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Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.09 14:12:00 - [1] Do you find yourself as a PVP/combat pilot with default Mining or Industry Skills? Or perhaps you are a Miner with default Gunnery & Turret skills? I propose that a simple and slight change be made to the skill system that allows players to not only "inject" skills but to "un-inject" skills as well. This would not change game play or affect the main game. It would just make sense. Please comment.
Danika Princip Minmatar Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.03.09 14:37:00 - [2] Originally by: Fortis88 It would just make sense. No, it really wouldn't. Do you mean drop a skill and get the SP back? Why would that make sense, and how would that not be a huge change to gameplay?
De'Veldrin Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2011.03.09 14:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Danika Princip Originally by: Fortis88 It would just make sense. No, it really wouldn't. Do you mean drop a skill and get the SP back? Why would that make sense, and how would that not be a huge change to gameplay? I have to agree with Danika on this. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Nyalnara TAKAGI Corp Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.03.09 14:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Danika Princip No, it really wouldn't. Do you mean drop a skill and get the SP back? Why would that make sense, and how would that not be a huge change to gameplay? Totally agreeing. I fail to see how it would not be the worst possible thing... ________________________________________________________
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.09 15:04:00 - [5] lol. Sorry for the confusion. NO you would NOT get back SP. That is why it is a minor change. It is a functional change. very small.
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.09 15:09:00 - [6] I dont know why everyone went high and right on this. Nothing was said about SP being re-embursed. This has nothing to do with skill points. Stay focused on the topic at hand.
Rhondara Caldari Universal Freelance	Posted - 2011.03.09 15:59:00 - [7] So what you're suggesting is you should be able to unlearn skills WITHOUT getting the invested SP back? Then my question is: Why would you want such an option?
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.09 16:15:00 - [8] Those who would want such an option would be anyone who doesnt want a jumbled list of useless skills that the player has no intention of training.
Shaera Taam Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 16:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Fortis88 Those who would want such an option would be anyone who doesnt want a jumbled list of useless skills that the player has no intention of training. ive got a few skills i wouldnt mind getting rid of, and cant think of a simpler solution. even a 'hide skill' check-box would be harder to implement... supported
Rented	Posted - 2011.03.09 23:34:00 - [10] Sense does make not this.

Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.03.09 23:50:00 - [11] Oh great, another pointless, destructive option on right click. Genius. It should be put on the context menu right between "train now" and "train after current skill" too. Why not. It just makes sense.
Manalapan Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 23:56:00 - [12] I do not see the point. I usually do find the point too......... ------ Support Manalapan for CSM! Fixing EVE The Player That Makes EVE Stronger Manalapan Campaign
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.10 01:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Oh great, another pointless, destructive option on right click. Genius. It should be put on the context menu right between "train now" and "train after current skill" too. Why not. It just makes sense. In between your biting sarcasm, you make a good point. If a "Caution" window were to pop up after the "un-inject" button is selected, it would act as a safety net. This would be like the same caution windows that pop up when you try to attack a neutral target in high sec space. It still makes sense.
Manalapan Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.10 02:03:00 - [14] Why would you ever want to throw away skill points? Your example doesn't even make sense. ------ Support Manalapan for CSM! Fixing EVE The Player That Makes EVE Stronger Manalapan Campaign
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.10 02:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Manalapan Why would you ever want to throw away skill points? Your example doesn't even make sense. It does though. As stated in my original suggestion-many players are given default skills that they have not trained nor will ever train. You will not lose any skill points because you did not put any on it to begin with. So why have the skill? Makes sense to me.
Asa Tru	Posted - 2011.03.10 02:28:00 - [16] And only you.
tagen young The Night Witch	Posted - 2011.03.10 03:46:00 - [17] Supported. Caldari Industrial level 1 i'm looking at you.
Imigo Montoya Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.10 03:53:00 - [18] I can see why you might possibly want to do this for the limited benefit of being able to clear the trash out of your character sheet. However I like bang for your buck, and while this wouldn't take heaps of buck (ie development time) to implement, it also adds stuff all bang, so isn't really worth CCP or CSM time to take any further. Not supported.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.10 07:48:00 - [19] The only point to this I can see would be allowing players to transport valuable skillbooks for others in complete safety (inject skillbooks, podjump to alliance home, uninject, trade skillbooks to fellow players). I don't see why that would be a good thing. -----------------
Imigo Montoya Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.10 08:06:00 - [20] I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that the OP specifically wanted to get the skillbook back, I read it as just wanting to be able to remove the skill. Getting the skillbook back however would make this exploitable in the extreme.

Nyalnara TAKAGI Corp Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.03.10 09:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Imigo Montoya I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that the OP specifically wanted to get the skillbook back, I read it as just wanting to be able to remove the skill. Getting the skillbook back however would make this exploitable in the extreme. Why would we have the skill-book back? Because of the used term: "un-inject". Injecting a skill, you obtain a skill lvl0 and loose the skillbook. Un-injecting a skill, logically, would make you loose the skill, and gain a skillbook. Logically... ________________________________________________________
Natalia Kovac Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.03.10 09:16:00 - [22] I support being able to delete useless skills. What's the point of having a bunch of half-trained mining and industry skills from 2006 on a PVP char that hasn't used said skills for 5 years? We got the ability to delete old jumpclones, why not this? It's just a logical extension.
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.10 10:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Imigo Montoya I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that the OP specifically wanted to get the skillbook back, I read it as just wanting to be able to remove the skill. Getting the skillbook back however would make this exploitable in the extreme. Exactly. That is how it is intended. As stated above in my suggestion, once the skill is "uninjected", it goes to a separate deletion window where it sits for 24 hours. It cannot not be transferred or used from this deletion queue. Once 24 hours has passed, you can then confirm deletion or restore the injected skill. (Similar to the character deletion feature already used in the game.)
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.10 10:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Natalia Kovac I support being able to delete useless skills. What's the point of having a bunch of half-trained mining and industry skills from 2006 on a PVP char that hasn't used said skills for 5 years? We got the ability to delete old jumpclones, why not this? It's just a logical extension. It is logical. Thanks for the support.
Glando Nikal	Posted - 2011.03.10 11:00:00 - [25] My only issue with this is account hacking. What would stop someone who hacks your account from just deleting all your skills?
Nyalnara TAKAGI Corp Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.03.10 12:32:00 - [26] If you manage to hack an account, just sell all characters, it's not worth deleting them once the original owner can't get his account back... ________________________________________________________
Nyalnara TAKAGI Corp Ares Protectiva	Posted - 2011.03.10 12:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Fortis88 Originally by: Imigo Montoya I'm not sure where anybody got the idea that the OP specifically wanted to get the skillbook back, I read it as just wanting to be able to remove the skill. Getting the skillbook back however would make this exploitable in the extreme. Exactly. That is how it is intended. As stated above in my suggestion, once the skill is "uninjected", it goes to a separate deletion window where it sits for 24 hours. It cannot not be transferred or used from this deletion queue. Once 24 hours has passed, you can then confirm deletion or restore the injected skill. (Similar to the character deletion feature already used in the game.) Now, i do agree with your idea, since it's clear of misunderstanding. ________________________________________________________
De'Veldrin Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2011.03.10 13:48:00 - [28] Revising my original opinion, since it is now more clear to me what you are actually asking for. I don't see a problem with it, but I also don't see the need. Deleting a skill (un-injecting is not a good word for this - it has connotations involving skill books that you probably didn't intend) simply for the sake of the appearance of your character sheet is a bit like ironing your bed sheets in the morning so they'll lay flatter on your bed. You think it looks nice, but no one else really cares about your sheets (bed, character, or any other). --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Fortis88	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:45:00 - [29] Now, i do agree with your idea, since it's clear of misunderstanding. Thank you for your support.
Shandir Minmatar EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.03.10 18:00:00 - [30] Edited by: Shandir on 10/03/2011 18:06:49 Can I just lend you some Tipp-Ex for your monitor? I genuinely can't understand why having a couple of 'not so useful' skills is bothering you so much. OCD? I can, however, see how this could be: a waste of time and a horrible thing to misclick. It just seems like only a very small number of players could possibly want this self-nerf feature unless there is some kind of benefit to balance it out. And none of the benefits are a good idea. Seems like asking for the option to send your isk to /dev/null just to make it a round number. - Vote Trebor Daehdoow for CSM and Chairman of CSM. Trebor's Campaign Manifesto



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