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Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 396	Posted - 2012.08.29 20:23:00 - [1] - Quote Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Le'Mon Tichim Immortal Syndicate 29	Posted - 2012.08.29 21:36:00 - [2] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. They just balanced the scale, and now you want to tip it over? Legion is best T3
Yokai Mitsuhide Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2012.08.29 21:54:00 - [3] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. I would love larger ORE ships. Mining is all I care to do in EVE so yeah...more ships to train for would be wonderful :)
Paikis Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 135	Posted - 2012.08.29 21:55:00 - [4] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. Genius idea! Let's drive the price of minerals down even further! That way I can buy cheaper ships to pew with!
Yokai Mitsuhide Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2012.08.29 22:01:00 - [5] - Quote Paikis wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. Genius idea! Let's drive the price of minerals down even further! That way I can buy cheaper ships to pew with! Come on, we don't have enough mining ships to choose from...there has to be a way to release more variety of ships for us miners without it destroying mineral prices.
Metal Icarus Endless Destruction 268	Posted - 2012.08.29 22:42:00 - [6] - Quote How else are they going to satisfy the end game's thirst for capitals? I mean, eventually, it is going to get silly....
Alexa Coates Predominate It's Not Fair 169	Posted - 2012.08.29 22:45:00 - [7] - Quote Paikis wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner. Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long. Awesomesauce. Genius idea! Let's drive the price of minerals down even further! That way I can buy cheaper ships to pew with! I'm not seeing a problem here. Even me, a miner, would like lower prices. I mean why the ** are tier 1 bs's still 80m even months after the stupid goons are done with their stupid **. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships!
Paikis Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking 137	Posted - 2012.08.30 02:55:00 - [8] - Quote Metal Icarus wrote: How else are they going to satisfy the end game's thirst for capitals? I mean, eventually, it is going to get silly.... This is EVE, there is no end game.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 166	Posted - 2012.08.30 03:05:00 - [9] - Quote As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea... I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available. The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument. There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Dibblerette The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY 87	Posted - 2012.08.30 05:27:00 - [10] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea... I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available. The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument. quick! Someone take a picture! But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package. EDIT: But obviously your gank hits the asteroids for tons of damage, instead of mining hull like I prefer.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 155	Posted - 2012.08.30 05:52:00 - [11] - Quote Dibblerette wrote: But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package. Do you know who were the ones causing EHP buff for barges/exhumers? Yes, you kids. Suicide ganking isn't supposed to be profession like it used to be before 1.2 patch. It's still possible to gank barges/exhumers. You just need moar deeps.
Digg Kula DK Laboratory 1	Posted - 2012.08.30 10:18:00 - [12] - Quote No current barges are enough. We already sit at a belt doing nothing.
Songbird 59	Posted - 2012.08.30 12:09:00 - [13] - Quote Digg, whatcha need is Incursion mining - maybe devs can do for miners what they did for lvl 4 farmers :). Travel the galaxy , new system every week , mine precious (maybe comet ) ore , hire logistic ships for reps and combat ships for protection, and hauler ships for the ore - oh the carebearness of it all...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9290	Posted - 2012.08.30 12:24:00 - [14] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Suicide ganking isn't supposed to be profession like it used to be before 1.2 patch. Of course it is. That's why it didn't change with 1.2. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 397	Posted - 2012.08.30 13:06:00 - [15] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea... I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available. The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument. I just want MAX size.... Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 20	Posted - 2012.08.30 14:30:00 - [16] - Quote After mining is making stuff. And you're trying to over-engineer "pick up shiny rock."
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.08.30 14:48:00 - [17] - Quote I like the idea of ORE fleets with more balance... it seems to me that ORE should have a bigger line of ships, the issue is what do they do and why are they in existence. Low sec to me seems an obvious place to put the purpose but not sure what it would be... some kind of stealth miner, or a WH probe miner, or a gas harvester, or ore/ice support mining vessel, a Miner-mother ship, etc... IDK personally what would be a good idea here specifically but I could see it... I wouldn't mind the idea of a low sec T2 version of the orca, give it jump engines like a jump freighter, nerf it's cargo down to something say to support 4 Skiff or 2 Mack/Hulks in crystals and gear needed (specifically modules for mining, say swapping of ore to ice strips, replacement drones, etc... bascially it's a small stock of on-grid supplies for the fleet to operate for extended time in low w/o needing to dock... Give it a huge Ore bay because it's purpose is basically, to collect up all the ore and the ships docking in it can't dock with ore in it... so perhaps 140km3 (4x macks, that is 2x loads per held), and enough jump fuel to cover and in and out jump. It basically jumps in to a space (so I guess you need a ORE cyno ship (hey another idea... something ORE might develope on there own, specifically for covertly searching for grav sites, and then lighting a cyno, but not like a covert ops but specifically to getting at the ore)... and this ship then jumps in, its pilots take the ships out (prob Skiffs) and start in on things, dump the ore into the bay, wrap up the op and dock and the ship jumps back out... could be very interesting. Another might be a ORE "carrier" using Miner Drones as the means to miner - making a ORE "fighter" sized Mining Drone, it could make for an interesting tree to use carrier/capital skills for mining, making the end-game perhaps as a Miner Capital(ist...lol) with a bigger version of the ship above but again these ships will not add anything like the exhumers do in ore harvesting they just allow for support of them in ways we don't have atm... but can do with other ship... for example you can fit out a carrier with miner IIs, and hold ships and jump and all.. but your doing something like a BS-miner... it's not designed it's ad-hoc... ORE prob could/should/would have build ships of there own specific needs in mind.... rather than use other navies hulls... so maybe, could be interesting if CCP did some more ships of that type... def would make the skill tree flower. Look at all the Macks in local...impressive... very impressive... I see you have fashioned a new exhumer... much like you father's... your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen...
Piugattuk CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES 33	Posted - 2012.08.30 14:57:00 - [18] - Quote no, no, no, NO, NO, HEEHAW, HEEHAW, HEEHAW!!!! the only industrial ship that is viable would be a gas mining ship, otherwise ship line up (ESP) the revamped barges and exhumers are purrrrfect.
Aurelius Valentius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:05:00 - [19] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: no, no, no, NO, NO, HEEHAW, HEEHAW, HEEHAW!!!! the only industrial ship that is viable would be a gas mining ship, otherwise ship line up (ESP) the revamped barges and exhumers are purrrrfect. Not true at all, you should read all the posts before posting not just the OP... ORE def could make many more types of ship... the factions navies full of ships that ORE would prob design a ORE version of, CCP just hasn't put them in... read my post on just one idea... Look at all the Macks in local...impressive... very impressive... I see you have fashioned a new exhumer... much like you father's... your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen...
Yokai Mitsuhide FullMetal Miners 1211	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:06:00 - [20] - Quote Dibblerette wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea... I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available. The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument. quick! Someone take a picture! But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package. EDIT: But obviously your gank hits the asteroids for tons of damage, instead of mining hull like I prefer. You also have hundreds of ships to choose from, we have 3 barges and 3 exhumers.
CorInaXeraL Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz 168	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:13:00 - [21] - Quote Yokai Mitsuhide wrote: You also have hundreds of ships to choose from, we have 3 barges and 3 exhumers. And a Noctis, and an Orca, and a Rorqal, and...aren't there other ORE ships beyond the barges? Though, to be fair, if you really wanted some massive mining ship, just get Chribba's setup for the Veldatar and unleash the mining swarm of drones. Or there's also the Veldnaughts... EVE was never meant to be a 'sit and mine' game. It's Pew-Pews in Space. Hence why there's a massive imbalance of Combat/Recon/Scout/Probe/Kaboom-yo ships to Rockmunchers. I wouldn't complain too much. Last thing the mining community will need is a big ship that just siphons up belts and chews them in its hold. Then you'd complain the price of minerals is too low to sustain your lifestyle.
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:18:00 - [22] - Quote Yokai Mitsuhide wrote: Dibblerette wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea... I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available. The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument. quick! Someone take a picture! But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package. EDIT: But obviously your gank hits the asteroids for tons of damage, instead of mining hull like I prefer. You also have hundreds of ships to choose from, we have 3 barges and 3 exhumers. Combat ship also have dozens of different role to be fullfilled while we really only have 3 currently. Come up with more role definition and maybe they will release ship for this role. Just make a bigger one makes no sense.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 399	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:35:00 - [23] - Quote If you ask me, CCP didn't do things right with the Barge changes. Instead of making the existing Barges so much tougher of a nut to crack, they should've added Battleship-sized Barges/Exhumers. Though I guess doing new models and stuff takes too much effort. Or perhaps the Hulk should've been Battleship-sized from the get-go. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Veryez Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.08.30 15:45:00 - [24] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: I'm not seeing a problem here. Even me, a miner, would like lower prices. I mean why the ** are tier 1 bs's still 80m even months after the stupid goons are done with their stupid **. The price increase had little to do with goons or hulkageddon, what you're seeing is the result of multiple nerfs to mission loot and the removal of drone alloys.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 20	Posted - 2012.08.30 16:08:00 - [25] - Quote Ugh. A number of you don't understand the point of the barge changes and a number of you don't understand mining. The barge changes were a part of the Tier-icide effort, the ongoing changes to ships to make them all viable and worth flying. When you can mine peacefully without interruption, the only thing that matters is your effective yield. If a large hull with a superior mining yield existed, miners would only undock in that.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 400	Posted - 2012.08.30 16:22:00 - [26] - Quote Hypercake Mix wrote: Ugh. A number of you don't understand the point of the barge changes and a number of you don't understand mining. The barge changes were a part of the Tier-icide effort, the ongoing changes to ships to make them all viable and worth flying. When you can mine peacefully without interruption, the only thing that matters is your effective yield. If a large hull with a superior mining yield existed, miners would only undock in that. I agree with the first part of your post, but not the second. With the introduction of Ore Holds, max yield is no longer the sole concern when picking your Barge/Exhumer. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Shereza Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2012.08.30 17:25:00 - [27] - Quote I have a solution to the "I wanna 8 laser mining ship!!!" issue. Fly a rokh. Conversely petition CCP to go through with the logical steps of ORE cruisers and ORE battleships. An ORE battleship with say 20% less mining yield than a skiff but with, for example, 100mb/3 drone capacity, fairly comparable base HP values, 2 extra low slots and mid slots would make for an interesting setup. I'm all for variety and having choices, but going by what I've read one of those choices will never be a ship that fits 4+ strip miners. If you want to fit more mining lasers than a hulk you're going to have to resort to standard turret-based lasers and "normal" ship hulls to get it don. I see no value in trying to discuss "super hulks" when an ORE rokh would be much more likely, and practical.
Huttan Funaila 222 EVE 2 2 2 13	Posted - 2012.08.30 17:50:00 - [28] - Quote If you want 8 mining lasers, there is the Mining Machariel of Hek.
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2012.08.30 18:02:00 - [29] - Quote Huttan Machs only have 7 turret slots..... making it even more of a lulz mining platform. I will again agree that we don't need any bigger ships. That means lower mineral prices, and I'll make less mining. You see, I'm mining right now as I type this. I mine as I browse memebase and the rest of the internet, I had stopped mining for a long time, as shuttling cargo to a jetcan took too much work and this is supposed to be passive ISK. I also havent trained any ming skills in a while, and I don't want to train more. What I like about the last patch, is I can go out in a cheap retreiver, and get nearly the equivalent of my old covetor's mining output No more jet cans to fill, as I have the capacity of a jetcan in my retreiver. Just retarget when I hear "The asteroid is depleted" and dock every 25 minutes to half hour... its a deserted system... and an hour of mining like this will pay for any losses incurred. Basically, I can waste time on the internet with just interruptions at half hour intervals, and plex my account. Larger mining barges would hurt my present easy as S**t mining income.
Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 400	Posted - 2012.08.30 18:07:00 - [30] - Quote Shereza wrote: I have a solution to the "I wanna 8 laser mining ship!!!" issue. Fly a rokh. . Because Rohks can fit Barge/Exhumer laz0rs. thumbsup And where did I say 8 laz0rs in the first place? I just want bigger ship Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.

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