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Quemist	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:20:00 - [1] I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys.
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Quemist So stfu and die fan boys. NO U!
ARES XII	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:33:00 - [3] I think he mad.
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:36:00 - [4] No. To play this game at the 'most efficient' route you 'have' to have multiple accounts - but I am fairly certain CCP designed it so that you'd rely on your fellow capsuleers in corp/alliance/friends to light the cyno for you. They didn't mean for every man and his dog to have a capital ship on three accounts, they were meant to be big investments at a corp/alliance level.
Ayaska Shran	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Your complaint as been voiced many times, on every single MMO ever made. And it is just as pointless as all those other times. So listen up Troll. #1 Most MMO's are designed so people play together #2 PLayers that are paired up or teamed into larger groups typically have an advantage over smaller groups or individuals #3 The developers have no way of knowing if a single player gets multiple accounts #4 The developer has no incentive for caring if a single player gets multiple accounts #5 Therefore a player can gain an advantage by playing multiple accounts It doesn't matter if you like it, or approve of it, or just feel like being whiny. People play multiple accounts. In every game where it is possible. Why? #1 It gives them an advantage #2 It is not against the rules #3 If it is against the rules for a particular game then that rule must be enforceable #4 In most MMO and online games such a rule is NOT enforceable Why are you complaining about TWO accounts? You know people get 3, 4, 10 accounts on these kinds of games. Should people with two accounts be complaining that people with three accounts have an advantage over them. No, because its pointless. TL;DR Get over it, go get a second account.
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:41:00 - [6] Irony: Poasting a rant about needing multiple accounts from an alt.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Quemist So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. I would say there are 2 groups of people, 1 is those who already know that and 2 who doesn't know and will deny it no matter what(raging fanboys). There are many ways to make players only use 1 account: 1. Make game more interactive so that managing 4 accounts at the same time will be too difficult. 2. Make stuff easier to do with only 1 account. Or do nothing and swim in gold like scrouge mcduck There is a new mmo called RIFT coming out soon, I'd recommend to try it
Mina Hiragi Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:53:00 - [8] picks up phone, punches in three numbers "HELLO? OH GOD, PLEASE HELP, I NEED A WHAAAAMBULANCE OVER HERE ASAP!" Don't worry, Quemist, everything's going to be okay.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:54:00 - [9] Eve is heavily designed for team play. If you want to go and construe that to mean you need more than one account so that you can continue to play solo, be my guest. Of course multiple accounts is an advantage, as in any MMO. In a typical fantasy MMO, a second account doing healing will make you far more efficient as well. Eve has group content, not solo content, and multiple accounts are an offshoot of that. Would you rather everything be solo oriented and therefore an unchallenging borefest like other MMOs?
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:58:00 - [10] what's this be needing multiple accounts? I've been playing this game for 7 years with a single character in a single account without ever needing a second account. oh wait, you mean friends and buddies. well yes I have those. wait you don't? poor you, you better get some. afterall this is a Massive Multiplayer Online Game and not a Massive Singleplayer Online Game, right? right??

K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2011.02.01 20:16:00 - [11] One account, three characters. I find plenty to do, could care less about cap ships, cynos, and whiners. OP, I find it amazing you can post while sucking your thumb.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.01 20:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Ok time to break this troll with Fan boi elite. #1 I am a proud capital ship pilot. I can fly where ever I want. See I have this thing called a corporation and this other thing called an alliance and finally I have these things called friends. See if i need to move my little old carrier I ask them nicely to give me a cyno and they do it. In return I sometimes give them isk or haul stuff for them in my carrier. And you do not need an alt to hold your capital ship for you. If you can fly a titan or a mothership, that means you have isk and that also means you have the isk to drop a tower with a capital ship hanger which you can dock it in. Just remember to put a password on it. Soo.......... I have countered your rant with logic. Now i would suggest you follow my advice and make friends so you dont need your second account.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Feligast Irony: Poasting a rant about needing multiple accounts from an alt. As they used to say, g ****in g.
Solar Blade	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:14:00 - [14] to speak with the (allmost) exact words of the great stoic the vast: I would tie him to a mast and ship him off, for fear hes gone mad
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:31:00 - [15] I know people who play for free with 9 accounts. Originally by: Infinity Ziona Your avatar makes me want to follow you to a rural farmstead, give you all my worldly goods and call you The Aiwha.
Skylitsa	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Aiwha I know people who play for free with 9 accounts. I'll have my life, thank you. This beauty was meant to be shared with RL people afterall!
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment.	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Tbh, if your really wanting to be on a single account, you could just instead of an alt get some friends
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:44:00 - [18] You pay with RL cash ? lol
CraigGamerPsycho	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. OP probably is socially challenged and ended up creating a corp full of alts to keep him company ... On that note, like someone already mentioned the game is designed for you to play with others. Its not mandatory to have multiple accounts to have success.
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec	Posted - 2011.02.02 00:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Brian Ballsack You pay with RL cash ? lol hahahahaahhahaha BINGO

Heathrow	Posted - 2011.02.02 00:48:00 - [21] Leaving aside the fact that you can always pay for accounts with PLEX (which gets easier the more accounts you have curiously). The game wasn't designed for players to have multiple accounts, rather it was designed for you to have to depend on other players to accomplish certain (read almost all) tasks. That's really good design for an EM EM OH, y'know a massive multiplayer game. My theory is that it's the antisocial nature of part of the player base that popularized multiple accounts allowing a single person to accomplish what they would normally be unable too.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:23:00 - [22] I only have one account and have never felt the need for another one in the three years I've been playing. If I ever got a capital ship, I'd be in a corp and/or alliance, and I'd get other people to set up cyno fields for me. After all, capital ships are fleet support ships, so if you can't find someone to provide a cyno, you're doing it wrong. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:51:00 - [23] First...you don't need a cyno alt. Its a convenience, you can hope you can get a cyno for every jump. Free tip, ask around for a cyno. People like me gladly will fly a cyno kestrel a few systems out for a cap pilot....if you are willing to make room in your carrier runs for me. Give up some space on your empire run for free (I'll move my own crap from chamemi like places if need be even...jsut get my crap to a low sec system next to empire and I am happy), get a cyno on demand. Win win for all. don't like the deal...beyong a station cyno which is easy enough and a fleet I'll broadcast to all corp mates who need it be extra nice....you will pretty much be SOL in the future unless you change your ways lol. Second, in a carrier...plexing 1 if not 2 accounts should not be an issue. Carriers make close to 100 mil an our if the sanctum and haven ho'ing done right. 4 days of 2 hours of this...plex money had. Rest of the month is pure profit for you. The lowly bs and bc pilots belt ratting are not shedding tears for you. They make way less than you.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug).
Joe Forum Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug). reskinning existing content is not an expansion relabelling the rifter as an 'epic rifter' and giving it some more dps is not exactly giving anyone anything new. PI alone is more 'expansion' than most mmos have made in the last ten years
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Quemist The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. Nah, you can play Eve fine on one account. The way I'd do it starting over: - Pick a race (Caldari or Minmatar most likely, but Amarr isn't bad either) - Do the tutorials (pretty damn good ISK/hr for a noob account) - Train up the T1 cruiser and do some L1s, L2s, and do some PVP in frigates - Join a **ing corp - Train up basic marketing skills until you get Day Trading and Margin Trading. Play the market by buying low, selling high while running your missions. - Train up the racial T1 industrial to 3 or 4 (depending on race). Regional triage can be some nice ISK at this stage in the game.... hell at any stage in the game! - Train up the T1 BC and continue gaining ISK. You'll have a few bil fairly shortly. - Buy a freighter+industry alt off the character bazaar (Mining is unimportant to you) - Take a couple weeks and make sure that your indy alt has solid market skills, and get his standings up with the faction+corp he's gonna be trading out of. I recommend the FW for the faction standings and AFK courier missions for the corp standings. Also consider using a standings service if you're realling feeling flush with ISK. - Buy some profitable researched BPOs (POS logistics = Teh Suck) - Buy **** tons of minerals and transport it with your freighter. Get as many production slots going as you can without sucking your time away from doing what you like to do in Eve (whatever that is). - Continue training for whatever your heart desires. I'd personally aim for a solid BC and double back for good supports and T2 frigs. - If at some point you want to get into caps, you can either buy a second account from the character bazaar or train it yourself. Training it yourself is a long, long time away. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:28:00 - [27] cost is not the problem, its the immersion breaking aspects of running around with multiple characters. And CCP does specifically design things in a way that multiple accounts are encouraged, its not simply 'they want people to team up and so multiple accounts can help someone solo'. Things like leadership buffs not working while solo, encouraging people to make an alt that just sits there in the fleet, are blatant attempts to get people to run multiple accounts.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Vabjekf cost is not the problem, its the immersion breaking aspects of running around with multiple characters. And CCP does specifically design things in a way that multiple accounts are encouraged, its not simply 'they want people to team up and so multiple accounts can help someone solo'. Things like leadership buffs not working while solo, encouraging people to make an alt that just sits there in the fleet, are blatant attempts to get people to run multiple accounts. herp derp get a friend to sit there afk herp derp I've got 100 friends lined up asking me if I want them to afk boost me ALL THE TIME!
Cambarus Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Cambarus on 02/02/2011 07:40:20 Originally by: Joe Forum Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug). reskinning existing content is not an expansion relabelling the rifter as an 'epic rifter' and giving it some more dps is not exactly giving anyone anything new. PI alone is more 'expansion' than most mmos have made in the last ten years When you mention reskinning the rifter, are you referring to the jaguar or the wolf?
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:44:00 - [30] ITT: Players with real life 3 charisma who can't even make internats friends to do the mundane things like popping a travel cyno or chipping in a bit extra to the guy with the jump freighter to buy and haul all the stuff you need out in nullsec to survive. Or just help out on a general day to day basis. FFS guys take a class in social interaction. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.



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