade your system, you can have that time added to your account when you are ready to continue.
I sincerely apologize that we were not able to give our players advanced notice on this.
Best regards, GM Renril The EVE Online Customer Support Team ---------------------------- So have funz buying the stuff u need for more play time !!!!!!!
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Glaso Fruixette
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Glaso Fruixette on 19/01/2011 16:02:28
Originally by: Dare Knight Edited by: Dare Knight on 18/01/2011 23:24:30 Find me another MMO that keeps up with the times on this broad of a scale. WoW? Nope. Graphics updates, yes, but still sticking with the same resources which were made how long ago?
If you're not affraid you can try to run cataclysm on a recommended config from 2005, it will burn the moment you get to a capital. That, if you can get past the 5 mins of stuttering every time you attack something.
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Eulysees Chelt
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zeronic Well it not like CCP has a old Intel P3 or AMD Athlon XP in their test bed, a user report this during testing of the test deploy on SISI. This was not in the planes for CCP. So some of the outsource/third party files that help run the game got updated and left out the old non SSE2 CPUs. So if the third party aware of this, I'm betting so but did any of them even tell CCP that was going to happen, doubtful. At the very least this it didn't happen on the day the patch for the expansion came out. I don't thing they are going to fix the issue, being as small as it is at 0.3%, plus with the limited power those computer can supply it a good chance that they can't make full use of the game.
if you had taken the time to read the sticky on this subject you wouldve realised that there were issues encountered...WAKE UP!!! X ISNT THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS ISSUE...EVEN THERE OWN TEST PEEPS HAD ISSUES...read my entry under WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP and you will see the same crap said agagin and again and again.....elitsm pure and simple between the haves and the have nots...but thanks for letting us know where you are in that spectrum
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Glaso Fruixette
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:03:00 -
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and the test peeps are mostly players...
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Eulysees Chelt
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:10:00 -
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QUOTED FROM NEWS CHANNEL 18/01/2011 EVE Online Incursion 1.1.0 has been successfully deployed on Tuesday, January 18.
We are delighted to present this latest release which includes updates to the EVE Contracts system and the long awaited Character Creator. There is plenty more featured in Incursion 1.1.0 so please see the full patch notes for all the details.
If you have general feedback for Incursion 1.1.0, please use our feedback thread. END QUOTE
this should have read more like this
18/01/2011 EVE Online Incursion 1.1.0 has been successfully deployed on Tuesday, January 18 for the wealthier clientel. We are delighted to present this latest release for the affluent which includes exclusions to the poor, updates to the EVE Contracts system and the long awaited Character Creator. There is plenty more featured in Incursion 1.1.0, such as wealthy exclusivity packages so please see the full patch notes for all the details on the benefits of having access to real money.
If you have general feedback for Incursion 1.1.0 or questions on how to exclude more of the poor, please use our feedback thread as your contributions are always thought highly of.
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chez1962
19th Star Logistics Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.01.19 17:16:00 -
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CCP should also come up with the new Minimum System Requirements: OS: Windows« 7/8 or not come out yet CPU: Intel I7 or AMD X6 or greater which supports SSE2 SSE3 SSE4 SSE5 SSE6 ..... RAM: 16 GB HD space: 1 Tb Free Space Network: T3 or better Internet connection Video: 2048 MB or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers Drivers: DirectX« 11 (included) and latest video drivers DVD-ROM : 50 speed DVD reader or greater required.
The you realy exclude lotz players
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:03:00 -
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They do have:
OS: Windows« XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7 CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2 RAM: XP (SP2) û 1 GB / Vista û 1.5 GB HD space: 6gig Free Space Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.
On a further note CCP are phasing out Shader Model 2.0 support this will mean the line
Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers
Will say
Video: 64 MB Shader Model 3.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce 6100 series class card or higher, ATi X1300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers.
So I would advise acquiring a system also capable of this.
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Tesl
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tesl on 19/01/2011 19:03:33
Originally by: Eulysees Chelt QUOTED FROM NEWS CHANNEL 18/01/2011 EVE Online Incursion 1.1.0 has been successfully deployed on Tuesday, January 18.
We are delighted to present this latest release which includes updates to the EVE Contracts system and the long awaited Character Creator. There is plenty more featured in Incursion 1.1.0 so please see the full patch notes for all the details.
If you have general feedback for Incursion 1.1.0, please use our feedback thread. END QUOTE
this should have read more like this
18/01/2011 EVE Online Incursion 1.1.0 has been successfully deployed on Tuesday, January 18 for the wealthier clientel. We are delighted to present this latest release for the affluent which includes exclusions to the poor, updates to the EVE Contracts system and the long awaited Character Creator. There is plenty more featured in Incursion 1.1.0, such as wealthy exclusivity packages so please see the full patch notes for all the details on the benefits of having access to real money.
If you have general feedback for Incursion 1.1.0 or questions on how to exclude more of the poor, please use our feedback thread as your contributions are always thought highly of.
Dude Seriously, I'm not exactly loaded in the real life cash department, But man you're complaining about using 8 Year old hardware to run a game that is constantly evolving. You mean to tell me in that whole 8 Years you haven't bothered updating anything in your system at all?
Ive had 4 high end Pcs since then, and as I said I'm not even what you would call middle class, Its a simple thing called saving.
Stop playing the game and paying for it. Put that money aside and save to get 5 Year old hardware.
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Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:04:00 -
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Im not quite as mad as I was yesterday but still irritated none the less! Yes, both my wife and I still use older pc's although mine is not quite as old. As I stated before, yes, I am pc illiterate. Could someone who knows what all this is please explain why the programming cant support both sse and sse2? All that I know is that sse is part of the processor. Also, thanks for all the pc configs people are posting. It gives me an idea of what to look for when upgrading later on. 1 thing no one is putting into the price lists though is the cost to pay someone to install all your new hardware. The cheapest place around where I live the guy is going to charge 80$/hr to build it and it will take about 3 hrs. So there are more costs than just easily going to new egg or tiger direct to buy components. Anyone live around Tulsa Oklahoma that knows how to build? My wife and I will make the steak dinners and buy the beer! lol Im all for the upgrading of the game! Ive had to upgrade my vid cards before, although I didnt go out and buy top of the line. I even had to add a separate sound card to my pc. Whole system upgrade is a little different. For those out there who are saying, its only a small percentage of the subscribers who are affected? In business every dollar is important. When you start purposely segregating customers you are going to lose alot of business. My pc still works but my wifes dont. If this is not going to be able to fixed (which im still waiting for a petition response after the automated 1 i received)I will be suspending my 2 accounts since my wife wont be able to use hers. They said they would refund for paid gametime or freeze accounts. I spent the last 4 years paying, creating and building chars. Are they going to reimburse me since my wifes char was created since its now a product she cannot use? I know mine will soon be obsolete in game and that will make 2 pc's to upgrade. So take your lists and x2 and also add the labor x2. Maybe I was being naive but, I honestly thought you upgraded your pc's when you wanted to catch up with new technology. Now the game is dictating when and why you upgrade. We can have her account frozen to keep from losing playtime, great. I also have the choice whether or not to pay for a game that my wife no longer can enjoy with me. I know our 3 accounts are not the same as some of you all that run 5-10 or 15 accounts. 45$ is still 45$ a month. I just sincerely hope this can be a fixed issue.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nelson Cypher I honestly thought you upgraded your pc's when you wanted to catch up with new technology.
Technology like SSE2, SSE3, SSE4 and soon SSE5 ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Troll Bear
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tesl But man you're complaining about using 8 Year old hardware to run a game that is constantly evolving. You mean to tell me in that whole 8 Years you haven't bothered updating anything in your system at all?
Actually, 10 years old. SSE2 was launched in 2001. Like Tesl, I am pretty broke IRL as well for many nice toys but my PC still isn't 10 years old. I think my hardware is 5 years old.
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Jowdra
Amarr GalTech Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:59:00 -
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CRYMORE?? two years ago CCP did this with their dual clients. they then merged the clients and 0.03% cried about not being able to play. then eve expanded by around 20k subscribers. same will happen now. quit crying ask mommy for a better computer and stop playing on your handmedown computer. if thats not possible then just give me your stuff. il make better use of it then your doing. as of this moment i dont see 1000 people complaining about the problem and that is approx 2% of eves total population. i see 50 people moaning.. go do the maths.. oh and those whining about not being told? shows how much you visit the forums.
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Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jowdra CRYMORE?? two years ago CCP did this with their dual clients. they then merged the clients and 0.03% cried about not being able to play. then eve expanded by around 20k subscribers. same will happen now. quit crying ask mommy for a better computer and stop playing on your handmedown computer. if thats not possible then just give me your stuff. il make better use of it then your doing. as of this moment i dont see 1000 people complaining about the problem and that is approx 2% of eves total population. i see 50 people moaning.. go do the maths.. oh and those whining about not being told? shows how much you visit the forums.
WOW! That is probably the most witless post lacking of anything original or useful. I saw the "warning" post early on but had to wait to see if either of our pc's were going to be affected. My point is that in business you try to accommodate all of your customers. Not just select 1's and leave out the 1's that choose not to upgrade their system every couple years. Asking for ones stuff if they are going to be unable to play? Another WOW! That is the 2nd post I have read by your trolling and asking for stuff! Maybe your game time would be put to better use by making isk rather than trolling forums kicking people while they are down and begging for ships! If you, or anyone for that matter, have nothing useful or at least semi helpful to add? Then please move to another thread. Some of us are taking notes, investigating products and comparison shopping with the USEFUL information we are getting. Thanks
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dare Knight
Originally by: xanna dun Seems that I am also one of the 0.3% that this CPU issue has effected. It would have been nice if we could have had enuff advanced warning about the new computer requirements so we would have had time to get a new computer. As it stands, my friends and I can no longer log in on Eve at work or at home and yes CCP i have canceled both of my accounts! (I can buy a new computer with the money i will save,lol)
This is what I mean! You blame CCP for your problem
For good reason. CCP's QA procedures did not reveal the cause of the problem until only a few days before the patch went live.
Originally by: Dare Knight
, but the issue was posted not only in the forums and dev blogs, but as a MOTD in-game!
Yes. Two and a half days before the patch went live. TWO AND A HALF DAYS. That's not enough notice and you know it.
Originally by: Dare Knight What, do you need a year's worth of advance to react to something?
We need more notice than TWO AND A HALF DAYS, dude. Stop pretending that there was plenty of notice. Do you live in some fantasy world where pigs fly, purple unicorns frolic in the morning sunshine and computer upgrades can always be arranged, delivered, paid for, configured, all software installed and all patches downloaded and applied in the space of sixty hours with no possibility of extraneous circumstance to prevent you from meeting this ludicrously tight deadline?
Usually CCP give a few months' notice of impending changes to system requirements.
For the record I am also affected by this issue. The biggest problem with the issue is the lack of advance notice.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bobinu I am also one of the few who is now unable to play EVE, so i can fully understand people frustrations on this matter, I Have been upgrading / repair my old PC for years. Although the financial cost is a pain. I am taking this a good kick up the bum to finally get a half decent new computer.
On the flip side i have 3 accounts, all with varying amounts of time left, if I was going to quit EVE (which im not) would CCP be so kind to offer a refund?
I read the patch notes and noticed that there maybe a possibilty that my knackered old comp would struggle. It would have been better to advertise this possibilty on log in, to give people more time to react / comment on this.
CCP should offer those people who are unable to play some options / compensation, I luckily have used a friends laptop to update skill ques til feb when i can afford a new computer, but not everyone is going to be in that position or want to.
I fully sympathise with those others who cannot play EVE now.
If the issue affected you and you raised a petition, a refund for the unused game time is one of the offered options.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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chez1962
19th Star Logistics Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle
CPU: Intel Pentium« or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz or greater which supports SSE2
That SSE2 was add on patchday and not before that
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Mitchell Hagen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nelson Cypher Yes, both my wife and I still use older pc's although mine is not quite as old. As I stated before, yes, I am pc illiterate. Could someone who knows what all this is please explain why the programming cant support both sse and sse2?
If the software supports SSE and SSE2 separately, it makes the software more difficult to maintain. At every point in the code where SSE2 is required, code would have to be written with an alternative code path for non-SSE2 processors. It would be a new source of bugs. An alternative is to develop code so it does not have SSE2 in it. Because such code does not exist for the latest version, it would involve some additional development and testing time to ensure that the SSE2-free code still works.
As a player who is affected, I would like an SSE2-free version to be made available that I may continue playing with my old hardware. However, that would probably be impractical. CCP's decision as to whether this is to be fixed can be considered according to cost. If it costs CCP more to fix the issue than they would earn by affected players not cancelling subscriptions, then they may leave it unfixed.
Arrr, CONCORD be a harsh mistress.
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MinerBhoy
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Posted - 2011.01.20 06:20:00 -
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I really wish all these folks who come on here slating those who now cannot play eve would do one really just go away.
incidentally the lowest price i could find for everything proc/mobo/mem/psu/hard disk is ú115.12 (after a quick 5 min check on dabs) so those saying its 25 quid for a processor as above get lost
seriously though many people (like myself) have compatible bits n bobs kicking about from ever upgrading so they are not THAT hard to get.
plus those not au fait with upgrading a pc its pretty easy with the right help and advice which is more help to these guys than dissing them about their income.
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Tesl
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Posted - 2011.01.20 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Tesl on 20/01/2011 06:29:21
Originally by: Nelson Cypher Edited by: Nelson Cypher on 19/01/2011 20:07:14 Im not quite as mad as I was yesterday but still irritated none the less! Yes, both my wife and I still use older pc's although mine is not quite as old......
Tbh, building a PC your self is a lot easier than you could imagine, after all things only slot on the board one way, if you have to force it, then it doesn't belong where your putting it.
All you have to remember is that a AMD CPU already does SSE2, and a Pentium 4 and above does SSE2,
Supported intel processors would be
P4 Pentium D Duel core Core2duo i3 i5 i7
Pentium 4 is plenty for running eve, just make sure its not the celeron, although its cheaper, its also slower, make sure you get the correct board for your processor, google is your friend there, and make sure you get the correct graphics card and ram type. if you can fit a plug to an electrical item with out blowing your self up, you can build a PC, hardest part would be adding the operating system, but again GOOGLE is your friend. there is no excuse why anyone couldn't build there own PC and put a working OS on it with updated drivers. as long as you can read and are able to type into google "how to install windows [insert windows version here] then there really is no reason you can no do this.
If your not sure what slots your mother board has for the graphics, or what ram it takes, put the model number or name into google and do a search, it will tell you all about it so you don't go wrong and get the wrong hardware to compliment the board.
and most of all have fun.
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Mala Krvava
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cormall My budget won't allow me to buy a new system (a new MB and cpu won't do it alone) so it's goodbye Eve!
same
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Trambalazana
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:57:00 -
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Goodbye EVE. No warning?
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Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2011.01.20 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mala Krvava
Originally by: Cormall My budget won't allow me to buy a new system (a new MB and cpu won't do it alone) so it's goodbye Eve!
same
You should be happy: you'll take a break from EVE and you will come back for sure ... with a better PC.
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Commandante Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.20 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Commandante Caldari on 20/01/2011 14:26:35 It's simple: hardware needs an upgrade time by time. When CCP changed the models and textures I had to get a new PC to enjoy the new experience. And now my expensive M17x can't handle DirectX 11 features. No reason to whine about - even if EVE would support dx11 - because everyone who's dealing with all this sh*t since ages should have realized: what you buy today will be tomorrow the technology of last week. Theoretically you can perma-upgrade your life. It starts with your mobile phone and could end with the faster and better version of your car. At a special point you have to bite the stardust if you can't afford the next step. It's how our tech age works and it usually will not happen unexpected. If CCP would take care about the ones who are temporarily damned to stay behind there would be no progress of development and adaption. Therefore they are forced to leave things behind for the next milestone.
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Grymwysp
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Posted - 2011.01.20 14:38:00 -
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I am so glad for you people that have the ability to upgrade or just buy new PC's...some of us however and not as well off as you and it seems your replies to thier dilemma show a great lack of human dignity. Myself, I have been out of work for 2 years now with 3 major knee operations and am lucky to purchase the basic needs never mind anything else. Up until this patch my PC with its greying AMD Sempron 3400+ could handle eve on high graphic settings now...goodbye eve...a game I enjoyed, alot of friends I made around the world....yeah...you farts who want to dis us go ahead and keep up the disrespectful comments and I hope you someday find yourself in the same boat as us and then maybe you'll gain insight into some human dignity...Peace out Eve...Fark off CCP
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:27:00 -
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just stepping in here to say that I'm affected by this at home - 2nd machine used to run eve fine ... now cannot - this is not a BIG problem but is a problem also we have a shared machine at work that fails with this - so the 2nd machine for lunch usages is borked .,..
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Tesl
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grymwysp I am so glad for you people that have the ability to upgrade or just buy new PC's...some of us however and not as well off as you and it seems your replies to thier dilemma show a great lack of human dignity. Myself, I have been out of work for 2 years now with 3 major knee operations and am lucky to purchase the basic needs never mind anything else. Up until this patch my PC with its greying AMD Sempron 3400+ could handle eve on high graphic settings now...goodbye eve...a game I enjoyed, alot of friends I made around the world....yeah...you farts who want to dis us go ahead and keep up the disrespectful comments and I hope you someday find yourself in the same boat as us and then maybe you'll gain insight into some human dignity...Peace out Eve...Fark off CCP
I'm sorry but anyone who pays to play a game each month with real life cash, can not honestly throw the "im in poverty" line around. you are obviously able to afford 2 luxury's.
So far for you to play eve you are having to pay for 2 things.
1. the internet. its not something that is just given out free. you have to be paying for this to even connect to the web. 2. Your subscription to eve.
Now considering im also not exactly well off, i do however pay the same two things you do. if i want to upgrade my pc to get it running a game that will inevitably upgrade its graphics engine to appeal to new customers, then i will do one of 3 things.
First ill stop paying for eve and save, if that's not happening fast enough, ill then cut down and save in other areas of my life to afford it. IE not put petrol in the car and walk for a few weeks and save that. until i can upgrade.
Seriously though, its not we have no heart, its that you complaining about no longer being able to use 9 year old technology, there is a lot of "i cant afford to upgrade to a new pc" misconception. You don't need the latest top of the line machine.
all these threads are, are whine threads about how lazy you are, how you want everything handed too you on a plate, and how you can some how manage to pay for a Internet connection and eve yet cant afford to upgrade, so yes is it disrespectful? no its called common sense ffs. stop thing that eve is going to sit still with 2 year old graphics when the computer industry around it progresses. if you don't like how the PC evolves, then maybe you should of thought about how the PC market uses technology.
If your planing on being a PC gamer, you have to learn to upgrade its as simple as that. games are not going to stop being updated with the latest graphics just to suit people who cant be arsed to save and upgrade, its like people complaining to Microsoft because there Xbox cant play xbox360 games.
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Grymwysp
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:46:00 -
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First of smart guy..I paid for my game for the last year with ingame plexes, second off..I am so dang happy you are one of the wealthy ones with such a grandiose view of the world where everyone lives perfect lives and makes alot of money. I made my post not to bring empathy but to point out that alot of us dont have the cash people like you do. So...live your perfect life and have fun with your oodles of money and forget that the economy and real life crisis affects some of us....hey go buy yourself a new computer...yours might need an upgrade...dolt
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Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.20 20:45:00 -
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I think, for those of us who are saying they cant afford to upgrade, its very simple. We have pc's in the house that ran EVE just fine. Some people state they can run 5 or 6 accounts on them. I for 1, never saw the need to upgrade other than a vid card and sound card as previously stated) since my pc was running things just fine. As far as latest cell phone and such? I dont upgrade those either until they are broke! Not old. No longer functioning. Yes, I did some searching on New Egg and Tiger Direct and there are some decent deals out there. Am I going to shell out money to replace a pc that runs just fine? Doubt it. As far as buying a used older pc to replace my older pc? That is just an absurd idea! Pay money for another pc that is just as old as mine! I found some in the local paper and, yes, they are even cheaper than buying a non named brand online. How long will it be before that 1 is outdated and needs replaced. Are we supposed to pay 200$ every year now to upgrade to another older system? Yes, we also pay for luxuries. In America, now a days, you can almost NOT go without a internet connection. Banks, utility comps. and most other businesses virtually force you to have a net connection to pay your bills. Many are charging you a fee if you dont pay online, my bank charges me if I want a paper itemized statement on my account, so as anyone can see internet is not really a luxury but almost a necessity now a days. EVE as a luxury? It sure as hell is! 15$, 30$ or even 45$ a month is a cheap luxury if you do the math. Although, I do pay for 1 or 2 accounts with plex cards. 45$ a month? Can I take my wife to the movies even once a week and buy a soda and popcorn for that? nope! Yes, I can rent movies, netflix etc! EVE updates to keep up with the times and keep those savvy in pc's happy! That is the plain truth! No one can say they are in competition! There is no other game out there that is even in the same realm of EVE! What other internet spaceship game is there? Star Trek online? That is never going to compare to EVE simply due to the game mechanics. Yes, I tried the trial. WOW? That is not even a comparison, apples to oranges, sci-fi to mystical. Yes, I tried that rial also and hated it! In the end, someone posted earlier explaining what the deal was with sse and sse2 and what they were! Thank you btw! They also said it was something that could be fixed by changing the code or something. Also stated was that CCP would not do it if it wasnt cost effective to where loss of subscribers outweighed the cost to change code. I guess they are in the same boat as I am. Is it going to be cost effective for me to replace a pc that ran the game and, anything else I need it to do, fine in order to continue to play a game. Doubt it! Im am just glad that I can buy a NEW PS3 (no I have not upgraded my PS2 to that either) for what I can buy a USED pc for. Plus it has free internet game play unlike the xbox and EVE. Although, that is most likely exactly what CCP is hoping for! Those who cannot play on the PC will gear up for Dust! I for one never intended to play Dust in the first place! Sorry this is a long winded post. I just wanted to put out a perspective on what some of us are going through rather than everyone thinking we are just poor, whiny, ghetto trash looking for something for free. Have a nice day!
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Zedia Zhane
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Zedia Zhane on 20/01/2011 21:03:56 1) Eve (as with any piece of software) will change with time and hardware requirements will increase. However, CCP has the responsibility to announce changes in minimum system requirements well in advance so that people can make reasonable choices about what to do about it. "Well in advance" should be, in my personal opinion, at least 2 months.
2) A highly responsible software development company will keep a test platform or two at their minimum system requirements in order to make sure that the software runs on said platforms. Nursing such archaic systems along as test beds is one of the most pain-in-the-ass jobs in Quality Assurance, and don't get me started on the IT department's attitude towards having to maintain 8-year-old semi-obsolete systems. (Yes, I work in software, yes, I've had to deal with this issue.) The fact is, CCP caught this in Beta testing, which means they do have some means of testing on older platforms.
3) CCP has issued very loud promises of waiting to release software until they get it right. That was the entire point of spreading the Incursion release across several months. However, knowingly releasing a system that locks out a portion of your user base is grossly irresponsible on their part. Sure, delaying the release to fix this issue would probably have been a setback of at least a few weeks. But as I said, CCP has recently and loudly promised to delay their software when necessary to get things right. This issue, in my mind, quite clearly breaks that promise.
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StealthRambo
Gallente Ferrius Vigalans Razoris
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:07:00 -
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i agree with the whining so you pay with in game plex good happy you have that much time to play, you have had need surgery ok understandable get a job working from home i'm sure you can ind an agency that will work with to get you a half job with some income that you can sitting around or find a friend who know a little bit about computers if its a desktop find out what you cna do to get a cheap upgade hell pick up a copy of your local traders guide or get on craigs list people give away computers all the time that are only a few years old 5-8 don't whine do some reserch ask around N/A |
Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nelson Cypher on 20/01/2011 21:12:59 What he said ^^^^! (2 up!) lol
eve online: incursion 1.1.1 deployment postponed reported by CCP Spitfire | 2011.01.20 11:46:12 | NEW
Deployment of EVE Online: Incursion 1.1.1, initially scheduled for Thursday, January 20, has been postponed due to issues discovered while testing. In order to allow for further improvements to the content we have decided to delay the release. The new deployment date will be announced shortly and we thank you for your understanding.
The patch notes have been updated, and some of the fixes and changes that will be deployed in Incursion 1.1.1 have been revised. Tranquility will return to service at 13:00 UTC
Delayed due to problems and issues? To bad they didnt do this at the start of all this to have kept this from happening! I guess it didnt affect a small enough percentage of subscribers?
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:33:00 -
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The problem was also caused by a third party, out of CCP's control altogether.
But 0.3% is very small and the hardware that is being outmoded is extremely old and would of only been compounded by the fact that soon Shader Model 2.0 is to be outmoded as well. ------------------------------------- The system issues man. |
Tesl
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Grymwysp First of smart guy..I paid for my game for the last year with ingame plexes, second off..I am so dang happy you are one of the wealthy ones with such a grandiose view of the world where everyone lives perfect lives and makes alot of money. I made my post not to bring empathy but to point out that alot of us dont have the cash people like you do. So...live your perfect life and have fun with your oodles of money and forget that the economy and real life crisis affects some of us....hey go buy yourself a new computer...yours might need an upgrade...dolt
You have no room to talk, last time eve updated, i too found i couldnt play it any more, so what did i do? instead of coming to the forums and crying like a baby, i got off my ass, stopped playing the game, got extra hours at work, and did something about it. i put that energy towards getting back in the game. it took me a year to do. what is your problem exactly apart from being bonafide lazy and thinking that because you are on the bread line that it stops you from SAVING.
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ARKANGEL DEMON
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:13:00 -
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During down time this morning I thought I'd do some reading up in the forums, when Eve is up and running that's what I'm doing playing Eve, I honestly can say I'm addicted. Normally I don't bother with the forums, when I have a game issue I usually place a petition.
Unfortunetly 1 of my machines has been cursed by this SSE2 issue, as I said earlier I don't come here to the forums much, so this totally took me by surprize. Well needless to say other than Eve I have still have an awesome cumputer which will run everything but Eve. Will I look at getting one that will run Eve, ahh more than likely, as I said I'm addicted.
There are a good many issues brought forward due to this SSE2 issue, but I wouldn't consider it whining, more venting in disatisfaction. Slamming some one for thier own missfortunes I would say is in bad taste. Easy for those that have newer systems to say oh up grade, you're cheap, if you can pay to play you can afford an upgrade.
For starters those slamming the less fortunate ones, sit back and look at what you're saying, does it really make sense, specially when you don't know what type of system the person has, or better yet what is that persons finacial state is, comments like go get a job, typical replay from some one who hasn't gone thru seriuos money issues. Some of these things being suggested would you actually go and do the same thing, fully knowing that in a short period of time you would be effected once again, likely not.
The so called " whiners " as you people call them , you kill me, how about some that are saying I can't do this, it crashes, or I down loaded the patch and it doesn't work, is that whining as well?
The way I see it is CCP or 3rd party did not take the proper time in stating that CPUs not supporting SSE2 will NOT run the game, I hardly think that a posting 2 days prior to the release was professional.
In saying that, we all want the same thing here, WE ALL WANT TO PLAY EVE. For many it's a escape from real life, some where to get lost for a few hours a day, some even have husbands & wifes and the kids playing and to have relief from real life taken away, it hits people hard.
Before judging some one ,pointing fingers, or calling them names people should really stop and think before typing, like you wouldn't do the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot.
That's all I'm going to say about that, I'm going to play Eve!
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DEA Agent
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Posted - 2011.01.23 01:14:00 -
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Well thanks a lot CCP for this warm rain of sh$t going down on the heads of those without SSE2 CPU!
I understand that technology develops and changes. But has there been some big red warning sign in some of the newsletters, all the weeks before the patch? Or in a mail-title something "EVE older CPU warning"?
I just fixed the problem with the "Point of entry GetSystemWow64DirectoryA blabla..." and now this.
Before I have the new hardware in play, the POS will be offline for sure, and if scumbags somehow manage to blow some parts... 6-7 billion isk will be lost. But I'm sure you will reimburse everybody that loses expensive stuff because of this. |
Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.01.23 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle Edited by: Lork Niffle on 17/01/2011 19:06:43 Systems that cannot use SSE2 are over 7 years old. Often more due to the wave of new system's back in 1999 with the release of SSE
A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well.
First, you're looking at more like $150 (not sure what the pound/dollar conversion rate is offhand though) unless you're talking a VERY low end system that isn't going to handle Eve any better than the older systems could. Second, you generally will also have to upgrade power supply, probably your hard drive as well or suffer HORRIBLE performance - a lot of newer motherboards are optimised for Serial ATA and while they technically support older EIDE drives the performance is usually pretty horrid for hard drive usage - and by that point you might as well just replace the entire system.
Most CURRENT games run fine on Athlon XP-based systems, SPECIFICALLY including other MMORGS (Everquest, Guild Wars, and World of Warcraft are specific examples I've played in the last month on my XP1800 based systems). IMO requiring a SSE2 capable system is rather premature at this point - there are a TON of systems that were "high end gaming systems" "7 years old" that run well with almost EVERYTHING that is currently available - except now Eve.
You'd be supprised how many decade old systems are still in use - though I grant that many of them are probably "alt and bot" usage or used on corporate desktops.
The very short advance notice is a prime example of some of the worst customer DISSERVICE I've ever seen, if it is planned to let this new requirement stand. I strongly suspect that the first actual warning most of the folks that have been affected had was when they suddenly couldn't get into the game.
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
That said, a new cheap motherboard/CPU combo can actually be purchased for under $100. Heck, you could get a motherboard, Athlon II dual-core CPU, and 4gb DDR2 for $153, $11 cheaper than the ú100 you suggest.
I personally wouldn't want to try to game with that sort of system, but it has a GeForce 6100 IGP and an IDE port so as long as the individual's PSU supported a 24 pin ATX power connector they could update their system to play EVE for under a hair under ú94, based on NewEgg's pricing for continental US shipping which, for the items involved, warrants no S&M fees.
Most P-III and XP-based systems don't know what a 24-pin ATX connector is. AFAIK the only XP-based systems that used a 24 pin ATX were the Tyan dual-CPU boards (which used a propriatary 24 pin ATX-style connector that is NOT compatable with current motherboards other than the s2460 at the low-end used a standard 20-pin ATX). I don't remember seeing any P-III based system use a 24 pin ATX of any form, except mabey the Supermicro multi-CPU boards - and those were ALSO propriatary as I recall. ATX 24-pin was not a standard when this stuff was being built, the boards didn't need that much power except for multi-CPU boards.
P-III and XP-based systems were generally AGP based with support for the original PCI generation video cards. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one that would support a CURRENT video card, nor do I recall seeing many if any current motherboards that would support the AGP card in most XP-based gaming systems - though if you go with onboard graphics that's not an issue. Original PCI cards never got high enough in performance to even THINK about running Eve on them, even if you could find one with enough video RAM to support Eve at all.
RAM *IS* an issue. XPs almost always used DDR, not DDR2 or DDR3 as used on ALL Athlon-64 based systems. I don't think ANY P-III based motherboard supported any form of DDR2. The final XP generation used 333 Mhz DDR at most (mabey 400 if you were overclocking) where Athlons want DDR2-800 to start with (though a FEW motherboard I've seen will use DDR2-533 or DDR2-666). Less of an issue if you're moving from a late-generation Pentium IV since those used DDR2-533 or higher, but those already support SSE2 so no need to move in the first place.
Yes, the 6100/6150 will handle Eve - BARELY - running on LOW settings, and it lags pretty noticeably a lot of the time. I happen to have a couple systems running that chipset with Semperon-64s - and I usually just use them for researcher alts that are "leeching" faction hits from missions my main is running. I REFUSE to go to any trade hub on a character on one of those machines ever again - even AMARR lags them out pretty badly, don't want to think about how horrible Jita would be. I strongly recommend NOT looking at a 6100/6150 based motherboard, they're getting pretty long in the tooth themselves and the performance sucks for Eve usage.
For comparision, those same systems ran World of Warcraft VERY easily pre-Cataclysm (I quit WoW long before Cataclysm was released so can't speak to how well they'd run WoW now with the latest expansion), and run Everquest acceptably fast except when raidng (lagged a lot on raiding the one time I tried). Eve ALREADY has a lot higher system requirement to run tolerably well compared to 2 of the "more popular" MMORGs on the market.
BTW - it's not fair to quote prices without including shipping - makes them seem a LOT lower, particularly since Newegg generally charges close to $10 to ship a motherboard (though the CPU and RAM often are "no shipping charge" on specials).
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tesl
I'm sorry but anyone who pays to play a game each month with real life cash, can not honestly throw the "im in poverty" line around. you are obviously able to afford 2 luxury's.
So far for you to play eve you are having to pay for 2 things.
1. the internet. its not something that is just given out free. you have to be paying for this to even connect to the web. 2. Your subscription to eve.
1. The internet is no longer a luxury. It's bloody near IMPOSSIBLE to find jobs any more without it, many employers ONLY advertise job openings via their web page or via online job sites/lists and even those that advertise in the newspaper usually refer you to their web site to actually apply. Even the UNEMPLOYMENT departments in most states have moved to making you file claims online - Iowa in specific as an example. Yes, I can go into their office to use THEIR computer to access the web site, but it's easier to do it at home where I have all the information they will ask for in their ONLINE application. Yes, in theory I could go to a library to file my initial and weekly claims (I don't think they let me go to their office to file the weekly claim) - but by that point I'm out of pocket almost as much for gas money ALONE as I would be filing the claim online - and that's with having an office in town with me. If I lived out in the boonies I'd be paying MORE for the gas to drive somewhere....
2. My subscription to Eve, except for the first month, consists of buying a PLEX ingame with ingame ISK. Your claim is FALSE for a lot of Eve players on THAT point. Why do you ASSUME that us broke long-out-of-work Eve players use our limited Real Money to pay for Eve?
Walk in this area in the wintertime is NOT an option most of the time. No sidewalks, big snowdrifts unless I were stupid enough to try walking ON the road, and it's 2 MILES to the nearest store except for one "convenience store/gas station".
I never look at "top of the line" machines. I build my own, and am usually down pretty low on the curve - but right now If I had to replace one of my XP-based systems it would eat over half of my monthly income to do so - which fails to factor in that my RENT is more than half my monthly income, my ELECTRIC/HEAT bills eat more than the rest in the winter (thank goodness for heating assistance), and the only reason I have food is Food Stamps. By MY standards right now, if you can afford to buy ANY new machine you are RICH.
If you think limiting a game to "2 years old" machines is sensible, you should study the failure of Vanguard. A large part of the reason it failed was BECAUSE it was designed to run on "current mid-range machines and higher" ONLY, and did NOT support older machines - which limited it's market very badly and it ticked a lot of would-be players off when their "officially supported" machines would NOT run the game because the "required system specs" were set quite a bit lower than what it ACTUALLY TOOK to run the game.
Might also look at why Entropia took a hugh userbase hit and has yet to recover after it moved to the Crysis engine for it's client - at the time they made the change it took a pretty high-end system to run the game without INSANE lag, and it still is very marginal on CURRENT low-to-mid range systems. Sure, it's PRETTY - but excessively fancy graphics tend to cause major lag in a MMORG.
One of the reasons WoW is a huge success is that it does NOT insist on "high end machines" to run it - or even "current low end" systems.
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Nevryn Takis
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Posted - 2011.01.23 11:12:00 -
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I know this thread is principly about SSE2 but most of the posters who want people to stop whining have also failed to realise that there is another far bigger issue ... you also need to upgrade your video card to one that supports Shader 3.0. So you either need a new motherboard that supports PCI-Express or an older board that is most likely AGP8.. both of these options limit the choice of graphics cards. PCI-Express MB more expensive but cheaper video card plus you preety much have to upgrade to SATA harddrive if you don't have one already. AGP8 MB much cheaper but much more expensive video card as they're much harder to come by and more than likely you'll need a SATA hard drive as well. And has also been pointed out you'll also most likely need to replay your ram and possibly your PSU. I'm now having to look at replacing my AGP video card that worked perfectly fine so do I get a SH 256MB card for UKP35-45 or a SH512 MB card for UKP45-60? I have the luxuary of already being forced to replace my MB 18 months ago when my existing one failed. After that I'm going to have to upgrade to Windows7 when I can find the ú100 for a full install retail pack, and at the current rate that's not going to be this year. |
mogwai
Gallente Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.01.23 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nevryn Takis I know this thread is principly about SSE2 but most of the posters who want people to stop whining have also failed to realise that there is another far bigger issue ... you also need to upgrade your video card to one that supports Shader 3.0.
CCL computers - U.K peeps
seems like a pretty cheap card, BUT only if you motherboard supports PCI-E |
mogwai
Gallente Sparks of Insanity
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Posted - 2011.01.23 12:03:00 -
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Dont know if this is going to be any help to people from the U.K, but please dont flame, i'm only trying to help out
Littlewoods
52 week payment option @ ú7.29 per week # IntelCeleron Dual Core E3400 2.5Ghz processor # 2GB RAM and 250GB hard drive # Comes with keyboard and mouse # Monitor not included (i assume most folks just need the base unit)
The one downside is the shared graphics , but a fix to this....
GeForce 8400gs 512mb @ ú23.00 for a graphics card... cant be too bad compared to some other options
Not sure what this would run eve like, but for the money + 52 week payment plan, just a small light at the end of the tunnel for some folks
p.s... i also have the SSe2 issue, but trying to help others in the same financial downturn as myself. |
raukosen
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Posted - 2011.01.23 12:41:00 -
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If you have NEVER upgrade your computer this is going to happen eventually anyway. If not this year then maybe the next, or the one after that. The purpose of the new graphical features in Incursion is to keep the game MODERN, and guess what, that's what your subscription fee is going towards. "I have no money so I can't do x" <-- ok, sucks for you, but it's not a god given right to play EVE. For just how long should they keep supporting your ancient machine? Seriously, the problem is on your end regardless of how powerless you feel. When analogue TV transmissions shut down you need to get a digital reciever box to watch TV, when services move online you need to get a computer to use them. Technology moves forward, regardless if it's at your expense or not. |
Nelson Cypher
Caldari Apocalyptic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.24 01:40:00 -
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Since I am pc illiterate. Can someone tell me how this 1 would work for being up to date?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229243
Really doubt I am going to buy it but I have no idea what the components all mean other than I know it better than what I use. Thanks
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Tekk Shell
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Posted - 2011.01.24 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tekk Shell on 24/01/2011 04:25:40 I guess I'm part of that 0.3% of people thats losing out on money due to this. We shouldn't have to update our computers when they ran EVE perfectly fine before this latest update. I have a good computer that runs most games with no problem.
A new computer will cost quite a bit due to the parts I have currently, I attend college and am completely broke every week. I want my money back and I'll go play something else.
Cheapest barebones kit I found is $199 on TirgetDirect. Thats what I pay for rent for a month at the College I attend. I don't know about any of you but I can't afford that.
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Shu Guang
Unrealized Reality AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle Edited by: Lork Niffle on 17/01/2011 19:06:43 Systems that cannot use SSE2 are over 7 years old. Often more due to the wave of new system's back in 1999 with the release of SSE
Many new games require half decent system's to run them adequately, that should of been news enough to get not necessarily a new system, but an up to date one.
Frankly running a system for more than a decade after it was introduced especially with the massive technology boom we've had in 2004-2006 and then complaining that it's being depreciated.
A new cheap CPU+Motherboard combo shouldn't be more than ú100 and that will support even more than just SSE2, like SSE3,SSE4 and multitasking performance boosts as well.
****s like you **** me off.. you have no idea about a decent mobo and cpu cost and you forgot that the power supply and ram is not usable on most cases and also it might be AGP gfx so another 150 at least for a decent gpu. So stfu and don't make remarks if you have no clue on prices. jerk. You're most probs living off mom and dad or the fat welfare check you keep cheating off the gov.
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Shu Guang
Unrealized Reality AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:37:00 -
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Everyone on this thread seems to miss the point, upgrading your system is well one of those things you have to do eventually. BUT THE BLOODY POINT HERE IS NOT THAT. The point here is CCP failed to give enough warning time. Imagine your city council comes and wants to bulldoze your house like in HGTTG (WITHOUT ANY WARNING!)
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Lork Niffle
Gallente External Hard Drive
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lork Niffle on 24/01/2011 21:43:05 Edited by: Lork Niffle on 24/01/2011 21:36:25
Originally by: Shu Guang
****s like you **** me off.. you have no idea about a decent mobo and cpu cost and you forgot that the power supply and ram is not usable on most cases and also it might be AGP gfx so another 150 at least for a decent gpu. So stfu and don't make remarks if you have no clue on prices. jerk.
Woah, calm down.
You seem to have a few misconceptions about how computers work. Computer standards are what allow modern systems to be very interchangeable when they don't have to be.
The most powerful AGP card is ú30 (Radeon 4650); that's right, in Britain where electronic prices are on of the highest you can acquire the most powerful AGP card for ú30.
You can build a very powerful system for a max of ú300; that's playing games at medium at 1920x1080. You can build a system that supports the same technologies for about ú150-ú200 and play at a lowered resolution.
I know how much a system cost, if you are ever spending more that ú800-ú1000 and you are not a video producer or 3D modeller you are seriously overspending on whatever you want to do. With ú800 being the absolute maximum you would ever need to spend. The hardware in my system cost about ú600 and can be bought today for about ú350-ú400 and plays games at 1920x1080 on high.
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You're most probs living off mom and dad or the fat welfare check you keep cheating off the gov.
You also do not know how much welfare is, the welfare system in the UK is fairly low end. You also can't cheat the system, the system is just so free and giving that a lot is given out. But that is certainly not the major problem in the UK; seriously, the welfare system is one of the lowest problems we have.
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The Defector
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: BinaryData
I play EVE on a 7,000$ computer, I also run 6 hulks, 1 orca, and a carrier at one time, but thats just me :)
ROFL dude your a lying ****. #1 you have no job, #2 u dont earn 5k per month, #3 u are on final notice to pay debts and #4 you have 3 chars, one given to you and NONE capable of flying a Carrier so shut the hell up
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Echo Mae
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Grymwysp I am so glad for you people that have the ability to upgrade or just buy new PC's...some of us however and not as well off as you and it seems your replies to thier dilemma show a great lack of human dignity. Myself, I have been out of work for 2 years now with 3 major knee operations and am lucky to purchase the basic needs never mind anything else. Up until this patch my PC with its greying AMD Sempron 3400+ could handle eve on high graphic settings now...goodbye eve...a game I enjoyed, alot of friends I made around the world....yeah...you farts who want to dis us go ahead and keep up the disrespectful comments and I hope you someday find yourself in the same boat as us and then maybe you'll gain insight into some human dignity...Peace out Eve...Fark off CCP
I live on $694.00 a month from Disability, that pays my RENT (though I get help from section 8), BILLS AND buys my FOOD (no foodstamps). I have a system that still manages to play EVE (just upgraded software to Win 7, AND got an Nvidia GT430 card by saving for 6 months). I have a change box I toss my change into, and when there is enough change, I look at getting 'newer' hardware for my computer. I don't buy the best and greatest, I look for value, but still decently up to date.
While your situation may be slightly different (I don't know what your bills etc are) there are still ways to manage to upgrade and not break yourself. I do it. Most people who are on low fixed incomes can probably do it as well, depending on their situations. ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll |
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