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pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:31:00 - [1] Edited by: pr0spect on 22/02/2011 04:31:49 We had two points on this freighter, Obelisk, and he warped off. One of our guys had point on him for at least 20 seconds while receiving damage messages from the freighter's vagabond buddy who was trying to run us off. So it's not lag... Is this some sort of bug or exploit? Freighter Warping Pointed The video picks up at the tail end of the ordeal, in the first two seconds the freighter warps.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 04:40:05 Looks like he logged, but on the other hand he would have just disappeared without warping. Sadly local isnt showing his name. #edit okay, he's warping straight to a planet/moon. No idea
Sine0	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Sine0 on 22/02/2011 04:45:52 Looks to me like he was aligned to planet above sun and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km
Echo Mae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Echo Mae on 22/02/2011 04:43:33 We are sorry but we are unable to reimburse you for your lost freighter kill. Our logs show nothing. If you feel you have reached this canned response to your petition in error, feel free to emoragequit while my freighter delivers it's cargo unscathed... err I mean, Please feel free to escalate your petition. Sincerely, the CCP fail team. ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to.
farqar	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:48:00 - [6] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Ah yes I see it now...you sure u did'nt have a 20km point? )~
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:56:00 - [7] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. Delenda est achura.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning.
farqar	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:20:00 - [9] Edited by: farqar on 22/02/2011 05:20:45 Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning. If disruptors don't pull ppl out of warp ( wasnt sure about that) and a freighter takes so long to warp after order is given...maybe that's it.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:27:00 - [10] Originally by: farqar Edited by: farqar on 22/02/2011 05:20:45 Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning. If disruptors don't pull ppl out of warp ( wasnt sure about that) and a freighter takes so long to warp after order is given...maybe that's it. You aren't in warp until you finish aligning to your warp destination and until you've got the ship up to 2/3 speed. He was still in that process, and he was pointed for 20 seconds, that's too long of a gap to enter warp after being pointed.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:29:00 - [11] unfourtunate for you we dont have a video of his perspective which probably would have shown him warping and already clicked over the magical 75% mark by the time you nail that point onto him. Also I have seen other incidents though rare where a scrabler would 'miss' which is rather odd sometimes considering falloff is only 1km. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 20JAN11
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:31:00 - [12] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Checked that too, sadly there is no deactivation notification and he never hovers the mouse long enough on his point. But on the other hand, if someone moves out of point range the point still remains active till the cycle finishes, even if the target is out of range.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:46:00 - [13] This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Kieron VonDeux	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Checked that too, sadly there is no deactivation notification and he never hovers the mouse long enough on his point. But on the other hand, if someone moves out of point range the point still remains active till the cycle finishes, even if the target is out of range. I've had an active point on targets beyond 30km with a 24km point before. Graphically that is. As mentioned, you don't drop the graphic until the cycle ends, even though you no longer have a point.
FeralShadow RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:12:00 - [15] Edited by: FeralShadow on 22/02/2011 07:11:50 It's happened to me... Lost a freighter kill due to log off after already pointed as he jumped into system. He logged, we pointed, he still warped. We petitioned, and CCP was none too happy and told us severe steps were taken. (at this point I assumed it was some sort of haxploit) and told us to contact them with further occurances. So... it's not completely unreasonable that it wasn't legit. On the other hand, we all know Eve is a finicky creature. _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Sverige Pahis on 22/02/2011 08:14:42 Guarantee it'll be a desync. Just yesterday I was in a stealth bomber testing damage on a buddy and missiles were constantly "animating" damage but his shields wouldn't drop and I got no notification, he was showing as 40km away. I asked him what the hell was going on and he told me on his end I was 100km away. I still had stuff like wallet load fine so it's hard to predict. Good job he wasn't a red, eh? :/
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:28:00 - [17] Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Jamie Banks Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2011.02.22 09:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Baneken Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. Not quite. There used to be a mechanic where you could log off multiple times such that each time you logged back on, you were a distance away from the point you logged from. Now, no matter how many times you log on/log off, you will always arrive at the point you initially logged off at. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:13:00 - [19] At 5 seconds in to the vid you see the notification "Target is invulnerable." If I remember rightly the notification for a target going out of range is "Warp disruptor II deactivates as XXXX is no longer in range." Most likely desync I'd guess.
Saxon Gallente Pardon Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:32:00 - [20] Hes vaga buddy had ecm burst is my guess. *U Got pod ?*
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:34:00 - [21] All of you go to SISI with 2 accounts or a buddy. 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Br, Joker w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
THERisingPHOENIX Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:41:00 - [22] Im guessing u may have been sensor damped for jammed. Not sure...
IQ 001	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Mara Rinn This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! or the 'rubber band' effect caused by lag? it most notably happens when come out of warp closer than where server thinks u are and u bounce back...could it be the server was reporting him further than ur client and he just made it into warp cos of that?
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:58:00 - [24] Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit.
Thorleifer	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:27:00 - [25] Originally by: lost marble Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit. why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/02/2011 12:33:17 Originally by: Jokerface666 All of you go to SISI with 2 accounts or a buddy. 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Br, Joker Or you read a the topic before posting... Quote: why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit Or you read the post before replying to it... He said there is a remote chance it was an exploit, and he is right, there is a chance. But like he said himself, it is far more likely to be a simple desync.
Sphit Ker Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:33:00 - [27] Thx to 720p, I can make out some details. There is a missing piece: The exact type of Disruptor used by the cameraman. The camera ship have the Obelisk pointed by a Disruptor whatever (there is no indication of the specific type anywhere. We donÆt know which it is, could be a meagre meta 0 for all we know). A plain Warp Disruptor I have a range of 20km flat. This is an important detail to know because when the overview is showing 20km, the target really is anywhere between 20,000m and 20,999m. This means the target must be shown as being at 19km or less on overview. The Obelisk is traveling at 63ms at the moment it enter warp. ItÆs already fast enough to warp. I doubt the web for quick warp trick had a play here. ECM Burst can be safely ruled out. The camera ship does not lose lock on anything. The red boxed Onyx stays red boxed all along. There is no sensor dampening in effect (that I can see). The Obelisk was the nearest target to the camera man, dampening him well enough to lose that lock would also lose the other two locks. Maybe they dampened the other guy with a point? ItÆs all about the other guy who is supposed to have a point on the Obelisk, too. We know nothing specific about him so I canÆt take anything but your words for it. ThatÆs what I can make out of this. ItÆs either: - A bottom of the line Disruptor that fell out of range, - A freak even, - Some kind of exploit. The following statement is not my signature. The preceding statement is my signature.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:42:00 - [28] Its some sort of desync I think. Ive lost a few kills from people warping off while point, but I've also managed to warp while being pointed (I saw the warp disruption icon the second I warped, yet I still warped).
Thorleifer	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:46:00 - [29] Br, Joker Or you read a the topic before posting... Quote: why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit Or you read the post before replying to it... He said there is a remote chance it was an exploit, and he is right, there is a chance. But like he said himself, it is far more likely to be a simple desync. My point is this, I have lost out on a few kills because of game issues and it was apparent lag or desync played a role, but I am not on the forum with it saying it could be a exploit. I lost out, welcome to eve, I will get him next time.
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Thorleifer Originally by: lost marble Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit. why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit? Do you know that stress is a primary factor in heart disease? I suggest you step away from the keyboard, do something relaxing, getting laid might help.

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