Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner.

Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long.

Awesomesauce.

Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner.

Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long.

Awesomesauce.

Think we will ever see them? The current Barges/Exhumers are all technically Cruiser or Medium-sized. Since once you get into a Hulk or a Mackinaw you're pretty much done as far as training for pure mining ships go, having Large-sized Barges/Exhumers would not only be pretty cool, but would allow you to advance further as a miner.

Imagine a big fat Hulk-looking ship roughly 1km long.

Awesomesauce.

Genius idea! Let's drive the price of minerals down even further! That way I can buy cheaper ships to pew with!

Genius idea! Let's drive the price of minerals down even further! That way I can buy cheaper ships to pew with!

How else are they going to satisfy the end game's thirst for capitals?

I mean, eventually, it is going to get silly....

As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea...

I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available.

The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument.

But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package.

Suicide ganking isn't supposed to be profession like it used to be before 1.2 patch.

As a miner myself I think this is a bad idea...

I am ashamed to say that miners in general whined and whinged their way to the current changes instead of adapting and overcoming with the tools available.

The 6 (8 if you wanna include the Orca & the Rorqual) mining ships we have now are sufficiently different to promote the use of different classes and may even encourage some miners to branch out and move around a bit, instead of the usual "I want MAX yeild and MAX cargo, and MAX tank" argument.

no, no, no, NO, NO, HEEHAW, HEEHAW, HEEHAW!!!! the only industrial ship that is viable would be a gas mining ship, otherwise ship line up (ESP) the revamped barges and exhumers are purrrrfect.

quick! Someone take a picture!

But seriously, glad to see that at least some of you miners (sorry if you're not (but more sorry if you are!)) can see our side of things. I mean, when I fit up a pvp ship, I'm consciously choosing to focus on either gank or tank. You guys pretty much got the whole enchilada in one easy to use, harder to gank package.

EDIT: But obviously your gank hits the asteroids for tons of damage, instead of mining hull like I prefer.

You also have hundreds of ships to choose from, we have 3 barges and 3 exhumers.

You also have hundreds of ships to choose from, we have 3 barges and 3 exhumers.

I'm not seeing a problem here. Even me, a miner, would like lower prices. I mean why the **** are tier 1 bs's still 80m even months after the stupid goons are done with their stupid ****.

Ugh. A number of you don't understand the point of the barge changes and a number of you don't understand mining.

The barge changes were a part of the Tier-icide effort, the ongoing changes to ships to make them all viable and worth flying.

When you can mine peacefully without interruption, the only thing that matters is your effective yield. If a large hull with a superior mining yield existed, miners would only undock in that.

I have a solution to the "I wanna 8 laser mining ship!!!" issue. Fly a rokh.
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If all you want is different/bigger ships, but with the same yields/ore holds/tanks, I'm all for it.

BS is getting a little too silly though.

Why exactly is it silly? Industrial stuff tend to get reaaaal big because bigger is usually more efficient.

Why exactly is it silly? Industrial stuff tend to get reaaaal big because bigger is usually more efficient.

Yeah, refinery or, on a stretch (very long stretch) mobile production facilities, perhaps for deeper WH exploration and exploitation would be about it. Your roles would all be met.

POS? Yeah, the refinery modules are ****, but they're somewhat "mobile" bases for manufacturing (in the sense they can be torn down and set up somewhere else).

EVE was never meant to be a 'sit and mine' game. It's Pew-Pews in Space. Hence why there's a massive imbalance of Combat/Recon/Scout/Probe/Kaboom-yo ships to Rockmunchers.

Actually it was meant to be a "sit and mine" game when you play as a miner.

You can't blame miners for playing the game exactly how CCP designed it.

[quote=Yokai Mitsuhide]




EVE was never meant to be a 'sit and mine' game. It's Pew-Pews in Space.

Who do you think gathers the material to build all your combat ships?

I'm not seeing a problem here. Even me, a miner, would like lower prices. I mean why the **** are tier 1 bs's still 80m even months after the stupid goons are done with their stupid ****.

Because Rohks can fit Barge/Exhumer laz0rs. *thumbsup*

And where did I say 8 laz0rs in the first place?

I just want bigger ship

*thumbsup*

#1 Where did I even remotely indicate I was responding to you?
#2 For most people bigger = more slots = more pretty lights = more things in high slots making pretty lights = more mining lasers for mining ships. The number of people who would, strictly for an extreme example, want a ship with the HP, cargo, fitting capacity, and slot layout of a frigate but the size of a dreadnought is astonishingly small, and the numbers don't go up appreciably as the size goes down.

But hey, way to go there on the whole taking a tongue-in-cheek response out of context and ignoring the rest in order to try to invalidate a perfectly constructive post on providing a "bigger mining ship" that would actually fit within the current EVE lineup. Um, how did it go? Oh, yes.



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On a more constructive note, how about this for a "larger" mining ship?

Name : Kraken
Class : ORE Battleship

Shield HP : 7500
Armor HP : 5000
Hull HP : 8500

High Slots : 8
Mid Slots : 6
Low Slots : 4
Turret Hardpoints : 4
Launcher Hardpoints : 4

Powergrid : 1000mw
CPU : 700tf

Drone Bay : 150m3
Bandwidth : 50m3

Maximum Target Range : 50km
Max Locked Targets : 5
Scan Resolution : 90mm
Magnetometric Sensor Strength : 18

Mass : 105m kg
Packaged Volume : 55km3
Volume : 575km3
Signature radius : 500m
Inertia Modifier : .15
Velocity : 70m/s
Warp Speed : 2.7 AU/s
Cargo Capaciity : 400m3
Ore Hold : 4000m3

Role bonuses : 100% increase in the yield and 25% increase in the range of mining lasers.
ORE Battleship bonuses. 2.5%/level reduction in heavy, heavy assault, and rapid light launcher cycle time and 5%/level increase in drone damage, HP, and mining yield.

Somewhat more EHP than a skiff, an offensive punch, it's big, it's fat, and it's slow. It's a civilian battleship, if you don't consider the terms to be mutually contradictory. The rorqual sets a precedent for the drone bonus. The mining laser bonus should let them effectively field 8 lasers with 4 turrets at a range, with T2 miners, comparable to strip miners thereby reducing any strains that the shorter-ranged turret-based mining lasers might impose. The launcher bonuses and hardpoints are in place because it's more practical, and interesting, than trying to work the ship around 8 turrent hardpoints while the rorqual sets a precedent for the drone bonuses. The low bonuses, half that of comparable bonuses on "real" combat ships, should also accurately reflect the ship's civilian origins while still making it useful. The large amount of hull HP reflects its OREgins, so to speak, while the slot layout ought to give it reasonable options for mining yield, tanking, and so on.

Just a thought. /shrugs. Edit: Lowered grid because I can't really see 1k base being used short of buffer tanking and more would probably be wasted.

+ -1 Epic Fail ... because we do not need "buff's" to yield... we need ships that do things the current exhumers don't do...

1. ORE transport ship - Rebuild the Orce with a smaller cargo bay(s), put in a larger ore bay and optimize it as a HS command ship/ore bucket it's supposed to be, this puts Freighters back as big cargo haulers... Orca can haul huge amounts of ore this way and haul ORE (or other rigged) ships as a side function.

2. Gas Harvester

3. ORE Drone miner ship maybe - something like an Orca with a Heavy mining drone option - like old day carrier mining, give it jump drives and a maint bay also and allow it to jump ore fleets into and out of a system using a...

...4. ORE covert recon ship - also used in WH mining... Reply: Incidentally, I'd like to see something like this myself, and I've posted so elsewhere IIRC

5. WH miner ships

...etc... NO buffs to yield...