That schedule probably needs to be updated due to the fact that the 'winners' are announced at the FanFest keynote, which will be taking place later in April as part of CCP's 10 year anniversary.

Why was self-destruct nerfed and what does the CSM think about it?

What are the CSM's opinions on the Ethnic Relations skill removal/change?

What does the CSM think about the way the new barge/exhumer attributes were applied to the old models?

I think the following post points out really well why the populous needs educating on the CSM

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149540&find=unread

And these people are the forum users not the 70% who don't use the forums.

Like I have said before at CSM election time I would like everyone to actually have to go to a site with a blurb about the CSM and its function and 2 big buttons, abstain and Vote.

That way people might actually figure out what the CSM do or at least what number CSM we are up to.

There won't be anymore 'minutes' before the winter expansion and the CSM doesn't control CCP Marketing so I really have no idea what we will see them put out there.



Let me make a point that should be a bit more obvious: CCP is in the middle of planning a massive re-work of starbases / POSs. I wish I could talk more about their specific plans but I think it's safe for me to say that they are... comprehensive, and the CSM is giving lots of full-throated advice on that front. If you aren't happy with the way the current system works, there is light on the horizon. It doesn't mean that other changes can't happen right now, and they can be asked for, but there are lots of "no brainer" things in the backlog that are all competing for the same pool of resources.

Pretty disappointing considering yourself, Hans and Two Step all agreed before and during voting week that these things needed looking at, and you would make it so this time around - and they aren't even mentioned in the minutes at all.

Frankly, I'm sick of posting up this stuff 50 different times in an attempt to get a straight answer out of you regarding topics you were very adamant about during voting week - I don't delete my mail, so I have all of it from that time period. Every time I ask a question, you say "look, shiny stuff you got last month and more coming".

Either - you lied or rather "misspoke" as politicians never lie, you ****** up along the lines of unified inventory and forgot, or you have just decided since that you just don't really give a ****.

I must say, at least with Mittani he didn't try all these political games and would just come out and say "**** you and your miners" or some such and he'd have done that during vote week, not 6 months later. And I'm no fan of his.

Thanks for the insight. Hope your relationship with CCP is great, and you have some wonderful pictures from Iceland from all this.

I think it's great that people who are bad at EVE can't SD their way out of stuff. v0v

It was a bad / dumb skill. I also think racial diversity in corps is good.

About the barges/exhumers, don't you think they kinda rushed it? IMO It looks a bit ugly. There were less ugly solutions possible by just switching the models, or just using Hulk/Covetor model variations for all the ships. Here, let me explain by linking this post of mine.
Combat pilots, who have a far larger field of ships to choose for get new ship( model)s quite frequently, and now the miners, who mostly have only a few ships designed for them and only have Orca as something new, have to do with badly repurposed, "second hand stuff" with old models that no longer really fit what the new designs are about.

Mining

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Mining in its current form is a soul draining, time vampire of an activity. I'd like to see mining become more interactive and require some form of actual DOING SOMETHING.

I'd like to see bigger rocks.
I'd like to see rocks with variable mineral content.
I'd like to see rocks with multiple layers / densities. (zomg, what if there is Kernite, Omber and morphite in the center?!")
I'd like to see finite resources of things like moon goo have a % chance to be in a rock.
I'd like to see skills affect the amounts / types of minerals you could extract from a rock.
I'd like to see planetary ring mining.
I'd like to see comet mining.
I'd like to mine / hollow out a giant asteroid and make a home there to live out of.
I'd like to see a variance in the 'purity' of minerals that are mined where some veldspar is worth more.
I'd like to see that same Veldspar refined into Tritanium that gives a ship 10% more hit points due to it's pure qualities...
... IF you had the proper skills to use the proper blueprint that allowed you to take advantage of the improved alloys.

That kind of stuff. That's what I'd like to see happen with mining.

http://gaff.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/thats-a-big-spodumain/

It is kind of funny to look at. Reading the article makes it sound, like everyone is too greedy down there for better ores. Be a hard problem to fix.

http://gaff.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/thats-a-big-spodumain/

It is kind of funny to look at. Reading the article makes it sound, like everyone is too greedy down there for better ores. Be a hard problem to fix.

Low sec mining suffers from middle child syndrome.

In order to mine efficently in low sec, one needs a larger operation. Orca + Several barges + full security team. Any fewer miners and the operation isn't worth the security team's time. Any fewer security people and the operation is vulnerable.

If you can assemble such a team, you're better off mining in null or in a WH for the ABCs. If you can't or are solo, you'll make more in high sec simply because you lose a lot less time/isk to piracy (or guarding against it) compared to low sec.


That said, I think we'll naturally see some miners migrate to low sec. With the removal of meta 0 loot drops and drone poo, the availability of rare minerals like Zyd and Mega in high sec will sharply decrease as those minerals cannot be gained from High Sec mining alone.

That doesn't solve the logistics headache but the person who can balance the risk/reward of low sec can stand to make a bundle.

Dude, please join me on the "Add ABC ores to lowsec" warpath.

My thinking goes like this...

CCP are adding "ring mining" to 0.0 to enable the current moon goo materials to be mined in barges (of some kind *shrug*).

This indeed paves the way for ABC ores in my opinion to be added to low-sec.

This will give industry corps a clear path from high-sec, to low-sec, to 0.0. They would also be valued allies in all areas of space instead of the 2nd class citizens they are at the moment.

Grav sites - please get rid of the huge spodumain rocks. When a combat ship does a site he can finish it in 15 minutes. When 4-5 of us go into a grav site, we often can't finish it in the 3 days it exists and most of that time is completely wasted on the spodumain. At least low-end ores would be somewhat useful for building.

POS's need to be looked at in order to fix the current system of pos refining also - either get rid of the timer or lower the % of loss. I understand the % of loss better than the timer. Considering the CPU and PG it takes to put one in a POS it should be instant or have no loss - both systems limit the number of minerals maximum which might be put through an intensive refinery.

There are many other changes which could be looked at in the areas of invention, production, station slots, empire POS's etc also.

We need *1* industrial expansion to implement a lot of this and just "get it done".

Yeah with the low price for spodumain, I see your point it would be an easy and probably a good fix. I suppose not enough people mine in low sec so not much attention gets brought to it. (Plus probably evil to your eyes, the bang for buck thing I read ccp dev teams work with, might make it harder to get fixed, but would make more sense.)

I actually feel dumb really to tell ya the truth, With ore prices the way they are it doesn't really matter. I really need to change that perspective of lower and null roids more valuable. Seems any ideas with mining is ********. Just mine in hi-sec. Trade for null sec minerals.

Or if that fails, do you think Seleene, if the null sec miners would be too busy ring mining, they would no longer have time to mine ABC ores? Or do you think null residents or WH residents could mine enough rings as well as ABC ores?

Right now a mining corp that wishes to move from empire to lowsec ends up having those other issues I've arleady brought up about a million times - 75% refineries, spodzilla spodumain rocks.

So I mostly ask Seleene, if he could give us a quick overview if one is possible of ring mining. I heard some crazy stuff about it and now too confused about it.

Or if that fails, do you think Seleene, if the null sec miners would be too busy ring mining, they would no longer have time to mine ABC ores? Or do you think null residents or WH residents could mine enough rings as well as ABC ores?

Rev, saying I want something is one thing. Saying that I will push for it is fine. But you seem to be very confused about what a CSM member can MAKE happen. I said that I would push for it and I have. So have other CSM members. Cripes, even Elise wants some of this stuff for his own reasons. You are upset that something you and I both want won't be in the winter expansion. Fine. But that doesn't mean it's not being discussed or pushed for, and stop ignoring the potential for what is coming in the POS re-vamp along with ring-mining (which I'll talk about in a minute). Lastly, stop rambling on because you think the CSM has superpowers beyond being an advocacy group and community liaisons. When I can talk more about the increased "powers" we have a stakeholders I will, but you ARE confused about the role of the CSM, and I'm trying to explain that to you (along with how our communications work) but you seem too determined to be mad to listen. Believe what you will, it won't change my stance or desires (which are very similar to your own). v0v

If you cannot push CCP in a direction because that direction requires immediate attention despite what their plans for the next 2 years - and let's face it - that's what you're telling us about - 2 years in the future for some of this stuff, then I don't see the point of the CSM at all.

Edit: Just check it out http://seleenes-sandbox.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/csm-7-spring-summit-review-part-i.html 6-7 pics of the marketing guy, 1 or none each other ccp employee, marketing was a big facet of the talks I'm guessing ? Or at least being handled by him..