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pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:31:00 - [1] Edited by: pr0spect on 22/02/2011 04:31:49 We had two points on this freighter, Obelisk, and he warped off. One of our guys had point on him for at least 20 seconds while receiving damage messages from the freighter's vagabond buddy who was trying to run us off. So it's not lag... Is this some sort of bug or exploit? Freighter Warping Pointed The video picks up at the tail end of the ordeal, in the first two seconds the freighter warps.
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 04:40:05 Looks like he logged, but on the other hand he would have just disappeared without warping. Sadly local isnt showing his name. #edit okay, he's warping straight to a planet/moon. No idea
Sine0	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Sine0 on 22/02/2011 04:45:52 Looks to me like he was aligned to planet above sun and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km
Echo Mae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Echo Mae on 22/02/2011 04:43:33 We are sorry but we are unable to reimburse you for your lost freighter kill. Our logs show nothing. If you feel you have reached this canned response to your petition in error, feel free to emoragequit while my freighter delivers it's cargo unscathed... err I mean, Please feel free to escalate your petition. Sincerely, the CCP fail team. ----- ** ----- I thought I was real but found out I was just a forum troll
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to.
farqar	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:48:00 - [6] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Ah yes I see it now...you sure u did'nt have a 20km point? )~
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2011.02.22 04:56:00 - [7] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. Delenda est achura.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning.
farqar	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:20:00 - [9] Edited by: farqar on 22/02/2011 05:20:45 Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning. If disruptors don't pull ppl out of warp ( wasnt sure about that) and a freighter takes so long to warp after order is given...maybe that's it.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:27:00 - [10] Originally by: farqar Edited by: farqar on 22/02/2011 05:20:45 Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: pr0spect If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Looks like he got out of range and then when accelerating into warp and leaving the scene briefly show as closer. Since he's already technically in warp and a scrambler doesn't pull people out of warp that's the score. He wasn't in warp when he was initially pointed. He was still aligning. If disruptors don't pull ppl out of warp ( wasnt sure about that) and a freighter takes so long to warp after order is given...maybe that's it. You aren't in warp until you finish aligning to your warp destination and until you've got the ship up to 2/3 speed. He was still in that process, and he was pointed for 20 seconds, that's too long of a gap to enter warp after being pointed.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:29:00 - [11] unfourtunate for you we dont have a video of his perspective which probably would have shown him warping and already clicked over the magical 75% mark by the time you nail that point onto him. Also I have seen other incidents though rare where a scrabler would 'miss' which is rather odd sometimes considering falloff is only 1km. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 20JAN11
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:31:00 - [12] Originally by: pr0spect Originally by: Sine0 Looks to me like he was aligned and just got out of point range ( hard to see) looks like 24-25km If you put the video on 720p and expand the size you can see he warped out at 20km. Still no clue as to how he did it. He didn't log either, he warped directly to the celestial he was aligned to. Checked that too, sadly there is no deactivation notification and he never hovers the mouse long enough on his point. But on the other hand, if someone moves out of point range the point still remains active till the cycle finishes, even if the target is out of range.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:46:00 - [13] This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Kieron VonDeux	Posted - 2011.02.22 05:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Checked that too, sadly there is no deactivation notification and he never hovers the mouse long enough on his point. But on the other hand, if someone moves out of point range the point still remains active till the cycle finishes, even if the target is out of range. I've had an active point on targets beyond 30km with a 24km point before. Graphically that is. As mentioned, you don't drop the graphic until the cycle ends, even though you no longer have a point.
FeralShadow RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.22 07:12:00 - [15] Edited by: FeralShadow on 22/02/2011 07:11:50 It's happened to me... Lost a freighter kill due to log off after already pointed as he jumped into system. He logged, we pointed, he still warped. We petitioned, and CCP was none too happy and told us severe steps were taken. (at this point I assumed it was some sort of haxploit) and told us to contact them with further occurances. So... it's not completely unreasonable that it wasn't legit. On the other hand, we all know Eve is a finicky creature. _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:14:00 - [16] Edited by: Sverige Pahis on 22/02/2011 08:14:42 Guarantee it'll be a desync. Just yesterday I was in a stealth bomber testing damage on a buddy and missiles were constantly "animating" damage but his shields wouldn't drop and I got no notification, he was showing as 40km away. I asked him what the hell was going on and he told me on his end I was 100km away. I still had stuff like wallet load fine so it's hard to predict. Good job he wasn't a red, eh? :/
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.02.22 08:28:00 - [17] Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Jamie Banks Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2011.02.22 09:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Baneken Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. Not quite. There used to be a mechanic where you could log off multiple times such that each time you logged back on, you were a distance away from the point you logged from. Now, no matter how many times you log on/log off, you will always arrive at the point you initially logged off at. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:13:00 - [19] At 5 seconds in to the vid you see the notification "Target is invulnerable." If I remember rightly the notification for a target going out of range is "Warp disruptor II deactivates as XXXX is no longer in range." Most likely desync I'd guess.
Saxon Gallente Pardon Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:32:00 - [20] Hes vaga buddy had ecm burst is my guess. *U Got pod ?*
Jokerface666 Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:34:00 - [21] All of you go to SISI with 2 accounts or a buddy. 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Br, Joker w00t w00t wtfpwnage train
THERisingPHOENIX Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:41:00 - [22] Im guessing u may have been sensor damped for jammed. Not sure...
IQ 001	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Mara Rinn This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! or the 'rubber band' effect caused by lag? it most notably happens when come out of warp closer than where server thinks u are and u bounce back...could it be the server was reporting him further than ur client and he just made it into warp cos of that?
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 11:58:00 - [24] Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit.
Thorleifer	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:27:00 - [25] Originally by: lost marble Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit. why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:32:00 - [26] Edited by: Furb Killer on 22/02/2011 12:33:17 Originally by: Jokerface666 All of you go to SISI with 2 accounts or a buddy. 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Br, Joker Or you read a the topic before posting... Quote: why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit Or you read the post before replying to it... He said there is a remote chance it was an exploit, and he is right, there is a chance. But like he said himself, it is far more likely to be a simple desync.
Sphit Ker Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:33:00 - [27] Thx to 720p, I can make out some details. There is a missing piece: The exact type of Disruptor used by the cameraman. The camera ship have the Obelisk pointed by a Disruptor whatever (there is no indication of the specific type anywhere. We donÆt know which it is, could be a meagre meta 0 for all we know). A plain Warp Disruptor I have a range of 20km flat. This is an important detail to know because when the overview is showing 20km, the target really is anywhere between 20,000m and 20,999m. This means the target must be shown as being at 19km or less on overview. The Obelisk is traveling at 63ms at the moment it enter warp. ItÆs already fast enough to warp. I doubt the web for quick warp trick had a play here. ECM Burst can be safely ruled out. The camera ship does not lose lock on anything. The red boxed Onyx stays red boxed all along. There is no sensor dampening in effect (that I can see). The Obelisk was the nearest target to the camera man, dampening him well enough to lose that lock would also lose the other two locks. Maybe they dampened the other guy with a point? ItÆs all about the other guy who is supposed to have a point on the Obelisk, too. We know nothing specific about him so I canÆt take anything but your words for it. ThatÆs what I can make out of this. ItÆs either: - A bottom of the line Disruptor that fell out of range, - A freak even, - Some kind of exploit. The following statement is not my signature. The preceding statement is my signature.
TimMc Brutal Deliverance Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:42:00 - [28] Its some sort of desync I think. Ive lost a few kills from people warping off while point, but I've also managed to warp while being pointed (I saw the warp disruption icon the second I warped, yet I still warped).
Thorleifer	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:46:00 - [29] Br, Joker Or you read a the topic before posting... Quote: why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit Or you read the post before replying to it... He said there is a remote chance it was an exploit, and he is right, there is a chance. But like he said himself, it is far more likely to be a simple desync. My point is this, I have lost out on a few kills because of game issues and it was apparent lag or desync played a role, but I am not on the forum with it saying it could be a exploit. I lost out, welcome to eve, I will get him next time.
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 12:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Thorleifer Originally by: lost marble Some people should try watching the video before posting, it was not e-war as the onyx and vaga are still targeted, he also has plenty of cap to run the disruptor. It was not a case of the freighter being webbed because the freighter was already pointed, webs will not help in that scenario. The notification "Target is invulnerable" happens if you try and target someone who is in warp, you should only receive that message if the freighter is already in warp and you are ctrl clicking the overview or spamming the target button. So yeah, desync/rubber banding or a remote chance that it was an exploit. why is it always a exploit becuase it does not work in your favor and he got away? Now if there was a game issue that caused him to get popped when he shouldn't have, would you be tear jerking on the forum that you used a exploit? Do you know that stress is a primary factor in heart disease? I suggest you step away from the keyboard, do something relaxing, getting laid might help.
Don Kartel	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:01:00 - [31] At no point does that video show he is pointed. No tactical message appeared saying someone has him warp scrambled and no icon appeared on the Overview showing this either. Looks like you just failed.
Turzyx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Don Kartel At no point does that video show he is pointed. No tactical message appeared saying someone has him warp scrambled and no icon appeared on the Overview showing this either. Looks like you just failed. Warp scramble icons don't appear on the overview when you are the aggressor. You can clearly see the disruptor icon to the right of his target box. Have you ever played this game? Did you even watch the video? My guess is that it was a tech 1 disruptor.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:43:00 - [33] Help a new guy out here... what would have happened if the target had a Warp Core Stabilizer and could that explain it?
Denaris Aschanna	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Help a new guy out here... what would have happened if the target had a Warp Core Stabilizer and could that explain it? The target was a freighter, which have 0 fitting slots for modules.
Zuppa Spy	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:52:00 - [35] Hooooooorayyyyy. Carebears 1 Gankers 0
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.22 13:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Denaris Aschanna Originally by: Ingvar Angst Help a new guy out here... what would have happened if the target had a Warp Core Stabilizer and could that explain it? The target was a freighter, which have 0 fitting slots for modules. Oh, ok, those really humongous ones. Gotcha. ... so, hypothetically...?
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Jamie Banks Originally by: Baneken Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. Not quite. There used to be a mechanic where you could log off multiple times such that each time you logged back on, you were a distance away from the point you logged from. Now, no matter how many times you log on/log off, you will always arrive at the point you initially logged off at. Logging back into the same account and entering the game with a different character used to immediately remove your other character from space. Couple patches ago it was fixed, then people started getting left in space long after they were supposed to be removed. Not sure what the current status of that is. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Sinister Dextor	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:22:00 - [38] You pressed control shift.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Saxon Hes vaga buddy had ecm burst is my guess. My understanding of this module is that the ones who are had by it lose all their locks, not just the select one. Delenda est achura.
Plentath	Posted - 2011.02.22 14:52:00 - [40] Really? No-one else knows this? Freighter sig radius - 3.4km Distance to object on overview - nearest edge of sig radius +/- rounding issues Range of targeted modules - calculated as distance from centre of object. Ergo, your discrepancy. tl;dr : EvE is all big circles with inconsistent measurement points.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.22 17:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Ingvar Angst ... so, hypothetically...? Hypothetically what? Freighters have no fitting slots. At all. I don't know how much more simple I can make it.
Stephen Root	Posted - 2011.02.22 17:31:00 - [42] When you're overview says 20K it might actually be 20.3K meaning it broke out of point. Also his buddy may have double webbed him so when he spammed his warp, he left the second you lost point.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries	Posted - 2011.02.22 17:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Jokerface666 All of you go to SISI with 2 accounts or a buddy. 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Br, Joker Two webs work just fine.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Hell's Hide-Out	Posted - 2011.02.22 17:33:00 - [44] Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/02/2011 17:36:57 Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/02/2011 17:33:17 CASE A Tech 1 warp disruptor optimal range 20km Freighter aligned at speed spamming warp continously Pilot would have to confirm this and may not be willing to own up to freighter loss due to tech 1 gear fitted. CASE B Desynch shows carrier closer then it actualy is Possible but probably unlikley CASE C There WAS a method where by ships would log and still warp whilst pointed that a particular russian allaince used to use regulaly with all sorts of ships diwn where i used to pirate. Unfortunatly we cant see the pilot in local chat so cannot confirm whether he logged or not. NEver did get to the bottome of it (yes i understand logofski rules) They did it maybe 20 times over 2 weeks then suddenly stopped, i assumed they shut the loophole, but its possible its still there. possible NOT HAPPENING: No scramblers dont miss No target was not insta webbed into warp, he was clearly pointed No target model size does not count No he was not ecmd targeted or burst No the freighter did not have a stab SKUNK (o)
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.22 18:59:00 - [45] Its not many times you see a pvper here moaning about a stupid loss of an easy kill. So all I have to say is, pvper tears are far better than carebear tears. Also it was either Desync or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ]
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Hell's Hide-Out	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:01:00 - [46] Originally by: TriadSte or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ] Dosent matter, ship would have disapeared into thin air not warped. SKUNK (o)
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:15:00 - [47] Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 19:16:41 Originally by: TriadSte Its not many times you see a pvper here moaning about a stupid loss of an easy kill. So all I have to say is, pvper tears are far better than carebear tears. Also it was either Desync or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ] And nothing better than people without a clue complaining. If you log while pointed: You simply disappear after 1m/15m. How do you know he wasnt in local? Local wasnt scrolled down to his name. You know that "Q" comes a bit after "L" right? @OP Have you thought about sending a convo? That would have been the thing i had done.
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:19:00 - [48] Put in a ticket, maybe theyll reimburse your kill ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Leeluvv The Black Ops	Posted - 2011.02.22 19:42:00 - [49] Edited by: Leeluvv on 22/02/2011 19:44:08 My estimation: Freighter was aligned and punching the warp button, You were moving about at over 1km/s at times, trying to kill the Vaga, You went beyond the 20Km disruptor range on the Freighter, The second your disruptor dropped, the freighter warped. This could have been accelerated if the targets were webbing the Freighter to decrease its warp align time. i.e. You were too busy fighting the Vaga to tackle the freighter properly. Originally by: Doctor Mabuse A wife is just a T2 GF. They're more expensive and their resists are higher
lost marble Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.22 20:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Plentath Really? No-one else knows this? Freighter sig radius - 3.4km Distance to object on overview - nearest edge of sig radius +/- rounding issues Range of targeted modules - calculated as distance from centre of object. Ergo, your discrepancy. tl;dr : EvE is all big circles with inconsistent measurement points. Can someone confirm or deny this please. I remember that it always used to be the edge of the sphere but this could result in 0 dps when ships were touching due to tracking formula not liking zeros. They then changed to the centre of the sphere to prevent this bug. 4km does seem like a hell of a big discrepancy however.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.02.22 20:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Denaris Aschanna Originally by: Ingvar Angst Help a new guy out here... what would have happened if the target had a Warp Core Stabilizer and could that explain it? The target was a freighter, which have 0 fitting slots for modules. Oh, ok, those really humongous ones. Gotcha. ... so, hypothetically...? Ha ha, you're an idiot ?
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.02.22 22:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Jokerface666 1. get in a freighter. 2. your buddy gets in a Ships with min. 3 webs 3. Start warp in the Freighter 4. your buddy hits you with all 3 webs 5. You are in warp nearly instantly Not with a warp disruptor on the freighter.
Berneh Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.22 22:53:00 - [53] thats what you get for ****ing about in txme we decide the rules over here :D
Eyezpiddydafooh Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.02.23 01:10:00 - [54] Originally by: TriadSte Its not many times you see a pvper here moaning about a stupid loss of an easy kill. So all I have to say is, pvper tears are far better than carebear tears. Also it was either Desync or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ] OMG, that was good You gotta love PVPers whining, it truly is classic!
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.02.23 01:13:00 - [55] Sorry, don't see the tears. I see the OP asking about a situation he couldn't explain.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.02.23 01:31:00 - [56] I'm going to put it in really big bold letters so people can't miss this: THIS HAPPENS SOMETIMES TO ALL SHIPS There is a bug that I cannot reproduce where I have clicked to warp somewhere, have started to warp, then been pointed. My warp however does not deactivate (I want to assure you there are no WCS involved.) The ship being scrambled generally has an excruciatingly long spin-up time to warp because it's got some high velocity in another direction or is just plain slow. This has happened countless times on stations where I should be able to stop warp and dock but can't because I'm locked in warp -- EVEN WHILE SCRAMBLED -- and have wound uplosing my ship to this anomaly. Even more interesting, just a few weeks ago while in 0.0 I was in my Lachesis. I started microwarpdriving hard off the gate and a target caught up with me. As soon as I saw him barreling towards me I hit warp. I aligned to something (albeit incredibly slowly) and then he put the point on me. I for sure thought I was going to lose my ship (Beagle vs Lachesis) but somehow, through some mysterious force I warped. The local chatter after that was sort of confused. I didn't know what had happened, and he figured I had stabs. I assured him I didn't and we all shrugged it off. All the meanwhile I discovered after looking through my logs that warp notifications no longer show up in your log history, so that just compounded the problem further. :\| www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2011.02.23 02:06:00 - [57] Freighter gets out of point range (assuming ****ty T1 disruptor) so e.g. 20.1km actual rounded down to 20km, point still appears to be active on the target for the duration of the cycle but would've deactivated had freighter not already got up to 75% speed and warped. Doesn't seem like a very big mystery to me to be honest. If he had been right on top of it and it still warped off, then yeah..
Dez Affinity Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.02.23 02:30:00 - [58] Haven't seen your video because I'm too lazy. However: Sometimes pointed people just warp, it happens rarely but it's happened to 2 or 3 people I've pointed and a couple of friends who were pointed. One such time I jumped in tackled a PvPer (he had no stabs) He was well within 24km. Then he just warped. He was as suprised as I was. Even if I could reproduce it, I wouldn't tell anyone _______________
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.23 02:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Mara Rinn This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! This Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.02.23 03:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Originally by: Mara Rinn This could be a server/client desync, with the freighter being further away than your client says it is. The freighter pilot was probably laughing at the noobs failing to put a point on during a 45-second align! This I too have seen this effect with desync but in particular things not being at the right or expected distance (the indication versus the result of an action).
Quagtron	Posted - 2011.02.23 04:28:00 - [61] Wow, I am such a popular subject today. I am the freighter pilot that he claims cheated. I did not cheat. I was playing smart. I was pointed, yes, but i was also fully aligned to a safe spot, and i was 20km+ from the single, yes i said single red that was pointing me. He claims there was 2 but there was one and unless he was using a tech 2 or faction point, 20km is the max range and will let me go once beyond that. So I must sadly say, please learn to pvp better next time you come across a freighter, our fat asses can win and it just happened. Good Day :) Also, talk to Mdar, he is the bomb
John Alper Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.23 04:32:00 - [62] Well I was the vagabond pilot that died in that video. (My poor vagabond:( Donations are accepted!) The freighter had been aligned and was spamming warp but was pointed by a covops. We killed the cov ops right before the gang jumped in and so the freighter got into warp before they could get into range. No exploits, no bugs, just bad luck on your part.
Squall D'Lyes Gallente Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2011.02.23 04:39:00 - [63] I was also there at the fight. Was flying a rapier and killed the covops that had the freighter pointed initially. While the freighter was pointed by the covops, he was still aligning. Once we killed the covops, I dual webbed him with the rapier. This was done before the first of the gang jumped through. For some reason, he must not have warped at that point because a dual web should have made him instawarp. So my guess is bad luck. Once the gang jumped through though, I cloaked cause I couldnt do anything to that gang.
Anne Alingus	Posted - 2011.02.23 06:40:00 - [64] I thought the webs just removed the acceleration component of warping, and that you still have to align?
IQ 001	Posted - 2011.02.23 06:52:00 - [65] Edited by: IQ 001 on 23/02/2011 06:53:27 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 19:16:41 Originally by: TriadSte Its not many times you see a pvper here moaning about a stupid loss of an easy kill. So all I have to say is, pvper tears are far better than carebear tears. Also it was either Desync or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ] If you log while pointed: You simply disappear after 1m/15m. eh, actually this is not always true.... whle loggin in via my iphone internet theder using 3g in a slow loacation, i frequently got lags...to uch to do any fighting... i jumped a gate once and got a bad lag spike on the far side, i came out of the lag spike to watch my ship WARP 1Million KMS away.. now, i know ur ship warps 1,000,000 km away when u logout...but i was still logged in when it did this....
BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2011.02.23 07:43:00 - [66] Originally by: IQ 001 Edited by: IQ 001 on 23/02/2011 06:53:27 Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 22/02/2011 19:16:41 Originally by: TriadSte Its not many times you see a pvper here moaning about a stupid loss of an easy kill. So all I have to say is, pvper tears are far better than carebear tears. Also it was either Desync or he logged as he's not in local [ im betting on this one ] If you log while pointed: You simply disappear after 1m/15m. eh, actually this is not always true.... whle loggin in via my iphone internet theder using 3g in a slow loacation, i frequently got lags...to uch to do any fighting... i jumped a gate once and got a bad lag spike on the far side, i came out of the lag spike to watch my ship WARP 1Million KMS away.. now, i know ur ship warps 1,000,000 km away when u logout...but i was still logged in when it did this.... I like your name. Sorry, carry on.
UberDefDef The Dark Horses. Sanctus Ianitores Mundi	Posted - 2011.02.23 09:09:00 - [67] Originally by: pr0spect Edited by: pr0spect on 22/02/2011 04:31:49 We had two points on this freighter, Obelisk, and he warped off. One of our guys had point on him for at least 20 seconds while receiving damage messages from the freighter's vagabond buddy who was trying to run us off. So it's not lag... Is this some sort of bug or exploit? Freighter Warping Pointed The video picks up at the tail end of the ordeal, in the first two seconds the freighter warps. you're in B2K...I wouldnt be surprised if you had a 20k point fit...
m3rb3aSt Minmatar Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.23 10:16:00 - [68] I think it was a bug. These guys have been flying around our space and are definitely flying ships that wouldn't have a plain out t1 point. I recall seeing two cynabals, a gila, rapier, and sabre (I think) and they definitely would have fit t2 points at the minimum. Most cynabal pilots fit a faction point so it is definitely some sort of bug.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.25 06:06:00 - [69] Edited by: pr0spect on 25/02/2011 06:08:08 I never claimed he cheated. I was torn between exploit or bug. The more I read the more intelligible posts on this thread, the more I think it's just some janky CCP miscalculation. Furthermore, if you're flying a vagabond and you're using a tech 1 warp disruptor, you need to uninstall Eve. To think people even suggesting this makes for good lulz. So, in summation I've decided to chalk it up to broken CCP code, maybe we should put it up with the 1000 papercuts post, but then again the reproduction on this seems to be very difficult.
Meridith Akesia Tempest Legion Freemason Core	Posted - 2011.02.25 08:56:00 - [70] TL;DR: OP fails at tackling.
pr0spect	Posted - 2011.02.27 02:00:00 - [71] Edited by: pr0spect on 27/02/2011 02:01:13 Originally by: Meridith Akesia TL;DR: OP fails at tackling. I can't fail, I win at everything, all the time. I put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else, except I p*ss excellence in them.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.27 02:17:00 - [72] Have seen it before, one dude pulled this trick in a freighter every time he jumped into our lowsec system. We never figured out what he did, but he managed to warp despite being pointed by at least one HIC and a gazillion of ships. Always smacked in local afterwards how pro he was for getting out...
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.27 05:35:00 - [73] why does it seem that everyone ignored the other people involved in the fight. they kinda explained how he got away. poop happens, one less kill for the books __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.27 08:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa THIS HAPPENS SOMETIMES TO ALL SHIPS \| I think it's if you hit some magical velocity while you have initiated warp (there's warping text). Happened to me few times. I hit warp and someone points me a little too late but I still warp. I think it might have something in common with that magical stuck in warping state.
Carniflex StarHunt R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.02.27 09:01:00 - [75] Originally by: Jamie Banks Originally by: Baneken Also emergency warp from a disconnect shouldn't be able to avoid scrams or bubbles any more or something along those lines read in the path notes some time ago. Not quite. There used to be a mechanic where you could log off multiple times such that each time you logged back on, you were a distance away from the point you logged from. Now, no matter how many times you log on/log off, you will always arrive at the point you initially logged off at. It's true most of the time, however, if you are prepared you can still avoid warping back to the point you logged off from. Can't to it in freighter however. Its more useful if you are in supercapital and dont want to end up in ****caged POS upon login. I have petitioned it in the past and GM's investigated this ... 'trick' ... but as far as I'm aware it has not been classed as exploit so far. All I got back from it was 'we have started internal discussion on how to react to such thing' and clarification that if you would be using it to end up more than 10 AU from celestials in the system this would be classed as exploit.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.02.27 09:50:00 - [76] Had this happen to me on the other end the other day. I had JUST got out of a guy's point range, but wasn't aligned to anything, so I spammed warp to whatever.....fat ass aligning.....aligning....guy got point on me again, but it still said I was in warp. The overview clearly said he had a point on me, yet a few seconds later I was safely in warp.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:08:00 - [77] It's also worth remembering that the space simulation only does its calculations once per second. The rest of the action is interpolated by the client. The freighter might have got to the 20km limit and warped out just after one tick, whereas if he'd stayed on grid for another second your client would have deactivated the warp scrambler due to the freighter being out of range. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Cheekyhoe	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:45:00 - [78] I'm like to point out that the point disappeared half cycle. Now if anyone isn't aware until the cycle finishes you cannot warp regardless of being out of range. Unless you have a warp stab. So either this is a new exploit (farmers get your pitchforks) or as many people said it was a desync. Personally I think the freighter pilot did use an exploit but most likely unknowingly. Also gutted if he was empty And next time dont be a ninny and jump into a system with hostiles in....
El Liptonez Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.02.27 11:01:00 - [79] I've had the same thing happen so me once. Got tackled well by a Crusader orbiting me at ~20km. Clicked warp, the warp message showed up (the big one on the bottom), the tackling message came in, but the big warp drive active didn't disappear and my ship kept accelerating and warping off.
Jekyl Eraser	Posted - 2011.02.27 11:25:00 - [80] did you deactivate point by mistake and then reactivated it right as the cycle time gave in? I've done that mistake few times and your video doesn't show the begining of the cycle which would prove this point. If you did this mistake and target is spamming warp, he will get away. Now confess!
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.02.27 11:35:00 - [81] Originally by: m3rb3aSt I think it was a bug. These guys have been flying around our space and are definitely flying ships that wouldn't have a plain out t1 point. I recall seeing two cynabals, a gila, rapier, and sabre (I think) and they definitely would have fit t2 points at the minimum. Most cynabal pilots fit a faction point so it is definitely some sort of bug. You can always look at the guy's lossmails on battleclinic - he frequently uses T1 points. Retro sig
The Old Chap	Posted - 2011.02.27 11:56:00 - [82] Reading the post and replies, it doesn't sound like a bug or an exploit. You just didn't have the situation 100% nailed, and the odds worked against you that time.
Typhado3 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.28 20:51:00 - [83] What where the drones that where attacking that scrambler? They weren't doing any damage. ------------------------------ God is an afk cloaker

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