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Cygnus Zhada	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:46:00 - [31] The OP confuses "must have zillions of alts" with "this is a teamwork game". Nice trolling too. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Vabjekf on 02/02/2011 07:50:36 Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Vabjekf I've got 100 friends lined up asking me if I want them to afk boost me ALL THE TIME! AFK buff bot is not a valid role in any well designed game.
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:51:00 - [33] Capital pilot without any cyno alt signing in. Also, multiboxing has always been way more efficient in almost any MMO. If only to level 2 characters at the same time (or use your main to powerlevel an alt) _ Ore Table \| PI Profits
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:12:00 - [34] 1 account for me since 2007. never felt the need for 2 and I don't think I'll ever get another. I can see why people get other accounts but you get the same game experience with one.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:19:00 - [35] Originally by: knobber Jobbler I can see why people get other accounts but you get the same game experience with one. 1 account jump in gate get owned by a blob 2 accounts jump in gate with a scout get noob ship blown up Same experience indeed.
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Freyya on 02/02/2011 08:51:46 Originally by: Grimpak what's this be needing multiple accounts? I've been playing this game for 7 years with a single character in a single account without ever needing a second account. oh wait, you mean friends and buddies. well yes I have those. wait you don't? poor you, you better get some. afterall this is a Massive Multiplayer Online Game and not a Massive Singleplayer Online Game, right? right?? Well i'd say it's more like Multiple Me Online Roleplaying Player Groups but mehh, Tough luck i guess.... Also single account since conception btw. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth Pink is the color of passion xxx Shadow
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:11:00 - [37] Only 2 accounts ? Why do you confine yourself to only two ? There are things still out there where quantity trumps quality. R&D agents, PI stuff, mining to some degree. Go for it. If you play smart the additoonal accounts can be self sufficent through PLEX and you are free to play the eve for only 15 per month.
Jennifer Starling State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:46:00 - [38] Well in a way I have to agree with the OP. The slow skilltraining combined with the remap mechanism and inability to train more than 1 character more or less forces you to get more accounts unless you have 4 years to spare. That is if you want to see all the possible careers EVE has to offer. Also the slow travelling speed makes it very hard to help out someone that's not a few systems away (if the right people are on-line and not busy with other things at all) so I'm not at all surprised people get cyno alts on other accounts for that. What the 'expansions' are concerned I also agree that I'd rather pay an extra $50 a year to get more and better content. Incursions = automated 'live events' and a portrait remake. And before we had the PI clickfest as the main "new attraction"? I understand things like Incarna require a major effort but if I could get more and better and excellent content for a bit more money instead of what we get now I'd rather had that then expansions "at no additional cost".
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. snip Insults removed. Spitfire I hope you are trolling. Else its just epic fail from you. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
The Snowman Gallente The Ascension	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:04:00 - [40] But isnt Eve also the ONLY MMO out there where you can pay for your full subscription using in-game money? You claim to have a cap ship.. and yet your giving us all a colorful and entertaining display of ignorance, so I'm guessing you've only just started playing and bought someones account? amirite?

Warzon3 Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. snip Insults removed. Spitfire Let's see: 1. I got one and only one account. Check 2. I got a capital ships. Check 3. I got friends who can light cyno's for me. Check From these 3 points I hereby declare your whine invalid. Have a nice day ---- Dear Noah, We could have sworn you said the ark wasn't leaving till 5. Sincerely, Unicorns.
zean xulunta Minmatar The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:43:00 - [42] i have only one account and only have had one account since 08 and ive been doing just fine :D "The Die are cast"
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:50:00 - [43] Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's
Warzon3 Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's NOES don't please don't let my CEO know I'm a spai -_-' is it so hard to believe some people really can get along with just 1 account? ---- Dear Noah, We could have sworn you said the ark wasn't leaving till 5. Sincerely, Unicorns.
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Warzon3 Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's NOES don't please don't let my CEO know I'm a spai -_-' is it so hard to believe some people really can get along with just 1 account? I would pack up your stuff and seek asylum ASAP.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:25:00 - [46] I created a second account a while back. Was going to use him for various nefarious activities. Now two months later, I have nice little pew pew'er - that I hardly ever log on. Truth be told, there are very few situations in Eve where you really benefit from having a second account, compared to having awesome corp-mates and blues. I prefer having awesome corp-mates and blues. Will most likely unsub the second account soon. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Aidin Amado Department of Defence	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:29:00 - [47] I have two chars: one to blow things up with, and the other to build things to get blown up. Since I skilled them in different branches almost concurrently both are nice for their niches.
Nishachara Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:10:00 - [48] Every account more you "need" to have for something... is one friend less you could/should have to help you with that job... ...
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:04:00 - [49] Edited by: DuKackBoon on 02/02/2011 13:04:51 Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's I only have one (active) account. Therefore you are wrong
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Quemist The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. I agree. Living in 0.0 is pretty much impossible or extremely tedious without at least 1 if not 2 extra accounts. I personally have 3 and find myself in many situations where I wouldn't mind having a fourth and fifth account. So even if it's theoretically possible to survive with just one account anyone who wants to play competitively and with some degree of comfort is required to double or tipple their subscription fees. I'm currently paying about 500$ a year for EVE - for that price I'd damn well hope those expansions are "free". ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.

Raverist	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:39:00 - [51] I currently run 4 accounts, and I actually pay only one with RL money, just because I feel that's somewhat necessary. Makes me feel like I'm also contributing (Even if this is a hoax, PLEXes are bought for RL cash aswell so basically CCP gets the money even without me paying it in RL money) I live in W-space, meaning there is a lot of stuff to do. For instance, I happen to get an empty C2 or C3 with a ****ton of Ladar and combat sites... Great! I have 2 chars doing the ladars, 1 doing the hauling, 1 doing the combat sites. Within 3 hours, I have earned over 400M isk! Do this three or four days and the rest of the month is profit. You could say that alts are necessary to a certain point, but it is very much not necessary to fund these with RL currency..
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Quemist It's unfair I have no friends Get over it, stop solo playing. You know these incursion thingys.... you're going to be disapointed when you can't do it in your officer fit faction bs.
Fractal Muse	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:02:00 - [53] Good troll! But, if the OP wasn't trolling and is quitting, can I haz your stuff? As for the expansion thing, EVE's expansions are expansions that are comparable to many of the MMOs out there. New ships are like new classes. New incursions, worm holes, epic arcs, are like new instances and new raid zones. I don't agree that you -need- to have multiple accounts in EVE. But, having written that, I have two accounts that I maintain. Why? I'm not really sure but it's the in thing to do I suppose. I have a large ship character and a small ship / support character.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:08:00 - [54] I trained an indy character to explore that part of the game and to make money and be more self-sufficient, but I'm transferring her to my main account. Actually I find having 2 accounts for a game quite ridiculous. The thing of course is unlike in EVE, in most games it's not much use multiboxing as gameplay is far too fast for that. "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Cyprus Black Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:17:00 - [55] I wondered how many alts the OP was using to agree with himself, but then I thought "perhaps he's using a second account to do that".
Mina Banestar	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:34:00 - [56] Single account user checking in. I do have 2 untrained alts on this account plus my main but 1 is an emergency hauler for stuff that cant wait for a corp supply run (which is ****ing rare since most of the time i can just borrow what i need from someone else in the corp, see again with the having friends thing) and 1 i made to win a bet that i couldnt make a character with that name so is pretty much unused now.
Salliene Gallente Paktu Sjet Armada Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Quemist So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. People pay real money to play EVE? Maybe plexes should be in the tutorial.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Mina Banestar Single account user checking in. I do have 2 untrained alts on this account plus my main but 1 is an emergency hauler for stuff that cant wait for a corp supply run (which is ****ing rare since most of the time i can just borrow what i need from someone else in the corp, see again with the having friends thing) and 1 i made to win a bet that i couldnt make a character with that name so is pretty much unused now. Doh, stupid forum put my post on the wrong character, should have been this guy . http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:38:00 - [59] Oh look. It's this thread again. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Malcanis Oh look. It's this thread again. OMG there's steam coming out of his head!! "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"



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