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Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:54:00 -
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Dispatch from Perimeter - Caldari Navy HQ.
The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization has allied itself with sworn enemies of the Caldari State, and is actively promoting Gallente ideals such as virile liberalism.
In light of recent developments within said rogue Caldari entity, you are hereby authorized and encouraged to declare your war mutual.
This flirtation with the Gallente will only lead to debauchery and pompous waste. Show them the error of their ways.
The State expects every Corporation to do it's duty.
-- End Transmission --
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:57:00 -
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I hereby challenge a representative of the Caldari Navy with access to such documents to produce this dispatch to both the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive and an authorized agent of the Caldari Business Tribunal; this dispatch may be fraudulent.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:58:00 -
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We are nice people, so all Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive members will be vaporized and the remains of their ships will be donated to the good cause!
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Veni'vidi Vixit
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Chicken W1ng We are nice people, so all Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive members will be vaporized and the remains of their ships will be donated to the good cause!
Signed.
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FIRST GENERAL
Amarr Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: FIRST GENERAL on 30/03/2011 20:35:55 Edited by: FIRST GENERAL on 30/03/2011 20:32:47
Originally by: Yo****aka Moromuo I hereby challenge a representative of the Caldari Navy with access to such documents to produce this dispatch to both the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive and an authorized agent of the Caldari Business Tribunal; this dispatch may be fraudulent.
As i'm sure everybody will understand we cannot reveal our contacts within Caldari Navy. You may therefore challenge what you wish - what you however cannot deny is the fact that you are at heart gallente sympathizers. You jump at the first occasion into bed with a sworn enemy of the State and yet claim yourselves to be loyal to it?!
Noteworthy also how John Revenent Originally by: John Revenent I am John Revenent, Founder and Executor of the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive for two years. We are supporters of Caldari Liberalism, that actively combat piracy/terrorism in the Caldari State, and in other Ishukone influences.. Our more peaceful operations are: Conducting Trade, Regional Economic Stimulation, and establishing free market ideals throughout New Eden.
uses smoke and mirrors to operate within the State by claiming himself allied or working for Ishukone by proxy. Their self-proclaimed leader and defender of the State does not only try to encourage Liberalism throughout all of New Eden but even encourages all his industry to operate in Gallente space.
The State does not condone such actions and our Caldari Navy contact has assured us of their full material support in the war against John Revenents Rogue Group.
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:38:00 -
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Nice to see that John Revenant is still fighting pirates.
'Pirates' being any form of competition or challenge. I wish Wolfsbrigade the best of luck in fending them off. ---
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:45:00 -
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I can confirm the authenticity of this dispatch. Intelligence sources recently confirmed that the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization has indeed instigated positive standings with corporations that fight on behalf of the Federal Defence Union. In doing so, they have committed an act of treason against the Caldari State and I hereby authorize the full force of the Caldari militia to enact a declaration of war against these traitors. They have betrayed the State and slandered it's name and we will not tolerate these actions.
To cite an official public press release from sworn enemies of the State in all it's glory, "Quantum Cats Syndicate Commanders announced, in a small press conference held at the Duvolle Laboratories Station in Heydieles Moon 19, a cease-fire and non-hostilities agreement with Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive. A decision approved by the FDU Command Staff."
It is clear that these traitors are betraying that which the Caldari State stands for, and we must act with the might of the Caldari Militia forces behind us in following the wise words of Kalaakiota CEO Matias Sobaseki.
"Slowly but surely we are betraying the legacy left to us, the children of the Raata. The light of the Caldari spirit grows ever darker under the encroaching shadow of our would-be masters. Our very identity as a people is being subsumed by the Federation and we must act to preserve it." - Excerpt from a National Address, delivered by Kalaakiota CEO Matias Sobaseki. CE 23154.6.26
Thereby, I empower fellow corporations acting with the State's interests to declare war on the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization, within the authorization of CONCORD, on behalf of the State Protectorate. The State Protectorate commissions and sanctions this enactment of war.
Sincerely, JT133
Brigadier General Caldari State
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Creetalor
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:49:00 -
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Honor isn't about making the right choice its about dealing with the consequences. There is a fine line between right and wrong and you sir have crossed the line to the wrong ,opening fire on a Pro Caldari Orginisation under a false blue flag, now you will deal with the consequences.
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Carthas Kei
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Carthas Kei on 30/03/2011 21:13:31
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Capitol One
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Creetalor Honor isn't about making the right choice its about dealing with the consequences. There is a fine line between right and wrong and you sir have crossed the line to the wrong ,opening fire on a Pro Caldari Orginisation under a false blue flag, now you will deal with the consequences.
On the contrary, Miss Creetalor of the "Revenent Defence Corperation", honor is about retaining ones integrity, about upholding the principles upon which you live by, it is certainly not about throwing the most basic morals to the wind and committing piracy in the name of "dealing with consequences". That, dear Creetalor, is nothing but hypocrisy at its best.
You preach against piracy, and yet you pirate. In my hands I have intelligence that shows clearly, members of the "Revenent Defence Corperation" attacking and killing pilots, who are fighting on the behalf of the Caldari State. Files sent to me by an anonymous CONCORD representative list members of your corporation committing global criminal acts of violence repeatedly in the Black Rise region.
Thus, in light of this intelligence and recent statements of alliances with the [QCATS] of the Federation, one can but wonder if the "Revenent Defence Corperation" of the "Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive" is covertly acting on the behalf of Gallente Federation, seeking to undermine Caldari State war efforts. Such acts are frowned upon and seen as acts of treachery by the Caldari State Protectorate, the Caldari Navy, and other Corps aligned with the State.
Therefore, I call out to my fellow patriots, members of the State, to rise up against these terrorists and act in accordance with CONCORD law and wardecc the "Revenent Defence Corperation" and help fight against them and their Gallente masters.
Respectfully, Capitol One Brigadier General Wolfsbrigade Caldari State
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:15:00 -
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Pirates crying for help?
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Creetalor
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Creetalor on 30/03/2011 21:25:05
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On the contrary, Miss Creetalor of the "Revenent Defence Corperation", honor is about retaining ones integrity, about upholding the principles upon which you live by, it is certainly not about throwing the most basic morals to the wind and committing piracy in the name of "dealing with consequences". That, dear Creetalor, is nothing but hypocrisy at its best.
You preach against piracy, and yet you pirate. In my hands I have intelligence that shows clearly, members of the "Revenent Defence Corperation" attacking and killing pilots, who are fighting on the behalf of the Caldari State. Files sent to me by an anonymous CONCORD representative list members of your corporation committing global criminal acts of violence repeatedly in the Black Rise region.
Your so called anomynous CONCORD representative should double check his logs and get the SCC log of cash flow ,as the pilot that was accidentally killed during the Black Rise operation under a state of confusion has been fully reimbursed by the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive of the total cost of his ship and modules fitted to the ship!
Confirmed by the Executor himself.
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Executor: 2011-03-29 01:55:26 Neutral Pilot.. Loss Was Reimbursed.
Creedance Shora Talor Executor Assistant I-RED Chusa
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:24:00 -
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Creetalor, it appears that you have fell under the influence and false pretences of your leaders. There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
It was in fact the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization that laid the first blow according CONCORD officials. On the 02-March-112, a member of [I-RED] engaged a pilot in a Hawk in the Tama solar system who was acting under the collective name of the State Protectorate. Citation: Here
Furthermore, [I-RED] engaged against two further pilots of the State Protectorate on the 13-March-112, and another on the 14-March-112. Citations: Here and here. Also, here.
Our position as an enforcment arm of the Caldari State is clear, and it is part of our mandate to protect members of the State Protectorate from pirates roaming around in Caldari low-security space. Your presence in our space is unlawful and as such we were obliged to retaliate against your treasonous actions. Hence, on the 16-March-112, we engaged a pirate fleet under your name. Citation: Here.
The blue standings which claim to have had were non-existant, however, even if your claims had have had merit - your deceit and mutiny would have voided the terms of any such agreement, declaring it null and void.
You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State. We will defend it against your herecy, and you shall incur hefty losses in your feeble attempt to deceive your members of your new alliance the Gallente.
"We will not permit you to tell us how to be Caldari, and so you leave us with no choice." - Excerpt from the Caldari Proclamation of Secession. CE 23154.11.22
JT133
Brigadier General Caldari State
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: JT133 There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
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Originally by: JT133 You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State.
No honor in war...yet you defend honor in war. You might want to consider your words more carefully if you plan to win any type of public relations campaign. Your inconsistent statements are already stacking against you.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:32:00 -
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In light of recent re-establishment of diplomatic ties with I-RED, any Wolfsbrigade members seen in space are KOS. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Veni'vidi Vixit
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris In light of recent re-establishment of diplomatic ties with I-RED, any Wolfsbrigade members seen in space are KOS.
I love to Kiss On Sight. ! <3
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: JT133 There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
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Originally by: JT133 You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State.
No honor in war...yet you defend honor in war. You might want to consider your words more carefully if you plan to win any type of public relations campaign. Your inconsistent statements are already stacking against you.
Perhaps you should read more carefully, Eran Mintor. Yes, I do believe that there is no honour in the act of war. However, the Caldari State prides itself on it's principles and fundamental believes of which is most honourable. There is no inconsistency in my logic, perhaps you should stick to that which concerns you before involving yourself in matters which appear to be beyond you.
A process and an entity are two entirely different concepts.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris In light of recent re-establishment of diplomatic ties with I-RED, any Wolfsbrigade members seen in space are KOS.
OH MY GOD ARE YOU SERIAL???1¯1¯
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Capitol One
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:41:00 -
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Quote: Your so called anomynous CONCORD representative should double check his logs and get the SCC log of cash flow ,as the pilot that was accidentally killed during the Black Rise operation under a state of confusion has been fully reimbursed by the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive of the total cost of his ship and modules fitted to the ship!
I suggest you read my statement again:
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Files sent to me by an anonymous CONCORD representative list members of your corporation committing global criminal acts of violence repeatedly in the Black Rise region.
Quote: repeatedly
You see, even if that so called "accident" (and that I seriusly doubt) was reimbursed, it does not negate the multiple transgressions of your little crusade against pilots of the State. I point to Brigadier General JT133 and his statement for reference.
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No honor in war...yet you defend honor in war. You might want to consider your words more carefully if you plan to win any type of public relations campaign. Your inconsistent statements are already stacking against you.
War has no honor, that is true as Brigadier General JT133 points out, yet it does not mean that the people, the heroes of the State have none. It does not devalue the Honor of the State itself, which is what the General is referring to. I hope that clears your confusion on the matter.
Quote: In light of recent re-establishment of diplomatic ties with I-RED, any Wolfsbrigade members seen in space are KOS.
The Wolfsbrigade has always been KOS to the Gallente Federation, you must be seriously misled to think otherwise. Also, Wolfsbrigade has no diplomatic ties with I-RED other than those of War.
Respectfully, Capitol One Brigadier General Wolfsbrigade Caldari State
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:41:00 -
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Time for I-RED to meet the real Caldari soldiers ----------
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Chicken W1ng OH MY GOD ARE YOU SERIAL???1¯1¯
As opposed to... parallel? Or are you asking if I'm part of a piece of entertainment media that comes in multiple sections, rather than a single release? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Capitol One The Wolfsbrigade has always been KOS to the Gallente Federation, you must be seriously misled to think otherwise. Also, Wolfsbrigade has no diplomatic ties with I-RED other than those of War.
Is removal of brain sections related to reading comprehension a requirement for members of your corporation, or just a fast-track to leadership? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: JT133 Creetalor, it appears that you have fell under the influence and false pretences of your leaders. There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
It was in fact the Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization that laid the first blow according CONCORD officials. On the 02-March-112, a member of [I-RED] engaged a pilot in a Hawk in the Tama solar system who was acting under the collective name of the State Protectorate. Citation: Here
Furthermore, [I-RED] engaged against two further pilots of the State Protectorate on the 13-March-112, and another on the 14-March-112. Citations: Here and here. Also, here.
Our position as an enforcment arm of the Caldari State is clear, and it is part of our mandate to protect members of the State Protectorate from pirates roaming around in Caldari low-security space. Your presence in our space is unlawful and as such we were obliged to retaliate against your treasonous actions. Hence, on the 16-March-112, we engaged a pirate fleet under your name. Citation: Here.
The blue standings which claim to have had were non-existant, however, even if your claims had have had merit - your deceit and mutiny would have voided the terms of any such agreement, declaring it null and void.
You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State. We will defend it against your herecy, and you shall incur hefty losses in your feeble attempt to deceive your members of your new alliance the Gallente.
"We will not permit you to tell us how to be Caldari, and so you leave us with no choice." - Excerpt from the Caldari Proclamation of Secession. CE 23154.11.22
JT133
Brigadier General Caldari State
"General" the logs shown here only prove the lack of ability of your pirate members under GCC. For clarification Ishukone-Raata first engaged Wolfsbrigade/Four Horsemen/COLD-Wing on the Kedama gate in Tama during a patrol. The combined Protectorate fleet engaged Ishukone-Raata forces first with a Abaddon/Guardian fleet, Ishukone-Raata was forced to retreat due to standing error's as members of these organizations showed as positive standings ensuring our forces effectiveness would be low.
Once diplomacy was attempted the answers were very concerning after a Protectorate Fleet who we thought were allies engaged us by going GCC responded with "It will be a good fight!".. and "These pilots do not know who you are, so expect to be engaged." This engagement is grounds for KOS under Ishukone-Raata NRDS standing system, and was enacted several minutes after the attack.
The fighting after the engagement resulting in losses on the Caldari Militia side is due to piracy on your part, it is laughable to listen to you calling us pirates. We have escorted neutral Orca's and ships through Tama on several occasions where forces like your own would destroy them.
You can quote words from true Caldari, who know what Honor, and Duty stand for.. it still does not give you the right. These things are earned not given upon birth as a Caldari.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Chicken W1ng OH MY GOD ARE YOU SERIAL???1¯1¯
As opposed to... parallel? Or are you asking if I'm part of a piece of entertainment media that comes in multiple sections, rather than a single release?
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:48:00 -
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What's the deal, JT133? You certainly don't have that Caldari jaw; you know how your glorious leader, Tibus Heth, hates ethnic Gallenteans. ------------ Lum Gen Seriphyn Inhonores FDU Commanding Officer, Eleutherian Guard |

Graelyn
Amarr Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:54:00 -
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I've been fighting as a capsuleer for, what, 6 or 7 years now?
The volume of steaming crap coming from Wolfsbrigade on this matter is not the most flagrant and worthless I have ever seen.
But it comes close.
You shot ours and laughed, now we kill you en masse. See? It really is quite simple. If there is some other interpretation of events that you have, feel free to declare it to a sympathetic party, wherever the hell that might be in the Cluster.
In the meantime, try to die with some dignity. The constant bleating in local is childlike and disappointing.
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Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:56:00 -
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I think it would be appropriate for me to outline how this conflict came to be.
Members of Wolfsbrigade fired on Ishukone-Raata pilots while conducting operations around Tama and areas of the State. Due to this infringement, Wolfsbrigade was set to red by Ishukone-Raata.
Not long after, Enforcers engaged Wolfsbrigade personnel in Tama, destroying several of their ships. Wolfsbrigade expressed surprise at this turn of events, but rather than consider what their part was in this unfortunate turn of events, they simply wiped their hands of responsibility, as they continue to do.
Wolfsbrigade even had the temerity to ask why Ishukone-Raata had not resorted to diplomacy. I-RED is the aggrieved party in this affair - Wolfsbrigade should be the one to make recompense, and also to install more discipline among its troops. If Wolfsbrigade is going to purport to represent the state, then it needs to do so in fashion that is commensurate with State policy.
Or perhaps it is our outspoken critique of the CPD and its methods that has caused this to come about? Are Wolfsbrigade merely the arm of a Hethist strike against critics within the regime?
But that is an irrelevance. Wolfsbrigade are responsible for this.
I am reminded of a fable from the homeworld of the Intaki. A young boy poked a sleeping Rkshas. He was ignored.
He poked again and again.
The Rkshas woke without warning and tore the boy's face off.
I think the allegory is clear.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Eran Mintor on 30/03/2011 22:01:32
Originally by: JT133
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: JT133 There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
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Originally by: JT133 You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State.
No honor in war...yet you defend honor in war. You might want to consider your words more carefully if you plan to win any type of public relations campaign. Your inconsistent statements are already stacking against you.
Perhaps you should read more carefully, Eran Mintor. Yes, I do believe that there is no honour in the act of war. However, the Caldari State prides itself on it's principles and fundamental believes of which is most honourable. There is no inconsistency in my logic, perhaps you should stick to that which concerns you before involving yourself in matters which appear to be beyond you.
A process and an entity are two entirely different concepts.
To say there is no honor in war, and then claim you are defending honor in war is indeed contradictory. You don't see it obviously, but for you to defend honor in war, there has to be honor already in it. If there is no honor in war, wouldn't you be defending your honor by not going to war? ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe |

Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor Edited by: Eran Mintor on 30/03/2011 22:01:32
Originally by: JT133
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: JT133 There is no honour in war, do not seek it here.
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Originally by: JT133 You leave us no choice but to defend the honour and glory of the Caldari State.
No honor in war...yet you defend honor in war. You might want to consider your words more carefully if you plan to win any type of public relations campaign. Your inconsistent statements are already stacking against you.
Perhaps you should read more carefully, Eran Mintor. Yes, I do believe that there is no honour in the act of war. However, the Caldari State prides itself on it's principles and fundamental believes of which is most honourable. There is no inconsistency in my logic, perhaps you should stick to that which concerns you before involving yourself in matters which appear to be beyond you.
A process and an entity are two entirely different concepts.
To say there is no honor in war, and then claim you are defending honor in war is indeed contradictory. You don't see it obviously, but for you to defend honor in war, there has to be honor already in it. If there is no honor in war, wouldn't you be defending your honor by not going to war?
This is very interesting, please tell me more about it.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:32:00 -
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The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
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Capitol One
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:37:00 -
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Quote: "General" the logs shown here only prove the lack of ability of your pirate members under GCC. For clarification Ishukone-Raata first engaged Wolfsbrigade/Four Horsemen/COLD-Wing on the Kedama gate in Tama during a patrol. The combined Protectorate fleet engaged Ishukone-Raata forces first with a Abaddon/Guardian fleet, Ishukone-Raata was forced to retreat due to standing error's as members of these organizations showed as positive standings ensuring our forces effectiveness would be low.
Once diplomacy was attempted the answers were very concerning after a Protectorate Fleet who we thought were allies engaged us by going GCC responded with "It will be a good fight!".. and "These pilots do not know who you are, so expect to be engaged." This engagement is grounds for KOS under Ishukone-Raata NRDS standing system, and was enacted several minutes after the attack.
The fighting after the engagement resulting in losses on the Caldari Militia side is due to piracy on your part, it is laughable to listen to you calling us pirates. We have escorted neutral Orca's and ships through Tama on several occasions where forces like your own would destroy them.
You can quote words from true Caldari, who know what Honor, and Duty stand for.. it still does not give you the right. These things are earned not given upon birth as a Caldari.
Mr. Revenant.
I'm afraid the fault lies with you. Despite your so called "blue standings", you had conveniantly forgotten to engage in proper diplomacy and inform Wolfsbrigade leadership, or anyone connected to our corporation for that matter, that you wished to have the privilege of blue standings. Therefore, to members of our own patrol, who had no knowledge of your precious false claims of fighting for the State, they could not diffrientate you from any other regular Pirate.
In fact, it was The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive who first engaged members of the Caldari Milita, the fighting arm of the Caldari State in its war efforts against the Gallente Federation, in an ignorant and baseless arguement of justice.
Let me clarify. After being attacked and killed by pirates unafilliated with the Caldari milita, a corp known as Four Ponies of the Apocalypse, John Revenant, in his confusion, decides to attack a member of Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, a corporation that is coincidentally apart of the Caldari Milita. This leads to a surge of intelligence reports of "Pirate Activity in Tama", in this case: I-RED. A mixed fleet of a number of Milita corps assembles to counter the Pirate threat in Tama (I-RED), and finally engages on the Kedama gate at which point I-RED disengages. Later on, by which time I-RED has lost its GCC, the Milita fleet encounters the former pirate fleet again. And so, in a valiant act of selflessness, the pilots of the Milita fleet decide to take a standing hit with the Law in order to teach the I-RED that you do not commit piracy on Milita members unscathed.
This would be the so called "piracy" you accuse us of. So you see, it is clearly by your actions that we find ourselves in this situation, after all, you draw first blood.
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You can quote words from true Caldari, who know what Honor, and Duty stand for.. it still does not give you the right. These things are earned not given upon birth as a Caldari.
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These things are earned not given...
It is as if you take the words right out of my mouth. We earn our honor by enlisting and fighting for our State. Where is your honor? You hide yourselfs in null security space, while basing out of Gallente space in the sole purpose to strike against Caldari Milita corporations. You speak of honor but you have none. Hypocrit, that is what you are.
In the end it comes down to the fact that you fight alongside Gallente Federation Milita corps against Caldari State Milita corps. You attack first, you declare war first. It is clear who is the aggressor here.
Capitol One Brigadier General
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TomHorn
Caldari New Eden T2 Component Wholesalers
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:41:00 -
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Everyone knows that [I-RED] are helping to fight against piracy in lawless space , and are caldari loyalists.
If Wolfsbrigade are in the caldari militia and engaged [I-RED] then they should be ashamed of themselves.
TH (Caldari loyalist retired sheriff The Forge region)
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
"General" the logs shown here only prove the lack of ability of your pirate members under GCC. For clarification Ishukone-Raata first engaged Wolfsbrigade/Four Horsemen/COLD-Wing on the Kedama gate in Tama during a patrol. The combined Protectorate fleet engaged Ishukone-Raata forces first with a Abaddon/Guardian fleet, Ishukone-Raata was forced to retreat due to standing error's as members of these organizations showed as positive standings ensuring our forces effectiveness would be low.
Once diplomacy was attempted the answers were very concerning after a Protectorate Fleet who we thought were allies engaged us by going GCC responded with "It will be a good fight!".. and "These pilots do not know who you are, so expect to be engaged." This engagement is grounds for KOS under Ishukone-Raata NRDS standing system, and was enacted several minutes after the attack.
The fighting after the engagement resulting in losses on the Caldari Militia side is due to piracy on your part, it is laughable to listen to you calling us pirates. We have escorted neutral Orca's and ships through Tama on several occasions where forces like your own would destroy them.
You can quote words from true Caldari, who know what Honor, and Duty stand for.. it still does not give you the right. These things are earned not given upon birth as a Caldari.
Should your emphasis on General be considered further evidence of your treason against the Caldari State by not recognising an official title given by the State Protectorate? Where was your diplomacy when these pilots engaged you? Did you not inform them of the apparent blue standing, or do you reserve that only for fleets which pose a threat?
The information you have supplied is inconsistent with that which actually happened. To shorten the facts, you engaged The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse by going GCC in Tama. It is most probable that you, John Revenent, mistook them for the Four Little Ponies Of the Apocalypse. Furthermore, your attempt at so-called "diplomacy" is not what you delinate it to be - you closed the proper channels, and only opened them to attempt to minimize your losses while taking your desired path through Caldari-monitored space.
With regard to piracy, the fact of the matter is that your presence in systems that we enforce Caldari law in almost always results in you being flagged as criminals globally by CONCORD. You are the pirates bringing unqualified tyranny and piracy to Black Rise.
Yes, honour and duty are earned - "Brigadier General is the most senior commissioned rank in the State Protectorate. It ranks above Strike Commander." I think I need not say anymore of this particular issue.
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores What's the deal, JT133? You certainly don't have that Caldari jaw; you know how your glorious leader, Tibus Heth, hates ethnic Gallenteans.
Do not believe everything you see, Mr. Inhonores. Due to my position, information pertaining to this matter is confidential and as such I cannot comment further on it.
Originally by: Eran Mintor To say there is no honor in war, and then claim you are defending honor in war is indeed contradictory. You don't see it obviously, but for you to defend honor in war, there has to be honor already in it. If there is no honor in war, wouldn't you be defending your honor by not going to war?
Honestly I don't know how I can better explain this to you, perhaps invest in a dictionary in one of those rusty stations of yours?
Originally by: Sen Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.. [contd]
Your support is always appreciated, Mr. Typhos.
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:53:00 -
[34]
So this is about Johns inability to determine the age and sex of a horse? ----------
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Kor Shivat
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:53:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Zeerover The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED] organization ... is actively promoting Gallente ideals such as virile liberalism.
Wait... point of information. Is this the first instance in which the Gallente stand accused of virility?
Well then! It's just as well those primitive Matari tribalist twits would not take my letter of recommendation! If there is one thing worth fighting for in this pathetic galaxy, it is surely the Master. But if there is one other thing in this galaxy worth fighting for, it is virility! I suspect however they will not take a letter of recommendation, either. Hmmm. Perhaps those adorable nuns will elevate my standing sufficiently...
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Creetalor
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:55:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Senn Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
You clearly leave out the presence of the Caldari Militia which was present with Drake Train they came upon our wish and the Gallente Militia did not hail to our wish but to those of the Intaki people. We came to the wish of the Intaki people, due to Ishukones effort to make it a stable trade region with Ishukone transports frequenting the area to give and sell supplies!
Creedamce Shora Talor Executor Assistant I-RED Chusa
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:56:00 -
[37]
We engaged Four Horsemen one day after the engagement on the Kedama gate, I spoke to the leader of the Four Horsemen corporation after the engagement he suggested it was a mistake of identity which I made it very clear it was not.
We were engaged by his organization, your own, and COLD-Wing one day before your pilots started losing ships. As we made it very clear we were not in Black Rise, and the Citadel to engage elements of the Caldari Militia on our patrol.
You can continue to twist the situation to your needs, in pitiful attempts to seek help with your new-found friends in the Serpentis Loyalist's Anshar Inc. But it will not help you.. your pilots crimes of piracy will be paid in full, and the stain you place under the banner of the Caldari State will be removed.
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Texcoyo
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:07:00 -
[38]
I think most of you State protectorate pilots forget, the reason why your fighting us to control territory, isn't because you work for some corporation of yours, its because your tyrant leader, Heth, commands that you do.
John is acting in the best interests of his Mega-Corp, which is what good Caldari do, correct? They made a deal with the Federation, and the Intaki people to take over shipping and trade deals with them. I may not like it myself, but time has proven so far that it has been a benefit to the Intaki, and I since have changed my mind.
The STPRO forces are just the wing of Heth bent on domination of the war zone, and further if they can manage it. He is no better a leader than the Federation president that ordered the bombardment of Caldari Prime.
I can confirm, using my position as a director of QCATS, that we don't converse with John on a regular basis, share intelligence, or fleet with his employees. To call him a traitor to your race just shows how far the ultra-Nationalist behavior has rooted through you. Incapable of reason or diplomacy, and blindly fight the Federation for no reason other than the orders of your tyrant.
As I said in the announcement, our mission may change, and one day may not be on cease-fire terms with I-RED. But as for now, we are. If you "Loyal" Caldari Heth puppets want to attack a state Mega-Corp subsidiary, feel free to make our point for us easier to show how far Heth is willing to go to push his own agenda.
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Alexis Du'Volle
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:31:00 -
[39]
Originally by: John Revenent
You can continue to twist the situation to your needs, in pitiful attempts to seek help with your new-found friends in the Serpentis Loyalist's Anshar Inc. But it will not help you.. your pilots crimes of piracy will be paid in full, and the stain you place under the banner of the Caldari State will be removed.
Have you considered the fact that simply because Anshar Inc. Tagged pilots support an announcement on the IGS, they're not necessarily 'friends'? This is a perfect example of the ridiculous way IRED uses 'piracy' as an excuse to shoot legitimate groups who they don't happen to like.
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Capitol One
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:35:00 -
[40]
This is wearisome, let me just post facts here.
John Revenent Basilisk loss, date and time: 2011-03-09 21:54:00
More losses from this Pony corp follow.
Looking over your killboards I notice you start killing off Milita pilots, these are not related to the 4 Horsemen incident however.
Kill
After kill
Note that no aggression on behalf of Wolfsbrigade/Four Horsemen/Cold-Wing or other corps involved has happened yet.
Then you aggress this pilot of the Four Horsemen, after incurring many losses by the Four Ponies,
Lossmail Time and date: 2011-03-16 01:48:00
After which an I-RED drake is killed in just retaliation after what on our part appeared as unprovoked attacks (we understand the confusion however).
Drake loss Time and date: 2011-03-16 02:24:00
This would be the occasion when, after you had lost your GCC, we were forced to go GCC in order to enforce the law in caldari space (I appreciate the irony, but the avoidance of GCC was not possible, due to high security standing after long stay in nullsec and the obvious lack of intent to attack when outnumbered).
During this chaos, you manage to snatch one of us as we leave. Things have snowballed from there, and now we are at war.
But the facts don't lie, I'm not going to quote anything or anyone, just let the facts speak for themselves.
As for you Texcoyo,
Quote: If you "Loyal" Caldari Heth puppets want to attack a state Mega-Corp subsidiary, feel free to make our point for us easier to show how far Heth is willing to go to push his own agenda.
I think it's worth noting that I-RED wardecced W-BR, and only after the fact did we make the war mutual. So it's actually the other way around, the "state Mega-Corp subsidiary" is attacking us "Loyal Caldari Heth puppets" due to no reason than their own vanity and because they refuse to admit they are in the wrong.
Respectfully, Capitol One Brigadier General
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Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:38:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Senn Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here. Why else would they be making this desparate bid for support from the rest of the Caldari Militia, many of whom are very friendly to Ishukone Raata?
As for whether we will be seeking help from the Federate Militia, why would that be necessary? Wolves are dangerous yet, but most wolves know better than to proboke a bear.
Also, Wolfsbrigade have bottomed out when this wolf's head is their only defender. Sometimes it's better to sleep alone than have a snake in one's bed.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:56:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Valdezi Edited by: Valdezi on 30/03/2011 23:38:30
Originally by: Senn Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here. Why else would they be making this desparate bid for support from the rest of the Caldari Militia, many of whom are very friendly to Ishukone Raata?
So what would you call your bids to gather support from the Federation? Let alone pirate organizations. A "desperate bid" is an equally valid description of your pledge of fealty to the Vanguard after being chased out of Syndicate.
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Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.31 00:01:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Senn Typhos So what would you call your bids to gather support from the Federation? Let alone pirate organizations. A "desperate bid" is an equally valid description of your pledge of fealty to the Vanguard after being chased out of Syndicate.
The famed Anshar 'intel' strikes again. 
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.31 00:03:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Senn Typhos A "desperate bid" is an equally valid description of your pledge of fealty to the Vanguard after being chased out of Syndicate.
Senn, did anyone tell you that you're goddamn adorable when you think you have the faintest clue what you're talking about?  ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Milo Caman
Gallente Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.31 00:59:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Senn, did anyone tell you that you're goddamn adorable when you think you have the faintest clue what you're talking about? 
So how does it feel to be losing relevance faster than the version one Egonics Headset? ---
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:00:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Milo Caman So how does it feel to be losing relevance faster than the version one Egonics Headset?
I dunno, you tell me. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Yazus Kor
Kotharat Logistics
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:05:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I dunno, you tell me.
'I know you are, but what am I?'
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |

Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:07:00 -
[48]
Wednesday night ganking http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9267847
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:08:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Yazus Kor 'I know you are, but what am I?'
His statement didn't really warrant anything more cerebral. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Dan Pyre
Amarr Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:20:00 -
[50]
Quote: I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here.
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
Good fight http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9267876
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:22:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Valdezi I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here. Why else would they be making this desparate bid for support from the rest of the Caldari Militia, many of whom are very friendly to Ishukone Raata?
I believe [I-RED] is the one who has bitten off more than they can chew in this instance. This is evidenced by the fact that we had a 100% efficiency in the engagement just there, killed a multitude of your ships and just inflicted over 1 billion ISK in losses on you. As for asking fellow militia corporations to assist us in this war, it is meerly due to the fact that we often work together and they would no doubt relish in killing traitors of the Caldari State. We do not need any help, I believe that this is quite clear.
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9267873
[Note: Hawk kill is unrelated]
To quote your new allies: "You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake." - Excerpt from the Federation Presidents response to the Caldari Proclamation of Secession. CE 23154.11.22
JT133
Brigadier General Caldari State
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:30:00 -
[52]
Boast away.
While it is disappointing to see the men and women on board the ships die, it is not in vain Ishukone-Raata holds strong. The conflict has just begun.
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Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:40:00 -
[53]
32 SSN
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:42:00 -
[54]
Originally by: John Revenent Boast away.
While it is disappointing to see the men and women on board the ships die, it is not in vain Ishukone-Raata holds strong. The conflict has just begun.
Actually it is in vain! Surrender and give us your women before we torch down your towns!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:54:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Actually it is in vain! Surrender and give us your women before we torch down your towns!
You know, given that you both work for the Caldari State, wouldn't those also be your towns and your women? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:21:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Senn Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
You might be interested to learn that while it's true that I-RED and FDU fleets were present at the Prosperity Station defence Wolfsbrigade were present in the State Militia contingent.
Bataav
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:29:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Bataav
Originally by: Senn Typhos The surprise some individuals are expressing confuses me. Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
With anyone willing to rescue them from defeat.
I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
You might be interested to learn that while it's true that I-RED and FDU fleets were present at the Prosperity Station defence Wolfsbrigade were present in the State Militia contingent.
Bataav
I can't imagine being interested to learn something ANN reported on the day it occurred. I think you're mistaking a comment in support of military action, for approval of the organizations involved.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:29:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Actually it is in vain! Surrender and give us your women before we torch down your towns!
You know, given that you both work for the Caldari State, wouldn't those also be your towns and your women?
Are you from the 80s dude??
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:35:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Senn Typhos I can't imagine being interested to learn something ANN reported on the day it occurred. I think you're mistaking a comment in support of military action, for approval of the organizations involved.
So just to clarify... you're publically supporting Wolfsbrigade as Caldari loyalists, yet seem to be using the defence of Prosperity Station (that both groups were in the very same defence armada) as a reason to doubt I-RED's loyalties...
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Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:45:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Actually it is in vain! Surrender and give us your women before we torch down your towns!
You know, given that you both work for the Caldari State, wouldn't those also be your towns and your women?
Are you from the 80s dude??
You mean YC80? thats 92 years ago, my father was just starting his first job as a campaign liason for a major gallente politician in Everyshore. Are you that old?
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Aurelie Severasse
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:48:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Alexis Du'Volle Have you considered the fact that simply because Anshar Inc. Tagged pilots support an announcement on the IGS, they're not necessarily 'friends'? This is a perfect example of the ridiculous way IRED uses 'piracy' as an excuse to shoot legitimate groups who they don't happen to like.
Sweetheart, you seem to spend a great deal of time spamming threads that have some peripheral link to Anshar and basically providing a list of things and people you're against.
But what are you for, by fortune? You seem to be a professional antagonist. Does someone pay you to say this stuff?
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:50:00 -
[62]
3 hours into the war WBR has incurred zero losses and dealt out about 1.2 billion isk in damage.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:58:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Bataav Edited by: Bataav on 31/03/2011 02:40:42
Originally by: Senn Typhos I can't imagine being interested to learn something ANN reported on the day it occurred. I think you're mistaking a comment in support of military action, for approval of the organizations involved.
Yet you appear to be publically supporting Wolfsbrigade as Caldari loyalists, while at the same time using the defence of Prosperity Station (that both groups were in the very same defence armada) as a reason to doubt I-RED's loyalties...
I'm afraid that is plainly incorrect.
My words were that I encourage Caldari loyalists to engage in this effort. I never said I agree with their ideals, or even their existence. As someone who offered worthwhile discourse on ANSH's last public announcement, I would think by now you would understand my opinion of any and all militia groups.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 03:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Alain Colcer
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Actually it is in vain! Surrender and give us your women before we torch down your towns!
You know, given that you both work for the Caldari State, wouldn't those also be your towns and your women?
Are you from the 80s dude??
You mean YC80? thats 92 years ago, my father was just starting his first job as a campaign liason for a major gallente politician in Everyshore. Are you that old?
To answer your question: Yes, I'm 123 years old! You seriously need to be stuck in time and/or from the past.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.03.31 05:45:00 -
[65]
An unfortunate turn of events for our Caldari friends on both sides of this conflict. We would encourage both sides to seek mediation or a neutral arbitrator. What can occasionally be solved by a few words not said in anger, need not cost thousands of lives and billions of ISk among fellow State supporters.
That being said I-RED has been a long term supporter over many years and we maintain positive standings and cooperation. Any neutral vessels engaging IRED assets while near any of our territory will be removed.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.31 08:40:00 -
[66]
First, I-RED's combat logs show that they were killing some of Caldari militia members from different corporations. However, there are no evidences that they were killing Gallente militia members. Next, I-RED signed a peace treaty with Gallente military forces. And at last, I-RED declares war on Caldari military corporation.
Behind all these piracy talks we'll never find out, whether they were paid by Roden or Q-CATS. But their treason is obvious, at least for me.
As a pledged soldier of Caldari Militia I dedicated myself to protection of the State from enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I swear to do whatever I can to wash away these shameful so called 'loyalists' from sight of the State with fire and steel.
GLORY TO THE STATE!
D.Kim, Colonel --- We live and die for the State |

Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 09:01:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Silas Vitalia An unfortunate turn of events for our Caldari friends on both sides of this conflict. We would encourage both sides to seek mediation or a neutral arbitrator. What can occasionally be solved by a few words not said in anger, need not cost thousands of lives and billions of ISk among fellow State supporters.
That being said I-RED has been a long term supporter over many years and we maintain positive standings and cooperation. Any neutral vessels engaging IRED assets while near any of our territory will be removed.
Greetings Silas, The Khanid People have always had a soft spot in my heart if for nothing else aside from their struggle for independence from the greater Amarr Empire which in turn reminds me of the Gallante/Caldari struggle.
While internal Caldari Corporation conflict is nothing new what saddens me in this regard is the sheer amount of misguided action being taken by our counterparts over at I-RED. Despite the facts being stated before in this thread (with time stamped killmails I might add) the I-RED Directorate are insistent on calling the Wolfbrigade a Pirate Faction.
The problem here is unresearched assumptions made by an entity that is totally unfamiliar with the day to day politics and happenings of the Caldari Gallente War and the warzone known as Blackrise/Placid.
Aside from the daily conflict with the Gallente we are dealing with the lowest of low forms of Pirates and Criminals in the low security systems and some times they deal with 'high security standing' individuals to resupply them with the weapons they need to keep up their illegal actions against civilians and corporations alike. It is not like we can ask them to play fair, thus our need to lower our standards in warfare to meet them in the mud and stomp them is the prevailing actions that might be misconstrued by affecting some of our pilots security status to negative sides. This unfortunately is a necessary evil and a sacrifice made by our pilots with the greater interest of the State and spreading their influence over not only over Gallente but outlaw controlled low security systems.
Back to our I-RED counterparts. They come into the middle of a warzone/ shoot a few pilots fighting for the State protectorate and act shocked that these soldiers retaliate. Then they claim loyalty to the State by not only declaring war on the most successful and fierce Caldari fighting force but by aligning a truce with the Gallente of all people. Admiral Tovil Toba would be proud.
ôThe Enemy of our Enemy is our friendö? you ask? Doubtful as this goes to show a more sinister interest in my humble opinion.
If they know who we are and continue their aggression then one must take a step back and contemplate the real benefactor of a war guided at the largest and most organized entity currently fighting for the State. If they do not know who we are then it is what I set to point out before, nothing other than unresearched and uninformed actions made by an individual that is not in touch with the day to day realities of actually fighting for the state.
To fight for the state, it is not only a slogan one puts into his corporation description, Loyalty to the state, it is not something said. It is something that shows in your actions and not words, actions such as fleeting and fighting the enemies of the state, both illegal entities and foreign threats, internal and external.
While I see much talk of loyalty to the State from I-RED I see actions that are contradictory to that.
In the meantime I hear the Gallente Raid sirens blaring outside the docking bays of the station so I must end this transmission to fleet up and actually fight for the state with my ships and pilots not with my mouth forum posts and corporate descriptions.
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Creetalor
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.31 09:19:00 -
[68]
The one thing I find rather interesting is the fact for being such Caldari Loyalist I do not see a single Caldari ship listed in the engagement on your side it is a rather large curiostiy and winning 1 battle does not win a war.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.03.31 09:22:00 -
[69]
Mr Typhos
In an effort to ensure I understand the responses from Anshar Inc regarding this, I've taken the time to review each of your responses carefully.
Originally by: Senn Typhos I encourage any Caldari loyalists to align with Wolfsbrigade for this campaign. No doubt Federation loyalists will be lining up to defend their brothers.
This taken from early in the debate would suggest that you believe of the two parties Wolfsbrigade is closer to Caldari loyalists than I-RED.
Originally by: Senn Typhos Surely after defending Prosperity Station alongside QCats pilots and allying with Vanguard, it had become obvious where IRED's loyalties lie.
This from the same post implies you are calling I-RED's loyalties into question.
Now I'm not suggesting here that you are taking sides yourself, I'm not claiming that based on your comments in this debate that you believe one side should be victorious over the other (though previous exchanges between I-RED and Anshar would hint at a personal preference).
I'm simply questioning the logic of citing the Prosperity Station defence as cause to claim Wolfsbrigade are more loyal to the State than I-RED when both groups were involved on the same side.
I find it curious that those from the Federation militia who took part in the defence are not being labelled Seperatist sympathisers, or rebels for setting blue standings with pilots from the Caldari militia. I find it curious that members of the Caldari militia (including Wolfsbrigade) are not being accused of the same for applying blue standings with their counterparts in the Federation.
I understand that the Prosperity Station defence was a special case in the face of capsuleer piracy, however it is my understanding from the recent QCATS announcement regarding blue standings with I-RED that the same situation applies. Taken from their announcement (the bold emphasis is mine):
Originally by: Alain Colcer The Ishukone subsidiary recently came in contact with [QCATS] CEO and Directors to inform their intent on engaging outlaws and pirate organizations in their area of operation within the Black Rise Region.
Said operational goals are aligned with [QCATS] rules of engagement and current area of deployment, therefore after a gesture of intent for cooperation; both organizations confirmed a blue status standing to facilitate fleet operations against potential hostile targets. We wish to clarify this does not change [I-RED] political leaning, nor [QCATS] commitment to the war effort against the State Protectorate forces.
There are a number of corporations across New Eden which operate across the border in another nation state. Ishukone is present across Essence, Placid and Sinq Laison. Is the Megacorp going to find itself targetted as a whole? Freedom Extension has stations in The Citadel amongst other regions. Does this mean they have turned their back on the Republic and are now State advocates? No, of course not. To claim the same of I-RED for working along side groups from outside the State is little more than ridiculous.
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Trinergon
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Posted - 2011.03.31 09:24:00 -
[70]
Dear Caldari loyalists,
the Black Rise/Placid region are a war zone, there are no 'neutral' parties there, despite whatever the corrupt, pro-Gallente CONCORD organization may suggest to you.
If you bring combat ships into the sectors controlled and patrolled by the Wolfsbrigade and fellow militia corporations, you will have to live with (or die to) the fact that our fleets will try to dispatch both pirate and so-called anti-pirate threats to our operations without prejudice.
Best regards.
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.03.31 10:08:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Trinergon Dear Caldari loyalists,
the Black Rise/Placid region are a war zone, there are no 'neutral' parties there, despite whatever the corrupt, pro-Gallente CONCORD organization may suggest to you.
If you bring combat ships into the sectors controlled and patrolled by the Wolfsbrigade and fellow militia corporations, you will have to live with (or die to) the fact that our fleets will try to dispatch both pirate and so-called anti-pirate threats to our operations without prejudice.
Best regards.
I think I should increase my standard prices for shovels.
Thank you for the clarification Trinergon.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.03.31 11:04:00 -
[72]
This is confusing. Who is pirating ? |

Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 11:13:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Lyn Farel This is confusing. Who is pirating ?
Ask John ----------
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2011.03.31 12:55:00 -
[74]
So, does Ishukone earning the shipping franchise to the Intaki system make them traitors? Intaki is a major Federation home system, the third largest ethnic group after the Minmatar in the nation. They control the bureaucracy, foreign policy and our last President was an ethnic Intaki.
Don't give me rubbish about Intakis being friends of the State, either. ------------ Lum Gen Seriphyn Inhonores FDU Commanding Officer, Eleutherian Guard |

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.03.31 15:41:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis ..we are dealing with the lowest of low forms of Pirates and Criminals in the low security systems and some times they deal with 'high security standing' individuals to resupply them with the weapons they need to keep up their illegal actions against civilians and corporations alike. It is not like we can ask them to play fair, thus our need to lower our standards in warfare to meet them in the mud and stomp them is the prevailing actions that might be misconstrued by affecting some of our pilots security status to negative sides. This unfortunately is a necessary evil and a sacrifice made by our pilots with the greater interest of the State and spreading their influence over not only over Gallente but outlaw controlled low security systems.
Anyone with half a brain understands CONCORD is not the arbiter of anything. "Security status" is often a meaningless measure. Your words speak wisdom.
In light of a growing understanding of the situation I must slightly amend our previous statement:
1. Our standings with IRED remain, and any IRED assets within our sovereign territory will be defended against anyone, regardless of circumstances, fault, or cause. "Blues are Blues," as the laymen say.
2. We would also wish to remain on friendly terms with the Protectorate, an organization we have spilled blood for, and support in principal in the fight against Federal aggression. As foreigners we must admit to having an outsiders' point of view on the situation, which can often be clouded and imprecise with regard to local politics in space. We would again encourage mediation or arbitration for an immediate resolution. We will not be attacking Protectorate supporters.
3. Our friends in IRED have a reputation for maintaining positive standings with a wide number of groups from a variety of political backgrounds. This is their business and our dealings with them are generally quite separate and far removed from their other associations. We must however be quite clear that any assistance to IRED will never extend to supporting or aiding -any- Federation supporters, under any circumstances.
We again call for a neutral party to arbitrate an immediate cease-fire and broker a resolution.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Atraerus
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Posted - 2011.03.31 16:16:00 -
[76]
All roleplaying aside, fun pvp is fun! :)
Let's not get all emo-ragin' and forget ourselves in the roleplay, this is just a game, one that reflects a more extreme view of the real world (IN SPACE!) .. how 'bout we focus on having the most fun, instead of trying to have some kind of moral stand on a game forum, lol.
If, however, the roleplay does mean that much to the I-RED (nothing wrong with that) and they do want to stand with and for the caldari .. opening dialouge with W-BR leadership wouldn't be the wackiest idea out there. I only speak for myself though, don't take this out of context or anything (and god forbid you draw me into the holier-than-thou discussion), after all we've been quite active in the goal of making a pirate's life as difficult as possible in our little black rise. Our goals aren't that different, you just happened to blow up our friend's spaceships (internet spaceships, srs business) and we felt like helping a friend out and make our turf a tad bit safer, as to us you looked no different than a regular pirate gang. First time I hear of the I-RED at least.
Anyway, to make a long post even longer, I salute you John Revenent, I-RED and all you trolls out there, here's to having fun! o7
Atraerus No rank whatsoever I wish I had a title Sad panda :(
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sYnc Vir
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:02:00 -
[77]
I can start doing some talking if you want. Im know as a fair and pretty damn nice fella.
PS. I-Red. Learn to read. State has schools you know.
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:04:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Atraerus All roleplaying aside, fun pvp is fun! :)
Psst - you're in the RP forum. RP is the whole point of this forum!
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:20:00 -
[79]
I guess what it boils down to is the question, is I-RED working with Quantum Cats and to what extent?
If so, does this indicate a defection on the part of I-RED or QC?
Set aside for a minute who is shooting at whom and let's make sure which side of the map we all stand on. After that, picking targets is easy.
*The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC. |

Atraerus
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:29:00 -
[80]
As much as I just luuuuuuv roleplaying (I do it from time to time for the lulz), I really just had to bring this conversation down earthside. All yammering about piracy, treason, honor, and who is ****ing who .. just makes me dizzy you know? I would just like to know 2 things: Despite who's responsible/in the wrong here, does I-RED like this state of War they are in (don't worry, I won't twist your response to my own ends), that is, in real life do you like blowing up internet spaceships and would you like to continue doing so? If yes, awesome! If no, come talk to us, as we're all pretty much great guys once you get beyond the lazorz from our turrets and the BOOM of our missiles :P
I think I was going to ask you something else .. hmm yes! Why are you doing this again? You're fighting for the honor of Ishokune or something (fighting the pirate threat! huzzah, we do that too you know :P) ... wouldn't the most honourable thing to do in this situation to spare my eyes from the roleplaying and actually, you know, speak to us on normal terms?
AAaaaaanyway, I just like doing long posts and I hope someone will reply to me without going all "Aha! You pirate scum, Thou shalleth not-eth escape-eth our Wraaath, herp derp!" and "Oh herp, i haz be defending innocents of le Ishokune and i R also buddy buddy with le caldari!" Um ... right.
Atraerus i haz no title! turtles
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Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:54:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Sylorin I guess what it boils down to is the question, is I-RED working with Quantum Cats and to what extent?
If so, does this indicate a defection on the part of I-RED or QC?
Set aside for a minute who is shooting at whom and let's make sure which side of the map we all stand on. After that, picking targets is easy.
Monsieur Sylorin, i wish to direct your attention towards [QCATS] Official announcement on this topic here. We explain as much as possible the extent of our agreement.
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.04.01 00:41:00 -
[82]
Having flown with both I-RED and W-BR I can say that neither are prone to piracy or even going GCC without provocation.
However, that the Four Horse Men would engage a large neutral fleet for the sake of a good fight, is not surprising in the least. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |

BacardiDesire
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.01 00:44:00 -
[83]
Edited by: BacardiDesire on 01/04/2011 00:44:44 I have been around this area for quite a while now, I have also seen both sides of the conflict. If I have learned one thing during that whole time, it would be that the militia ellements for a certain Faction are so much more then their so called loyalist proxy groups that fight for their so called beliefs.
As one of the newly aquired Admirals under the banner of the Wolfsbrigade corporation, I will do anything within my power to make sure our enemies bite the dust, like I have always aimed for and nearly always have succeeded in .
All I got to say right now is that the military power of I-red is in general rather.. dissapointing in our first fight. I want to wish our oponements in this war allot of luck and hopefully enough good fights 
Signed, Admiral BacardiDesire --- Crazy dutch mofo |

Neo Gabriel
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.01 08:36:00 -
[84]
I would like to inform all that whom it may concern that SLAPD and the rest of the Gallente Militia (and allies) based out of Heydieles is considering establishing a no-fly zone in black rise to prevent piratical tendencies against civilian entities to continue. This aggression against the Intaki supporting I-RED alliance will not be allowed to continue.
Today in a brilliantly executed operation led by one of our best admirals we managed to completely route an entire BS fleet of Wolfbrigade pirates being assisted by RAGE alliance pirates.
They were attempting to bait an engagement with nullsec support but were out done by our brilliant strategics.
This is a total sum of the destroyed enemy ships for no losses during the operation save a frigate hull.
Oinasiken engagement Heydieles engagement
Make no mistake. Our amassed forces will be a sight to behold!
Coming Soon.
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.04.01 09:58:00 -
[85]
Isn't that a Shadows of The Federation Archon you killed? ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |

Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.04.01 13:44:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel The Gallente Militia (and allies) based out of Heydieles is ... establishing a no-fly zone in Black Rise to prevent piratical tendencies against civilian entities to continue.
Based on this statement, the FDU militia will be just as much a threat to civilian entities as its intended targets. You will be unable to tell the difference between potential criminals and legitimate civilian traffic.
I am thankful that my corporation is not currently doing cross-border business or in direct competition with <I-RED>'s industrial/market efforts.
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Koratte
Gallente Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:28:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Koratte on 01/04/2011 20:31:55 Edited by: Koratte on 01/04/2011 20:29:45
Originally by: Neo Gabriel but were out done by our brilliant strategics.
= Fighting while you outnumber them 6:1?
'Brilliant strategics' like that are the reason the Gallente militia is hemorrhaging it's supporters. It's bad enough that you need that many more ships (and carriers) to fight such a small fleet. It' worse that you rub it in like you're some kind of tactical genius.
Originally by: Neo Gabriel SLAPD and the rest of the Gallente Militia (and allies) based out of Heydieles is considering establishing a no-fly zone in black rise.
If you can't establish a no-fly zone in your home system, how do you hope to establish it region-wide? Body odour?
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:51:00 -
[88]
Speaking solely on my own behalf, Caldari mega-corporations are a bigger threat to liberty than the all-volunteer State Protectorate has ever been; this is all extremely shortsighted and poorly thought out.
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Koratte
Gallente Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.02 00:16:00 -
[89]
Are you implying any of the pilots serving within Wolfsbrigade, or any other capsuleer-owned corporation fighting for the State (or the Federation for that matter), are anything less than 'volunteers'?
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Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:26:00 -
[90]
Hail to our friends in the State, and beyond.
Thank you to those who have contributed to this important discussion. I will add a few of my own thoughts, by specifically addressing some of the points raised by the honourable Colonel Kim.
Originally by: Diana Kim First, I-RED's combat logs show that they were killing some of Caldari militia members from different corporations. However, there are no evidences that they were killing Gallente militia members.
The lack of Gallente militia targets may be an indication that the Gallente militia do not concern themselves with shooting groups who are not hostile to them. The aggression we have received from pilots in the State Protectorate is as embarassing to me as I imagine it must be to you. Such misunderstandings are of course expected in the hostile enviroments we both work in, but I trust this and other disputes can be resolved to out mutual satisfaction. Wolfsbrigade has been noted to be of a higher caliber than some groups for minimizing collateral damage to friendlies in their efforts to project Caldari interests.
Originally by: Diana Kim Next, I-RED signed a peace treaty with Gallente military forces.
Ishuk-Raata is not in the militias, and typically follows the same neutral stance on that conflict as that of the individual megacorporations. I need not point to the multitudinous foreign facilities existing in both Gallente and Caldari space to highlight the large trade traffic we enjoy with other nations. The miliita conflicts are the domain of STPRO, and we are pleased to respect your efforts toward success in that theatre. Naturally, neutral or cooperative relations that improve security for conducting increased business in hostile zones is to be sought after. I cannot speak for my compatriots, but I trust Caldari interests will ultimately be served as we seek to work through the present turbulence.
Originally by: Diana Kim And at last, I-RED declares war on Caldari military corporation.
It is unfortunate that such a CONCORD-sanctioned arrangement was required, as I am confident that the involved parties would have preferred to negotiate the issue on private terms. However, hostilities recorded by DED affect the public security record of the pilots involved. We must respect our pilots' requirements for freedom to conduct business in the service of Ishukone interests.
Originally by: Diana Kim Behind all these piracy talks we'll never find out, whether they were paid by Roden or Q-CATS. But their treason is obvious, at least for me.
As a pledged soldier of Caldari Militia I dedicated myself to protection of the State from enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I swear to do whatever I can to wash away these shameful so called 'loyalists' from sight of the State with fire and steel.
It was my understanding from the official records that the Protectorate served State interests by improving security and contesting systems for the expansion of Caldari corporate influence on these fronts. Is it not the mandate of the Navy, rather, to protect the State from its agressors elsewhere? We too seek to develop a progressive environment where Caldari efforts are unfettered by oppressive alternative mechanisms.
Success for the hardworking!
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.02 03:53:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Koratte Are you implying any of the pilots serving within Wolfsbrigade, or any other capsuleer-owned corporation fighting for the State (or the Federation for that matter), are anything less than 'volunteers'?
They are volunteers, and they are also part of the State Protectorate and not a mega-corporation like Ishukone. Are you further emphasizing my point or are you confused about what I said?
Originally by: Blake Rathen
The lack of Gallente militia targets may be an indication that the Gallente militia do not concern themselves with shooting groups who are not hostile to them.
Not even the slightest bit true.
Originally by: Blake Rathen
Ishuk-Raata is not in the militias, and typically follows the same neutral stance on that conflict as that of the individual megacorporations...The miliita conflicts are the domain of STPRO
More bull****, the Caldari mega-corps ARE the State. It is their war; they are the ones that are making a profit from it. QCATS and other Union corps have ignorantly allied themselves with Caldari profiteers for no other reason than an inherently flawed "enemy of my enemy" doctrine.
It would be in everyone's best interest if Wolfsbrigade broke this alliance in half (which it probably will).
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.02 07:50:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Neo Gabriel I would like to inform all that whom it may concern that SLAPD and the rest of the Gallente Militia (and allies) based out of Heydieles is considering establishing a no-fly zone in black rise to prevent piratical tendencies against civilian entities to continue. This aggression against the Intaki supporting I-RED alliance will not be allowed to continue.
Today in a brilliantly executed operation led by one of our best admirals we managed to completely route an entire BS fleet of Wolfbrigade pirates being assisted by RAGE alliance pirates.
They were attempting to bait an engagement with nullsec support but were out done by our brilliant strategics.
This is a total sum of the destroyed enemy ships for no losses during the operation save a frigate hull.
Oinasiken engagement Heydieles engagement
Make no mistake. Our amassed forces will be a sight to behold!
Coming Soon.
Who are you kidding? No Fly Zone? We Fly everyday in Heyd and 80% of your pilots dare not go more than 2500 meters from the station undock without at least 4 to 1 numerical advantage. We are not hard to find, Flying in your No fly Zone as I write this. Just look in Heyd Local Chat. ----------
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.02 08:17:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Blake Rathen Your Statement
This mentality is the cancer eating away at the Caldari. It is the typical Profiteering school of thought that liberal Caldari corporations do business with whoever and whatever. You would not have a corporation or any influence what so ever or a caldari state for that matter if it was not for the brave sacrifices made to save the people of caldari prime and secure a space for the Caldari people to live and trade. We are the soldiers of the Caldari, we provide you with the protection against the Gallente that want nothing more than to return you into their fold under their rule. I strongly suggest you do more reserch on the history of the Caldari and its corporations.
Now that being said we have no issue of you making isk by negotiating any trade terms you want with whomever you want. My only note is you do not agree to trade negotiations with the same people fighting the Caldari soldiers in Intaki and claim to be 'Caldari Loyalist'. Nor do you attack Caldari soldiers (and get dispatched very fast doing it) and claim to be Caldari soldiers. Your leader has no moral ground to stand on to throw out names like 'pirate' to best suit his propaganda.
Let there be no mistake, the only loyalty you have is to isk, so I strongly suggest you change your corporation description and propaganda techniques as youÆre not fooling anyone with that 'Caldari Loyalist' talk. In my book to be a caldari loyalist is to fight for the state, not by talk, but by actually undocking ships and shooting enemies of the state. The day you do that is the day you can even start to discuss being a 'Caldari Loyalist'. Until that day you are nothing but a profiteering corporation operation under the blanket of protection and sovereignty provided by the likes of us, the REAL Caldari Loyalist putting their lives on the line day in and day out fighting for the State, with actions not words.
As for making isk with non Caldari entities, go ahead do so as you please with whomever you please. The only thing that has changed since the beginning of this war is the fact that by declaring war against the people that fight for the state you have thrown away your corporations rights and ability to operate within the State. Rest assured we will ensure that you have all the the ability to wrap yourselves in the bosom of your trading partners so long as you are in their space. But Caldari space is off limits to you and believe me when I say you have not yet seen any Wolfsbrigade military action against you, for on the list of people the Wolfsbrigade is currently fighting I assure you your corporation and its members are somewhere on the bottom. When we do strike you will know, until then enjoy your new found homes in gallente space.
To borrow a term from someone else in this forum Caldari Space is a I-RED no fly zone. ----------
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Korsavius
Minmatar Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.02 11:49:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis This mentality is the cancer eating away at the Caldari. It is the typical Profiteering school of thought that liberal Caldari corporations do business with whoever and whatever. You would not have a corporation or any influence what so ever or a caldari state for that matter if it was not for the brave sacrifices made to save the people of caldari prime and secure a space for the Caldari people to live and trade. We are the soldiers of the Caldari, we provide you with the protection against the Gallente that want nothing more than to return you into their fold under their rule. I strongly suggest you do more reserch on the history of the Caldari and its corporations.
Let there be no mistake, the only loyalty you have is to isk, so I strongly suggest you change your corporation description and propaganda techniques as youÆre not fooling anyone with that 'Caldari Loyalist' talk. In my book to be a caldari loyalist is to fight for the state, not by talk, but by actually undocking ships and shooting enemies of the state. The day you do that is the day you can even start to discuss being a 'Caldari Loyalist'. Until that day you are nothing but a profiteering corporation operation under the blanket of protection and sovereignty provided by the likes of us, the REAL Caldari Loyalist putting their lives on the line day in and day out fighting for the State, with actions not words.
As for making isk with non Caldari entities, go ahead do so as you please with whomever you please. The only thing that has changed since the beginning of this war is the fact that by declaring war against the people that fight for the state you have thrown away your corporations rights and ability to operate within the State. Rest assured we will ensure that you have all the the ability to wrap yourselves in the bosom of your trading partners so long as you are in their space. But Caldari space is off limits to you and believe me when I say you have not yet seen any Wolfsbrigade military action against you, for on the list of people the Wolfsbrigade is currently fighting I assure you your corporation and its members are somewhere on the bottom. When we do strike you will know, until then enjoy your new found homes in gallente space.
I'm afraid it's you and your aggressive mentality that is the cancer of the Caldari people, my fellow compatriot. I don't blame you though; your mind has been misled and fowled under the rule of Heth's State.
Our loyalty is not to ISK. To claim such a thing would show a strong sense of blind ignorance. Our loyalty is to the State, and we show that loyalty through our attempts to foster good relations with our "enemies." We use words and business deals to try and bring together the State and Federation under a banner of coexisting peace and prosperity. The sooner we succeed in these attempts, the sooner brave men and women of the State will stop dying to people who we should be working alongside with to counter real threats from real enemies like the Serpentis and Guristas - and the sooner you will be able to return home to your family, soldier.
It's the misled and corrupted individuals such as yourself that prolong this pointless war with the Gallente. Granted, the Federation has their fair share of individuals who have also been misled and corrupted into killing every Caldari on sight, but with work this can be remedied.
If you fail to realize this, then I'm afraid it is on the battlefield where we shall meet. For the State!
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Aellos Lisetier
Gallente Starfield Rangers
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Posted - 2011.04.02 12:47:00 -
[95]
Well said, there are those of us in the federation who view the Caldari as our brothers, brothers who have chosen a different path through life. This war is unfortunate and will kill many before it reaches its close, although I may disagree with the Caldari governement system, if the ideal of freedom is to mean anything people must be allowed to choose their own destiny even if it is one the majority may disagree with.
That does not of course mean that I will abandon my Gallentean heritage and duties but I feel ashamed that it was necesssary for the Caldari to secede by force and we could not have arranged an amicable split, although for the time being I must stand against the Caldari to protect the nation I love and believe in, I hope with time to see peace and closer ties with Caldari, and trade is one way to accomplish this.
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Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:09:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Korsavius I'm afraid it's you and your aggressive mentality that is the cancer of the Caldari people, my fellow compatriot. I don't blame you though; your mind has been misled and fowled under the rule of Heth's State.
I am reminded of the words of one of the greatest State patriots, Otto Garushi:
Originally by: Otto Garushi Those of you who are attacking Gallenteans right now, you are enemies of this State.
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:47:00 -
[97]
Do I see a Minmatar and an Amarr trying to tell us what and how Caldari should be?
I would love to invite you two to a Tea Ceremony
/me Smiles ----------
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Korsavius
Minmatar Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:08:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis Do I see a Minmatar and an Amarr trying to tell us what and how Caldari should be?
I would love to invite you two to a Tea Ceremony
/me Smiles
Nowhere in my statement did I dictate how a Caldari should be, and neither did my fellow Enforcer Valdezi. Perhaps if you weren't too busy killing Gallentean vessels you would have been able to understand and read more clearly.
On any note, I would be more than honored to join in on a tea ceremony with you. I was born, raised, and live in the State, so I like to consider myself rather well taught in Caldari traditions.
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Viceroy Johando
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Posted - 2011.04.02 17:11:00 -
[99]
Well i do think its funny how wolfsbrigade gets a war dec from I-RED, but they dont want to fight,,,hmmm good ider or no spend isk on a war dec and then run and hide in station every time a wolfsbrigade member enters the system,,even though I-RED has the numbers,,YOU PAID ISK TO FIGHT SO FIGHT!!!! |

Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.02 20:46:00 -
[100]
*Adjusts the radio*
Well, I am afraid THEY WERE PAID TO FIGHT ;) So it should be pretty much compensated.
*Jumps out of the pod*
So, dear enemies, you want to talk? You will get it.
*Starts walking around the ship*
Korsavius, why you make difference between Guristas, Serpentis and Gallentes? For me they are all the same. If you start allying with Gallente, next day you will be allying with Gurista. For peace and stuff, doesn't matter. But as a matter of fact, I have a deep feeling that Gurista and Serpentis could (though I hope it won't happen anytime soon) give to the State much more than Federation ever can.
*Sprays cooling liquid on steaming heatsink*
Moreover, the Federation can give us nothing. Nothing at all. They have inferior production, inferior science, inferior management. What can you expect from them? The only good things of gallente origin, that I can think of, are gallente drones. And you know what? Any SAK graduate can make these gallente drones, there's no need in gallentes themselves!
*Hits loose armor plate with her rubber boot*
All that they can do is whine about 'tyrans' and 'dictators' and all this only because our 'dictator' does better than their rodden government.
*Likes her pun*
Well, if someone loyal wanted to make some business alliance he should first try Amarr corporations. Look at this ship, this is their masterpiece.
*Cleans interface panel with a wet duster*
Also amarrians are very spiritual and have real culture unlike decadent free gallenteans. We already said that we don't need the Federation over two hundred years ago. We don't need it now either.
*Pats laser turret*
Valdezi, our greatest patriot crashed his ship into Gallente Prime. Does it ring a bell?
*Checks powergrid levels*
Black Rathen, when the time had come, all corporations forgot their feuds and united under one banner, allowing the State to regain our homeworld and fight our war. Well, you have already shown that our war is not your war... at least not on our side.
*Discharges residual statics of gun coils, causing brief flash on crystals*
And now we stand as a frontline of State's defences, fighting pirates and gallentes on daily basis. And you are on the other side. With them.
*Activates gun tracking system for syncrhonous turret rotation*
And you'd better stop you hypocrisy about piracy, it is too obvious, everybody know you conduct NBSI policy in your areas of interest. Only very dumb can fall for it. Well, maybe you are targeting for gallente Tlecteurs... Anyway, you have proven with your actions to be enemies, and I am ready to pay with my blood to get rid of you and your gallente patrons. But be wary, when I die, I will take several of your pilots with me. And for now...
*Manually reloads the gun*
I have a job to do.
*Jumps back to the pod. Propulsion roaring damps further transmission..* --- We live and die for the State |

Aellos Lisetier
Gallente Starfield Rangers
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Posted - 2011.04.02 21:15:00 -
[101]
*blinks a couple of times over the video link*
...
and it was nice to hear from you too...
well... everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I can't say I agree though. The federation can give you nothing? We have tremendous manufacturing capabilities, granted it's not all on a war footing but that doesn't mean it couldn't be converted and in any case living entirely for war is an excellent way to kill off any culture as it stagnates behind the need to support the military-industrial complex.
I also take issue with the description of the federation as a group on a par with serpentis or the gurista but I don't suppose this arguement would be particularly fruitful since to even suggest that sort of thing requires a fairly decent disconnect from the identities of the groups in question.
As for gallenteans lacking culture... I really don't know what to say to that, some of the finest works of art in all media comes from the federation (which is not to say others don't also produce similar).
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Salicaz
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.02 23:40:00 -
[102]
So, I-RED move to Heydieles and bed up with the Gallente for the State?
And the RP started so well in this thread from them... It's clear where the true loyalty lies.
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Viceroy Johando
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Posted - 2011.04.03 00:03:00 -
[103]
Again I-RED runs from a fight and needs to team up with gall militia and then still loses another bs Thinks maybe I red should stick to carebearing.So go run those missions boys,, |

Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 01:21:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Blake Rathen on 03/04/2011 01:24:18
Originally by: Stalking Mantis
...We are the soldiers of the Caldari, we provide you with the protection against the Gallente that want nothing more than to return you into their fold under their rule. I strongly suggest you do more research on the history of the Caldari and its corporations...
Honourable Pilot Mantis, Thank you for your sincere reply - these are serious times that require serious action. I welcome and commend the pride you take in your task. It is a heavy burden our militia have chosen to bear in that theatre, a testament to Caldari resolve, among others. And I remind you that our unfortunate dealings with the CONCORD declaration are merely the formalities of unresolved engagements that I trust will be concluded shortly so that we may again take pride in standing in cooperation with our sisters and brothers... in Black Rise, and all areas of Caldari interest.
Originally by: Stalking Mantis The only thing that has changed since the beginning of this war is the fact that by declaring war against the people that fight for the state you have thrown away your corporations rights and ability to operate within the State.
Yes, the hostilities, which spawned the present dispute between our groups, must have certainly been accidental, and naturally we are both too confident in our own brave pilots to believe they were the cause of it. Surely you do not begrudge us the formalities we have followed as a result of those earlier unattributable accidents to ensure the continuation of Caldari prosperity? This is the way Tea flows, as you recognize, and we follow it, with out malice, to its conclusion. Similar to your own commitment to your task, we do not take our responsibilities to enforce anti-pirate measures lightly, in any theatre.
I must agree with your assessment of Gallentean ways. They are not synonymous with the Caldari way, the way historically they tried - and failed - to prevent us from following. I respect our peoples history very much, and I honour our forebears for their courage to protect our corporations from ineffective ideologies. Ishuk-Raata allies take pride in enforcing the correct Caldari ideologies, {edit}and trading with all interested and reasonable parties {/edit}.
As for ISK, between pilots, we know it is nothing but another form of power to be gained, just as the Protectorate extends military power for Caldari benefit.
Thank you again for your service to the State, in the unique task you have claimed that sets you apart from the normal day-to-day activities and business of other Caldari corporations. It may not prove adequate to a fierce pilot such as yourself, but I do remind you that correcting Gallente aggression is far from the only method we Caldari employ to ensure our continued success. I look forward to when the less circumspect pilots hold fast to formal agreements over the whims of our mutual and natural competitive tendencies.
Together, we will ensure the success of the State.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 01:23:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 03/04/2011 01:22:58
Originally by: Stalking Mantis Do I see a Minmatar and an Amarr trying to tell us what and how Caldari should be?
It should shame you that they have a better idea of it than you do. Then again, you aren't a good Caldari. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Graelyn
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.04.03 02:20:00 -
[106]
I on-lined my capsule today and while checking the feeds noticed that Mixed Metaphor had joined the I-RED Alliance.
I have served for a week as the liason between I-RED and the Imperial loyalist bloc. I was glad to do so. Their pilots are professional and deadly, their cause is just, and I was happy to lend service to agents of the Caldari State. I looked forward to a righteous bloodletting, as every militia usually has a few bad eggs in need of corrective action. Wolfsbrigade's overzealous engagement of forces friendly to them is certainly not an isolated case among capsuleer militias as a whole.
However, in my role as Emissary, I cannot ignore my duties to Most Holy Amarr.
Andreus Ixiris and Mixed Metaphor are unabashed and loudly declared enemies of the Empire and all of Greater Amarria. I cannot in any conscience fly alongside of such forces, no matter their goals.
It pains me to remove myself from I-RED, as I have come to respect them deeply in a very short time, but I did so immediately after hearing this news. I have voluntarily removed myself from all I-RED COMMAND Intel channels and conduits as well, to ensure that there will be no question as to my further involvement on either side in non-combat-related roles.
I do not apologize for my honor. I do regret that this has all come to pass. I wish I-RED well and pray for their success in the coming days. I also pray that the consequences of action, beyond victory or defeat, are considered by all involved.
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Emissary to the Empire - [R.D.C.] - (I-RED)
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 02:35:00 -
[107]
I joined them to offer what assistance I could to combat a common enemy.
I will say no more on this subject is out of respect for I-RED. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 05:11:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Graelyn I on-lined my capsule today and while checking the feeds noticed that Mixed Metaphor had joined the I-RED Alliance.
I have served for a week as the liason between I-RED and the Imperial loyalist bloc. I was glad to do so. Their pilots are professional and deadly, their cause is just, and I was happy to lend service to agents of the Caldari State. I looked forward to a righteous bloodletting, as every militia usually has a few bad eggs in need of corrective action. Wolfsbrigade's overzealous engagement of forces friendly to them is certainly not an isolated case among capsuleer militias as a whole.
However, in my role as Emissary, I cannot ignore my duties to Most Holy Amarr.
Andreus Ixiris and Mixed Metaphor are unabashed and loudly declared enemies of the Empire and all of Greater Amarria. I cannot in any conscience fly alongside of such forces, no matter their goals.
It pains me to remove myself from I-RED, as I have come to respect them deeply in a very short time, but I did so immediately after hearing this news. I have voluntarily removed myself from all I-RED COMMAND Intel channels and conduits as well, to ensure that there will be no question as to my further involvement on either side in non-combat-related roles.
I do not apologize for my honor. I do regret that this has all come to pass. I wish I-RED well and pray for their success in the coming days. I also pray that the consequences of action, beyond victory or defeat, are considered by all involved.
Cardinal Graelyn -
Such immediacy of action shows your consistency of character and integrity. Such a task is not something to be done lightly, nor is it easy in my opinion, but I feel the course you have taken is exemplary.
~ Guardian Main
Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions. |

Kahar Dex
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.03 05:18:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Graelyn I on-lined my capsule today and while checking the feeds noticed that Mixed Metaphor had joined the I-RED Alliance.
I have served for a week as the liason between I-RED and the Imperial loyalist bloc. I was glad to do so. Their pilots are professional and deadly, their cause is just, and I was happy to lend service to agents of the Caldari State. I looked forward to a righteous bloodletting, as every militia usually has a few bad eggs in need of corrective action. Wolfsbrigade's overzealous engagement of forces friendly to them is certainly not an isolated case among capsuleer militias as a whole.
However, in my role as Emissary, I cannot ignore my duties to Most Holy Amarr.
Andreus Ixiris and Mixed Metaphor are unabashed and loudly declared enemies of the Empire and all of Greater Amarria. I cannot in any conscience fly alongside of such forces, no matter their goals.
It pains me to remove myself from I-RED, as I have come to respect them deeply in a very short time, but I did so immediately after hearing this news. I have voluntarily removed myself from all I-RED COMMAND Intel channels and conduits as well, to ensure that there will be no question as to my further involvement on either side in non-combat-related roles.
I do not apologize for my honor. I do regret that this has all come to pass. I wish I-RED well and pray for their success in the coming days. I also pray that the consequences of action, beyond victory or defeat, are considered by all involved.
I echo Guardian Main's sentiments. I would however add my dismay at hearing the news of Mixed Metaphor joining the ranks of I-RED.
This begs the question if Mixed Metaphor was even aware of I-RED's relations with the Amarrian bloc, or if I-RED is distancing themselves from us.
I'm certain this is going to cause quite a diplomatic mess now, as many Amarrian loyalist organizations have Mixed Metaphor set to red and are KOS, they are staunch enemies and offenders of all Amarr, and go beyond any limits of diplomatic appropriateness.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.03 05:48:00 -
[110]
IRED has removed from blue status and set to neutral. So long as Gallente filth serve them we have no choice in the matter. I truly hope this is a temporary situation as I have had a strong affection for them in the past.
Lord grant them wisdom to see a better path.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 06:15:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Kahar Dex This begs the question if Mixed Metaphor was even aware of I-RED's relations with the Amarrian bloc
It seems that those relations are dwindling rapidly. Looks like I-RED are finding out who their friends are. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.03 06:44:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
It seems that those relations are dwindling rapidly. Looks like I-RED are finding out who their friends are.
Yes, and it seems they're quickly turning their back on those friends.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 06:56:00 -
[113]
You know what the most hilarious thing about this whole debacle is? The original plan was to join I-RED for a week to assist them in a military struggle - I didn't plan to become a permanent member. I also fully intended to keep a lid on my famously strong opinions on the Empire for the duration of my stay within the alliance.
I won't be in I-RED forever, or even any notable length of time, most likely (although the appeal of staying just to cause you dismay is growing), but the dishonour of this slight and the gross unreliability of your friendship will continue to stain your relationship with them (such as it is) long after I've departed. So in the grand scheme of things, you gain nothing from this, and neither I nor, I faith, I-RED lose anything that was really of any value. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:01:00 -
[114]
To our allies in the Amarrian Bloc, you are welcome to have your views as such, as we have never judged your organizations out of pure respect of the partnership we hold. Though I will say a few words.
Ishukone-Raata has served itself as a staunch ally the Caldari State more-so then many other capsuleer organizations with honor, and decency. Never turning our back on our Amarrian partners under the threat of Minmitar Terrorists, Anarchists, and even threats of your very own conservative Amarrian groups. For two years Ishukone-Raata has placed its liberal ideals above all else and to serve Ishukone with vigilance, though military and economic means.
We have asked nothing in return but for respect of our trade agreements, and how we conduct business outside your own influences. We will gladly accept the support of our allies among Intaki community.
I suggest you think about your next move carefully..
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:17:00 -
[115]
We re-affirm our friendship with Ishukone-Raata. They have been loyal friends to the Intaki people and to the ILF in particular. The Ishukone Corporation continue to do good business in Intaki despite the attentions of other rogue elements.
I think it's disappointing to see elements in the Amarrian bloc acting hastily and turning away from I-RED for taking in a single pilot who you find objectionable.
I-RED has been good friends to many Amarrian and Khanid groups, and their reputation with other groups has suffered as a result. Despite this, I-RED was loyal to its friends.
While the Intaki Liberation Front is not a part of this conflict, it strikes me as hypocrisy for I-RED's Amarrian friends to turn their backs on an alliance which stuck with them despite the disapproval of others.
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Yazus Kor
Kotharat Logistics
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Posted - 2011.04.03 11:20:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
I think it's disappointing to see elements in the Amarrian bloc acting hastily and turning away from I-RED for taking in a single pilot who you find objectionable.
I don't think you're taking into account quite how objectionable he can be.
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.03 11:54:00 -
[117]
I can't speak for my own organization, though I can for myself.
Seeing I-RED allying themselves with any gallente corporation, of the Doves for example, that have enough integrity and understanding of shades of grey to consider the Amarr Empire for what it is, I would have even approved.
Seeing I-RED allying themselves with such a bunch of biased radicals saddens me. I am glad to hear this is only for a little time, but I have to admit it has shaken my faith in your respectable organization. At least in this matter, you fight against piracy and this should still be considered, of course.
Kindest regards, Farel. |

Kahar Dex
Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:16:00 -
[118]
Originally by: John Revenent To our allies in the Amarrian Bloc, you are welcome to have your views as such, as we have never judged your organizations out of pure respect of the partnership we hold. Though I will say a few words.
Ishukone-Raata has served itself as a staunch ally the Caldari State more-so then many other capsuleer organizations with honor, and decency. Never turning our back on our Amarrian partners under the threat of Minmitar Terrorists, Anarchists, and even threats of your very own conservative Amarrian groups. For two years Ishukone-Raata has placed its liberal ideals above all else and to serve Ishukone with vigilance, though military and economic means.
We have asked nothing in return but for respect of our trade agreements, and how we conduct business outside your own influences. We will gladly accept the support of our allies among Intaki community.
I suggest you think about your next move carefully..
Taisho Revenent, I'd like to ask you for the record if you thought carefully about this move? How did you expect to maintain good relations with your traditional allies by admitting those who are openly hostile to them? I'd sooner contend that your Amarrian allies would have sent pilots in droves to assist with the liberation and security of Intaki than to have you align yourself with such an uncouth ignoramus whose views I doubt represent the majority of Intaki thinking. He is a known Gallente loyalist
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:26:00 -
[119]
Originally by: John Revenent To our allies in the Amarrian Bloc, you are welcome to have your views as such, as we have never judged your organizations out of pure respect of the partnership we hold. Though I will say a few words.
Ishukone-Raata has served itself as a staunch ally the Caldari State more-so then many other capsuleer organizations with honor, and decency. Never turning our back on our Amarrian partners under the threat of Minmitar Terrorists, Anarchists, and even threats of your very own conservative Amarrian groups. For two years Ishukone-Raata has placed its liberal ideals above all else and to serve Ishukone with vigilance, though military and economic means.
We have asked nothing in return but for respect of our trade agreements, and how we conduct business outside your own influences. We will gladly accept the support of our allies among Intaki community.
I suggest you think about your next move carefully..
Mr. Revenent,
We Khanid have long shared a mutual relationship of understanding, trade and support with our Caldari friends. We remain a staunch ally of the Caldari State and will always assist the State in defending against pirates, terrorists and the Minmatar and Gallente forces that our respective governments are at war with. Personally, I cannot forsee a time where we will turn our backs on our Caldari allies.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:11:00 -
[120]
And yet for all this high-minded moralising you Imperials are doing about your supposed super-best-friends in the State, I'm the one in the warship flying alongside I-RED right now, and you're the ones who've abandoned them. Whatever my views on the Empire - and were it not for the behaviour of the Empire's servants, I'd have kept them to myself for the duration of this operation - I-RED would have me because I made an honest offer of aid that they chose to accept. You think I'm the only one in this alliance with objectionable views? I'm sure despite the alliance's patron megacorp, there's a few Patriot-bloc in I-RED. I'm sure there's a few Intaki seperatists in I-RED. Both of these things I object to - heck, it's not like I even agree with everything Ishukone itself does - but I can tolerate these in the name of assisting a friend.
Let me make this clear - I'm beyond being offended in and of myself by this move. I, of course, have first-hand experience of just how dreadful Imperial loyalists are when it comes to making compromises, so your actions hardly surprise me. But mark my words, I am offended - offended for I-RED, offended for John. You had no right to spring this on them during a war, no right to embarass them when they needed solidarity. Any political or ideological concerns you had should have waited until after the Wolfsbrigade matter was over, just as I would have checked my political baggage at the door if you hadn't taken it and flung it through for me. However, given that you've cast the first stone, I feel myself under no obligation to remain quiet in this matter. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:22:00 -
[121]
I wouldn't say that we've abandoned anyone Andreus.
As I said, we fully support our Caldari allies.
Now that you're a member of I-RED, do you see yourself as a Caldari ally?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:35:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk I wouldn't say that we've abandoned anyone Andreus.
As I said, we fully support our Caldari allies.
Except, of course, for the relevant one in this discussion, who you have, of course, turned your back on due to my presence within it.
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk Now that you're a member of I-RED, do you see yourself as a Caldari ally?
I see myself as an ally of an organisation that represents the good in the State, which there most certainly is. Make of that what you will. You'll notice that I-RED advocate peace and trading agreements with the Federation, rather than war - of turning the Federation into a friend, rather than an enemy. Such an arrangement would greatly benefit the Federation. If I-RED were to do something clearly hostile to the Federation, such as, say, assist the Caldari militia in conquering Federal territory, I would of course be forced to distance myself. Right now, however, our interests are clearly aligned - they're fighting a puppet of Heth's, one of the Federation's most serious enemies.
So call me an ally of the State if the semantics suit you, but I've allied myself with part of the State - one that is much derided by both its enemies and its supposed allies for its willingness to make compromises, and endures the slings and arrows of its many detractors with dignity, pride and admirable restraint. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Salicaz
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:03:00 -
[123]
And through all this turmoil that I-RED has brought upon itself, W-BR remains as strong as ever. I-RED has taken people into its fold that even its allies object to. It has fought along side the Gallente militia against Caldari militia.
You made a mistake declaring war on W-BR that even your fancy PR words struggle to hide. And now you'll stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who will help you, regardless of your moral code.
WE fight for the State!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:18:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Salicaz WE fight for the State!
We all make mistakes sometimes, don't worry. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:49:00 -
[125]
If it may please our brothers from Amarr and Khanid I would like to take a second to remind our I-RED couterparts of a short tale. A tale any true Caldari should know. Taken from the ö16 autumn stories to share with our childrenö,
To any misguided Caldari please read the below: ---------------------------- Hand, Hilt and Blade
Some time agoà soon after the Dragon came and we had to leave Home behindà Blade, Hilt and Hand gathered in the Airkio woods, for they wanted to return.
First spoke Blade: ôI want my home back. I am swift. I am strong. I will fight.ö
Then spoke Hilt: ôYou are strong. But you are blind. You cut friend and foe. I will be your guide.ö
Last spoke Hand: ôYou are powerful. But you are tools. I will be the master you will serve. Home belongs to Flesh and Blood.ö
ThatÆs why we master Isk. For Isk has no friend and no foe, only many slaves and a few masters.
ThatÆs why we serve a Corporation. As long as the Corporation works towards Home, and as long as it guide Isk, and are not its slave.
And thatÆs why, always remember: Last comes Isk. Before comes Corp. Before Corp comes Blood.
And Home comes first. --------------------------
Home. What we Fight for. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hand%2C_Hilt_and_Blade
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Salicaz
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:50:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Valdezi
I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here.
Yeah, we all make mistakes.
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Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:26:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Diana Kim First, I-RED's combat logs show that they were killing some of Caldari militia members from different corporations. However, there are no evidences that they were killing Gallente militia members. Next, I-RED signed a peace treaty with Gallente military forces. And at last, I-RED declares war on Caldari military corporation.
Behind all these piracy talks we'll never find out, whether they were paid by Roden or Q-CATS. But their treason is obvious, at least for me.
As a pledged soldier of Caldari Militia I dedicated myself to protection of the State from enemies, both foreign and domestic. And I swear to do whatever I can to wash away these shameful so called 'loyalists' from sight of the State with fire and steel.
GLORY TO THE STATE!
D.Kim, Colonel
Wow, IRED ROI allows us to engage and destroy any ship that attacks us, that is what happened to in these single ship kills. The reason no gallente militia ships were detroyed in that time frame was that in the region we were operating, no gallente militia pilots were encountered who met ROI requirements to be destroyed.
As for declaring war on Wolfsbrigade, they had regularly been engaging our patrols and we had had enough. And they continue to lie about what started the conflict between us.
And do you not see the irony of taking the word of a pirate affiliated organization on matters of who is dealing with pirates?
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Crimper
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:42:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Crimper on 03/04/2011 15:44:40
Originally by: Valdezi
I think it's fairly clear that Wolfsbrigade has bitten off more than they can chew here.
Funny, I was thinking the other way around considering I-Red have to call on GalMil to help them in their fight against us.
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Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:52:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:40:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Rytha Main on 03/04/2011 16:41:43
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris And yet for all this high-minded moralising you Imperials are doing about your supposed super-best-friends in the State, I'm the one in the warship flying alongside I-RED right now, and you're the ones who've abandoned them. Whatever my views on the Empire - and were it not for the behaviour of the Empire's servants, I'd have kept them to myself for the duration of this operation - I-RED would have me because I made an honest offer of aid that they chose to accept. You think I'm the only one in this alliance with objectionable views? I'm sure despite the alliance's patron megacorp, there's a few Patriot-bloc in I-RED. I'm sure there's a few Intaki seperatists in I-RED. Both of these things I object to - heck, it's not like I even agree with everything Ishukone itself does - but I can tolerate these in the name of assisting a friend.
Let me make this clear - I'm beyond being offended in and of myself by this move. I, of course, have first-hand experience of just how dreadful Imperial loyalists are when it comes to making compromises, so your actions hardly surprise me. But mark my words, I am offended - offended for I-RED, offended for John. You had no right to spring this on them during a war, no right to embarass them when they needed solidarity. Any political or ideological concerns you had should have waited until after the Wolfsbrigade matter was over, just as I would have checked my political baggage at the door if you hadn't taken it and flung it through for me. However, given that you've cast the first stone, I feel myself under no obligation to remain quiet in this matter.
I-RED doesn't need you to be offended for them. I'm certain they can speak for themselves without you making an attempt at inflating the issue and trying to paint their traditional allies as villains while positioning yourself as their "underdog friend". Pff!
And yes, we do have a right to bring this up. Quite plainly you are on many Amarrian loyalist groups kill on sight lists. You joining what they would consider a traditional ally presents a diplomatic quandary. Were you not so blinded by hate (or a simple biological ineptitude), you'd understand the rational behind this.
And quite frankly Pilot Ixiris, this goes beyond political "luggage". You are so objectionable, that your blasphemy at times makes the Matari seem far more civilized. And please don't patronize us with your "mutual goals of peace and friendship". You have shot Caldari loyalists dead when you were part of the militia.
Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions. |

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:00:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Rytha Main I-RED doesn't need you to be offended for them. I'm certain they can speak for themselves without you making an attempt at inflating the issue and trying to paint their traditional allies as villains
Oh, trust me, their "traditional" "allies" hardly need me to paint them as villains. Trust me, they've accomplished that perfectly well themselves.
Originally by: Rytha Main while positioning yourself as their "underdog friend"
I never used the word "underdog" to describe myself. That's entirely your wording - but it's interesting that you should use that word to describe my situation. Interesting indeed.
Originally by: Rytha Main And yes, we do have a right to bring this up.
No, you don't.
Originally by: Rytha Main Quite plainly you are on many Amarrian loyalist groups kill on sight lists.
Don't worry, I'm not letting that honour go to my head too much.
Originally by: Rytha Main Were you not so blinded by hate
There's a difference between blind hate and informed distaste. My position is very firmly the latter. After all, I know a large number of reliable, trustworthy, morally upstanding Amarrians.
It's just that none of them are in the Empire.
Originally by: Rytha Main (or a simple biological ineptitude)
An interesting turn of phrase. I'm sorry, woman, you're clearly just projecting now.
Originally by: Rytha Main And quite frankly Pilot Ixiris, this goes beyond political "luggage". You are so objectionable, that your blasphemy
Blasphemy is a fairytale. Maligning fictional entities is no crime, nor is disparaging the fools who believe in them.
Originally by: Rytha Main You have shot Caldari loyalists dead when you were part of the militia.
Originally by: Otto Garushi Those of you who are attacking Gallenteans right now, you are enemies of this State.
----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:08:00 -
[132]
But truly, I remember how exceptionally ungrateful I'm being. I thought it would take months or even years to convince I-RED how unworthy its Imperial "allies" were - yet those same "allies" did all my work for me, in six hours no less. I'll say this for you - whatever else I criticise about you, I'll never fault Imperial efficiency. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Texcoyo
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:30:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Crimper
Funny, I was thinking the other way around considering I-Red have to call on GalMil to help them in their fight against us.
Odd, from the battle reports I have seen, none have shown us killing your pilots alongside them.
That STPRO dementia must be setting in quicker than I thought, Crimper.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:32:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Otto Garushi Those of you who are attacking Gallenteans right now, you are enemies of this State.
Garushi-haan, spirits protect his soul, is dead because of the actions of a Gallente Federation war hero! Ishukone's HQ in Malkalen still burns almost three years after the attack.
Consider that when you quote Garushi-haan.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:41:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Dex Nederland Garushi-haan, spirits protect his soul, is dead because of the actions of a Gallente Federation war hero!
I don't have to explain this to you for the tenth time. I shall merely remind you that I don't hold the entire State responsible for the actions of a madman - Heth - even though by rights I have more basis for doing so than you do for Noir. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.03 20:45:00 -
[136]
I would like to remind everybody that the Caldari Militia does not support The State, just one faction within The State - The State Protectorate.
This proxy Civil War between two factions of The State are interesting if not unexpected.
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Trinergon
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:27:00 -
[137]
I do not quite understand how you Ishukone lickspittles can claim to be Caldari loyalists of any form - Ishukone has been granted some Jove technologies for some unknown reasons and they could use the proceedings to partially evade the immense pressure that Gallente capital puts on Caldari mega-corporations. It is not a model that could work for all of Caldari, right?
Yet I am loosing the illusion that we can improve the status quo with this CONCORD-sanctioned farce of a war, as long as CONCORD adamantly protects all non-capsuleer assets except the faction fleet star ships (that are at a total loss against capsuleer technology anyway). We are rather fighting for Scope and Nugoeihuvi than for anybody else, but it probably pays too well to really complain.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:19:00 -
[138]
Originally by: X Gallentius I would like to remind everybody that the Caldari Militia does not support The State, just one faction within The State - The State Protectorate.
So the Gallente Militia does not support The Federation, just one faction within The Federation - The Federal Defense Union?
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Dan Pyre
Amarr Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:27:00 -
[139]
Quote: The war between Distant Light Galactic and Wolfsbrigade is coming to an end. Distant Light Galactic has retracted the war against Wolfsbrigade. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
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Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:39:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Trinergon Trinergon's retraction.
Honourable Brigadier General Trinergon,
I can imagine the frustrations you must face, and I sympathize with them. Should we not instead be aligned together to the far gate, ready to face the common foe? Should our skills not be united for the honour of all?
You impress me as a direct man with singular vision and swift action in fulfillment of your duties. I call on those qualities and urge you to further instill them in those under your command. The follies of the petty should not be suffered to undermine the courageous!
Should we meet next in battle or at the negotiation table, it will be in the honourable execution of each of our responsibilities. May they one day align...
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Azami Nevinyrall
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 02:50:00 -
[141]
I should pay attention to this more often, it's a good laugh...
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Dan Pyre
Amarr Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 04:58:00 -
[142]
Alright so who dropped the ball on this one?
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9300761
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Koratte
Gallente Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 05:07:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
Indeed, wise words. Say, how many corps has your alliance lost since wardecing Wolfsbrigade?
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sYnc Vir
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 05:15:00 -
[144]
Edited by: sYnc Vir on 04/04/2011 05:16:00
Originally by: Blake Rathen
Originally by: Trinergon Trinergon's retraction.
I can imagine the frustrations you must face, and I sympathize with them. Should we not instead be aligned together to the far gate, ready to face the common foe? Should our skills not be united for the honour of all?
No.
I would write more, but it means actually caring. I honest to god gave up thinking this war would be good pvp 30 seconds into the first fight. And for 10 of those I was lagging from the jump.
/....Are you ever going to undock again.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.04 05:42:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis If it may please our brothers from Amarr and Khanid I would like to take a second to remind our I-RED couterparts of a short tale. A tale any true Caldari should know. Taken from the ö16 autumn stories to share with our childrenö,
To any misguided Caldari please read the below: ---------------------------- Hand, Hilt and Blade
Some time agoà soon after the Dragon came and we had to leave Home behindà Blade, Hilt and Hand gathered in the Airkio woods, for they wanted to return.
First spoke Blade: ôI want my home back. I am swift. I am strong. I will fight.ö
Then spoke Hilt: ôYou are strong. But you are blind. You cut friend and foe. I will be your guide.ö
Last spoke Hand: ôYou are powerful. But you are tools. I will be the master you will serve. Home belongs to Flesh and Blood.ö
ThatÆs why we master Isk. For Isk has no friend and no foe, only many slaves and a few masters.
ThatÆs why we serve a Corporation. As long as the Corporation works towards Home, and as long as it guide Isk, and are not its slave.
And thatÆs why, always remember: Last comes Isk. Before comes Corp. Before Corp comes Blood.
And Home comes first.
There is much wisdom in these words.
New Tales of the Dark Amarr |

Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:11:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
Originally by: Dan Pyre Edited by: Dan Pyre on 04/04/2011 05:29:35 Alright so who dropped the ball on this one?
http://caldari.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9300761
Quote: The war between Strange Mining Inc. and Wolfsbrigade is coming to an end. Strange Mining Inc. has retracted the war against Wolfsbrigade. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Originally by: Stalking Mantis
Originally by: Blake Rathen Your Statement
.....and believe me when I say you have not yet seen any Wolfsbrigade military action against you, for on the list of people the Wolfsbrigade is currently fighting I assure you your corporation and its members are somewhere on the bottom. When we do strike you will know, until then enjoy your new found homes in gallente space.
To borrow a term from someone else in this forum Caldari Space is a I-RED no fly zone.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:25:00 -
[147]
Looks like the Caldari have a new mega-corporation; The FDU.
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Salicaz
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 10:33:00 -
[148]
So, I-RED made a serious error at the start of this and declared war on W-BR. They claim they represent the state and label W-BR pirates, but hide in the shadow of The Gallente Militia.
Now, after a series of assualts from W-BR, I-RED are haemorrhaging corps and are now pinned in a mutual war.
This, all barely a week into conflict. Who else will you ask for help? Will your loyalties be muddied further?
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Veni'vidi Vixit
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Posted - 2011.04.04 11:26:00 -
[149]
I still dont get what this thread is about. Can anyone explain?
On a sidenote good job I-Rat on your wardec, it seems like youre doing progress.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.04 12:36:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris But truly, I remember how exceptionally ungrateful I'm being. I thought it would take months or even years to convince I-RED how unworthy its Imperial "allies" were - yet those same "allies" did all my work for me, in six hours no less.
Partially untrue. The Knighthood has remained and still remains faithful in I-RED's insight, even if this declaration might have shaken some of us. Mutual blue standings remains unchanged. |

Yoshitaka Moromuo
Distant Light Galactic
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:07:00 -
[151]
The losses mentioned by Stalking Mantis are not disputed; however, CONCORD data can and does indicate that Distant Light Galactic withdrew its support from I-RED prior to the aforementioned operation. The matter surrounding such will not be discussed here.
Regardless, the losses suffered by [DISLG] pilots were minimal, and are easily recovered. Reparations or other remands will not be sought from [W-BR]. There is only the respectful request that the remainder of the 24-hour withdrawal-from-war period be honored.
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Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:36:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis
---------------------------- Hand, Hilt and Blade
Some time agoà soon after the Dragon came and we had to leave Home behindà Blade, Hilt and Hand gathered in the Airkio woods, for they wanted to return.
First spoke Blade: ôI want my home back. I am swift. I am strong. I will fight.ö
Then spoke Hilt: ôYou are strong. But you are blind. You cut friend and foe. I will be your guide.ö
Last spoke Hand: ôYou are powerful. But you are tools. I will be the master you will serve. Home belongs to Flesh and Blood.ö
ThatÆs why we master Isk. For Isk has no friend and no foe, only many slaves and a few masters.
ThatÆs why we serve a Corporation. As long as the Corporation works towards Home, and as long as it guide Isk, and are not its slave.
And thatÆs why, always remember: Last comes Isk. Before comes Corp. Before Corp comes Blood.
And Home comes first. --------------------------
Thank you for this reminder - I agree that the education of such ideals should be important to all Caldari. Let me offer a reminder in return, of how the present conflict began: a Wolf's teeth went astray and blindly cut a friend, indicating to our loyal pilots that such a 'sword' needed guidance.
Among the fierce and determined responses of the Wolfsbrigage pilots in this discussion, one can hear and appreciate the declarations of loyalty to the State, and recognize the undercurrent of a sense of betrayal. But, can you also not see how we first felt betrayed? We took it upon ourselves, with a rather blunt domestic war, to combat a perceived injustice.
So, since we are both groups of brave Caldari who will not back down from our duties, I hope we can join together in remembering the Home we aim for, though our pursuits take different paths.
Until the idea of resolution firmly implants itself in our minds, I have no reason to doubt the present conflict will endure the gains, losses, and loyalties of all our determined pilots. Our principles demand our response to hostility. Will we continue to waste our efforts on this dispute? Will a Wolf's bite always cut blindly? ---
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Alain Colcer
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:07:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: X Gallentius I would like to remind everybody that the Caldari Militia does not support The State, just one faction within The State - The State Protectorate.
So the Gallente Militia does not support The Federation, just one faction within The Federation - The Federal Defense Union?
Monsieur Nederland, under my understanding of what faction means, within the Federation there are trillions of factions, each for every person and citizen that lives within the sovereign territory of the Federation.
As far as i understand, the Federal Defence Union (Tag FEDEF actually) answers to the Federal Navy High Command and to the current President, Jacus Roden.
If you mean by faction, an aligntment to the Progressists, Populists, Unionists, or any other political parties, i wouldn't be able to answer truthfully....but my guess is there are many of each within the organization.
But from my understand as to whom the State Protectorate Forces answers to, it's solely to Tibus Heth. He in particular is classified under the Patriots faction.
So it may sound correct to say, there are factions within the State, but not so within the Federation.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.04 17:10:00 -
[154]
Edited by: X Gallentius on 04/04/2011 17:15:22
Originally by: Dex Nederland
So the Gallente Militia does not support The Federation, just one faction within The Federation - The Federal Defense Union?
Yes. We all like to believe we support the Federation, but in reality we support the FDU.
The Caldari are organized exactly along the same lines as the rest of New Eden, and so it's much easier to distinguish who the Caldari Militia are supporting.
In our case there are no proxy alliances from, say, Quafe, that have decided to fight us. It may have to do more with the fact that the solar systems make up the Federation, and not corporations that make up the State.
The only parallel I can think of is when the separatists in Intaki decided to ally themselves with the Caldari militia a couple years ago. They identified themselves with a solar system (Intaki), instead of a corporation (like Ishukone).
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Blake Rathen
Caldari Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:10:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis
I refer you to post 13 of this thread to see who drew first blood. I can also produce to the forum the actual chat logs and evemails Wolfsbrigade sent to the diplomats and the CEO of IRED. Sadly at the time your leadership scoffed at us with some kind of 'you are pirates and will be dealt with as such' mentality.
I personally sent clarifications to the IRED diplomatic contact and got no reply in return. Then IRED declared War on us. Hence they bypassed all diplomatic channels and attempts in a misguided and unresearched choice to declare war.
Thank you for your ernest reply, Pilot Mantis.
Regarding the combat logs you discuss, I agree that they reveal the outcomes of those engagements; however, these data do not indicate how the engagements were initiated.
Please see entry 22 for the reply to entry 13. By that account, Wolfsbrigade ships who were deployed in close combat support with other Protectorate pilots first *engaged* I-RED ships. I-RED disengaged due to our view that your pilots were friendlies. After establishing communications, the Protectorate fleet indicated that they did not recognize I-RED as a friendly and therefore considered us valid targets. Subsequently both fleets engaged on that premise, resulting in causualities to both Wolfsbrigade and I-RED.
Next, please refer to entry 29, in which your Brigadier General states that prior to the engagement his pilots were unable to distinguish I-RED from 'pirates'. It would be interesting to learn if it is the written policy of Wolfsbrigade to engage any entity - let alone State loyalist organizations - prior to establishing a diplomatic position, or to support other Protectorate pilots who follow such reckless protocols.
From the above evidence, it becomes clear that I-RED actions have been proportionate and responsive to the hostile behaviour Protectorate pilots first presented. It should be clarified that following the initial engagement in which the above Protectorate corporations were found to be hostile toward I-RED, standings toward them were set to 'valid targets'. Therefore, prior to a CONCORD official war, Protectorate aggression - in word and deed - had already established a da facto state of war.
Regarding your attempts at communication, we have already dispatched engineers to examine the comms router functionality. It would be a devastating embarassment to our quality assurance technicians if your messages were not properly delivered. As for the diplomatic implications, it would be surprising and disappointing if due diligence was not performed; we were in a state of daily operations in this area of low security space combating pirate activities. With our forces constantly on the front lines, an expedient decision was required to ensure proper support for our pilots.
Please indicate if any critical details in the above have been omitted. I look forward to your response to conclude this dispute and resolve the outstanding accusations against I-RED, which are clearly in opposition to our rules of engagement and historical operations.
I trust these details will not be taken as further fuel for the war, but rather as a regrettable basis from which to move forward. It would be to both our benefits to not only cease hostilities, but more importantly, to resolve to prevent future misunderstandings with formal agreements and standings. ---
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.04 23:18:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Stalking Mantis on 04/04/2011 23:21:31
Originally by: Blake Rathen Your Statement
After reviewing post 22 of this thread I would like to clarify the following:
1-In our warzone we recognize only three kinds of pilots. A-Gallente War Targets B-Pirates (Red Outlaws also known as æpiesÆ by lowsec lingo) C-Neutrals. Without going into what degree each of these three is treated (various shades of grey) I believe for the sake of this I will only refer to those three.
2-As far as I know we never had any standings with IRED prior to this so any æblue standingÆ you may have had with pilots fighting for the state would be a result of you diplomats setting automatic blue standing for the Caldari State. i.e. anyone in militia would show up as blue to you as a result of this.
3-Prior to these unfortunate incidents if we were to see an IRED fleet roaming the warzone they would show up to us as æneutralÆ
4-As explained before many a pilot fighting for the state can show up as a pirate due to said pilots sometimes aggressing what may seem like a neutral but would be in actuality a gallente agent, pirate corporation hauler/logistics pilot or any other æshade of greyÆ that one would understand when conducting day to day operations in this warzone. Not to mention a few over aggressive pilots that have been known to hide behind the milita banner but be a pirate at heart. Hence it is of the utmost importance for any new militia member to accurately set up his overview and cases of this friendly fire are a daily occurrence with any militia.
Bearing in mind the above I believe what happened to be as follows:
A: Someone from IRED engaged a militia pilot with negative standing under the assumption they were pirates. (see inaccurate overview settings)
B:A call was made out in the intel channels about a fleet ægoing pieÆ on a fellow militia member (something that happens about 10 times an hour in low security space)
C: Wolfsbrigade pilots were sent out to deal with what may have appeared to be a fleet ægoing pieÆ therefore fully making themselves a valid target for anyone in space. (See Global Criminal Countdown)
D:From here both IRED and WBR both assume they engaged valid pirates and the rest as they say is history
While the above is by no means a statement of facts it is my assumption on what has happened. Be that as it may the fact remains you have declared war on us disregarding diplomatic channels despite us trying said channels. The war is now mutual and this much is fact. Perhaps in the future more RESEARCH and GUIDANCE needs to be in effect before bluntly pushing the declare war button.
Enjoy your tea.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.04.05 00:45:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Alain Colcer As far as i understand, the Federal Defence Union (Tag FEDEF actually) answers to the Federal Navy High Command and to the current President, Jacus Roden.
...
But from my understand as to whom the State Protectorate Forces answers to, it's solely to Tibus Heth. He in particular is classified under the Patriots faction.
So it may sound correct to say, there are factions within the State, but not so within the Federation.
Originally by: The Caldari are not organized exactly along the same lines as the rest of New Eden, and so it's much easier to distinguish who the Caldari Militia are supporting.
*italics indicated added word
Colcer-jagii & Gallentius-jagii, it seems you have taken a liberty of defining a system which you are neither part of nor fully understand. I could infer that the FDU is controlled by Mentas Blaque and his Black Eagles and not actually by the President or Federal Navy in a parallel to your own inference.
On what premise do you attribute leadership of the State Protectorate & associated forces to be solely under Tibus Heth? Rewarding/sponoring medals to an organization's members does not mean the person is the organization's leader, but rather that the person wants to recongize what he/she believes to be a momentuos achievement.
KK is likely heavily invested in supporting the State Protectorate, but so are other corporations to varying degrees. In addition is the level of investment in the development rights auction, those corproations with the most invested have the most to gain from the State Protectorate's success (hint).
Tibus Heth self-identifies as a Caldari Patriot and he is the CEO of Kaalakiota, but that does not mean that all those who claim to be Caldari Patriots follow Kaalakiota's CEO blindly or even for the same purpose. As an example, you need look no further than the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve (link 1 & 2). Another example would be if/when my corporation is part of the State's militia forces, our interest would likely not include Intaki or Old Man Star.
But I understand your desire to "keep it simple" and attempt to divide the State's various corporate factions in order to better your own position.
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Hamish Grayson
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.04.05 02:03:00 -
[158]
Heth is not Kaalakiota. ============================================
It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword |

Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.04.05 04:57:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Hamish Grayson Heth is not Kaalakiota.
Correct. He's (techniclly speaking) Caldari Constructions.
EVELopedia has an error though and lists him as CEO of Kaalakiota.
*The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC. |

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.05 05:45:00 -
[160]
The Caldari government is not organized by corporations? Hmm, my Federation textbooks must be mistaken.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/681800
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Stalking Mantis
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.05 07:02:00 -
[161]
Originally by: X Gallentius The Caldari government is not organized by corporations? Hmm, my Federation textbooks must be mistaken.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/681800
BAH your textbooks. Did you read this? http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-06-09 ----------
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:46:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 05/04/2011 11:47:02
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
I-RED members obviously don't seem to know how wars work. Also, you should leave the protection of the state simply to those whose occupation being a soldier of the state is. The longer I-RED continues with this senseless struggle, the more damage they will cause to themselves, while not achieving anything that would help the state.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:43:00 -
[163]
Originally by: X Gallentius The Caldari government is not organized by corporations?
The State is a confederation of corporations. What little central government exist is a collaborative project/joint venture between the member corporations (largely the megacorporations). There are webs of investment linking the various corporations together in various ways.
The State Protectorate is not the Caldari Provisional Directorate. The first is a space-based capsuleer corporation, the second is an extra-corporate organization built around the persona of Tibus Heth. The State Protectorate was formed from the same CONCORD act that formed the [FEDEF], [24IC], and [TLF].
Originally by: Sylorin
Originally by: Hamish Grayson Heth is not Kaalakiota.
Correct. He's (techniclly speaking) Caldari Constructions.
EVELopedia has an error though and lists him as CEO of Kaalakiota.
I do not think Hamish-suulo was indicating that Tibus Heth is not the CEO of Caldari Constructions, Ytiri, and Kaalakiota, but rather Tibus Heth does not represent the totality of what Kaalakiota was, is, or will be.
The entry is likely in reference to this news item.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.05 14:03:00 -
[164]
I'm amazed that no other FDU pilots have publicly criticized this alliance. Corporations like my own have become friendly with a subsidiary of a corporate entity which we are currently at war with. In my opinion, Heydieles has sold out to a hostile mega-corporation in order to acquire small strategic gains (i.e. combat boosters and logistical support). If the Union is willing to ally with the subsidiaries of Caldari mega-corporations, why does it bother flying the Federal colors at all?
What the CEOs of Heydieles have done is tantamount to betraying the ideals that they had sworn to protect.
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Korsavius
Minmatar Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:37:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Korsavius on 05/04/2011 15:40:57
Originally by: Bluejacket CT I'm amazed that no other FDU pilots have publicly criticized this alliance. Corporations like my own have become friendly with a subsidiary of a corporate entity which we are currently at war with. In my opinion, Heydieles has sold out to a hostile mega-corporation in order to acquire small strategic gains (i.e. combat boosters and logistical support). If the Union is willing to ally with the subsidiaries of Caldari mega-corporations, why does it bother flying the Federal colors at all?
What the CEOs of Heydieles have done is tantamount to betraying the ideals that they had sworn to protect.
On the contrary, you and your fellow pilots who serve and work alongside FEDEF have sworn to protect the Federation against those of the State who attack you or your Federation. If you had the slightest clue about Ishukone policies and ideals then you would understand this "alliance" is a step towards achieving a peace between the State and Federation. Of course, the younger generations seem to have the most aggression and tendency to lean towards destructive violence rather than progressive treaties.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:59:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Korsavius
On the contrary, you and your fellow pilots who serve and work alongside FEDEF have sworn to protect the Federation against those of the State who attack you or your Federation. If you had the slightest clue about Ishukone policies and ideals then you would understand this "alliance" is a step towards achieving a peace between the State and Federation. Of course, the younger generations seem to have the most aggression and tendency to lean towards destructive violence rather than progressive treaties.
How can you pull out the "violence card" when your alliance declared war against and have shown much hostility towards Wolfsbrigade (whom you wouldn't have been able to combat had you not bought your way into Heydieles)? Most of the people whom you are now allied with have been aggressive and violent for a long time, but only now have sold out to your organization. Gallenteans should value civil liberties and the social contract over corporate interest, but we can all see now that much of the leadership of the FDU have compromised and cheapened the values that they (supposedly) champion. This is the culmination of a severe downward spiral within the Federation; including and certainly not limited to the rise of President Roden. Corporations operating within our space - of any ethnicity or government - need to be whipped into regulation lest we lose our identity and become the newest autocracy in the galaxy.
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.05 18:28:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa The reason no gallente militia ships were detroyed in that time frame was that in the region we were operating, no gallente militia pilots were encountered who met ROI requirements to be destroyed.
Now that was biased.
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa As for declaring war on Wolfsbrigade, they had regularly been engaging our patrols and we had had enough.
It was stated above why your patrols were engaged. Im not in the mood to repeat it again. Please read it.
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa And they continue to lie about what started the conflict between us.
Obviously YOUR war declaration and peace with several gallente corporations. Well, what about mutual attacks between Caldari forces and I-RED, no negotiations were made to solve it (at least I know nothing about it). On the other hand, negotiations with gallentes were confirmed in Q-CATs topic.
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa And do you not see the irony of taking the word of a pirate affiliated organization on matters of who is dealing with pirates?
Being too much into that 'pirate' hypocrisy lately, ain't you? Oh, maybe you were talking about I-RED as a pirate affiliated because of their confirmed NBSI policy in their region, eh?
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
So, you say, that the war has barely begun? For you - maybe. But for us war is what we do every day!
DEATH TO THE TRAITOROUS ALLIANCE!
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sYnc Vir
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.06 04:09:00 -
[168]
Edited by: sYnc Vir on 06/04/2011 04:10:08 Could someone point out to the rp'ers that living in lowsec FW means you only log in to go to war. Im not sure anyone in Wolfs actually care you wardec'ed us anymore. I know I dont. Everytime I see one of your pilots in local they are in a station and remain there for hours on end.
We like good fights.
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Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:24:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Stalking Mantis Edited by: Stalking Mantis on 04/04/2011 23:21:31
Originally by: Blake Rathen Your Statement
After reviewing post 22 of this thread I would like to clarify the following:
1-In our warzone we recognize only three kinds of pilots. A-Gallente War Targets B-Pirates (Red Outlaws also known as æpiesÆ by lowsec lingo) C-Neutrals. Without going into what degree each of these three is treated (various shades of grey) I believe for the sake of this I will only refer to those three.
2-As far as I know we never had any standings with IRED prior to this so any æblue standingÆ you may have had with pilots fighting for the state would be a result of you diplomats setting automatic blue standing for the Caldari State. i.e. anyone in militia would show up as blue to you as a result of this.
3-Prior to these unfortunate incidents if we were to see an IRED fleet roaming the warzone they would show up to us as æneutralÆ
4-As explained before many a pilot fighting for the state can show up as a pirate due to said pilots sometimes aggressing what may seem like a neutral but would be in actuality a gallente agent, pirate corporation hauler/logistics pilot or any other æshade of greyÆ that one would understand when conducting day to day operations in this warzone. Not to mention a few over aggressive pilots that have been known to hide behind the milita banner but be a pirate at heart. Hence it is of the utmost importance for any new militia member to accurately set up his overview and cases of this friendly fire are a daily occurrence with any militia.
Bearing in mind the above I believe what happened to be as follows:
A: Someone from IRED engaged a militia pilot with negative standing under the assumption they were pirates. (see inaccurate overview settings)
B:A call was made out in the intel channels about a fleet ægoing pieÆ on a fellow militia member (something that happens about 10 times an hour in low security space)
C: Wolfsbrigade pilots were sent out to deal with what may have appeared to be a fleet ægoing pieÆ therefore fully making themselves a valid target for anyone in space. (See Global Criminal Countdown)
D:From here both IRED and WBR both assume they engaged valid pirates and the rest as they say is history
While the above is by no means a statement of facts it is my assumption on what has happened. Be that as it may the fact remains you have declared war on us disregarding diplomatic channels despite us trying said channels. The war is now mutual and this much is fact. Perhaps in the future more RESEARCH and GUIDANCE needs to be in effect before bluntly pushing the declare war button.
Enjoy your tea.
Well, no ,not quite. I was in the fleet that Wolfsbrigde engaged. We were roaming around low sec looking for reds to engage and entered a system where Wolfsbridge and other militia were present. Friend chat ensued, initiated by the militia pilots to John and others in our fleet. Find no reds in that system we proceeded down the pipe a few more jumps and camped a gate. The militia fleet (with many of its pilotes set blue to us because of an earlier joint operation in Intaki) then entered the system where we were camped and engaged us. We withdrew and set them as valid targets and then a running battle ensured.
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Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:27:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 05/04/2011 11:47:02
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa Edited by: Marrano Cardosa on 03/04/2011 15:52:36 Is Wolfsbrigade in the habit of thinking that wars are a handful of engagements? Let me assure you that the war has barely begun and these initial skirmishes will have little impact on the final outcome.
I-RED members obviously don't seem to know how wars work. Also, you should leave the protection of the state simply to those whose occupation being a soldier of the state is. The longer I-RED continues with this senseless struggle, the more damage they will cause to themselves, while not achieving anything that would help the state.
So that would be a yes. As for damage to the State, seems to me that it is YOUR job to hold systems the State has taken, but that hasn't been happening lately.
Perhaps rather than attacking corporations ingaged in legitimate commerce you and yours should be paying more attention to taking and holding space for the Caldari State?
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Marrano Cardosa
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:31:00 -
[171]
Originally by: sYnc Vir Edited by: sYnc Vir on 06/04/2011 04:10:08 Could someone point out to the those living in lowsec FW means you only log in to go to war. Im not sure anyone in Wolfs actually care you wardec'ed us anymore. I know I dont. Everytime I see one of your pilots in local they are in a station and remain there for hours on end.
We like good fights.
So the pilot who destroyed your corporations Orca did it from within a station? I will certainly have to ask him what weapon he used, as I must get one too!
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:14:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Marrano Cardosa
So that would be a yes. As for damage to the State, seems to me that it is YOUR job to hold systems the State has taken, but that hasn't been happening lately.
Perhaps rather than attacking corporations ingaged in legitimate commerce you and yours should be paying more attention to taking and holding space for the Caldari State?
And your job is not to get into State affairs since you are fighting together with gallente militia. Unfortunately, we can't pay much attention to systems, because we have to deal with numerous traitors, declaring wars on our corporations, have any leads who they are? ;)
And we DO NOT attack legitimate commerce organizations, only those, who mess with our agenda in the warzone (or declaring wars on us?). You want to attack Caldari militia members? Your choice. But be prepared for consequences. We are the frontline of the State's defences, and we will protect the State, even if it means losing our lives to another traitorous alliance. --- We live and die for the State |

Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:24:00 -
[173]
Shadows of The Federation will not sit by and watch our old friends I-Red fight alone - Wolfsbrigade, you have less than 24 hours until the start of your demise.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:35:00 -
[174]
Wait, what? Ishuk-Raata, the group that declared war on Federal Defense Union corporations during the successful campaigns against Caldari occupation forces in Placid, is now the target of assistance as they have blundered themselves into a war against their Caldari kinsmen?
I don't suppose the people in the Federation deserve some kind of explanation on why you figure this is a good use of time, Gallactica?
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.17 19:41:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Julianus Soter Wait, what? Ishuk-Raata, the group that declared war on Federal Defense Union corporations during the successful campaigns against Caldari occupation forces in Placid, is now the target of assistance as they have blundered themselves into a war against their Caldari kinsmen?
I don't suppose the people in the Federation deserve some kind of explanation on why you figure this is a good use of time, Gallactica?
Pilot Soter, perhaps in 24 Hours our intent will be clearer. As it stands, our Corporation is currently tied up in CONCORD Red Tape. We will be assisting I-RED in their Private Conflict with Wolfsbrigade, however that particular goal happens to coincide with our other ongoing activities.
After Discussions with High Ranking members of the FDU Command Structure, once these Administrative difficulties are Cleared, we will be reactivating our Commission for the Federation and returning to the Frontlines as an Active Part of the Militia for a Tour of Duty. ---------------
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.17 19:55:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Julianus Soter Wait, what? Ishuk-Raata, the group that declared war on Federal Defense Union corporations during the successful campaigns against Caldari occupation forces in Placid, is now the target of assistance as they have blundered themselves into a war against their Caldari kinsmen?
I don't suppose the people in the Federation deserve some kind of explanation on why you figure this is a good use of time, Gallactica?
No.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.17 21:03:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Julianus Soter I don't suppose the people in the Federation deserve some kind of explanation on why you figure this is a good use of time, Gallactica?
I didn't realise Shadows of the Federation were directly accountable to the Federation's people.
Or, considering that Wolfsbrigade are enemies of the Federation, that fighting them represents any conflict of interest on SotF's part. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.17 21:03:00 -
[178]
YC113.04.17 Otawasa constellation Oshaima planet X Wolfsbrigade skirmish fleet high orbiting moon 1 Mission report
I-RED military outpost in Oshaima solar system was destroyed by State forces, effectively eliminating constant foe presence in the said system and threats to security of the State. No losses were incurred to the attacking side.
Glory to the State!
Reporting officer: Colonel D. Kim --- We live and die for the State |

Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.18 00:58:00 -
[179]
Sure is getting blobby out here...
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.19 20:26:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Bluejacket CT Sure is getting blobby out here...
Do not worry, we remember and will pay you a warming visit after we finish with the traitors  --- We live and die for the State |

Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 17:42:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Gallactica Shadows of The Federation will not sit by and watch our old friends I-Red fight alone - Wolfsbrigade, you have less than 24 hours until the start of your demise.
Yet just yesterday I was informed by your pilots that SOTF is in fact blue with Wolfsbrigade and would engage Gallente militia pilots that engage Wolfsbrigade. Questions regarding the extent and duration of the blue standings went unanswered so one must assume it is permanent.
You sir are a liar or have lost control of you own pilots. Either way SOTF's actions since re joining militia (and prior to for that matter) have done nothing but send us on a path toward civil war. While personally I wouldn't mind this in the least..I know its not what QCATS wants and it would not be in the Federation's best interest.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 17:56:00 -
[182]
Really? Which Pilot informed you of this?
The Official stance of the Leadership of SOTF with Regards to Wolfsbrigade is simple. At this time, they are a Member of an Enemy Militia and so are to be considered as KOS by all SOTF Pilots, same as any other Enemy Militia Member. ---------------
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:23:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Gallactica on 20/04/2011 18:25:06
Originally by: Princess Nexxala Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Gallactica Shadows of The Federation will not sit by and watch our old friends I-Red fight alone - Wolfsbrigade, you have less than 24 hours until the start of your demise.
Drivel
You sir really need to make sure you know what your talking about before making yourself look like a bit of the village idiot of Heyd.
We have no standings with Wolfsbrigade from the second we rejoined the Gallente militia, they are war targets plain and simple.
You seem to have a fixation wanting to start bad blood between our currently allied corporations, i cant seem to think of any other reason for your post. If you would like to check the current ship destruction notifications you will see they are littered with my pilots wrath towards them and also loss notifications where my members have lost ships to them.
I will be speaking to your corporation leadership for a public apology for these accusations.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:32:00 -
[184]
There seems to be no denying by anybody in SoTF that they were, as Princess Nexxala posted, blue to Wolfsbrigade before SoTF re-entered the Federation Militia.
Otherwise, I, personally, will take SoTF at their word (you've earned it Gallactica) until proven otherwise.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:40:00 -
[185]
Originally by: X Gallentius There seems to be no denying by anybody in SoTF that they were, as Princess Nexxala posted, blue to Wolfsbrigade before SoTF re-entered the Federation Militia.
Otherwise, I, personally, will take SoTF at their word (you've earned it Gallactica) until proven otherwise.
Thank you and vice versa we have a mutual respect X Gallentius.
I have not denied that we have had previous standings with Wolfsbrigade prior to us returning to fight for the Federation. But as i posted in this communication upon our return to this war they are targets pure and simple. And having your corp member publically say that he would like to have agression towards us makes me question his motives.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:49:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Gallactica Edited by: Gallactica on 20/04/2011 18:25:06
Originally by: Princess Nexxala Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Gallactica Shadows of The Federation will not sit by and watch our old friends I-Red fight alone - Wolfsbrigade, you have less than 24 hours until the start of your demise.
Drivel
You sir really need to make sure you know what your talking about before making yourself look like a bit of the village idiot of Heyd.
We have no standings with Wolfsbrigade from the second we rejoined the Gallente militia, they are war targets plain and simple.
You seem to have a fixation wanting to start bad blood between our currently allied corporations, i cant seem to think of any other reason for your post. If you would like to check the current ship destruction notifications you will see they are littered with my pilots wrath towards them and also loss notifications where my members have lost ships to them.
I will be speaking to your corporation leadership for a public apology for these accusations.
Check your own killboard, the blue op did in fact happen. I find it hard to believe you have no idea what your pilots are doing. Local logs will be posted later when I am able. The pilot who threatened to engage us was Tekitha. Which I am sure he would freely admit if you only asked him.
I honestly couldn't care if you participated in a blue op with wolfsbrigade. However YOUR pilots threatened QCATS. Yet all you can do throw immature insults toward me....sad really.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:51:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 18:53:13
Originally by: Gallactica
Originally by: X Gallentius There seems to be no denying by anybody in SoTF that they were, as Princess Nexxala posted, blue to Wolfsbrigade before SoTF re-entered the Federation Militia.
Otherwise, I, personally, will take SoTF at their word (you've earned it Gallactica) until proven otherwise.
Thank you and vice versa we have a mutual respect X Gallentius.
I have not denied that we have had previous standings with Wolfsbrigade prior to us returning to fight for the Federation. But as i posted in this communication upon our return to this war they are targets pure and simple. And having your corp member publically say that he would like to have agression towards us makes me question his motives.
No I am not wishing for aggression, I personally just don't really care about the matter. But when SOTF threatens to engage QCATS...I do care, a great deal in fact.
Also be advised I DO NOT speak for QCATS leadership and have not consulted with them on this matter. I speak my mind as any free Gallente can and should.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:54:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Princess Nexxala Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 18:53:13
Originally by: Gallactica
Originally by: X Gallentius There seems to be no denying by anybody in SoTF that they were, as Princess Nexxala posted, blue to Wolfsbrigade before SoTF re-entered the Federation Militia.
Otherwise, I, personally, will take SoTF at their word (you've earned it Gallactica) until proven otherwise.
Thank you and vice versa we have a mutual respect X Gallentius.
I have not denied that we have had previous standings with Wolfsbrigade prior to us returning to fight for the Federation. But as i posted in this communication upon our return to this war they are targets pure and simple. And having your corp member publically say that he would like to have agression towards us makes me question his motives.
No I am not wishing for aggression, I personally just don't really care about the matter. But when SOTF threatens to engage QCATS...I do care, a great deal in fact.
Also be advised I DO NOT speak for QCATS leadership and have not consulted with them on this matter. I speak my mind as any free Gallente can and should.
Oh well, Tekitha was probably just speaking his mind as any free gallente can and should too 
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:03:00 -
[189]
I blame Crimper! -----------------------------
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LizzardCUT
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:04:00 -
[190]
Fed Navy drones for sale cheap one
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:06:00 -
[191]
You will also notice an I-Red pilot on that information too.
There are situations where a temporary ceasefire is called on if there is a particular operation that is being run, we have and so have your corporation had joint operations with the Caldari to eliminate pirate threats.
Did you receive actual agression? or was it just a threat to make sure there were no incidents where blues would be shooting each other?
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Jay'hawk Blackstern
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:06:00 -
[192]
I usually just duct-tape exotics dancers to my drones, (They jiggle around rather erratically that way.) does that make them "Fed navy drones"?
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Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:14:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Local logs will be posted later when I am able. The pilot who threatened to engage us was Tekitha. Which I am sure he would freely admit if you only asked him.
IC:
my words were more of a warning than a threat ...
Tekitha > we have temp blue with squids btw Tekitha > u shoot them we shoot u
it is only natural that I shall protect my fleet mates with vigorous fervour.
Furthermore I shall make my allegiences where I please and when I take pilots into my fleet they will be afforded the same protection regardless of their background or affiliation. This includes me returning fire on any member of any militia or other group who may decide to use agressive means to jeapordise the objectives of my fleet.
Thank you
OOC:
ehm ... why am I in a RP thread, ugh
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Dev trade ot1on
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:16:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Tekitha
Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Local logs will be posted later when I am able. The pilot who threatened to engage us was Tekitha. Which I am sure he would freely admit if you only asked him.
IC:
my words were more of a warning than a threat ...
Tekitha > we have temp blue with squids btw Tekitha > u shoot them we shoot u
it is only natural that I shall protect my fleet mates with vigorous fervour.
Furthermore I shall make my allegiences where I please and when I take pilots into my fleet they will be afforded the same protection regardless of their background or affiliation. This includes me returning fire on any member of any militia or other group who may decide to use agressive means to jeapordise the objectives of my fleet.
Thank you
OOC:
ehm ... why am I in a RP thread, ugh
/facepalm
You are a traiter to the federation tekitha.
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vagy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:19:00 -
[195]
traiter **** 
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:23:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Gallactica You will also notice an I-Red pilot on that information too.
There are situations where a temporary ceasefire is called on if there is a particular operation that is being run, we have and so have your corporation had joint operations with the Caldari to eliminate pirate threats.
Did you receive actual agression? or was it just a threat to make sure there were no incidents where blues would be shooting each other?
Of course there was no actual aggression. My pilots are skilled enough to out maneuver an armor BS/T3 fleet. We engaged and destroyed one of your blue Falcons and then disengaged when the SOTF fleet appeared to move into position to engage us. If I was looking for a fight or to cause some sort of diplomatic issue I would of ordered my group to continue engaging. I disengaged to avoid exactly that.
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Rodney Crittendon
Caldari Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 20:10:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Tekitha
Tekitha > we have temp blue with squids btw Tekitha > u shoot them we shoot u
So, when does this expire?
Tekitha, does this mean if a squid war target is on grid, and you are too, that I should assume you are going to attack me if I attack the enemies of the Federation?
I am confused by this. I just want to help the Federation by engaging it's enemies, but am now not sure who those are.
Are you fighting for the Gallente full time or part time? If part time, please list the times/days that you are not so I can be sure who my valid targets are.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:02:00 -
[198]
Has Qcats never made these temporary arrangements?
Since your pilots are skilled enough to manoeuvre around our fleet and Princess Nexalla apparently knows who we've got blue I'm not sure it's that ambiguous a situation to parse.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:10:00 -
[199]
Following on from Annie's comments - as you well know rodney we have had these arrangements when the situation arises on numerous occasions including with members of your Corp, I'm sure a number of people in your Corp can vouch this too including ex members of my Corp and yours.
Have we ever had an issue in the past? No, so why would there be an issue now unless you are looking for one.
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Andre Vauban
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:25:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Andre Vauban on 20/04/2011 21:27:12
Originally by: Annie Anomie Has Qcats never made these temporary arrangements?
Since your pilots are skilled enough to manoeuvre around our fleet and Princess Nexalla apparently knows who we've got blue I'm not sure it's that ambiguous a situation to parse.
Originally by: Gallactica Following on from Annie's comments - as you well know rodney we have had these arrangements when the situation arises on numerous occasions including with members of your Corp, I'm sure a number of people in your Corp can vouch this too including ex members of my Corp and yours.
Have we ever had an issue in the past? No, so why would there be an issue now unless you are looking for one.
QCATS, let's not let this miscommunication get even more out of hand.
Yes, QCATS temp blues the squids to fight pirates. However, this all stemmed from MASSIVE lack of communication. Normally, we're all in the same intel channels so we can tell each other WHY we are doing it. The problem was last night this was communicated via local chat, then "telephoned" around, and most people were going off third or fourth hand information. Was SOTF and W-BR going to go after I-RED who had a large fleet in Fliet at the time? Were they going after Invicta who also had a large fleet around Heyd/Indreg? Where the squids really blue with SOTF or was Tek just joking around?
Can't we all get along? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
EDIT: Didn't somebody mention naked hugs?
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:56:00 -
[201]
^^ and common sense prevails!
Being accused of being a liar etc will generate a response especially when probably 99% of your Corp know me personally and know my ways.
Once the accusation of what he said isnt a good basis for friends. |

Rodney Crittendon
Caldari Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:57:00 -
[202]
Hey, I am just trying to make sense out of this.
Tek did not say WHICH squids he was blue with or for how long. (I know it says temp, but that is a bit ambiguous.)
From his own post it looks to me to be ALL squids and that does not compute.
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Ender Sparrow
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:35:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Ender Sparrow on 20/04/2011 22:35:34 Edited by: Ender Sparrow on 20/04/2011 22:35:14 Caldari MOA Transmission:
"Caldari MOA to Caldari Vessels, Intercepted the transmission. Everything okay out there?"
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Ammon Dei
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:58:00 -
[204]
UGH, Chatgris clean up Aisle 13.
Official response coming soon I would imagine. Both sides made some pretty big assumptions. And as with most arguments among friends this comes from a Lack of communication between entities with in the Gallente Militia.
This needs to be rectified ASAP. Enough with the musical intelligence channels. Enough with the EU intel channel and the US intel channel within the Gallente Militia. Most of this would have been fixed had both sides understood what was going on in the first place and communicated diplomatically. Instead of smacking in the local intel channel.
The official response from QCATS will be incoming shortly, as well as open dialog between both parties to follow along the diplomatic lines of communication.
Luminaire General Ammon Dei QCATS
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 23:05:00 -
[205]
Gal, I simply posed a question...I made no accusations. I stated only facts. You responded with silly insults. I guess there is no discussing this with someone like yourself.
Annie, Tek claimed all squids were blue. Silly as that sounds, that's exactly what he claimed. And again I must state we disengaged to avoid an issue once I learned of the blue standings. My reference to your fleet was simply with the ships it had, it had no chance to engage us. It wasn't an insult at all...you guys have some damn fine pilots.
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Greg6
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.21 01:38:00 -
[206]
The truth is that in the final analysis too many folk on both sides don't want to have positive relations between SotF and the Heyd corps. If we worked as hard to get along as we do to fight we'd have nothing but hearts and flowers. Gee, Tek shows up in Heyd local and threatens to shoot anyone who does something he tells them not to? How could that generate anything but a positive response? And them PN jumps on the board and makes some inflammatory comments? Amazing that that didn't calm everyone down and make peace, isn't it?
Too many folk on both sides are too full of themselves, their RP, and their remembered grudges to actually move past anything. In short, they are spoiled children who can not drag their perspective out of their own navels and are convinced that only they understand what is going on while everyone on the other side is an egotist, unable to fit a ship, or so on. All while the asshattery is equally distributed.
Honestly, these are the relations that a good chunk of both groups want. Unless and until the grown ups in both groups start disciplining their own children, rather than point the fingers at the group of kids across the playground, we'll continue to ride these drama llamas. Which, I can only conclude, is just what some of us want, tbh....
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.21 11:13:00 -
[207]
As i have said on many occasions - My door is always open for anyone to contact me to ask a question or query anything, But PN, you didnt ask a question you accused me of being a liar or losing control of my corp which i will take personal offence to. If i didnt consider you guys friends we would already be at war.
Both Ammon Dei and Greg6 know me personally and also know how much work i put in trying to build relationships with you guys as allies and friends, if you would have at least spoken to me first or even them before communicating this on this channel this "bickering" would not have happened.
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Bhramin
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:08:00 -
[208]
I believe there to be greater threats to the Federtaion than the pilots who fight for the Calardi, these threats also pose a menance to the State and so those charged with protecting our two civilisations would be in folly to not stand together to meet these mutual threats. Many privately owned corporations can now compare thier power to the great navies of the Federation and the State and it is the threat from these corporations of which I speak. If the militia pilots of Heydilies prefer to defend the borders of Federation space, that is thier own perogative, however we will take the fight to the corporations who answer to no government.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:45:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Gallactica As i have said on many occasions - My door is always open for anyone to contact me to ask a question or query anything, But PN, you didnt ask a question you accused me of being a liar or losing control of my corp which i will take personal offence to. If i didnt consider you guys friends we would already be at war.
Fair enough Gal, didn't realize you would be so sensitive on the issue or I would have worded it differently. Preventing war was exactly the reason I spoke up here. You have no idea the animosity this type of arrogant behavior causes.
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.22 10:43:00 -
[210]
*runs from corner to corner of unfurnished captain quarters*
Emergency! Emergency! Enemies captures our thread!
*accidentally runs into unpowered glass screen and falls on her back*
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JT133
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Posted - 2011.04.23 02:01:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Gallactica Edited by: Gallactica on 20/04/2011 18:25:06
Originally by: Princess Nexxala Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 20/04/2011 17:44:19
Originally by: Gallactica Shadows of The Federation will not sit by and watch our old friends I-Red fight alone - Wolfsbrigade, you have less than 24 hours until the start of your demise.
Drivel
You sir really need to make sure you know what your talking about before making yourself look like a bit of the village idiot of Heyd.
We have no standings with Wolfsbrigade from the second we rejoined the Gallente militia, they are war targets plain and simple.
You seem to have a fixation wanting to start bad blood between our currently allied corporations, i cant seem to think of any other reason for your post. If you would like to check the current ship destruction notifications you will see they are littered with my pilots wrath towards them and also loss notifications where my members have lost ships to them.
I will be speaking to your corporation leadership for a public apology for these accusations.
Confirming that Wolfsbrigade has no standings established with Shadows Of The Federation. On the contrary, we are in a state of war with them and employ whatever means necessary to terminate them. As stated previously in this thread, at certain times, operations are put into effect that are mutually beneficial to both corporations. Do not assume that this means positive standings are in effect.
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Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:23:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 23/04/2011 19:24:35
Originally by: JT133
Confirming that Wolfsbrigade has no standings established with Shadows Of The Federation. On the contrary, we are in a state of war with them and employ whatever means necessary to terminate them. As stated previously in this thread, at certain times, operations are put into effect that are mutually beneficial to both corporations. Do not assume that this means positive standings are in effect.
How can you state such things when you run blue ops with them on a nightly basis? SOTF has also been repairing you while you are engaged with Gallente Militia.
The only thing you all are confirming is your inability to tell the truth.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:20:00 -
[213]
I suggest that QCats leadership speaks to there pilot, I have stated our position but he now seems intent on causing very soon to be irrecoverable problems.
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Lianna Darkefyre
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:07:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Lianna Darkefyre on 24/04/2011 15:09:04 EDIT: Wrong Settings, See Below for Correct Character
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:10:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Gallactica I suggest that QCats leadership speaks to there pilot, I have stated our position but he now seems intent on causing very soon to be irrecoverable problems.
In Fact, we'll be in touch with the QCATS Leadership Directly to discuss this Matter. Having given this matter some thought, we believe that there is still a place for Dialogue to resolve this Issue peacefully between our Corporations without resorting to Mud Slinging on the IGS. ---------------
Image from Crumplecorn's DesuSigs |

Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:44:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Princess Nexxala
The only thing you all are confirming is your inability to tell the truth.
ok let's inject a little truth into this thread then shall we ...
during the USTZ SOTF has roughly 5 guys active, WBR often has 10-15 guys active and QCATS / SLAPD have, what, 40-50 ... From those numbers it's quite clear that 1) SOTF cannot field a fleet to fight WBR and 2) WBR cannot field a fleet to fight QCATS
so instead of 4 hours of incessant cat and mouse, SOTF and WBR often form joint fleets to go roaming, these roams always head a long long way from the gal / cal FW area so as to avoid these silly issues, unfortunately a certain amount of time has to be spent moving thru "hot" systems with wartargets from one side or the other who aren't in fleet gunning for us.
now lets look at some other reasons why these blue fleets are happening.
For one, SOTF is being denied access to the QCATS / SLAPD shared intel channel (GMI) and having repeatedly asked in the other SOTF run shared intel channel (GM2) my calls for backup or "joint ops" continually go unheard or seemingly without reply.
secondly, SOTF and WBR built up a huge mutual respect during our time in FW before we took hiatus to nullsec and ironically, when we dropped FW WBR were literally 'the only' corporation from FW who made any attempt to keep in contact with us, we shared an intel channel, we had blue standings and whenever SOTF or our alliance were in blackrise they were always first to offer us there support, which on occasion extended as far as 30 man BS gangs to help us defend alliance assets ... There was never any such interest from QCATS or SLAPD about maintaining any kind of relations with SOTF.
the real truth is, if it werent for game mechanics we probably would have joined caldari, or even WBR may have joined gallente, ofc our "official" blue standing has been dropped (it would be silly to actually keep wartargets permanently blue) and during most of the day we continue to shoot at each other at any oppertunity, however in the interest of staying friends (we're not all children who think that the other guy were shooting at must be an evil ****) we will occasionally form blue ops to fight pirates or maybe even go roaming if black rise is quiet.
Now make of that what u will, I make no apology here (from either myself or SOTF) about our behaviour and it will continue this way until we (SOTF, NOT QCATS) decide otherwise ... just as I would expect no apology from QCATS regarding the warmongering that Nexxala has been posting in this thread.
that is all Don't believe the hype! |

Princess Nexxala
Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.24 19:28:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Tekitha just as I would expect no apology from QCATS regarding the warmongering that Nexxala has been posting in this thread.
that is all
Warmongering?
Pointing out inconsistencies from official SOTF statements is warmongering?
Questioning your corp's dedication to the war effort is warmongering?
Warmongering is throwing childish insults toward someone who is simply questioning your actions.
Warmongering is repairing war targets while they are in combat with Gallente militia
Warmongering is insulting fellow Gallente militia in local.
If you stop these things I don't see any reason for a silly war, blue ops are not the issue. If you take a step back and view the situation in a bit more of a mature manner maybe you will realize this is a lot simpler then you may think.
Now as far as not being allowed in that particular intel channel, that has NOTHING to do with QCATS. It's not our channel! The sad thing is, you already knew that. Most Qcats didn't even know you were not allowed in there, including myself. Also no one in QCATS was ever told you were resurrecting your old intel channels, we were forced to leave said channel based on your hostile actions toward us while not in Gallente militia.
Now I speak here because my leadership doesn't. If they agree with me or not I do not know. But I refuse to sit by and say nothing when I see such blaring disrespect toward QCATS.
Oh and one more thing Tek and Gal...SLAPD is not QCATS and vice versa. And QCATS most certainly are not the same as some of the other corps that choose to live in heyd. Try taking a step toward understanding that first.
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Koratte
Gallente Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.24 20:04:00 -
[218]
Originally by: LizzardCUT Fed Navy drones for sale cheap one
Have I ever mentioned I farking love you Liz?
Originally by: Andre Vauban Where the squids really blue with SOTF or was Tek just joking around?
Sorry, why would Tek joke about that? "OH HAI LOL DON'T KILL THEM TILL THEY KILL YOU FIRST KTHX."
Originally by: Princess Nexxala The only thing you all are confirming is your inability to tell the truth.
The only thing you are confirming is your inability to not be a f4ggot.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:53:00 -
[219]
It is very disturbing hearing that SoTF has been remote repping Caldari militia pilots in fights with Federation Militia pilots for the past three nights, including remote repping the pilots on this killmail Ghey SOTF RR.
It appears I have placed my trust in the wrong people. For that I am ashamed and apologize to my fellow Federation Militia pilots.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 03:30:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Koratte ...
Wow...and to think that I used to hold W-BR in high regard... Very....'mature'.
@ SOTF:
Warmongering?
Hmmm... Ironic since it is SOTF members who show a complete lack of maturity and respect in local and public channels toward fellow militia pilots. Yes, there will always be disagreements, but prior to and upon your retuirn from 0.0, SOTF has shown a consitant behavior in public to indicate a definate culture of disrespect towards so called "allies".
And now we have the above KM...
No one wants an inter-militia war gentlmen. But neither are we just gonna sit back and be spat upon, day after day.
I could care less who you guys fly with and when. As a free pilot of the Federation, I have chosen to avoid SOTF pilots when able since the implosion of the MDP, as I choose not to be associated with your corp. Judging by your recent PUBLIC actions, it would seem to further do so is well justified.
It's actually quite a shame. Our two corps used to have a good thing going, but it is now clear from very public comments and actions by senior SOTF personnel that such a partnership is of the past.
As prior statements were inconsistant with observed actions, attempting to get a straight answer as to your corp's intentions is far from warmongering. However, consistant public disrespect is. |

JT133
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:14:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Princess Nexxala Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 23/04/2011 19:24:35
Originally by: JT133
Confirming that Wolfsbrigade has no standings established with Shadows Of The Federation. On the contrary, we are in a state of war with them and employ whatever means necessary to terminate them. As stated previously in this thread, at certain times, operations are put into effect that are mutually beneficial to both corporations. Do not assume that this means positive standings are in effect.
How can you state such things when you run blue ops with them on a nightly basis? SOTF has also been repairing you while you are engaged with Gallente Militia.
The only thing you all are confirming is your inability to tell the truth.
We befriended SOTF when they defacted from the Gallente militia and joined RAGE however once they re-joined the Gallente militia any standings in place were removed (Standings Transaction ID #5288415375 set on 18th April YC111). Once outside of the factional warfare area of engagement and boundaries we do assist each other in eliminating pirates in uncontrolled non-empire space, this is for the good of us all and even in times of war we can better the safety of all of our people by eliminating rogue elements that pose a threat to us all. In regard to SOTF repairing our ships, we must pass through the Black Rise and Placid regions to reach null security space, yet QCATS amongst other Heydieles corporations belonging the the Federal Defense Union seem intent on hindering our travels. We attempted to give you fair warning to disengage before, yet it appears that you are keen to engage us regardless of what we say and hence SOTF were forced to repair us to ensure the continuity of the fleet and the operation.
Remember what your Senator said, Ms. Nexxala. Watch your words, your heinous allegations that we would lie in a public forum does no favours to you and your corporation.
"The laws of the Federation were written for the good of the many. Not the good of the Gallente nor the good of the Caldari. Hopefully, we can help them remember this." - Gallente Senator Fronte Belliare, Senate session 23154/T3782. CE 23154.11.21
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:32:00 -
[222]
I haven't seen anything about this yet, but after personally watching my friend lose his proteus to a joint sotf/squid fleet while sotf repped the caldari he was trying to get away from, and even shooting him during it, instead of helping a fellow gallente pilot, I just can't hold back anymore.
SOTF has been belligerent with the Heyd resident corps since the MDP fell apart when the BI-PO ceo Eddie "titan scam" Valvetino decided to form an allaince and crown himself emperor and **** on everybodys head, except what him and his friends considered the "worthy" corps QCATS and SOTF.
When his proposal fell through, a lot of hate and venom was spat from his minions, including but not limited to tekitha, lockout (byron), Hyde, among others. Granted people like Wladislaw were always douches. And since SLAPD was split form QCATS during this time, they decided for some reaon to blame us for their failures. Bi-Po soon failcascaded for inactivity and for getting ****d in a wardec by then Bacardis corp 8th Fleet or something like it.
So after the failcascade, many bi-po pilots joined SOTF since they were sister corps, played at the same timezone and were based out of Niswua, despite having run fleets together for a long time. It was only natural.
So they played together, no doubt slithering venom towards my corp and the other "Heyd People" as they jokingly refer to us. They started shooting my corpmates for ridiculous reasons like a noob looting some ammo from a wreck, even after returning it. There was never a diplomatic mail asking for stolen loot or apologies for shooting a gcc member of ours, or shooting a member of ours shooting pirates (BYDI) that they were in "temp-blue" taht no one know about. This term was to be used many times.
After many eons of nis corps doing their thing on eutz and heyd corps doing their thing on ustz, because we are split mainly by timezones, and many hidden snake cloak/warp core stab fleets and much lowsec daily activities, and after sotf becoming friends with their only local oponent, wolfsbrigade, they got bored to death and decided to join the NC, probably at suggestion of their BFF wolfsbrigade. They join rage and then the alliance is invaded by the Russians and PL and gets stomped, so sotf naturally never had what it takes to live in 0.0, and i say this not as a stab, but because 0.0 lag/blob warfare is really ****, and sotfis a lowsec corp with skilled pilots used to flying small gangs to 30 pilots usually.
Meanwhile, the olden bi-po infiltrators keep trying to gank Heyd corps with their wolfs brosefs. They attempt to hotdrop us with a large armor b, logi and carrier support but get anihilated because of drunken fcing by lockout. See it here.
But it was all good because they were not in militia. Sure it looks tacky to be shooting your ex blues, but no one really complained about it. But then they run a temp blue op with gal mil, and then a few minutes later they go gcc on my corp mate, after telling us all that they were coming back to militia. Good way to start, lets gank our ex friend after running a blue op right before we rejoin the "alliance". Then this is followed by a lot of forum venom in this thread "wer back, sup 'Heyd People'".
And now the above mentioned proteus kill where they gank my friend that was pointed by a random squid, he cant do anything because suddenly the people he is trying to shoot are being repped by the same people who are his blues and alliance mates. ' SOTF are traitors to the federation, don't honor blues (guess whos on the km with the squids) and **** on the head of everyone that doesn't svck their short euro d!cks. There is a reason a large part of the gallente militia despises SOTF today.
cont...
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:45:00 -
[223]
Continuing the above post.
Despite all the anymosity seeping from the bi-po infiltrators, SOTF used to be a really nice corp with friendly people. Gallactica specially always stroke me as a very mature older player that was always very friendly and easy to talk to. Sort of like Ammon Dei.
The problem is the bi-po players keep spreading venom at every opportunity, rallying animosity against the "Heyd People" to forward and justify their pathetic vendetta to become the next [FAIL]BANE alliance. So in essence, Gallactica has lost control of his corporation. He may very well recognize that what his membership now largely (maybe i am wrong and it is just a minority for now) believe is a load of bvll****, but recognizing and calling them out for it will look very bad for his constituency, so he has to look like he is protecting them when other militia pilots call sotf out on its rudeness and treasonous behavior.
I guess the bi-po infection has already assimilated the corporation, and they will surely suffer for it just as wolfy did and bi-po did.
But look, my beef with you is not that you act like ****s, talk smack, and behave like as*hats, it is majorly that you are supposed to be part of my team. If you want to suck caldari ba!!s, jus merge your corporation into Wolfsbrigade since you may not have the standings for it, and then after running some missions like you seem to do so much, given the clutter of fw mods on market atm, you can all rejoin sotf and go play Tibus Heth Mercenary turncoats for all I care.
It will be best for everyone. No more being traitors, just one big fat euro blob that has to travel 20+ jumps to get a worthy gank, and on the plus side you wont even have to camp the nourv gate anymore.
Just wanted to say that you Done Goofing, and Consequences Will Never Be The Same. Respectfully,
Neo Gabriel, Luminaire General
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:10:00 -
[224]
Allying with Caldari corps and shooting Gallente militia while *not* in the Gallente militia? Fine by me.
Rejoining Gallente militia, but still liking Caldari corps and doing blue ops with them? I'm OK with that too.
Choosing to remain neutral and not assist Gallente pilots that are actively engaged with Caldari pilots? That's OK too.
But HELPING Caldari pilots who are engaged with Gallente pilots while you're in the Gallente militia? THAT'S what I (and most everyone else) have a problem with. Gallactica at least seems to want an amiable relationship with the rest of the Gallente militia, and I applaud him for that, but the words and actions of some other SotF members are simply inexcusable.
Also, the hypocrisy of the OP under the light of recent developments is hilarious.
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:17:00 -
[225]
Taste your own medicine, Q-CATS. --- We live and die for the State |

Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:19:00 -
[226]
Edited by: Chicken W1ng on 25/04/2011 05:21:05 Regarding the dead proteus which is why you guys apparently got sand in your genitals, causing you to make a fuss about it on the forums... As mentioned engaging our fleet blindly wasn't the best thing to do. If you are looking for someone to blame, the first person to look at should always be yourself.
Wether there were SOTF reps on WBR pilots or not wouldn't have changed the fact that the proteus would be dead meat in the end, so what is this all about?
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:23:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Aerilis on 25/04/2011 05:23:23
Originally by: Chicken W1ng Regarding the dead proteus which is why you guys apparently got sand in your genitals, causing you to make a fuss about it on the forums... As mentioned engaging our fleet blindly wasn't the best thing to do. If you are looking for someone to blame, the first person to look at should always be yourself.
"Oh, my ally is doing something not so smart, I'm going to help his enemies kill him instead of helping him out of his predicament"
Makes sense....
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:34:00 -
[228]
You can't seriously be so narrow-minded, can you?
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:34:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Chicken W1ng
Wether there were SOTF reps on WBR pilots or not wouldn't have changed the fact that the proteus would be dead meat in the end, so what is this all about?
SOTF could have repaired the Proteus, and in the case of one pilot (which was likely a pilot error and not malice); not shot at it.
SOTF did none of this, and instead continued to maintain a capacitor transfer in aid to those who were killing a T3 of their own militia.
This was the course of action that their FC decided upon, he chose to let our corp member die to mutual war targets instead of providing assistance and avoiding an incident.
If I am incorrect on any of these points, let me know. Many Heydieles residents including myself have worked hard to improve inter-corp relations with the residents of Nisuwa, and we are still trying. In the meantime, this needs a serious explanation.
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Chicken W1ng
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:43:00 -
[230]
The thing is, those things you mention don't really matter. In reality you just can't interfere with other corps operations like that and assume you would automatically get support, only because there are some "purple" pilots on the field. Even if we wouldn't have had a fleet together, there are literally tons of other things that could happen, so this doesn't change the fact that the proteus' pilot action was stupid, giving him no rights to accuse others for what he did. So please give us a rest of this hypocritical behaviour, which is merely an attempt to badmouth SOTF for your own stupidity.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 06:18:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Chicken W1ng The thing is, those things you mention don't really matter. In reality you just can't interfere with other corps operations like that and assume you would automatically get support, only because there are some "purple" pilots on the field. Even if we wouldn't have had a fleet together, there are literally tons of other things that could happen, so this doesn't change the fact that the proteus' pilot action was stupid, giving him no rights to accuse others for what he did. So please give us a rest of this hypocritical behavior, which is merely an attempt to badmouth SOTF for your own stupidity.
Please show me where I said anything at all in this thread about my actions. You need a lesson in reading, not to mention you happen to be a terrible pilot yourself. This thread and the discussion is not about what I or anyone else will lose due to the treason of SOTF and those that fly with a corp like W-BR, it's about the fact that a SOTF member fired upon me, and that other miltia members openly supported the attacking parties with logistics and if we had a more equally sized fleet, I have no doubt it would of gotten to a point were your "temp blues" were going to rep you and watch us die or better yet, more than the one SOTF pilot would of jumped on the mail. Apparently when SOTF left RAGE the agreed to still be NC pets, as it's pretty obvious now you all operate in much the same manner as NC fleets anyways. We've all heard about W-BR ridiculous "no losses in fleets" policy, and some of the more reasonable members of the Caldari miltia split off since being mindless blobbing ***s was no longer fun. But please Chicken Wing, continue to present us with your excellent analysis of this situation, and now that I actually HAVE said something, you can use what I said in this thread instead of claiming I was crying about anything. Personally I think you are just bitter you've lost so many overly expensive ships that you killed one and now want to believe I engaged thinking I had a chance against my own militia with your fleet combined. If I had known about the ridiculous agreement SOTF and other Federal Defence Union pilots had made, I never would of fired a shot. SOTF isn't my favorite bunch but I thought better of them until now. I hope this is resolved, but regardless of whether or not it is, you'll never see me crying about a ship loss, but you will see me making sure that those that shoot blues and active militia members are dealt with.
Derp Commander and Distributor of Helmets Jack Coutu
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Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tekitha [yellow]OOC comment removed. Spitfire/yellow]
Seriously spitfire ... WTF dude, my post bore complete relevance to this thread, and altho it may have been OOC (like 75% of the other posts here) certainly didn't need deleting, u think I spend my time writing posts for fun?!?
Anyway I'll make this brief since it'll prolly be censored like the last one
ppl referring to the whole bipo era and what may or may not have happened to destroy the MDP, or for that matter the circumstances around sotf joining and leaving RAGE ( and seriously u guys have ur facts so skewed on this it's laughable) that proteus pilot lost his ship thru his own stupidity, HE made the assumption that 2 "seemingly" non aligned fleets (altho it had been common knowledge for 4 hours previous that we were in the same fleet) were fighting, HE made The decision to agress! 1 sotf pilot shot at him ... Who was subsequently reprimanded for that action and the rest of us sat by and lolled at his foolish assumption that we would help him (tbh the truth of the matter is he thought we were already fighting and he wanted to ***** on killmails) who's at fault here I ask?
End of the day sotf has not, and indeed will not shoot other gallente militia (for purely standings based reasons) if certain gallente pilots make the assumption without first enquiring as to what is actually happening on a gate, well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates) does this really sound unreasonable?
I could go on but since I expect to see yellow text here courtesy of spitfire in the next few hours, I won't bother. Don't believe the hype! |

Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 07:48:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Tekitha
Originally by: Tekitha [yellow]OOC comment removed. Spitfire/yellow]
Seriously spitfire ... WTF dude, my post bore complete relevance to this thread, and altho it may have been OOC (like 75% of the other posts here) certainly didn't need deleting, u think I spend my time writing posts for fun?!?
Anyway I'll make this brief since it'll prolly be censored like the last one
ppl referring to the whole bipo era and what may or may not have happened to destroy the MDP, or for that matter the circumstances around sotf joining and leaving RAGE ( and seriously u guys have ur facts so skewed on this it's laughable) that proteus pilot lost his ship thru his own stupidity, HE made the assumption that 2 "seemingly" non aligned fleets (altho it had been common knowledge for 4 hours previous that we were in the same fleet) were fighting, HE made The decision to agress! 1 sotf pilot shot at him ... Who was subsequently reprimanded for that action and the rest of us sat by and lolled at his foolish assumption that we would help him (tbh the truth of the matter is he thought we were already fighting and he wanted to ***** on killmails) who's at fault here I ask?
End of the day sotf has not, and indeed will not shoot other gallente militia (for purely standings based reasons) if certain gallente pilots make the assumption without first enquiring as to what is actually happening on a gate, well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates) does this really sound unreasonable?
I could go on but since I expect to see yellow text here courtesy of spitfire in the next few hours, I won't bother.
Who are you?
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Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 07:57:00 -
[234]
^^. wow, errr, nobody with any relevance to this thread I guess ... :) Don't believe the hype! |

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:42:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Annie Anomie on 25/04/2011 09:44:39 Jack Coutu has been directing "slithering venom" at us non-stop since we got back. To be perfectly honest, we just don't like him.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:49:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Tekitha well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates)
Are you confirming that your logis have been repping war targets that are engaging Heydieles corps?
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 10:41:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Bluejacket CT
Originally by: Tekitha well we will simply sit by and watch the outcome (or indeed rep our fleet mates)
Are you confirming that your logis have been repping war targets that are engaging Heydieles corps?
Don't think we had to. It melted pretty quickly.
The cap chain would have still been up however.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 11:42:00 -
[238]
The Proteus pilot who lost his ship will be Re-imbersed and you have my sincerest apologies for that, the pilot in question will be dealt with.
Rather than have all this garbage spouted i suggest a meeting be called to let people get these things off there chest. In all honesty this has been brewing for a long time now and a lot of this have needed to be said, and hopefully once and for all we can draw a line under the past.
SoTF isn't perfect and we do make mistakes and when we do you have to hold your hand up, man up and admit them.
Can the leader of the respective corps contact me to arrange a suitable time.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.25 11:56:00 -
[239]
It is amusing to note that at the beginning of this thread, I-RED were taking the brunt of the verbal mudslinging for their support of certain Federation militia corps. Gentlemen like Neo Gabriel (not singling you out, just giving example) made some very smug comments about a once-loyal Caldari corporation that seemed to have shifted sides.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot and a once Fed-loyal group are allegedly assisting the Caldari, all I hear is lament.
The wheel turns, does it not gentlemen?
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Bhramin
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.25 13:34:00 -
[240]
I remember a Caldari corporation which declared war on supposed allies for following a mutually benefical path for eliminating mutual threats.
I do not desire a civil war in the gallente militia and hope one can be avoided but maybe you should reflect on who you resemble with you attempts to dictate Shadows of the Federation corporate policy.
That said I mourn the loss of your pilots proteus in this unfortunate incident.
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Drackarn
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Posted - 2011.04.25 13:45:00 -
[241]
Edited by: Drackarn on 25/04/2011 13:47:28 Many are making a comet out of a veldspar 'roid here.
Looking at SoTF's confirmed latest kills I see 16 out of the latest 25 are Caldari State. We've got 8 non-FW in there, mainly pie or 0.0. There is a SINGLE Gallente Milita kill where ONE SoTF member opened fire. In the heat of battle mistakes are made. Our CEO, Gallactica has already said they will be dealt with and the loss reinbursed.
Siding with the Caldari? Really? Seriously?
Yes we team up with WB to kill pirates. Looking at this communication, you'd think we're camping the Villore gate with the squid militia!
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BacardiDesire
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.04.25 14:13:00 -
[242]
Civil Wars are fun  --- Crazy dutch mofo |

Greg6
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 17:14:00 -
[243]
If the asshats on both sides keep it up, we're gonna be finding out if that's true, I'd wager....
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 18:26:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Bhramin I remember a Caldari corporation which declared war on supposed allies for following a mutually benefical path for eliminating mutual threats.
For the record - QCATS as a corporation (and myself personally) have no issue with SOTF performing joint ops with WBR or any caldari state corporation. The line is drawn when SOTF actively assists members of the caldari state while they are fighting gallente militia.
Thankfully, it seems this is being dealt with, but I just wanted to clarify on the above point.
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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:05:00 -
[245]
Hopefully these differences can be settled as the provocateurs who have been boiling the teapot are the only ones with anything to gain.
We do have our differences but great things happen when we coordinate.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:27:00 -
[246]
If such confusing and heated incidents are to be avoided in the future I think that we will need to have the directors and CEO's sit down and discuss the terms of such "temp-blue" agreements and lay those terms out in a way that is clear cut and provides very little roam for misunderstanding. Who do we remain blue with first? Does a logi chain constitute as a hostile act? Who do you rep or not rep?
I am sure that all parties want a clear and direct line drawn so that incidents can be sorted quickly, and so that all pilots on both sides of this can know for sure what they can do next time such an event occurs. I hope that both sides can find a common ground. My allegiances lie with SLAPD, and those that stand by my fellow miltia mates that would help me and that would expect my help no matter what the situation. Perhaps this is how SOTF feels towards W-BR? If so why not just join them? If it's not how you feel then I would hope in the future you'd sort out the allegiances you hold.
While I would not open fire on any SOTF, I do not know any longer what to expect from them. When you don't know who your enemy is you become wary of the entity that has no clear intent. This coupled with a few very hostile pilots harassing members with threats, has made it hard for those that would protect and fight for their friends to remain neutral here. Who will you shoot or aid if a situation arises like the one that occured yesterday? Will your policy create a division or a understanding of your intent?
Thanks to Gallactica and the leaders of other corporations we may soon see a understanding. Until then as I said, I stand with those that I've stood with since entering the militia and I will stay with them.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:36:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Drackarn Edited by: Drackarn on 25/04/2011 13:47:28 Many are making a comet out of a veldspar 'roid here.
Looking at SoTF's confirmed latest kills I see 16 out of the latest 25 are Caldari State. We've got 8 non-FW in there, mainly pie or 0.0. There is a SINGLE Gallente Milita kill where ONE SoTF member opened fire. In the heat of battle mistakes are made. Our CEO, Gallactica has already said they will be dealt with and the loss reinbursed.
Siding with the Caldari? Really? Seriously?
Yes we team up with WB to kill pirates. Looking at this communication, you'd think we're camping the Villore gate with the squid militia!
The issue was more with the very nature of this being confusing, and with the lack of targets around Black Rise, why blue yourself with your WT's and deprive yourself of fights?
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:42:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Annie Anomie Edited by: Annie Anomie on 25/04/2011 09:44:39 Jack Coutu has been directing "slithering venom" at us non-stop since we got back. To be perfectly honest, we just don't like him.
Are you speaking for the whole of SOTF?
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:56:00 -
[249]
Edited by: X Gallentius on 25/04/2011 22:57:09
Originally by: Jack Coutu If such confusing and heated incidents are to be avoided in the future I think that we will need to have the directors and CEO's sit down and discuss the terms of such "temp-blue" agreements and lay those terms out in a way that is clear cut and provides very little roam for misunderstanding.
How hard is it? FC > "Hey guys, we're temp blue atm! Stop shooting!" FC2 > "rgr, guys disengage." Temp blue Caldari FC> "Guys hold fire" done.
Along with the inexplicable disappearance of Juan Rayo, and the defection of Zagamesh (who I still believe was framed), I had thought the last remaining leader of the "Villore Accords" had gone astray.
Although no longer functional, the spirit of the "Villore Accords" remains alive for many of us veterans.
Thank you Gallactica and the rest of the more reasonable leaders of the Federation Militia for honoring that great document and resolving this issue.
Although we fight tooth and nail most of the time, I look forward to a time when our two militias and even I-RED can trust each other enough to stand side by side against whatever external threat comes our way.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:27:00 -
[250]
Originally by: X Gallentius Edited by: X Gallentius on 25/04/2011 23:17:44
Originally by: Jack Coutu If such confusing and heated incidents are to be avoided in the future I think that we will need to have the directors and CEO's sit down and discuss the terms of such "temp-blue" agreements and lay those terms out in a way that is clear cut and provides very little roam for misunderstanding.
How hard is it? FC > "Hey guys, we're temp blue atm! Stop shooting!" FC2 > "rgr, guys disengage." Temp blue Caldari FC> "Guys hold fire" done.
I don't think I'd be alone in pointing out that a few errors in this theoretical comms discussion. First, SOTF, WBR, and other GalMil corps do not share comms, and typing it or convo'ing someone hardly resolves the issue fast enough. Second, the situation their has already seen action happening, which means halting the action won't prevent losses perhaps, just stem an all out ****storm. Third, who is to say everyone stops shooting and just walks away? Not everyone flies just comets around and then goes on their own way, please try to think of the people flying around in gangs and fleets, and think of the confusion that will ensue the first time a W-BR gang is baiting then is backed up by a SOTF logi group. Simplifying this like you did is just useless.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:29:00 -
[251]
Edited by: X Gallentius on 25/04/2011 23:30:28 It's easy if there is trust. If there is no trust, then implementing any sort of protocols is impossible since a$$hats will always find a way around any rules of engagement.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:43:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 25/04/2011 23:43:59 I'd say the easiest solution is that you just don't temp-blue any member of the Caldari militia. If you want something done and can't do it yourself (and anyway, from what I've seen, this doesn't seem to be something that happens all that often for either SotF or QCats), just get other FDU members to help you do it. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.26 01:14:00 -
[253]
Well I'm in agreement with Bhramin. There are greater threats to the Federation than the Caldari Militia and if we need to band together to meet those numerically superior threats when so be it.
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Bhramin
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.26 02:09:00 -
[254]
I am happy to see agreement with X Gallentius as a capulseer who has not always seen eye to eye with me. My personal hope would be that the corporations who call heydilies thier home would aid us in facing these external threats too, surely together the corporations of heyd and nisuwa and enaluria can bring the rule of law to the universe!
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Drackarn
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.26 13:08:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Jack Coutu
Originally by: Drackarn Edited by: Drackarn on 25/04/2011 13:47:28 Many are making a comet out of a veldspar 'roid here.
Looking at SoTF's confirmed latest kills I see 16 out of the latest 25 are Caldari State. We've got 8 non-FW in there, mainly pie or 0.0. There is a SINGLE Gallente Milita kill where ONE SoTF member opened fire. In the heat of battle mistakes are made. Our CEO, Gallactica has already said they will be dealt with and the loss reinbursed.
Siding with the Caldari? Really? Seriously?
Yes we team up with WB to kill pirates. Looking at this communication, you'd think we're camping the Villore gate with the squid militia!
The issue was more with the very nature of this being confusing, and with the lack of targets around Black Rise, why blue yourself with your WT's and deprive yourself of fights?
I agree with you, there is clearly some confusion here. Please see my previous communication especially the part regarding "teaming up" not setting high standings. We set blue status when we team up for a 0.0 roam/anti-pirate fleet. The other 23+ or so hours of that day we engage each other with rather extreme prejudice. Secondly, after re-reading my last post, please visit you favorite CONCORD sanctioned database of confirmed capsuleer ship losses and search for me or any other SoTF pilot. I'm sure you'll find Wolfsbrigade ships both being killed by and killing SoTF pilots. From memory the last Wolfsbrigade pilot I downed was a Manticore in eastern Black Rise two or three days ago and sent her back to the cloning facility. We are fighting for the Federation and Wolfsbrigade are legitimate targets to us. However, pirates do infest this region and the surrounding areas of non-empire space. It is in the interest of all Empires to terminate these pirates and joint fleets are an excellent method of clearing our space. The fact is, some pilots in each corp feel bad blood to the other. Whilst each corp has many more members who are either indifferent or friendly to the other, it is the vocal haters that are making the most noise. Therefore this minor issue has been lept upon by those pilots who are blowing it out of all proportion. May be a simple list might help... 1. SoTF is NOT blue to Wolfsbrigade. 2. Wolfsbrigade is NOT blue to SoTF. 3. Both sides fight and kill each other. 4. On occasions temporary blue standings are set between the two corps for a specific fight or fleet-op and reset at the end. Now, is that clear?
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.26 19:33:00 -
[256]
Wouldn't trust be better established by siding with your friends and not your enemies? There are talented and willing Gal Mil pilots that live in Heyd and beyond. If you need more pilots to take on a threat, tap into that resource instead. I know that at first this may be hard since their is some bad blood. If someone doesn't like someone else, fine stay out of the fleet, but I think it'd be in everyone's best interest in our militia to at least attempt such fleets again, and to cease teaming up with our mutual enemy.
It's impossible to avoid future conflict with this. Already their is the assumption that if their are SOTF members around W-BR members we should avoid you both. This mistrust is not going to go away with some kills here and there. It will not go away because you inform us more readily about your "temp-blue". It will go away when SOTF sides with it's own miltia before turning to the Caldari Miltia. If Gallactica was being honest and the loss is refunded, I'll be one of the first people in their trying to make such fleets work. Hell I won't even derp in them as a extra good will measure. Until then though we keep our distance, and that distance will only cause more harm than good.
Helmet Distributor, Derp Commander Jack Coutu
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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.04.26 19:54:00 -
[257]
Edited by: Mekhana on 26/04/2011 19:54:43 All of this can be avoided if next time there's a more appropriate priority of what is blue. Incidents like this only have to happen once.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.26 20:23:00 -
[258]
Last thing i will say in this discussion.
Jack Coutu, the 900m has been transferred into your wallet for your replacement Proteus.
If you need any more clarification as to where we stand, speak to your leadership or speak to me directly as i have spoken to Buckswanson and also Ammon Dei about this subject and we had an amicable discussion - I cant make it any clearer as to what, why and when we stand and this is now going round in circles.
If you still have a problem or issue then speak to them or speak to me directly, this finger pointing and jousting has gone far enough now and i presume that if you want this to continue on here then you really are not interested in making things work between our corporations.
The olive branch from both parties has been extended to each other, dont spoil what the leadership is trying to build by carrying on petty grievences and that goes to both my pilots and yours.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.26 21:53:00 -
[259]
Just about everyone in Heydieles appreciates the fact that SOTF extended an olive branch and reimbursed the loss of Jack's Proteus, Gal. At this point we're all just working out a way to move forward. Although Jack might rub people the wrong way on occasion, he's addressing a valid point; much of this drama will disappear once we start flying together again.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.27 08:02:00 -
[260]
I am sorry you viewed my post as aggressive or inflammatory. I assure you this was not my goal. I am accepting that olive branch and seeing if anyone wants to further the possibilities that it creates. I have no intention of fanning the flames with SOTF, and even before the refund I was divvying up loot to SOTF members not on our comms or fleet with us. There was a cane pilot from SOTF last night who I gave what we could too, he didn't ask, and even though it wasn't much, he got the same respect anyone else would that fights with us. I don't harbor bad blood towards those that are civil or at the very least neutral. I never will based on a corp ticker. I hope you understand that I would gladly assist any SOTF member that I could, so long as I knew it was reasonable to do so. Thanks for the olive branch Gal, and please know that I respect your word and hope we may all work together in the future.
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TheTallest
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Posted - 2011.04.28 10:27:00 -
[261]
do you know that 10ml of olive oil a day extends your life by one heartbeat?
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