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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:03:00 -
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SANSHA INCURSION VESSELS SHOULD TRY TO POD YOU.
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Kruullien
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:04:00 -
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...AND GATE CAMPS
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Kruullien
...AND GATE CAMPS
. . . someone was not paying attention to the patchnotes. . .
.end of line.
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Kruullien
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Kruullien
...AND GATE CAMPS
. . . someone was not paying attention to the patchnotes. . .
nope.
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Quemist
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:07:00 -
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Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
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Vim
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:08:00 -
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I agree with the OP's idea. If you don't try to get your pod out of a site, thoose bad mofos sanshas that are here and got gear to counter us capsuleers should definetly try to hurt our squishy capsulees =)
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Planktal
Gallente
Kenshao Industries
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:08:00 -
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...and no CONCORD in invasion systems.
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Rin Vires
Gallente
RinCorp
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:08:00 -
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I agree with the OP, but podding won't truely make it feel like PvP.
Incursion rats should hop on the forums and whine about Incursion zones being dead because they killed all the bears that went there. They then should propose silly ideas such as moving lvl 3 and 4 missions into Incursion zones or making Incursion zones in all the major traderoutes. And last but not least, they should berate any industrialist/missioner than dares post in their whine thread.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:10:00 -
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at the very least could we get concord to not show up at a single Sancha sight with more ships that the comined sansha invasion has modules?
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:12:00 -
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just shoot any rock close to you 
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:12:00 -
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Why yes, I'm sure this will be the magic bullet that shoots even more people into participating in Incursions, Holmes. Make it feel more like PvP.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:15:43
Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Kruullien
...AND GATE CAMPS
. . . someone was not paying attention to the patchnotes. . .
I was, but I can't remember having seen any mention of Sanshas being literally at the (star)gates in Incursion systems, although I was expecting that exact thing to happen based on the promotional video.
Originally by: Planktal
...and no CONCORD in invasion systems.
That would hilariously also solve the whole "popped for RRing somebody in my fleet that shot me" issue
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
I have no idea.
The RP fluff backstory says they are kinda' going against capsuleers primarily, so it makes no RP sense for them to NOT try to pod us.
And it would be totally kickass to finally get some NPCs that pod people.
Originally by: Centri Sixx
Why yes, I'm sure this will be the magic bullet that shoots even more people into participating in Incursions, Holmes. Make it feel more like PvP.
Build itRamp up rewards by a factor of X, and they will come.
Note : where X is a sufficiently large number
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:17:00 -
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TOTAL HELL DEATH
Accept nothing less.
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Ej Raspujk
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:17:00 -
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Incursion is a joke. Better word an abomination. It's not meant to simulate pvp, even tho the icelandic morons kid themself that it might be. It is the accumilation of the complete failcascade ccp has been on since they first indulged the paying carebear.
They still haven't figured out the difference between a healthy evolution of gameplay and just cheaply selling out.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ej Raspujk
Incursion is a joke. Better word an abomination. It's not meant to simulate pvp, even tho the icelandic morons kid themself that it might be. It is the accumilation of the complete failcascade ccp has been on since they first indulged the paying carebear.
They still haven't figured out the difference between a healthy evolution of gameplay and just cheaply selling out.
6000 dead in less than two days and bear tears everywhere. Sorry but this is one of the best bits of content ever!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
6000 dead in less than two days and bear tears everywhere. Sorry but this is one of the best bits of content ever!
QFT.
I'm what you could mistakenly call a carebear but I'm still giggling at the "carebear tears" spilled all over the forum about incursion wipeouts and such.
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Ej Raspujk
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ej Raspujk on 27/01/2011 01:30:23
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
Incursion is a joke. Better word an abomination. It's not meant to simulate pvp, even tho the icelandic morons kid themself that it might be. It is the accumilation of the complete failcascade ccp has been on since they first indulged the paying carebear.
They still haven't figured out the difference between a healthy evolution of gameplay and just cheaply selling out.
6000 dead in less than two days and bear tears everywhere. Sorry but this is one of the best bits of content ever!
lol i stand corrected. Although, it's still weak to present a game in a way that a player doesn't need to learn anything at all about the core vision (pvp, never safe etc.), and then laugh when those players don't have a clue about buffer tanks and rr.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:33:00 -
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they should also post on forums whenever a software glitch causes issues with Jita or the market place or contracts and clame credit for it.
heck they should probably claim responsiblity for all the lag related DCs and socket closures and other crap from the legacy code that ccp is trying to update.
.end of line.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Vires
Incursion rats should hop on the forums and whine.
+1 internets to you sir.
As to the the OP, yeah I'm all for NPC's that pod, always seemed stupid that you could spend half your eve career blowing up sanshas and they would leave your pod alone.
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Cruel Crow
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:34:00 -
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Some should be careful what they ask for! It's a nice idea podding Sansha, until your podded by them many time. As you can see it would be annoying after a few times. This Idea is just pure garbage
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:38:43
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
it's still weak to present a game in a way that a player doesn't need to learn anything at all about the core vision (pvp, never safe etc.), and then laugh when those players don't have a clue about buffer tanks and rr.
Damn if they do and damn if they don't ? They just introduced some way for people to be mildly forced to get acquainted with that, and you're berating them for not making it mandatory earlier ? Or is it just that you're dismissive of our reaction to them learning it the hard way ?
Buffer tanks and rr aren't exactly novel concepts, and L5 missions weren't exactly solo pieces of cake, even L4s attempted by less experienced players would benefit from such techniques, so I'm not sure how else you would have hoped for CCP to "shove" those concepts down unwilling people's throats to begin with better than they just did.
Originally by: Cruel Crow
It's a nice idea podding Sansha, until your podded by them many time. As you can see it would be annoying after a few times.
A few times ?
ROFL, the forums would explode into outrage the moment the announcement would be made, or worse, on the first player report of Sansha podding.
Also, suggestion : don't get podded. WTFO.
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: yani dumyat on 27/01/2011 01:40:25
Originally by: Cruel Crow
Some should be careful what they ask for! It's a nice idea podding Sansha, until your podded by them many time. As you can see it would be annoying after a few times. This Idea is just pure garbage
No, you'd just have to spam warp, I mean is it really hard to do?
As to the sansha rats whining on the forum thing....surely there's a dev with a sense of humour somewhere, pretty please, more than comedy gold it would be pure RP winsauce.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
Originally by: Cruel Crow
Some should be careful what they ask for! It's a nice idea podding Sansha, until your podded by them many time. As you can see it would be annoying after a few times. This Idea is just pure garbage
No, you'd just have to spam warp, I mean is it really hard to do?
As to the sansha rats whining on the forum thing....surely there's a dev with a sense of humour somewhere, pretty please, it would be comedy gold.
Would be better if they trolled people too.
I can see it now, some bear starts a whine about how they got wiped out and the first reply is from a sansha rat asking if the OP would like to buy back their faction launchers
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:44:19
Originally by: yani dumyat
As to the sansha rats whining on the forum thing....surely there's a dev with a sense of humour somewhere, pretty please, more than comedy gold it would be pure RP winsauce.
Just get the guys who write chronicles and such, give'em a few beers and let'em go nuts
P.S. Oh, oh, they should ALSO smacktalk in local !
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Ej Raspujk
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
it's still weak to present a game in a way that a player doesn't need to learn anything at all about the core vision (pvp, never safe etc.), and then laugh when those players don't have a clue about buffer tanks and rr.
Damn if they do and damn if they don't ? They just introduced some way for people to be mildly forced to get acquainted with that, and you're berating them for not making it mandatory earlier ? Or is it just that you're dismissive of our reaction to them learning it the hard way ?
Buffer tanks and rr aren't exactly novel concepts, and L5 missions weren't exactly solo pieces of cake, even L4s attempted by less experienced players would benefit from such techniques, so I'm not sure how else you would have hoped for CCP to "shove" those concepts down unwilling people's throats to begin with better than they just did.
The point is. You can train to hulk, battleship and make enough isk to buy a plex each month, without ever dipping into things the game offers that I would consider core mechanics. Imo this situation has come to be because ccp is selling out. They are diverting from their holy vision for cash. They saw the first paying carebare not leaving the confinements of the starting area and understood money could be made. So they expanded on this starting area. And now we have incursion.
I don't want to explain why this is bad :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:47:41
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
The point is. You can train to hulk, battleship and make enough isk to buy a plex each month, without ever dipping into things the game offers that I would consider core mechanics.
Sov stuff is also a core game mechanic.
Never get out of empire, never have to learn about it.
It's a player's choice. Sandbody thinking and all that fluff.
I don't see it as a fault of CCP. Don't get me wrong, they have loads, but I don't see that as one of'em.
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
So they expanded on this starting area. And now we have incursion.
And any player can choose NOT to participate in them. You don't get trapped with no chance to escape. You can leave just fine.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
SANSHA INCURSION VESSELS SHOULD TRY TO POD YOU.
Second.
Also they should use HICs.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:38:43
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
it's still weak to present a game in a way that a player doesn't need to learn anything at all about the core vision (pvp, never safe etc.), and then laugh when those players don't have a clue about buffer tanks and rr.
Damn if they do and damn if they don't ? They just introduced some way for people to be mildly forced to get acquainted with that, and you're berating them for not making it mandatory earlier ? Or is it just that you're dismissive of our reaction to them learning it the hard way ?
Buffer tanks and rr aren't exactly novel concepts, and L5 missions weren't exactly solo pieces of cake, even L4s attempted by less experienced players would benefit from such techniques, so I'm not sure how else you would have hoped for CCP to "shove" those concepts down unwilling people's throats to begin with better than they just did.
I'm not sure what the point of the original objection is. If you can fly a buffer tanked rr battleship decently, and can afford to replace them, you aren't a new player.
I'm also wondering why you'd push PvP fits on a percentage of the population who don't PvP. It's not like you are going to see lightbulbs flash and them think "Hey, I can do L5s with this!" Other issues remain.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:50:57
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also they should use HICs.
HICs, bubbles, the works !
In 0.0 space only, of course.
Originally by: Centri Sixx
I'm not sure what the point of the original objection is.
I could ask the same of you.
This whole content is OPTIONAL.
Why complain you can't do it in your REGULAR type of PvE fit ?
Is requiring a tad bit of adaptation SO bad ?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also they should use HICs.
HICs, bubbles, the works !
In 0.0 space only, of course.
No, they should do it everywhere.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:52:03
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also they should use HICs.
HICs, bubbles, the works !
In 0.0 space only, of course.
No, they should do it everywhere.
Only if we can also do it in systems where an Incursion is running its course 
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
P.S. Oh, oh, they should ALSO smacktalk in local !
/me lights a candle and prays to whatever anthropomorphic figment of the imagination might make Oveur read this thread.
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Ej Raspujk
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:47:41
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
The point is. You can train to hulk, battleship and make enough isk to buy a plex each month, without ever dipping into things the game offers that I would consider core mechanics.
Sov stuff is also a core game mechanic.
Never get out of empire, never have to learn about it.
It's a player's choice. Sandbody thinking and all that fluff.
I don't see it as a fault of CCP. Don't get me wrong, they have loads, but I don't see that as one of'em.
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
So they expanded on this starting area. And now we have incursion.
And any player can choose NOT to participate in them. You don't get trapped with no chance to escape. You can leave just fine.
With core vision I don't mean sov, moons, w/e, I'm talking about that eve, at it's very soul, is a pvp game with consequences. I'm sorry but I'm unable to see it any other way. Straying away from that and justifying it by saying things like "we don't design top bottum" etc is just super lame.
If you indulge players who don't really get that, but just want to hang out in safe zones, you're selling out.
It's one of the reasons the economy is soo ****ed atm.
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Treasure Seaker
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:55:00 -
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i love incursions. Just under 6 bil in faction loot in 1hr 
But having them try to pod us would be so cool
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
I could ask the same of you.
This whole content is OPTIONAL.
Why complain you can't do it in your REGULAR type of PvE fit ?
Is requiring a tad bit of adaptation SO bad ?
I'm not complaining about doing it in regular fit, I'm wondering why push PvP fit content when the target audience isn't going to use that fit elsewhere. It makes sense in low/null, but not in hisec.
As for optional, I don't think it's intended to be completely optional, hence the system debuffs. Especially if the incursions start to hit areas that people can't ignore so easily.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 27/01/2011 02:01:36
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:52:03
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
No, they should do it everywhere.
Only if we can also do it in systems where an Incursion is running its course
If we could work out proper aggression rules for non-targetted interdiction that didn't involve CONCORD... i'd totally be in favor of it.
Also, while I think disabling CONCORD would be a bit much, it'd be nice to disable the faction police and/or customs at least (if they're not already)...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 02:03:50
Originally by: Centri Sixx
I'm wondering why push PvP fit content
I'm wondering why PvE content was ever designed in such a way that PvE fits could have evolved to be different from PvP fits in the first place.
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also, while I think disabling CONCORD would be a bit much, it'd be nice to disable the faction police and/or customs at least (if they're not already)...
Nah, you could have factional police and/or customs respond to events where previously CONCORD would have showed up.
And you can RP that by claiming that CONCORD is too busy trying to hold back the Sansha elements elsewhere.
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This way, evading the wrath of what would have normally been CONCORD is no longer an exploit, and is actually expected.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 27/01/2011 02:00:38
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:52:03
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
No, they should do it everywhere.
Only if we can also do it in systems where an Incursion is running its course
If we could work out proper aggression rules for non-targetted interdiction i'd totally be in favor of it.
Also, while I think disabling CONCORD would be a bit much, it'd be nice to disable the faction police and/or customs at least (if they're not already)...
I think customs do get disabled.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:06:00 -
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- Based on a low random chance and during the final stage should Incursions batphone Pandemic Legion and hot drop player fleets with Titans and super carriers.
- Based on a high random chance should all Sansha pilots of an Incursion start talking Russian on local and take vengeance on every player who took part in driving them out of their constellations.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:09:00 -
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Or, hell, let us also JOIN the Sansha side, and get SANSHA LP for assisting with the destruction of capsuleers in Incursion systems.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Or, hell, let us also JOIN the Sansha side, and get SANSHA LP for assisting with the destruction of capsuleers in Incursion systems.
+1 this too. Make some pro-Sansha sites where you trash on relief convoys or establish sansha outposts by clearing areas of faction police or (gasp) CONCORD. Completing their incursion sites deepens the incursion effects and spreads the incursions to new systems....
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Why complain you can't do it in your REGULAR type of PvE fit ?
Is requiring a tad bit of adaptation SO bad ?
Yes it is bad. I should be able to solo those incursions in my purger drake.
In fact, I should be getting those LP and rewards without even doing them, I'm a paying customer damnit 
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ej Raspujk
*snip*
With core vision I don't mean sov, moons, w/e, I'm talking about that eve, at it's very soul, is a pvp game with consequences. I'm sorry but I'm unable to see it any other way. Straying away from that and justifying it by saying things like "we don't design top bottum" etc is just super lame.
If you indulge players who don't really get that, but just want to hang out in safe zones, you're selling out.
It's one of the reasons the economy is soo ****ed atm.
If a PvP'er looses his gear in combat, sells some GTC and buys new gear would this mean the world is in order in your eyes?
How is that different to an industrialist who was acquiring materials, selling products and having to sell at a loss because of competition, and then needs to go back an acquire more of those materials.. with ingame time instead of out of gate time and buying plex?
Same goes for a market manipulation gone wrong..
Give it some time.. this is the first PvE content that FORCES coordination and a fleet of ships to be done in Empire. Who knows.. maybe 3-4 years down the road we get more stuff like this.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 02:54:00 -
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Frankly, the entire Incursion thing is just desperately uninventive. God forbid the developers should come up with anything intelligent with regard to enemy behaviour or the tactics necessary to defeat it, nope, let's just go with big ships with lots of hit points. Yeah, great idea! nobody's ever done that in a computer game before.
Try and be a bit more original CCP. There are stacks of things you could do that would be more fun and more inventive. Why not have large numbers of co-ordinated smaller strikes in numerous systems that have to be taken out in a narrow timeframe to make a successful rebuff, necessitating the relaying of messages between widespread players? That way at least new players could join in with their Ibis and Velators and feel like they are contributing. Or perhaps have players needing to use tractor beams to pull large disabled ships into an upper atmosphere so they burn up in a decaying orbit? Or carry out stealthy reconnaissance missions to find out where the incursions will be happening? Or make strikes on staging area logistics? Or have the option to do a kamikaze-style attack on a capital ship? Or require a coordinated level of jamming to thwart the Sansha CCC capabilities? Or even necessitate a trade or productivity war.
Just anything other than pew pew pew for 25 minutes from half the populace of EVE while the lag threatens to bomb the server? It's so mind numbingly predictable. Surely you can do better than 'here comes a big ship, everyone shoot at it'?
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 02:03:50
Originally by: Centri Sixx
I'm wondering why push PvP fit content
I'm wondering why PvE content was ever designed in such a way that PvE fits could have evolved to be different from PvP fits in the first place.
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Also, while I think disabling CONCORD would be a bit much, it'd be nice to disable the faction police and/or customs at least (if they're not already)...
Nah, you could have factional police and/or customs respond to events where previously CONCORD would have showed up.
And you can RP that by claiming that CONCORD is too busy trying to hold back the Sansha elements elsewhere.
...
This way, evading the wrath of what would have normally been CONCORD is no longer an exploit, and is actually expected.
WHy not just have incursions severely nerf CONCORD's possession of WMDs? CONCORD becomes tankable for the duration of the incursion. BETTER YET, have a CONCORD structure in the solar system, which if destroyed (or put into reinforced or whatever) will reduce the sec status of the system until the incursion is repelled.
I've always loved the idea of a dynamic sec status for solar systems.
DO IT CCP! DO IT NAAAOO
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Ej Raspujk
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Posted - 2011.01.27 03:13:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Give it some time.. this is the first PvE content that FORCES coordination and a fleet of ships to be done in Empire. Who knows.. maybe 3-4 years down the road we get more stuff like this.
Maybe You're right :)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.01.27 04:50:00 -
[47]
everything should be hardcore!
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.27 05:00:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ej Raspujk
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Give it some time.. this is the first PvE content that FORCES coordination and a fleet of ships to be done in Empire. Who knows.. maybe 3-4 years down the road we get more stuff like this.
Maybe You're right :)
From my POV Sansha are a notch tougher than Sleepers.. there is no rule that says we can't have Takmahl or Yan Jung two years down the road doing even nastier stuff than Sansha do now - ya know, once people got used to this.
Careful, step by step, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:56:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Careful, step by step, we don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water
Well, the Sansha sure would not care about that, considering how many fictional people they abducted, subverted and <insertdeityhere> knows what else
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Flybiere
Gallente
Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:33:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Flybiere on 27/01/2011 13:33:32
Originally by: Elecktra Static
Edited by: Elecktra Static on 27/01/2011 03:00:44
Edited by: Elecktra Static on 27/01/2011 02:59:46
Frankly, the entire Incursion thing is just desperately uninventive. God forbid the developers should come up with anything intelligent with regard to enemy behaviour or the tactics necessary to defeat it, nope, let's just go with big ships with lots of hit points. Yeah, great idea! nobody's ever done that in a computer game before.
Try and be a bit more original CCP. There are stacks of things you could do that would be more fun and more inventive. Why not have large numbers of co-ordinated smaller strikes in numerous systems that have to be taken out in a narrow timeframe to make a successful rebuff, necessitating the relaying of messages between widespread players? That way at least new players could join in with their Ibis and Velators and feel like they are contributing. Or perhaps have players needing to use tractor beams to pull large disabled ships into an upper atmosphere so they burn up in a decaying orbit? Or carry out stealthy reconnaissance missions to find out where the incursions will be happening? Or make strikes on staging area logistics? Or have the option to do a kamikaze-style attack on a capital ship? Or require a coordinated level of jamming to thwart the Sansha CCC capabilities? Or even necessitate a trade or productivity war.
Just anything other than pew pew pew for 25 minutes from half the populace of EVE while the lag threatens to bomb the server? It's so mind numbingly predictable. Surely you can do better than 'here comes a big ship, everyone shoot at it'? That idea was overused by the time Galaxians came out, and that was 32 years ago.
LOL!
Obviously CCP need to hire someone of you calibur.
They were probably sitting there, dribbling and thinking to themselves.
"DUH! We need biggar ShPz and mAke dem Uber Powerful!"
And that was it they just did it. They didn't test any other content and they just left it at that. God knows the n00by carebears can handle the big dumb tough ships and whats more they do it without crying in the forums. They could easily coordinate a multi system counter attack on the Sansha's.
Incase it was ambiguous, the above is completely *FORWARD SLASH ESS*
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:38:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
but the sanshas need live bodies.
...they should be adding our individual distinctiveness to their own collective...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:14:00 -
[52]
Originally by: W1rlW1nd
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
but the sanshas need live bodies.
...they should be adding our individual distinctiveness to their own collective...
They get enough of those through abductions. Besides, if your pod gets away, they're not exactly getting any live bodies if they don't pod you, are they ? They obliterate things for less, but somehow the capsuleers they officially hate, they just let them leave without as much as inflicting a tad bit of pain (if to nothing else, then at least to their wallets) ?
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:22:00 -
[53]
Seems some people want EvE back to only 5000 accounts, either that or they want the incursions to fail.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:46:00 -
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Not an evil idea. All incursion players would jumpclone in an empty clone each time they go for incursion combat. Medical clone fees are nothing compared to the stuff you lose when your ship is destroyed. That should even help player (direct respawn in the station where your ships are ready to use).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 06:43:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Fulbert
Not an evil idea. All incursion players would jumpclone in an empty clone each time they go for incursion combat. Medical clone fees are nothing compared to the stuff you lose when your ship is destroyed. That should even help player (direct respawn in the station where your ships are ready to use).
You have an unhealthily optimistic virtual worldview
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 06:54:00 -
[56]
Just stating fact here, but if you make Incursions too punishing, then noone will go there, like low-sec, they will simply leave or do something else. Pod killing wouldn't be a minus for established players, but would hit new players hard. BTW, Akita, I thought your char was ugly, but now I just need you to stroke my hair and tell me everything's going to be ok. |
Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:09:00 -
[57]
I'm still waiting for CCP to replace their current missions with ones that require PvP ship fits. Where you only fight 1 or 2 ships that tank and deal damage similar to player ships. Who are vulnerable to and capable of using all forms of ECM. That will warp out before they explode if they are not tackled (depriving the mission runner of their bounties/loot).
So I won't hold my breath for these ideas.
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Incursion Rat
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:10:00 -
[58]
I am all for the podding of pilots. Please CCP, let us have some fun too!
We could have a corpse collection the likes of which the galaxy has never seen.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:15:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Tegan Karus
BTW, Akita, I thought your char was ugly, but now I just need you to stroke my hair and tell me everything's going to be ok.
Grows on you in time, doesn't it ?
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:19:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tegan Karus
BTW, Akita, I thought your char was ugly, but now I just need you to stroke my hair and tell me everything's going to be ok.
Grows on you in time, doesn't it ?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:22:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Akita T
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Originally by: Ej Raspujk
So they expanded on this starting area. And now we have incursion.
And any player can choose NOT to participate in them. You don't get trapped with no chance to escape. You can leave just fine.
Not really if Sansha get to deploy bubbles as suggested in this thread. & 
I must compliment you on one of the best trolls I have seen. And to be honest I find the "elite PvPers" patting each other back in this tread a mix of amusing and irritating. So smug and at the same time so clueless. [shake head]
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:29:00 -
[62]
Akita T isnt a troll, I know that much just browsing.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:31:00 -
[63]
I suggested that months ago already in the test server forum while Incursion was still early in development.
And I was not the only one who suggested that.
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I AM SPARTACUS
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:36:00 -
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I don't agree with no Concord. What would make more sense is if Concord actually engaged the Sansha forces as well as anybody making trouble.
Bubbles and no Concord? Might as well just make them low/null sec. Yes I know you can't in low sec.
I AM OFFICER SPARTACUS!
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W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:37:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: W1rlW1nd
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
but the sanshas need live bodies.
...they should be adding our individual distinctiveness to their own collective...
They get enough of those through abductions. Besides, if your pod gets away, they're not exactly getting any live bodies if they don't pod you, are they ? ...
hmmm, well there could be a mechanic where sansha attempt to tractor in your pod [warp scrambled] if you do not warp away before they lock on, and if your buddies fail to kill the sansha ship in time to release you then your pod disappears...
...and you wake up somewhere random in eve, in control of one of those cheapo sansha frigs that patrol belts. from there you are red to all players and are free to go wherever you want and attack players at will with your little pee shooter guns until someone kills you off for good, or you eject and suicide yourself...
... at which point you wake up in the clone vat like usual as in:
the only way for a capsuleer to escape the enslavement of sansha is to get true pod death to your next untainted clone.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:42:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Akita T isnt a troll, I know that much just browsing.
No, but this thread is. And a very good one. It get exactly what a good troll sholuld aim for, a mix of irritation and amusement.
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Miss Krunk
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:02:00 -
[67]
Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.
Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:14:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Miss Krunk
Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.
Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?
I have my main, she uses a Nightmare and a |Golum and sure Its in a noob corp because I cant risk someone deciding to stop my income, I mean seriously, I just cant. I pay for my second account using Plex though and last night got involved in a fleet, learned how it workd with logistics and such. Carebears will and do step up. If you look at the news higgh sec incursions were contested whereas low sec were not.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:18:00 -
[69]
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough!
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:27:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough!
Have you warped into a HQ Bill?
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Hal Pelaeon
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:28:00 -
[71]
I fully support this thread, make incursions the source of even more tears!
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:31:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough!
Have you warped into a HQ Bill?
Aye, I have. Warped in with a cloaky ship to scoop the goodies from the space pi±atas people insisted on bringing the first two days.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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Tegan Karus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:36:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough!
Have you warped into a HQ Bill?
Aye, I have. Warped in with a cloaky ship to scoop the goodies from the space pi±atas people insisted on bringing the first two days.
Illwill, so you uncloaked and ninja'd wrecks, well fair play. I havent tried it, so I cant say it isnt possible. I would say that the spawns are evil if you actually try to kill something though. |
My Postman
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:49:00 -
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Excuse Akita, but as i know you as a well respected forum dweller, iŠve only got one question:
Have you been drinking (or worse) before making your post?
These incursions are hard enough, and you WILL lose your ship, when unlucky get primaried the first second after jump in. So, do you find it a good idea jumping in, landing in a bubble AND get primaried the first second?
After this SURE shiploss you feel you have to lose your implants too, by getting podded?
But i support the idea by getting smacked in local from those sanshas for the lulz.
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Illwill Bill
Noxious Intention
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 28/01/2011 08:50:40
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Illwill, so you uncloaked and ninja'd wrecks, well fair play. I havent tried it, so I cant say it isnt possible. I would say that the spawns are evil if you actually try to kill something though.
Here's the deal: Tons of people did what you suggested; warping directly into an HQ, and subsequently died horribly in plasma fires. However, it's actually about gathering a group of people and to WORK TOGETHER, starting with the smaller sites and then working your way up.
Incursions aren't a walk in the park, nor should they be. They provide a challenging experience, and are rewarded accordingly. All I want is an adjustment of the risk/reward ratio.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Great story but you probably want this in CAOD so feel free to post there with your main.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.28 09:00:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Miss Krunk
Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.
Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?
I have my main, she uses a Nightmare and a |Golum and sure Its in a noob corp because I cant risk someone deciding to stop my income, I mean seriously, I just cant. I pay for my second account using Plex though and last night got involved in a fleet, learned how it workd with logistics and such. Carebears will and do step up. If you look at the news higgh sec incursions were contested whereas low sec were not.
Thats because bears are more adaptable than bots
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
No, you'd just have to spam warp, I mean is it really hard to do?
No, it's rather trivial actually. Not hard at all. Which begs the question, why have it when the only gameplay it introduces is "spamming warp"?
On the other hands. It's a mechanic that screws over the player when it lags. Incursions have lots of lag.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:09:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Pohbis
[...]why have it when the only gameplay it introduces is "spamming warp"?
On the other hands. It's a mechanic that screws over the player when it lags. Incursions have lots of lag.
PvP can also have loads of lag Actually, it very often does. And not always evenly.
Besides, having a pod hanging around to provide intel (positions, numbers and such) is a mild advantage to those in the fleet (or just communicating with those in a fleet about to come in, anyway).
They don't have to target pods primarily, heck, they could have (one of) the lowest possible targeting priority (so they only hunt down pods when all//most ships are kaboominated), but the threat of podding should exist, even if mostly as an afterthought.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:17:00 -
[79]
I don't know why but I have the feeling that the line between "really feel like PvP" and "PvP" is getting very, very thin this way ..
I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious??
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:20:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 28/01/2011 13:22:55
Originally by: Akita T
Or, hell, let us also JOIN the Sansha side, and get SANSHA LP for assisting with the destruction of capsuleers in Incursion systems.
+1
There are Sansha loyalists all over the place wishing they could actually RR sansha ships without CONCORD intervention. Poor bastards get left out even after pledging their support!
... and what would be really cool is if the Sansha forces would hot drop supercarriers on you when you start attacking their bait fleet. Y'know, to really be authentic to the lowsec/nullsec feeling :)
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:21:00 -
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I am waiting for the incursion on jita and the tears to really flow. Sure ccp are going to have to do this once every 6 months.
Keep up the good work ccp
Hoppit!
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Ovella
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:44:00 -
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They should also camp stations (and gates in highsec - which I don't think is done), ocasionaly warp in missions/safespots and attack structures (POSes/TCUs and stuff), with all other ideas THAT would feel like an actual invasion, now it's just pointless spawning of 'plexes in systems.
Also, no missions should be given out while incursion is underway - have carebears contribute to more immedeate threat to consellation than agent running out of exotic dancers.
Oh, and Sansha totaly shouldn't move away after a week if face no resistance - have them "capture" stations and deny docking until they are taken out (not to mention that I find incredably stupid that players can dock with faction/corporation standing less than -5). |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:13:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Cathy Drall
I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious??
Only technetium and nanotransistors, but if Sanshas start podding, the ship losses should actually go down as some people will be afraid to go in...
...so it would be counter-productive for that purpose anyway even if I would have a large pile of ships to be sold
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Meridith Akesia
Tempest Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:20:00 -
[84]
Who gets podded outside of nullsec anyway 
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Fumbleface
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:29:00 -
[85]
Podding in Incursions is a bad idea! Period.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Akita T
stuff
In addition, they should logoffski when you engage with a superior force (no rewards for you) and be able to read your fleet chat / target broadcasts so they can counter your maneuvers (switch targets when someone gets reps, kill the FC).
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Dhaul
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
* there should be no CONCORD presence in the system while an Incursion is running (bonus points for fixing the RR-CONCORDOKKENED issue with this) -- optionally, have faction police//customs respond instead of CONCORD (so that you can try and maybe even succeed in escaping without it being deemed an exploit, but it would still not be a piece of cake)
This is the biggest thing IMO. The fact that CONCORD still appears in sansha invaded systems is completely immersion breaking and really lame.
This will never happen, though. The carebear tears would be too numerous.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cathy Drall
I don't know why but I have the feeling that the line between "really feel like PvP" and "PvP" is getting very, very thin this way ..
I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious??
Nope, this is right on the money. Tis exactly what I was thinking. Akita posts on the market forums a fair bit :).
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:12:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 02:20:08
SANSHA INCURSION VESSELS SHOULD TRY TO POD YOU.
Other evil ideas collected from below:
* THEY SHOULD SMACK-TALK IN LOCAL (optionally naming pilots they just obliterated), but in an appropriate RP fashion -- scripted
* have CCP-controlled Sansha NPCs that would roleplay in forum reply posts made in threads complaining about incursions -- partially scripted, partially CCP event team employees having a bit of fun
* they should use HICs and maybe even bubbles in all Incursion systems... and so should we be able to do while the incursion is running
* there should be no CONCORD presence in the system while an Incursion is running (bonus points for fixing the RR-CONCORDOKKENED issue with this) -- optionally, have faction police//customs respond instead of CONCORD (so that you can try and maybe even succeed in escaping without it being deemed an exploit, but it would still not be a piece of cake)
* make some pro-Sansha sites where you trash on relief convoys or establish sansha outposts by clearing areas of faction police or (gasp) CONCORD. Completing their incursion sites deepens the incursion effects and spreads the incursions to new systems. You also get SANSHA LP.
Nullsec incursions already exist, there are 3 of them, you should go there and do sites.
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Centri Sixx
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:17:00 -
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Akita is a well known market muncher. Of course this would be good, Akita would set up buy and sell orders for implants and arbitrage the hell out of them. Market munchers have no real interest in the long term health of the game, just in what mades the iskie balance bigger. Like in real life.
Keep in mind, that right now incursions are new. Eventually, people are going to get tired of them, and the PUGS will go back to doing what they were before. The sane solution would be to continually expand on the types of incursion missions, opening them up to more than a spider fleet of rr battleships and logis. Doubt CCP will do that though, so don't expect them to get harder.
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Toriessian
Amarr
Helion Production Labs
Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2011.01.28 17:42:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Akita T
* THEY SHOULD SMACK-TALK IN LOCAL (optionally naming pilots they just obliterated), but in an appropriate RP fashion -- scripted
LOL... Everytime I think NPC's talking smack in local I think Everquest and apply it to EVE...
A Sansha Cruiser has KICKED YOU for 26 points of damage...
A_Sansha_Cruiser_001 says: You have ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!
And if it was Everquest it probably would have gone that way too lol.... honestly would add some flair to the game. 10 years later I chuckle about getting kicked by completely inappropriate NPCs.
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Khader Khan
The Orthography Commandos
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Posted - 2011.01.28 18:12:00 -
[92]
Originally by: baltec1
TOTAL HELL DEATH
Accept nothing less.
Needs even more...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.07 01:48:00 -
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Hooray, back from another vacation.
I take it people are not considering Incursions too easy yet, eh ?
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Medarr
Amarr
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2011.02.07 03:55:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 01:17:16
Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Kruullien
...AND GATE CAMPS
. . . someone was not paying attention to the patchnotes. . .
I was, but I can't remember having seen any mention of Sanshas being literally at the (star)gates in Incursion systems, although I was expecting that exact thing to happen based on the promotional video.
They are go look in ANY lowsec incursion.
Originally by: Planktal
...and no CONCORD in invasion systems.
That would hilariously also solve the whole "popped for RRing somebody in my fleet that shot me" issue
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?
I have no idea.
The RP fluff backstory says they are kinda' going against capsuleers primarily, so it makes no RP sense for them to NOT try to pod us.
And it would be totally kickass to finally get some NPCs that pod people.
They dont. They want to enslave us not kill us.
Originally by: Centri Sixx
Why yes, I'm sure this will be the magic bullet that shoots even more people into participating in Incursions, Holmes. Make it feel more like PvP.
Build itRamp up rewards by a factor of X, and they will come.
Note : where X is a sufficiently large number
Have you even seen the number of people fleeting up?
Originally by: Rin Vires
Incursion rats should hop on the forums and whine about Incursion zones being dead because they killed all the bears that went there. They then should propose silly ideas such as moving lvl 3 and 4 missions into Incursion zones or making Incursion zones in all the major traderoutes. And last but not least, they should berate any industrialist/missioner than dares post in their whine thread.
They could use the random grievance generator and have really cool names like xXxTrueSlave 743837xXx !!!!!111one
We are kicking their asses to hell and back.. Plenty of us in system so they have nothing to complain about. L2P
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.02.07 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Medarr
[about Sansha gatecamps in patchnotes]
They are go look in ANY lowsec incursion.
We were talking about the patchnotes, not about what happens in-game.
But thanks for confirming it actually happens in-game.
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[about RP fluff that Sansha go after capsuleers]
They don't. They want to enslave us not kill us.
Well, they're not making any attempts to "enslave" us in any way either, and being podded will only result in being "reborn" in a new medical clone anyway, so they might as well hit you in the wallet a bit.
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[reply to my response to a remark about adding rewards in order to counteract the added risks described in the OP]
Have you even seen the number of people fleeting up?
I'm almost certain you read the context of my reply wrong, but anyway, how exactly would you characterize the number of people fleeting up, as "too big" or "too small" anyway ? And how long do you think it will remain that way when the novelty wears off in a couple of weeks (or maybe months) ?
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[about NPCs coming to complain on the forums about pilots running incursions]
We are kicking their asses to hell and back.. Plenty of us in system so they have nothing to complain about. L2P
Again, I am having a feeling you weren't really paying attention to the context, or at least misunderstood all the possibilities.
The point was that Sansha NPCs should make an appearance in the forums as almost player-like entities, regardless of what they would say... important being the fact they talk, not why they talk.
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Ger Tomard
Caldari
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
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Posted - 2011.02.12 19:48:00 -
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OP is comical.
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Reonetii
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.12 21:56:00 -
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Incursions should attack high sec towers too!
Just think, a "legal" way for CCP to gradually clean up all those anchored but offline "abandoned " non playing towers hogging all the moon anchor points being laid siege to and removed, that otherwise someone would have to make a war dec to clean up. Freeing up resources is a good thing.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2011.02.12 22:16:00 -
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Essentially transforming incursion constellations into pockets of Null-sec... I love it, and this would make me be actually interested in incursions!
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Shander Maxum
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Posted - 2011.02.13 03:25:00 -
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Seriously , the smack talking is a great idea,
They should also keep a public killboard sow we can enjoy the details of the battle and see the failed fits of people taking them on.
I'm not being sarcastic.. it would add more flavor to the game.... more emotion...more show of people cracking under pressure that makes spectator sports so great to watch.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.13 10:04:00 -
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They should have lock ranges appropriate to their ship class, no more keeping you locked while they fly over to deal with a new group 100km away in their frigate and meaning that Sensor Damps have some effect.
They should screw up on occasion, at present there's little point in cycling off a target which has logistics support, either you can break them or you can't there's no catching their logistic napping or even catching them mid cycle. (Although you could argue that they already screw up enough in their target calling, see above  )
They should degrade sovereignty related effects (the I-Hub indeces) and, when the Incursion is at an appropriate level, their complexes should have the effect of STOPs even if they don't directly attack Sovereignty structures. (And that should be the point at which CONCORD, HICs...etc become effected - Loyalist forces would be able to attack highsec stations, disable station services...etc for appropriate levels of Sansha Incursion LP (not the same as LP with True Creations or True Power but a new LP store comparable with the CONCORD LP store)).
They should loot wrecks, perhaps even salvage them if the ratio of their ships to Capsuleer vessels within a site is high enough.
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Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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