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Quemist	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:20:00 - [1] I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys.
Captain Die Suicide by Cop	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Quemist So stfu and die fan boys. NO U!
ARES XII	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:33:00 - [3] I think he mad.
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:36:00 - [4] No. To play this game at the 'most efficient' route you 'have' to have multiple accounts - but I am fairly certain CCP designed it so that you'd rely on your fellow capsuleers in corp/alliance/friends to light the cyno for you. They didn't mean for every man and his dog to have a capital ship on three accounts, they were meant to be big investments at a corp/alliance level.
Ayaska Shran	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Your complaint as been voiced many times, on every single MMO ever made. And it is just as pointless as all those other times. So listen up Troll. #1 Most MMO's are designed so people play together #2 PLayers that are paired up or teamed into larger groups typically have an advantage over smaller groups or individuals #3 The developers have no way of knowing if a single player gets multiple accounts #4 The developer has no incentive for caring if a single player gets multiple accounts #5 Therefore a player can gain an advantage by playing multiple accounts It doesn't matter if you like it, or approve of it, or just feel like being whiny. People play multiple accounts. In every game where it is possible. Why? #1 It gives them an advantage #2 It is not against the rules #3 If it is against the rules for a particular game then that rule must be enforceable #4 In most MMO and online games such a rule is NOT enforceable Why are you complaining about TWO accounts? You know people get 3, 4, 10 accounts on these kinds of games. Should people with two accounts be complaining that people with three accounts have an advantage over them. No, because its pointless. TL;DR Get over it, go get a second account.
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:41:00 - [6] Irony: Poasting a rant about needing multiple accounts from an alt.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Quemist So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. I would say there are 2 groups of people, 1 is those who already know that and 2 who doesn't know and will deny it no matter what(raging fanboys). There are many ways to make players only use 1 account: 1. Make game more interactive so that managing 4 accounts at the same time will be too difficult. 2. Make stuff easier to do with only 1 account. Or do nothing and swim in gold like scrouge mcduck There is a new mmo called RIFT coming out soon, I'd recommend to try it
Mina Hiragi Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:53:00 - [8] picks up phone, punches in three numbers "HELLO? OH GOD, PLEASE HELP, I NEED A WHAAAAMBULANCE OVER HERE ASAP!" Don't worry, Quemist, everything's going to be okay.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:54:00 - [9] Eve is heavily designed for team play. If you want to go and construe that to mean you need more than one account so that you can continue to play solo, be my guest. Of course multiple accounts is an advantage, as in any MMO. In a typical fantasy MMO, a second account doing healing will make you far more efficient as well. Eve has group content, not solo content, and multiple accounts are an offshoot of that. Would you rather everything be solo oriented and therefore an unchallenging borefest like other MMOs?
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.02.01 19:58:00 - [10] what's this be needing multiple accounts? I've been playing this game for 7 years with a single character in a single account without ever needing a second account. oh wait, you mean friends and buddies. well yes I have those. wait you don't? poor you, you better get some. afterall this is a Massive Multiplayer Online Game and not a Massive Singleplayer Online Game, right? right??
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2011.02.01 20:16:00 - [11] One account, three characters. I find plenty to do, could care less about cap ships, cynos, and whiners. OP, I find it amazing you can post while sucking your thumb.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.02.01 20:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Ok time to break this troll with Fan boi elite. #1 I am a proud capital ship pilot. I can fly where ever I want. See I have this thing called a corporation and this other thing called an alliance and finally I have these things called friends. See if i need to move my little old carrier I ask them nicely to give me a cyno and they do it. In return I sometimes give them isk or haul stuff for them in my carrier. And you do not need an alt to hold your capital ship for you. If you can fly a titan or a mothership, that means you have isk and that also means you have the isk to drop a tower with a capital ship hanger which you can dock it in. Just remember to put a password on it. Soo.......... I have countered your rant with logic. Now i would suggest you follow my advice and make friends so you dont need your second account.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Feligast Irony: Poasting a rant about needing multiple accounts from an alt. As they used to say, g ****in g.
Solar Blade	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:14:00 - [14] to speak with the (allmost) exact words of the great stoic the vast: I would tie him to a mast and ship him off, for fear hes gone mad
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:31:00 - [15] I know people who play for free with 9 accounts. Originally by: Infinity Ziona Your avatar makes me want to follow you to a rural farmstead, give you all my worldly goods and call you The Aiwha.
Skylitsa	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Aiwha I know people who play for free with 9 accounts. I'll have my life, thank you. This beauty was meant to be shared with RL people afterall!
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment.	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. Tbh, if your really wanting to be on a single account, you could just instead of an alt get some friends
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:44:00 - [18] You pay with RL cash ? lol
CraigGamerPsycho	Posted - 2011.02.01 23:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. So stfu and die fan boys. OP probably is socially challenged and ended up creating a corp full of alts to keep him company ... On that note, like someone already mentioned the game is designed for you to play with others. Its not mandatory to have multiple accounts to have success.
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec	Posted - 2011.02.02 00:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Brian Ballsack You pay with RL cash ? lol hahahahaahhahaha BINGO
Heathrow	Posted - 2011.02.02 00:48:00 - [21] Leaving aside the fact that you can always pay for accounts with PLEX (which gets easier the more accounts you have curiously). The game wasn't designed for players to have multiple accounts, rather it was designed for you to have to depend on other players to accomplish certain (read almost all) tasks. That's really good design for an EM EM OH, y'know a massive multiplayer game. My theory is that it's the antisocial nature of part of the player base that popularized multiple accounts allowing a single person to accomplish what they would normally be unable too.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:23:00 - [22] I only have one account and have never felt the need for another one in the three years I've been playing. If I ever got a capital ship, I'd be in a corp and/or alliance, and I'd get other people to set up cyno fields for me. After all, capital ships are fleet support ships, so if you can't find someone to provide a cyno, you're doing it wrong. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.02.02 02:51:00 - [23] First...you don't need a cyno alt. Its a convenience, you can hope you can get a cyno for every jump. Free tip, ask around for a cyno. People like me gladly will fly a cyno kestrel a few systems out for a cap pilot....if you are willing to make room in your carrier runs for me. Give up some space on your empire run for free (I'll move my own crap from chamemi like places if need be even...jsut get my crap to a low sec system next to empire and I am happy), get a cyno on demand. Win win for all. don't like the deal...beyong a station cyno which is easy enough and a fleet I'll broadcast to all corp mates who need it be extra nice....you will pretty much be SOL in the future unless you change your ways lol. Second, in a carrier...plexing 1 if not 2 accounts should not be an issue. Carriers make close to 100 mil an our if the sanctum and haven ho'ing done right. 4 days of 2 hours of this...plex money had. Rest of the month is pure profit for you. The lowly bs and bc pilots belt ratting are not shedding tears for you. They make way less than you.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug).
Joe Forum Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.02 06:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug). reskinning existing content is not an expansion relabelling the rifter as an 'epic rifter' and giving it some more dps is not exactly giving anyone anything new. PI alone is more 'expansion' than most mmos have made in the last ten years
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Quemist The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. Nah, you can play Eve fine on one account. The way I'd do it starting over: - Pick a race (Caldari or Minmatar most likely, but Amarr isn't bad either) - Do the tutorials (pretty damn good ISK/hr for a noob account) - Train up the T1 cruiser and do some L1s, L2s, and do some PVP in frigates - Join a **ing corp - Train up basic marketing skills until you get Day Trading and Margin Trading. Play the market by buying low, selling high while running your missions. - Train up the racial T1 industrial to 3 or 4 (depending on race). Regional triage can be some nice ISK at this stage in the game.... hell at any stage in the game! - Train up the T1 BC and continue gaining ISK. You'll have a few bil fairly shortly. - Buy a freighter+industry alt off the character bazaar (Mining is unimportant to you) - Take a couple weeks and make sure that your indy alt has solid market skills, and get his standings up with the faction+corp he's gonna be trading out of. I recommend the FW for the faction standings and AFK courier missions for the corp standings. Also consider using a standings service if you're realling feeling flush with ISK. - Buy some profitable researched BPOs (POS logistics = Teh Suck) - Buy **** tons of minerals and transport it with your freighter. Get as many production slots going as you can without sucking your time away from doing what you like to do in Eve (whatever that is). - Continue training for whatever your heart desires. I'd personally aim for a solid BC and double back for good supports and T2 frigs. - If at some point you want to get into caps, you can either buy a second account from the character bazaar or train it yourself. Training it yourself is a long, long time away. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:28:00 - [27] cost is not the problem, its the immersion breaking aspects of running around with multiple characters. And CCP does specifically design things in a way that multiple accounts are encouraged, its not simply 'they want people to team up and so multiple accounts can help someone solo'. Things like leadership buffs not working while solo, encouraging people to make an alt that just sits there in the fleet, are blatant attempts to get people to run multiple accounts.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Vabjekf cost is not the problem, its the immersion breaking aspects of running around with multiple characters. And CCP does specifically design things in a way that multiple accounts are encouraged, its not simply 'they want people to team up and so multiple accounts can help someone solo'. Things like leadership buffs not working while solo, encouraging people to make an alt that just sits there in the fleet, are blatant attempts to get people to run multiple accounts. herp derp get a friend to sit there afk herp derp I've got 100 friends lined up asking me if I want them to afk boost me ALL THE TIME!
Cambarus Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Cambarus on 02/02/2011 07:40:20 Originally by: Joe Forum Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Heathrow I don't know how you can complain about x pack content, CCP release two expansions a year whereas WoW (and I assume you are comparing EVE to WoW since everyone compares everything to WoW, and there should probably be some sort of Godwinian law with regards to comparing MMOs to the MMO market leader) are lucky if they release one every two years. Ignoring wow's minor content patches (which are easily ignorable when they're as bathetic as the last two of WotLK) there's no way you could compare the amount of content per dollar you get from EVE. Eve expansions are bringing less content than wow major patches(which come out every 3 month or so). FYI Not to mention that fixing bugs in wow doesn't take years(kinda like having lvl5missions in high sec was a bug). reskinning existing content is not an expansion relabelling the rifter as an 'epic rifter' and giving it some more dps is not exactly giving anyone anything new. PI alone is more 'expansion' than most mmos have made in the last ten years When you mention reskinning the rifter, are you referring to the jaguar or the wolf?
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:44:00 - [30] ITT: Players with real life 3 charisma who can't even make internats friends to do the mundane things like popping a travel cyno or chipping in a bit extra to the guy with the jump freighter to buy and haul all the stuff you need out in nullsec to survive. Or just help out on a general day to day basis. FFS guys take a class in social interaction. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Cygnus Zhada	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:46:00 - [31] The OP confuses "must have zillions of alts" with "this is a teamwork game". Nice trolling too. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:50:00 - [32] Edited by: Vabjekf on 02/02/2011 07:50:36 Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Vabjekf I've got 100 friends lined up asking me if I want them to afk boost me ALL THE TIME! AFK buff bot is not a valid role in any well designed game.
Nikolai Kondratiev Sphere Design Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.02 07:51:00 - [33] Capital pilot without any cyno alt signing in. Also, multiboxing has always been way more efficient in almost any MMO. If only to level 2 characters at the same time (or use your main to powerlevel an alt) _ Ore Table \| PI Profits
knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:12:00 - [34] 1 account for me since 2007. never felt the need for 2 and I don't think I'll ever get another. I can see why people get other accounts but you get the same game experience with one.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:19:00 - [35] Originally by: knobber Jobbler I can see why people get other accounts but you get the same game experience with one. 1 account jump in gate get owned by a blob 2 accounts jump in gate with a scout get noob ship blown up Same experience indeed.
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.02.02 08:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Freyya on 02/02/2011 08:51:46 Originally by: Grimpak what's this be needing multiple accounts? I've been playing this game for 7 years with a single character in a single account without ever needing a second account. oh wait, you mean friends and buddies. well yes I have those. wait you don't? poor you, you better get some. afterall this is a Massive Multiplayer Online Game and not a Massive Singleplayer Online Game, right? right?? Well i'd say it's more like Multiple Me Online Roleplaying Player Groups but mehh, Tough luck i guess.... Also single account since conception btw. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth Pink is the color of passion xxx Shadow
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:11:00 - [37] Only 2 accounts ? Why do you confine yourself to only two ? There are things still out there where quantity trumps quality. R&D agents, PI stuff, mining to some degree. Go for it. If you play smart the additoonal accounts can be self sufficent through PLEX and you are free to play the eve for only 15 per month.
Jennifer Starling State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:46:00 - [38] Well in a way I have to agree with the OP. The slow skilltraining combined with the remap mechanism and inability to train more than 1 character more or less forces you to get more accounts unless you have 4 years to spare. That is if you want to see all the possible careers EVE has to offer. Also the slow travelling speed makes it very hard to help out someone that's not a few systems away (if the right people are on-line and not busy with other things at all) so I'm not at all surprised people get cyno alts on other accounts for that. What the 'expansions' are concerned I also agree that I'd rather pay an extra $50 a year to get more and better content. Incursions = automated 'live events' and a portrait remake. And before we had the PI clickfest as the main "new attraction"? I understand things like Incarna require a major effort but if I could get more and better and excellent content for a bit more money instead of what we get now I'd rather had that then expansions "at no additional cost".
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.02.02 09:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. snip Insults removed. Spitfire I hope you are trolling. Else its just epic fail from you. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
The Snowman Gallente The Ascension	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:04:00 - [40] But isnt Eve also the ONLY MMO out there where you can pay for your full subscription using in-game money? You claim to have a cap ship.. and yet your giving us all a colorful and entertaining display of ignorance, so I'm guessing you've only just started playing and bought someones account? amirite?
Warzon3 Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Quemist I hear 'free expansions bandied about all over the place and that other games charge you 30 dollars or so for one. As an excuse as to why EVE 'expansions' are absolute **** and really aren't expansions at all just patches. Primarily focusing on EVE is the cheaper game to play ect. look at all we get for the low price of 15$! No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. CCP designed it this way. And people who don't have caps still hugely benifi for second accounts by design. Pirates, need haulers. High sec war decers need neutral reps, on and on. The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. snip Insults removed. Spitfire Let's see: 1. I got one and only one account. Check 2. I got a capital ships. Check 3. I got friends who can light cyno's for me. Check From these 3 points I hereby declare your whine invalid. Have a nice day ---- Dear Noah, We could have sworn you said the ark wasn't leaving till 5. Sincerely, Unicorns.
zean xulunta Minmatar The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:43:00 - [42] i have only one account and only have had one account since 08 and ive been doing just fine :D "The Die are cast"
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:50:00 - [43] Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's
Warzon3 Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's NOES don't please don't let my CEO know I'm a spai -_-' is it so hard to believe some people really can get along with just 1 account? ---- Dear Noah, We could have sworn you said the ark wasn't leaving till 5. Sincerely, Unicorns.
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Warzon3 Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's NOES don't please don't let my CEO know I'm a spai -_-' is it so hard to believe some people really can get along with just 1 account? I would pack up your stuff and seek asylum ASAP.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:25:00 - [46] I created a second account a while back. Was going to use him for various nefarious activities. Now two months later, I have nice little pew pew'er - that I hardly ever log on. Truth be told, there are very few situations in Eve where you really benefit from having a second account, compared to having awesome corp-mates and blues. I prefer having awesome corp-mates and blues. Will most likely unsub the second account soon. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Aidin Amado Department of Defence	Posted - 2011.02.02 11:29:00 - [47] I have two chars: one to blow things up with, and the other to build things to get blown up. Since I skilled them in different branches almost concurrently both are nice for their niches.
Nishachara Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:10:00 - [48] Every account more you "need" to have for something... is one friend less you could/should have to help you with that job... ...
DuKackBoon	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:04:00 - [49] Edited by: DuKackBoon on 02/02/2011 13:04:51 Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch Everyone in this thread claiming to have one account are either lieing or worse. If it's their main they posted with , it's because theyre spies. They have lied to their corp about only having 1 account so they can run on a different character and are putting up a false front on the forums and I'm notifying their CEO's I only have one (active) account. Therefore you are wrong
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Quemist The point being to play this game at an even level you have to give into CCP's design and have at least 2 accounts. So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. I agree. Living in 0.0 is pretty much impossible or extremely tedious without at least 1 if not 2 extra accounts. I personally have 3 and find myself in many situations where I wouldn't mind having a fourth and fifth account. So even if it's theoretically possible to survive with just one account anyone who wants to play competitively and with some degree of comfort is required to double or tipple their subscription fees. I'm currently paying about 500$ a year for EVE - for that price I'd damn well hope those expansions are "free". ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Raverist	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:39:00 - [51] I currently run 4 accounts, and I actually pay only one with RL money, just because I feel that's somewhat necessary. Makes me feel like I'm also contributing (Even if this is a hoax, PLEXes are bought for RL cash aswell so basically CCP gets the money even without me paying it in RL money) I live in W-space, meaning there is a lot of stuff to do. For instance, I happen to get an empty C2 or C3 with a ****ton of Ladar and combat sites... Great! I have 2 chars doing the ladars, 1 doing the hauling, 1 doing the combat sites. Within 3 hours, I have earned over 400M isk! Do this three or four days and the rest of the month is profit. You could say that alts are necessary to a certain point, but it is very much not necessary to fund these with RL currency..
Eastman Color	Posted - 2011.02.02 13:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Quemist It's unfair I have no friends Get over it, stop solo playing. You know these incursion thingys.... you're going to be disapointed when you can't do it in your officer fit faction bs.
Fractal Muse	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:02:00 - [53] Good troll! But, if the OP wasn't trolling and is quitting, can I haz your stuff? As for the expansion thing, EVE's expansions are expansions that are comparable to many of the MMOs out there. New ships are like new classes. New incursions, worm holes, epic arcs, are like new instances and new raid zones. I don't agree that you -need- to have multiple accounts in EVE. But, having written that, I have two accounts that I maintain. Why? I'm not really sure but it's the in thing to do I suppose. I have a large ship character and a small ship / support character.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:08:00 - [54] I trained an indy character to explore that part of the game and to make money and be more self-sufficient, but I'm transferring her to my main account. Actually I find having 2 accounts for a game quite ridiculous. The thing of course is unlike in EVE, in most games it's not much use multiboxing as gameplay is far too fast for that. "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Cyprus Black Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:17:00 - [55] I wondered how many alts the OP was using to agree with himself, but then I thought "perhaps he's using a second account to do that".
Mina Banestar	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:34:00 - [56] Single account user checking in. I do have 2 untrained alts on this account plus my main but 1 is an emergency hauler for stuff that cant wait for a corp supply run (which is ****ing rare since most of the time i can just borrow what i need from someone else in the corp, see again with the having friends thing) and 1 i made to win a bet that i couldnt make a character with that name so is pretty much unused now.
Salliene Gallente Paktu Sjet Armada Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Quemist So you're paying 30$ a month. This actually works out to more that if you were playing a game with actual expansions which didn't require you to have 2 or more accounts. People pay real money to play EVE? Maybe plexes should be in the tutorial.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Mina Banestar Single account user checking in. I do have 2 untrained alts on this account plus my main but 1 is an emergency hauler for stuff that cant wait for a corp supply run (which is ****ing rare since most of the time i can just borrow what i need from someone else in the corp, see again with the having friends thing) and 1 i made to win a bet that i couldnt make a character with that name so is pretty much unused now. Doh, stupid forum put my post on the wrong character, should have been this guy . http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:38:00 - [59] Oh look. It's this thread again. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Malcanis Oh look. It's this thread again. OMG there's steam coming out of his head!! "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.02 14:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Malcanis Oh look. It's this thread again. Its like playing whack-a-mole only the target is undiluted stupid rather than a plastic rodent. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Chandaris Gallente Lethal Devotion	Posted - 2011.02.02 15:10:00 - [62] To play this game effectively as an industrialist / cap ship pilot you just need to join a decent corp/alliance and get others to haul or cyno for you. or you can CHOOSE to do pay for a second account. nobody is holding a gun to your head. and obviously players with two accounts have an advantage over players with one.. way to point out the obvious like there is something wrong with it? Join a good corp if you're having trouble making iskies solo; it is that easy.
Liorah	Posted - 2011.02.02 15:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Jennifer Starling What the 'expansions' are concerned I also agree that I'd rather pay an extra $50 a year to get more and better content. Incursions = automated 'live events' and a portrait remake. And before we had the PI clickfest as the main "new attraction"? I understand things like Incarna require a major effort but if I could get more and better and excellent content for a bit more money instead of what we get now I'd rather had that then expansions "at no additional cost". Incarna is a completely different play style than the rest of the game. Depending on how much of that they force down our throats, we will all more or less be impacted by it. Just look at how they're pushing everything over to the Eve-Gate to foce people to use it, when previously no one gave it the time of day. Incarna changes the way the game is played. They still have a lot of work to do to fix the game the way it's intended to be played now before they start changing gameplay altogether. I would much rather them fix the current game before adding new bits, especially changing something broken and/or incomplete into something NEW, broken and incomplete. Someone else made the comparison between Eve's "Expansions" and wow's "Content Patches", and it's a very valid one. Usually, Wow's content patches are predictable and contrived, but they add genuinely new content to the game. They're about as buggy as the Eve patches, though lately Eve has taken a turn for the worse. Wow's expansions are vast and rather impressive, even for someone who doesn't like Blizzard. There's no way I'd pay for an Eve "expansion" until they start comparing in quality and content to actual real expansions released by other games. But to the main topic ... I have two accounts, because I wanted to do combat and I wanted to have an industrial character. Since I started so late compared to everyone else in this thread, I knew that either I ponied up the extra money for another account to do the variety of things everyone else could do with one account, or I just learn to do without and wait for the 2-3 years it would take to do multiple things on one character. The idea of paying via PLEX made the decision easier. One of Eve's unique aspects, time-based skill learning system, is also a barrier to entry for new players compared to older players.
TuHellen Back	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:16:00 - [64] If the OP's theory that each account costs $15 per month, with 5 accounts I should be paying $75. What hes seems to forget is that by running 4 of the 5 simultaneously, either mining, missioning and salvaging. Running PI, manufacturing or just accumulating datacores, the purchase of 5 plexes per month is chicken feed. It equates to 11 mill ISK per toon per day.
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:25:00 - [65] Edited by: Miss Connolly on 02/02/2011 16:26:48 Originally by: Liorah Someone else made the comparison between Eve's "Expansions" and wow's "Content Patches", and it's a very valid one. Usually, Wow's content patches are predictable and contrived, but they add genuinely new content to the game. They're about as buggy as the Eve patches, though lately Eve has taken a turn for the worse. Wow's expansions are vast and rather impressive, even for someone who doesn't like Blizzard. Not that I'm any big fan of Blizzard/Vivendi or anything but one thing that they really do well is their patch process and bug fixing. In EVE we had features that were literally broken for years (drones not returning, desync issues, ships being 10 times faster then light missiles due to imbecilic speed-mod stacking, etc.etc.pp.). Not only technical problems but simply terribad game design that was never tested and never though-through properly. In the case of EVE these issues were fixed within about 3-4 years (and often broken again a patch later). In the case of WOW any such critical bugs would have been fixed within days (if not hot fixed directly without as much as a server restart). If it's a complicated issue to address then they might take a few weeks (e.g. lag problems that require an update of their infrastructure). Bottom line: comparing a "professional" game company like Blizzard that built their products specifically with technical manageability in mind (e.g. building everything up in a modular fashion and using only clearly designed and defined interfaces to interact with the different layers) and comparing a company like CCP (who's flagship product was designed over 10 years ago by students) is simply not a fair comparison. The main difference is this: if a Blizzard game designer thinks "hey wouldn't it be cool if there were no limit on the number of people that can take part in a PVP battle" then that idea will never be implemented because 20 other people will say "forget it! your idea is technically problematic, scales badly if the number of users increases by a factor of 10 and we can't provide a product that is already flawed by design". So the idea dies and you get what WOW is today (a very very limited world compared to EVE but a technically well designed one). In the case of EVE the idea would probably have been implemented because it holds true to CCPs vision of EVE - not matter how technically feasible (or not feasible) it may be. I find both methods of game design have huge advantages and disadvantages. EVE has a vision and holds true to that vision but is technically not very sound. WOW on the other hand is technically wonderful and extremely stable but at the cost of openness and possibilities (both for the players and game designers). I guess it's down to personal taste (and I personally can deal with both sorts of companies even if I tend to find the "by the books" games (e.g. WOW) quite boring and shallow). ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Murev Vorchilde Caldari End Game.	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:28:00 - [66] Why would you ever need more then one account -
TuHellen Back	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:31:00 - [67] Edited by: TuHellen Back on 02/02/2011 16:32:13 Originally by: Murev Vorchilde Why would you ever need more then one account How could anyone only play one account at a time? Travelling anywhere would drive me nuts,and waiting for 30 day skills to finish on one account argh! PLus there is always someone online to talk to.
Thrauskold Dreir	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:33:00 - [68] Edited by: Thrauskold Dreir on 02/02/2011 16:33:38 So, like, we have these Sansha incursions now right. We didn't have them before, right? So... the content of the game has been expanded... so it's an expansion, right? So they aren't just patches... right? Right. And where the **** do these mandatory second accounts come from? I've never had a second account and I still get my free expansions.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.02 16:48:00 - [69] Originally by: Feligast Irony: Poasting a rant about needing multiple accounts from an alt. hehe I was going to say it is ironic to maon about hte need for multiple characters in a MMO instead of flying with a gang. Get some friends? shrug
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Cathy Drall Originally by: Malcanis Oh look. It's this thread again. OMG there's steam coming out of his head!! Steam... yes. That's right, steam. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:12:00 - [71] I refuse to pay for a second account. I just don't think its right one should have to to be competitive in a game. This fact has crippled me in situations where corpies were unavailable to haul/fly an ORCA for me. There's certainly no point in owning an ORCA when you have one account. My corpies headed out to nullsec to enjoy a little of all that brings, so I stayed behind to run a research POS (just don't have physical time to be a nullsec guy and contribute meaningfully to that effort). Now that I'm flying solo, not having multiple accounts kinda hurts. However, it's MY fault things are the way they are. Not buying a second account is entirely my call here. CCP doesn't make any bones about multiple accounts being required or not. Multiple accounts being an advantage in EvE is obvious though, IMO.
Salliene Gallente Paktu Sjet Armada Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Ana Vyr However, it's MY fault things are the way they are. Not buying a second account is entirely my call here. CCP doesn't make any bones about multiple accounts being required or not. Multiple accounts being an advantage in EvE is obvious though, IMO. Having multiple accounts in ANY game is an advantage. Back in the day they used to be forbidden (not by EVE but by other MMOs), but there was no way to police it and the accountants told the game designers to STFU and let people pay more to play more. EVE doesn't require multiple accounts. Do multiple accounts help? Of course. But someone who has 8 hours a day to play has an advantage over someone who has 8 hours a week to play. Should the game be adjusted so that both of them are on equal ground? No.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Salliene Having multiple accounts in ANY game is an advantage. Nope, not really.
Salliene Gallente Paktu Sjet Armada Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Salliene Having multiple accounts in ANY game is an advantage. Nope, not really. Your well reasoned response has completely deflated my point! I bow to your superior debate skills, master.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 18:56:00 - [75] Originally by: Salliene Your well reasoned response has completely deflated my point! I bow to your superior debate skills, master. If you can't realise how artificially blunt this nessesity for alts has been created by ccp then you're beyond redemption.
Cathy Drall Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.02.02 20:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Salliene Having multiple accounts in ANY game is an advantage. Well I have to agree with Archbeholder here: in most games it's no use at all to have two accounts. More characters, yes - but not more accounts. Most games don't have things like semi-afk mining, afk fleet boosting or cynos and gameplay is generally that intensive that operating another character is almost impossible and has limited or no use. "Im not nearly as paranoid as people think I am"
Centri Sixx	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:16:00 - [77] It's not teamwork. Teamwork is good! It's PLEX and alts allowing people to subvert teamwork by running alternate accounts to do many of the functions in the game: -cyno alt -real-time salvaging during a mission -mining support and aditional barges -probe alt -scout alt -rr alt. -hauling alt with good sec status Many letting them break game mechanics by dumping them into an NPC corp to avoid aggression mechanics. This actually works against teamwork by letting people become too self-sufficient, and also lets a supposedly hardcore game promote carebearing by using separate accounts to mitigate risk and speed up isk generation. The best thing to happen to this game would be to limit characters to 1 per account, and remove plex. You'd get rid of most of the botting accounts, add a lot more risk since people could only fulfill one function, add a lot more accountability since you can only get rid of your character by biomassing and starting fresh, and would encourage corp attendance and thereby pvp risk. I don't think it's realistic for it to happen, but the OP has a point.
Rykuss	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:24:00 - [78] Originally by: ARES XII I think he mad. Yep, he mad.
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.02 21:55:00 - [79] Originally by: Centri Sixx It's not teamwork. Teamwork is good! It's PLEX and alts allowing people to subvert teamwork by running alternate accounts to do many of the functions in the game: -cyno alt -real-time salvaging during a mission -mining support and aditional barges -probe alt -scout alt -rr alt. -hauling alt with good sec status Many letting them break game mechanics by dumping them into an NPC corp to avoid aggression mechanics. This actually works against teamwork by letting people become too self-sufficient, and also lets a supposedly hardcore game promote carebearing by using separate accounts to mitigate risk and speed up isk generation. The best thing to happen to this game would be to limit characters to 1 per account, and remove plex. You'd get rid of most of the botting accounts, add a lot more risk since people could only fulfill one function, add a lot more accountability since you can only get rid of your character by biomassing and starting fresh, and would encourage corp attendance and thereby pvp risk. I don't think it's realistic for it to happen, but the OP has a point. Game would have been better if nobody could have any alts at all. One character per account, one account per person. Go back in time and change this and the eve of today would be a paradise with nul sec trade lanes policed by player empires. Probably wouldn't have SCs either, or these horrible sov mechanics. Yep, a paradise.
Space Jew Sandwitch	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:20:00 - [80] If your gringing out 330m ISK to play the game isn't that a lot like having a second job? I mean you could turn tricks behind a mcdonalds much faster and pay 15 bucks
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch If your gringing out 330m ISK to play the game isn't that a lot like having a second job? I mean you could turn tricks behind a mcdonalds much faster and pay 15 bucks You and your common sense don't belong on eve forums! shoo!
Rykuss	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch If your gringing out 330m ISK to play the game isn't that a lot like having a second job? I mean you could turn tricks behind a mcdonalds much faster and pay 15 bucks One billion served?
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.02.02 22:58:00 - [83] Originally by: Archbeholder Originally by: Space Jew Sandwitch If your gringing out 330m ISK to play the game isn't that a lot like having a second job? I mean you could turn tricks behind a mcdonalds much faster and pay 15 bucks You and your common sense don't belong on eve forums! shoo! If accumulating enough isk for a plex is a grind then you are doing it wrong. Not anyones fault but your own if you don't know how to make at least billions of isk off a few days 'work' in eve. Just as an easy example you can setup some pretty maintainance free pi extractors and some research alts just using your alt slots on your account. This can easily get you a plex a month with minimal actual 'work' involved if you take a bit to figure out the best stuff to make and sell. It will definitely get you a plex with a few level 4 missions under your belt so you can use the rest of your isk to play the game instead of 'working' towards your next subsciption fee. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Moostang GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.02 23:40:00 - [84] I have had multiple accounts in damn near every mmo i have ever played. It's just more efficient and in Eve, it is a blast having 5 accounts and making my own mining op, or plex group, or w/e it is i want to do. It is NOT mandatory as you suggest, but it is better, just like in other games.
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.03 09:20:00 - [85] As i said before cost is not the real issue, the issue is that if you become a controller of many characters, you cant immerse yourself in the game world. People with multiple characters are then, obviously, soulless heartless monsters who have no empathy and can not relate to nor care about their characters at all! What terrible people! 'players' hopping from character to character as it suits them. How horrible. Your characters would be better off with out you!
Quemist	Posted - 2011.02.03 11:08:00 - [86] I agree 100% with the immersion breaking aspect of multiple accounts. Responing to everyone else, it is required. You can't always get cyno's and you can't always be that person constantly asking for them. As if it's somehow an easy thing for someone else to move through 0.0 through possible unfriendly territory to light a cyno for you and wait there for 10m to be slaughtered. That's not even starting on all the other almost required uses for alts, ex. scouts and others which people touched on. And to the people saying "you pay to play eve !?! lol" you'll learn the relative value of money and time when you grow up and possibly get a job.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.03 11:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Dr Fighter on 03/02/2011 11:18:05 Edited by: Dr Fighter on 03/02/2011 11:17:33 Originally by: Quemist No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. you really are of very low intelligence to not realise that flying a massive team based ship might require more than one person. If you want to do it all yourself, you would need two accounts yes, or a freind in the MMORPG you are logged into...
Quemist	Posted - 2011.02.03 11:20:00 - [88] Edited by: Quemist on 03/02/2011 11:23:00 Originally by: Dr Fighter Edited by: Dr Fighter on 03/02/2011 11:18:05 Edited by: Dr Fighter on 03/02/2011 11:17:33 Originally by: Quemist No other game pretty much requires you to have multiple accounts. Ever fly a cap ship? A second account is mandatory for cyno's and eventually holders. If you don't have a second account forget about flying caps. you really are of very low intelligence to not realise that flying a massive team based ship might require more than one person. If you want to do it all yourself, you would need two accounts yes, or a freind in the MMORPG you are logged into... I think you're missing the subject of the thread read the title again. I know that flying a cap takes multiple accounts though. edit ponders the possible irony of you being a doctor
Tavin Aikisen Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:01:00 - [89] I don't need multiple accounts because I have multiple friends. Instead of paying the low price of $15, I just buy PLEX. ---- ôRemember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home in peace.ö -Cold Wind
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:10:00 - [90] If you can fund the second or third account with just ISK and you don't really need the ISK anywhere else, go for it. You could have one char being a total pirate with -10 and another scamming away in Jita. And it means you can form your own small gang for PvP if you so desire. Still, it's a lot more fun with friends and like...social interaction. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:23:00 - [91] Although I fly caps myself with only 1 account by just bugging corp or alliance mates until they get so bored of me they make a cyno, i actually kinda agree with OP. Many of the mechanics supposed to make certain stuff either harder or make them in theory a group effort have realistically as only effect that alts are used to get arround the mechanics.
Arcathra Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.03 12:25:00 - [92] I see no reasonable requirement to have multiple accounts in this game. You don't need them to do everything you want to do in EVE. Sure, they may be helpful in some cases (but that is the case in any other MMO, too), but are not needed in any way. There is content that is meant to be played in a team, with a corp or with an alliance. If you want to enjoy that content, get some friends. The content encourages group play, not multiple accounts. If you don't like friends, there are plenty of other things to do that can be done with one account. And if you don't like that either, maybe EVE isn't the game for you, play something else. There are many singleplayer games out there. Besides EVE is a very slow paced game. If you don't have the necessary patience, you're also playing the wrong game.
Quemist	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:19:00 - [93] Edited by: Quemist on 03/02/2011 13:20:42 I don't think many of the people in this thread have ever been out of high sec/ know how cyno's work. Do you guys even know that your frozen in place when you light a cyno? So you're saying you believe it's completely reasonable to ask people to move through low sec, 0.0 which takes even longer than in high sec because you have to bounce.. at least for sure in 0.0 then just sit there... and remain there log after you leave... and probably be podded. Whenever you need to move your cap to a different system is part of having good social skills? A cyno is really an alts job, and 99% of the cyno's you get from 'friends' are their alts.
Cosmar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.03 13:48:00 - [94] EvE has by far the biggest proportion of multiboxing of any game i know and it's pretty clear from design decisions by CCP that they want to keep it that way. The game would be a lot better if noboy had any alts whatsoever but CCP needed the money back in the day when they first decided to allow it and well now so many people do that they could never go back on that decision. I found it hilarious seeing people throw a temper tantrum on the forums over PLEX for remap when so many advantages can already be bought for cold cash from cyno, scouting, hauling and logistic alts to isk and ships and even ready-made characters.
Lyndsey Love	Posted - 2011.02.03 14:18:00 - [95] EVE is the best spaceship-mmo, simply because no other in the market. It has a terrible game design, especially for new players, thats why only a few thousand people play it. It also has a noob playerbase on forums, where if you say some critics about the game, they immediatelly say you are a troll. There are many other unfair, not understandable, unbalanced aspect of this game, but it seems CCP doesn't want more players and more money, and for me, until the new Blizzard MMO or WoD Online, or an other spaceship game starts, there is no better amusement than EVE :) Oh, and yes, I have two account :) And DUST will be fail ofcourse :)
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.03 16:09:00 - [96] Originally by: Archbeholder 1. Make game more interactive so that managing 4 accounts at the same time will be too difficult. This will never happen because of this and other things like it: http://www.isboxer.com/ EQ2 is much more interactive and I run 2 accounts, 1 on my laptop and one on my desktop. I use the above software to send commands to my laptop using my gkeys on my g15. You could potentially run like 10+ accounts with that software with ease. And Rift will have plenty of boxers, I might even give it a try if I can get it to run on my laptop too. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Admiral Leviathan	Posted - 2011.02.03 17:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Quemist Edited by: Quemist on 03/02/2011 13:20:42 I don't think many of the people in this thread have ever been out of high sec/ know how cyno's work. Do you guys even know that your frozen in place when you light a cyno? So you're saying you believe it's completely reasonable to ask people to move through low sec, 0.0 which takes even longer than in high sec because you have to bounce.. at least for sure in 0.0 then just sit there... and remain there log after you leave... and probably be podded. Whenever you need to move your cap to a different system is part of having good social skills? A cyno is really an alts job, and 99% of the cyno's you get from 'friends' are their alts. LOL, I will never light a cyno using a t1 throw-away frig when my main can light it using a recon for 5 minutes. On the other hand, I will always destroy your alt and probe the pod down when you log off and send him/her half-way across the galaxy. There are smart ways to light cynos, or perform any multiplayer tasks more effectively when both players are controlled by 2 different players. Sure, managing both toons yourself may prevent disappointment and leaves no one to blame but yourself when **** hits the fan, but it is also more anti-social. Even if running that 10/10 plex yields more isk if I do it alone, doing it with friends makes it 10 times better and fun.

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