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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:28:00 -
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noobs dont matter just buy plex sell plex buy toon profit
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:36:00 -
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derp derp, I R LVL 1, why I no kill Liche King?
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Truespeaker
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:39:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I am a 2yr old industrial character, why is there no content for me?! I have been training skills for 2 years and now you introduce new content that i cannot use, what on earth are you thinking about? I can ply a badger an i have 7m but i can't help with incursions. whine whine whine blah blah blah...
See what i did there?
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Peik deLeaf
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:45:00 -
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incursion for low sp players: grab a cheap frigate or get an ibis, warp into a incursion site, instantly engage warp when you arrive and loot as many wrecks as you can before you start warping away, if the sansha destroy your ship before you can warp out just go get a new one 
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Truespeaker Dear CCP,
I am a 2yr old industrial character, why is there no content for me?! I have been training skills for 2 years and now you introduce new content that i cannot use, what on earth are you thinking about? I can ply a badger an i have 7m but i can't help with incursions. whine whine whine blah blah blah...
See what i did there?
I see. You didn't understand what is this topic about :D
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Peik deLeaf incursion for low sp players: grab a cheap frigate or get an ibis, warp into a incursion site, instantly engage warp when you arrive and loot as many wrecks as you can before you start warping away, if the sansha destroy your ship before you can warp out just go get a new one 
half the sites dont allow rookie ships t1 frigs are fine tho
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.01.27 09:50:00 -
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35 mil SP player here sounding in: I'm looking forward to using a cheap fit BC for incursion sites. Not willing to risk a battleship or an expensive fit until I get some blues set up and have a fleet I can trust. Battlecruiser will suffice until I know I can trust my fleet to not CONCORD-gank my maxed out logi.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:49:00 -
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OP has a point, that he/she wonŠt take the low skilled BC to a incursion, when hearing Sansha FRIGS are dealing 1000 dps omni.
But IF such a thing would be introduced, it would be run by the 60m SP loki guy with his two alts. Hard to find a role in such an endeavour for a low skilled newbie, especially when even vets struggle and lose their ships.
When some time passes by ppl will know better how to do the sites effectively, and then there might be roles for low skilled ppl as well. Main damage dealers/logis will always be for experianced/high skilled players.
But as i said in the beginning, OP has a point.
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman OP has a point, that he/she wonŠt take the low skilled BC to a incursion, when hearing Sansha FRIGS are dealing 1000 dps omni.
But IF such a thing would be introduced, it would be run by the 60m SP loki guy with his two alts. Hard to find a role in such an endeavour for a low skilled newbie, especially when even vets struggle and lose their ships.
When some time passes by ppl will know better how to do the sites effectively, and then there might be roles for low skilled ppl as well. Main damage dealers/logis will always be for experianced/high skilled players.
But as i said in the beginning, OP has a point.
He wont be able to run it with T3 or T2 ships because of the ship restrictions.
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Lynx Borealis
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love I'm a level 3 mission runner, and I can only go for 50.000 ISK sites or nowhere. Or I have to wait 1-2-3 months to train for Vanguards... Why CCP forget players around 3-10 million SP? There should be a new incursion stage below Vanguard and above the first. Maybe restricted to battlecruisers or something.
You are a fool.
How come day one pilot can pvp, but not pve?
When I came back to eve, I fitted rifter and went PVP straight away.
Training a pvp fleet able battlecruiser takes just 1-2 weeks, at most.
Training a pvp fleet able frigate skills takes just 1-2 days, at most.
In PVP fleets, everyone has their own role. Some are tacklers, some are damage dealers, some are ewar, some are logistics.
OP clearly doesn't have a clue, that Incursion sites needs new players in frigates fitted with two webbers to slow down those Sansha frigates.
All this whining about incursion sites comes from carebears, who thought that their pimped ships could take massive Sansha fleets by themselves, like they do in L4s.
You were wrong. Now go X up and fly in fleet and bring a ship that has a role.
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lynx Borealis
Training a pvp fleet able battlecruiser takes just 1-2 weeks, at most.
Training a pvp fleet able frigate skills takes just 1-2 days, at most.
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Awesome Tough Guy
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lynx Borealis
Originally by: Lyndsey Love I'm a level 3 mission runner, and I can only go for 50.000 ISK sites or nowhere. Or I have to wait 1-2-3 months to train for Vanguards... Why CCP forget players around 3-10 million SP? There should be a new incursion stage below Vanguard and above the first. Maybe restricted to battlecruisers or something.
You are a fool.
How come day one pilot can pvp, but not pve?
When I came back to eve, I fitted rifter and went PVP straight away.
Training a pvp fleet able battlecruiser takes just 1-2 weeks, at most.
Training a pvp fleet able frigate skills takes just 1-2 days, at most.
In PVP fleets, everyone has their own role. Some are tacklers, some are damage dealers, some are ewar, some are logistics.
OP clearly doesn't have a clue, that Incursion sites needs new players in frigates fitted with two webbers to slow down those Sansha frigates.
All this whining about incursion sites comes from carebears, who thought that their pimped ships could take massive Sansha fleets by themselves, like they do in L4s.
You were wrong. Now go X up and fly in fleet and bring a ship that has a role.
This is the best post in the thread
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Lyndsey Love
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Tough Guy
This is the best post in the thread
Definitely. Older pilots like to forget about what skills a new player need to success. That is reflects in a lot of posts where older players give advices to new pilots...
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love
Originally by: My Postman OP has a point, that he/she wonŠt take the low skilled BC to a incursion, when hearing Sansha FRIGS are dealing 1000 dps omni.
But IF such a thing would be introduced, it would be run by the 60m SP loki guy with his two alts. Hard to find a role in such an endeavour for a low skilled newbie, especially when even vets struggle and lose their ships.
When some time passes by ppl will know better how to do the sites effectively, and then there might be roles for low skilled ppl as well. Main damage dealers/logis will always be for experianced/high skilled players.
But as i said in the beginning, OP has a point.
He wont be able to run it with T3 or T2 ships because of the ship restrictions.
IŠve never seen an encounter allowing a BC and NOT allowing a Cruiser sized vessel, even itŠs a T3. But of course this could be done by CCP.
Ok so heŠs got to take in 3 high skilled Drakes. Or 2 high skilled drakes and a logi.
Protip: There are a lot of ppl here, only trying to circumvent game mechanics for what they are ment for. And usually they are so sucsessful, CCP has to make a "fix" afterwards.
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Phoehnix
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyndsey Love
Originally by: Awesome Tough Guy
This is the best post in the thread
Definitely. Older pilots like to forget about what skills a new player need to success. That is reflects in a lot of posts where older players give advices to new pilots...
This is not what it is about. In EVE you can't possibly expect to out-tank or out-DPS much older players, but there are several other roles to fill, read the post again.
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:58:00 -
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Welcome to the 'SANDBOX', be warned though, not all kids are the same age and the antisocial ones that refuse to play with others have a very limited avenues of fun.
Have a nice day now.
Hoppit!
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.01.27 16:25:00 -
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The Scout sites are respawning properly now so there's atleast something for the newer or unfleeted folks to do, pretty nice.
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Salliene
Gallente Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.27 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Truespeaker Dear CCP,
I am a 2yr old industrial character, why is there no content for me?! I have been training skills for 2 years and now you introduce new content that i cannot use, what on earth are you thinking about? I can ply a badger an i have 7m but i can't help with incursions. whine whine whine blah blah blah...
See what i did there?
Completely miss the point and make yourself look like an idiot? Yeah we saw it.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.01.27 16:37:00 -
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I just saw 2 Domis and a Rokh tanking(and slowly dpsing) a Vanguard Mining Colony site, so I don't think Tech 2 is by any means required.
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Tsetra
Gallente PhunkRabbit
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Salliene
Originally by: Tsetra
NO you should not be handed everything on a plate. YES you should have to WORK towards some things.
But there's really not much work involved, is there?
Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete! Skill training complete!
Yay! I'm good enough now!
While skill points are important to a degree and this is as such a factor of time over anything else, simply training skills wont provide you with RL knowledge and ability.
How many school leavers go for an interview (and subsiquently get the job) for a director's possition at a big city company? They dont, you go in as a clerk or assistant and work you way up, learning and gaining experience.
A player who has played since 2005 in a 1m SP char is likely to be better and more skilled (at the game not SP) than a player who has played for 6 months in a 100m SP char.
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