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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:30:00 -
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Forgive the rant mode please ... venting off steam here ...
Who came up with the bright idea with the hangars sorting? Default to sort by name? What ever happened to the rule "if it isn't broken don't fix it"? Sorting already was possible and for most of the pilots I know fitting is done from the hangar sorted by type, the only time you use sort by name is if you are looking for one tiny module in a huge hangar filled with thousands of items like the current FCC hangars ..
Ok, maybe I am seeing this all wrong, but this is not something that comes out of "being use to a certain way of doing things". This, at least in my perspective and that of a lot of other pilots spoken to sofar, comes from sense (which may obviously differ for people as we are all individuals).
Thanks to this patch for every fitting I do, and for every filtering of hangar items I have to right click and sort it by type again. If you must keep this new feature, please in the name of common sense by individuality make it a defineable setting in the next patch. I can't ask to just get rid of it, as it might make sense to other people (I wonder though) .. but it is a huge inconvenience. Get rid of it please, or enable a default setting defineable by the pilot to sort (pun intended) it once and for all. :-)
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Waka
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Waka on 01/02/2005 19:45:38
Why oh why another regression. I posted about this bug on FIRST PAGE of stickyfied patch thread in general forums week ago.
Its a small but terribly annoying GUI bug, was it hard to fix it, it's a one line of code.
Now let everyone suffer for a few months until next patch everytime they open station hangar...
CCP, if its possible, could your roll small non-obligatory patch for this one?
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:50:00 -
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Well, the text cursor blinking in odd places in the text input pane of the chat window is what I would call a small bug .. but this is something which goes right into anything remotely resembling usability theory and UI design ... I thought the goal was to facilitate matters, and not complicate matters by means of the click factor.
I presume this has just slipped in. I can understand the aspect of providing different methods to the same target, but not by enforcing it or leaving a user defineable setting option out all together.
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:07:00 -
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Server reboot a 20.20 ... let's cross our fingers for either a quick rollback on this, um, feature or an insertion of a user defineable setting on it :-)
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Mining Maxx on 01/02/2005 20:27:57
Hi,
well... please dont call this complicated ;) changing a default value from one to another should be nothing if it wasnt implemented in a terribly rubbish way which i dont assume ccp did... especially as the requested way is the way it has always been in the past ;)
anyway... i support the addition of a user definable preference in the ESC menu like i already stated in the GUI improvement thread.
The thing is just... there's hardly and official response or feedback to any of the posts so one never knows if it makes its way to the right eyes ;) it might have been a good idea to set up some sticky threads about some (few) of the issues as well, but its still unknown if the right people pay more attention to it than to the informal user posts...
thats why i actually expect another 2 dozen people opening threads about this issue and no one ever knowing if it is going to be fixed anytime soon until a sudden patch does so ;)
Regards...
PS. And when can we expect the window management to be fixed again? i'd really like to be able to invite people properly to conversations again like in the past before the windows got bugged with shiva...
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Mining Maxx
Edited by: Mining Maxx on 01/02/2005 20:27:57
anyway... i support the addition of a user definable preference in the ESC menu like i already stated in the GUI improvement thread.
Thanks for adding your voice, highly appreciated.
Originally by: Mining Maxx
The thing is just... there's hardly and official response or feedback to any of the posts so one never knows if it makes its way to the right eyes ;) < .... > thats why i actually expect another 2 dozen people opening threads about this issue and no one ever knowing if it is going to be fixed anytime soon until a sudden patch does so ;)
Yup, though sofar I have to say this forum is pretty quiet, so maybe it will be noted. But yes, lots of people making threads about the same topic doesn't help either those whom the issue concerns nor the people who we're asking to fix it.
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Mining Maxx
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:39:00 -
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Hi,
just noticed.. there's more about this issue...
Seems some ppl at CCP didnt follow their own scheme of giving sort criteria attributes to the new items.
The new mining crystal blueprints are spread all over your other blueprints when you sort by type.
Seems they are sorted by name no matter if you select type or not...
Not quite surprising i must admit... we already had some talking about the lack of a real scheme for certain things.. e.g. naming conventions etc.
Regards...
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Reese Dianata
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:42:00 -
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If anything as well, when you sort by type, it should sub-sort those types by name automatically. As now the hangar shows all my station containers first (as the sort by type) but its no good anymore as they aren't in any comprehendable order within type whereas they used to be by name within type. |
StarLite
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:43:00 -
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I'd like to have sort by type back by default as well.
it's been this way since early beta and I haven't heard any reasons to change it :)
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:47:00 -
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Signed.
I hate this sort by name stuff as well. We should at least have the option to choose default - or save latest.
It's the same problem in corp hangars and in cargoholds.
FileCop AI of MASS
Co-CEO |
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MachineMk2
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:47:00 -
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/signed/
Sort by name as default is DUMB. Thank you.
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.02.01 21:49:00 -
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Signed...sort by Type please...and quickly... Its amazing how someone at CCp managed to convince others this was a required change ! 
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.01 22:16:00 -
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Adding voices is one thing, and a very much appreciated thing :-) But as one response here already pointed out .. there's no way of knowing whether this is seen and/or acknowledged or not :-( I think the best option is to all file a bug report for this, I know bug reports do not yield response .. but at least those are in a processing queue, unlike the forums which CCP have to browse just like we do.
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
KrogothZero
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Posted - 2005.02.01 22:26:00 -
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Signed!
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VinkNut
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Posted - 2005.02.01 22:55:00 -
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Signed.
It's such a basic thing to miss out, I'm quite surprised.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.02 01:25:00 -
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Indeed, please keep adding your voice here, and bug report :-) Probably gets better attention ..
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
BarmaLINI
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Posted - 2005.02.02 02:01:00 -
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please, keep sorting for any windows in config files or in some else :o\
if you cant make this, that pls make sorting by types default in items window
sry for bad english
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Dammsugaren
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Posted - 2005.02.02 02:14:00 -
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signed...
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.02.02 03:36:00 -
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/signed
-ank
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Deep Slumber
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Posted - 2005.02.02 04:22:00 -
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Dito.
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yaran
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Posted - 2005.02.02 04:23:00 -
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Signed.
Amazingly annoying. I'm hoping for a quick fix on this one. Hope it doesnt take a month +
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Ali Bobba
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Posted - 2005.02.02 06:38:00 -
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SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED SIGNED
Or maybe we could get 'Sort by Pyerite content' to become the default setting. It'd be about as useful as 'Sort by Name.'
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Zhealous
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:05:00 -
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Signed.
The sorting is only an inconvenience perhaps, but it gets rather annoying and shouldn't be that hard to fix, both sort-by-type (And retaining that order) as well as sorting by name under type.
Thanks.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:14:00 -
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Can we get an option to choose what we want it to default too please?
Or just auto-default to what you selected last like it did before :)
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Traxman
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:33:00 -
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I dont mind open the hangar but atleast SAVE what _I_ like! Its annoying to open the hangar every damn time to get sorted by name and resort it by Type, should be easy
fro CCP to atleast have an save for what we like have the
hangar sorted as... cant understand who was the bright
within CCP that came up with this idea..
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:40:00 -
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Why in the hell all blueprints are in different groups? When sorting assets by group, they all scattered all over the place.
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Unemployed
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:50:00 -
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sort by name ruined my life, and the lives of all those around me... oh the humanity, really though, it sucks
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Adam Weishaupt
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Posted - 2005.02.02 09:10:00 -
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As an obsessional hangar organizer, I hate this feature. Why? WHY?
/me screams in tortured anguish.
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Kharo Khann
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Posted - 2005.02.02 09:11:00 -
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Signed
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Faux
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Posted - 2005.02.02 09:37:00 -
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signed
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BarmaLINI
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:28:00 -
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any sorting in any windows now dont saved :o\
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:33:00 -
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Very frustrating ... it would be nice to default one of the options.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.02 11:56:00 -
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Nice to see that I was not the only one :-) Thanks for your support, keep adding it :P
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Max Horkheimer
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:22:00 -
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I kind of like the new system
Nah, just kidding, hate it as much as everyone else.
Signed
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Bon3s
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:54:00 -
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Signed
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Time Killer
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:21:00 -
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Signed. *&^$"ú%ing irritating not to be able to choose the default!  |
Seetian Leete
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:26:00 -
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Signed..
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reyes
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:50:00 -
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signed. 
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Karrde CZ
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Posted - 2005.02.02 15:31:00 -
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Signed.
WTF is the genius at CCP to suggest such feature? Did you guys (CCP) receive requests from users to do this with the hangars? If so I'd like to know who so that I can set my proper standings towards them.... KOS.
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Retromash
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Posted - 2005.02.02 16:07:00 -
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Signed!
Start lowblow
When did you start hiring EA programmers?
End lowblow
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Percivs
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:07:00 -
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signed.
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Sprak
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:18:00 -
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signed.
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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:25:00 -
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Signed...damned annoying.
"If I'm brutally honest and it offends you, that's not my fault."
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(O.o)
(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |
Skiba
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:57:00 -
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Signed.
Get it off
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Sun Sliver
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Posted - 2005.02.02 18:07:00 -
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Signed
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Diego
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Posted - 2005.02.02 19:58:00 -
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Signed
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Shinca
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Posted - 2005.02.02 20:59:00 -
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Please fix this, I can't believe how annoying it is...
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(> <) WTB cookbook with bunny recipes |
Polaras
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Posted - 2005.02.02 21:28:00 -
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SIGNED
500+ idem corp hangers are a complete mess.
Please make this user definable.
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.02.02 22:18:00 -
[49]
signed.
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[My Blog] | [Roving Guns Kill List] |
ChernoChiel
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Posted - 2005.02.02 23:08:00 -
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*mumbles something bout singed*
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"what did that button do??"
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Dangeroux
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Posted - 2005.02.02 23:08:00 -
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/signed
Dang
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2005.02.02 23:58:00 -
[52]
signed
Raindrop
Trader of low end stuff and NPC goods. Recycler of junk.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.03 00:26:00 -
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"the day after" it got introduced and I see we are well on our way to making a serious point of this topic here in Patch Review. To be honest I had a little bit of hope that I might get used to the new enforced method .. but no, it's illogical. It trancends the "user expectation derived logic" (to keep it in UI terminology). It's worse actually .. it does not make sense, it clutters, it enforces unnecessary additional steps instead of simplifying matters. It really has to go, or we should be seeing the introduction of a user defineable setting so we can all default it back to the way that does make sense.
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Bertie
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Posted - 2005.02.03 00:48:00 -
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THis really is an awful awful awful bug. SOOO much more annoying and inconvenient than it should be, but somehow it really manages to RUIN the whole in-station experience. I dread docking in my production station now...
SIGNED!!!!
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Daxit
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Posted - 2005.02.03 06:03:00 -
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yup. this was the first bug report I submitted regarding this patch. sorting was FINE, but good job screwing it up.
now, hopefully fix soonÖ please.
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BarmaLINI
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Posted - 2005.02.03 10:16:00 -
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i dont like names for my conteiners - "1-ammo", "1-items" ....
pls, fix problem with saving sorting in session
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Sebassis
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Posted - 2005.02.03 10:17:00 -
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/me signs too
this "feature" is definitely givng my OCD's a real headache :D
Sebassis
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Emeline Cabernet
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:05:00 -
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signed
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:26:00 -
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This is so annoying that I have refrained from playing since the patch, except to log in and keep a skill training. I refuse to deal with this headache, and I hope CCP releases a hotfix for it soon.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:31:00 -
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Well, seems there's a server side fix for the hardener+lag topic, maybe there is a fix for this as well? A man can hope :P
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
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Gigi Barbagrigia
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:34:00 -
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Granted, only 5% of playerbase reads forums. But there it was, a quiet morning after patch, dozen or so pilots in corp chat.
> Arghhh! Anybody else anoyed with this sorting #@$&#?
> yea
> you bet
> yes
> ya
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and that couple of afkers would have certainly agreed too 
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Juniper
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Posted - 2005.02.03 11:57:00 -
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Signed.
-- Gotta sell my stuff...
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Ravenslock
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Posted - 2005.02.03 13:10:00 -
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Signed
Atleast make it Optional
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Dawn Queen
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Posted - 2005.02.03 13:11:00 -
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Signed
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Ocularis
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Posted - 2005.02.03 13:22:00 -
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Signed.
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Tavernier
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Posted - 2005.02.03 14:04:00 -
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Signed.
Sort by Type, PLEASE... I got 650+ items in my hangar... order is what keeps me sane...  |
Legende
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Posted - 2005.02.03 16:06:00 -
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//SIGNED//
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Your Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I perfectly strikes Blood Arch Sage, wrecking for 216.8 damage. |
Mad Molly
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Posted - 2005.02.03 17:46:00 -
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Mad Molly here
Poor Mad Molly does not like sort by name her brain gets confused.
Molly would like the sort by type as a default to help her
Mad Molly as Mad as they come
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2005.02.03 17:57:00 -
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Ahhhhh yeah (Signed)
Please fit the sorting
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OpusDei
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Posted - 2005.02.03 18:49:00 -
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signed.
CCP please change it back to the way it was.
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chaotic
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Posted - 2005.02.03 23:29:00 -
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signed
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Uglious
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Posted - 2005.02.04 06:53:00 -
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Signed. Alternative, allow a "default" sorting to be assigned on a user-by-user basis.
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FlareZFX
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Posted - 2005.02.04 07:21:00 -
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signed!
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El Covah
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Posted - 2005.02.04 09:37:00 -
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Re-enable "sort by type" by default.
/signed/
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Toqua
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Posted - 2005.02.04 12:35:00 -
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Signed.
Preset would be _wonderful_ and nice to have .... :-)
T. |
Elayne Carlheimer
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Posted - 2005.02.04 16:26:00 -
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Yeah, this is really annoying. I really hate the fact that window positions are not stored...
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Hobbsalong
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Posted - 2005.02.04 19:40:00 -
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Signed
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Marion Quicksilver
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Posted - 2005.02.04 20:43:00 -
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I agree. Please fix it back.
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HDCamper Itsim
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Posted - 2005.02.04 21:45:00 -
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type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type type
I think the above should cover it for the corp.
K thanks.
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NaZguL
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Posted - 2005.02.05 04:34:00 -
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"remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used" "remember last used"
etc etc etc.......
yea and bring back refresh ffs
Hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyl 
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dimensionZ
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Posted - 2005.02.05 04:46:00 -
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Default should be :
type ASC, name ASC.
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zurvan
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Posted - 2005.02.05 11:09:00 -
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signed
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Techyon
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:25:00 -
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Signed
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ARIN Recruiter
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Rai Ardose
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:47:00 -
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signed, and please fix the annoying chatcursor bug too :)
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Fumita
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:49:00 -
[85]
Signed
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Hawksmoor
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Posted - 2005.02.05 21:02:00 -
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Signed
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"The chill of a thousand words unspoken, fell upon his shoulders like a cape of snowflakes, Crystalized by the freezing depth of the beyond" |
Darkslayer
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Posted - 2005.02.06 10:39:00 -
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/me wants old sorting back.
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Swindley
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Posted - 2005.02.07 08:32:00 -
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Already signed that other thread about the same thingy, but sill sign this one too...
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Xandiar
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Posted - 2005.02.07 08:37:00 -
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signed.
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Master Hark
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:38:00 -
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Signed, please fix it, its just so annoying
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Ooger Rubicon
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:44:00 -
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signed |
Shanoriah
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:45:00 -
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signed
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BarmaLINI
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:23:00 -
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pls, fix it
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Mrissa Easeah
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Posted - 2005.02.07 20:30:00 -
[94]
Signed!
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.08 14:15:00 -
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5 Pages of response sofar, you'd think there would be at least a form of ISD response sofar :/ I can imagine the armor / hardener / repairer > lag topic deserving more immediate attention but this topic also affects the ejoyment of Eve rather heavily :-(
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Ysabelle nKataros
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Posted - 2005.02.08 17:32:00 -
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signed.
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MAcheTT3 > Hehe, ok... How much would you take them off for? |
Turnex
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:03:00 -
[97]
Signed.
Please fix this annoying "feature".
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Azrael Maxim
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Posted - 2005.02.09 15:53:00 -
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There is an unscheduled maintenance window now, I keep my fingers crossed and hope they hot fix the sorting bug.
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Kayinan Malrean
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:13:00 -
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There's little use for sorting by name. Fix it, signed.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:26:00 -
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Yes this needs change.
Best case senario would be total definable sorting eg. typeA ASC name ASC, typeB ASC name ASC ect.
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Judas Jones
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:10:00 -
[101]
Signed both!!!!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=147877&page=1
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.02.10 17:57:00 -
[102]
Both? !! So we have all together 12 pages on this topic ... that must be an indication of the negative effect of this "feature".
Cheers,
Virtuozzo |
Onmarr Shan
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Posted - 2005.02.10 22:57:00 -
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Signed. Set to 'by type' default, please.
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Calio
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Posted - 2005.02.11 11:45:00 -
[104]
signed
"Those people who think they know everything are a real annoyance to those of us who do" (Issac Assimov) |
Gee Man
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Posted - 2005.02.11 12:00:00 -
[105]
AArghh, change it back to pre-patch!
I think before, the hanger & cargo containers stayed how it was last used. Meaning after you placed/sorted whichever items around, they would stay placed that way. There was no auto-sorting default from what I remember.
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PAPA
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Posted - 2005.02.11 15:17:00 -
[106]
its a pain 
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N1fty
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Posted - 2005.02.12 15:32:00 -
[107]
Signed in blood!
This annoys me more than words.
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"When i see a naked man chasing a woman down a dark alley with a butcher knife and a hard-on, i figure he's not out collecting for the red cross" |
Earlyflash III
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Posted - 2005.02.12 19:07:00 -
[108]
Worst Idea. Ever.
Signed - Change it.
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Chloe Dawnsinger
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Posted - 2005.02.12 22:17:00 -
[109]
Signed
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ShyLion
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Posted - 2005.02.14 07:33:00 -
[110]
Shameless bump
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ChernoChiel
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Posted - 2005.02.15 17:10:00 -
[111]
any reactions from the devs yet??
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Brain X
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Posted - 2005.02.15 20:54:00 -
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Hi everyone,
since the last patch, sortment of the "item box" changed from sorting by "types" to sorting by "names" as standard.
This change is very annoying and not very effective in my eyes. Sorting by "type" is more organized.... all kind of ammunition, containers or whatever are together and not mixed up by names. It just safes a lot of time... if u have a lot of items inside your box.
I would welcome to change the standard to sorting by "type" again, like before. OR make it adjustable for each player, so everyone can chose his favorite setting....
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2005.02.15 21:46:00 -
[113]
signed
"We Worship Strength, because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Sleyha
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Posted - 2005.02.16 04:49:00 -
[114]
Signed.
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Richard Soren
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Posted - 2005.02.16 11:45:00 -
[115]
signed
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Voros Mokus
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Posted - 2005.02.17 05:52:00 -
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Signed, I want sort by type back!
V.
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BarmaLINI
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Posted - 2005.02.18 10:21:00 -
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signed
where is answer from developers ...
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Traveler
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Posted - 2005.02.18 13:40:00 -
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They got the message ;) Wait until next patch. Thread closed.
Traveler
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