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Xylengra	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:05:00 - [1] I was all set to come with a "Who are you again?" or some other triviality, but then I decided that that kind of approach would be detrimental to what I really wanted to say. WTH, dude, it took you 7500+ posts to realize that CCP doesn't care? Are you really that slow?
Sullen Skoung	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 10/04/2011 02:07:18 Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Idami Raptor Originally by: Jovan Geldon ....srsly? The new forums aren't very good, so you're ragequitting? Weak, bro. Did you read the same post I did? What he actually said was "I spent a lot of time and effort helping them collect feedback and suggestions on the new forums during testing, and all of it got completely ignored. I've now realized they don't really care about what their users think or want and aren't listening at all. I just don't see the point in wasting more time and effort trying to help if I'm just going to be completely ignored". Isn't that why the forums are down now? To fix several of the issues the players presented? Difficult to say that the players were ignored. yes.... after the issues were found and exploited and after they were ignored again and again in the testing phases.
Nyio Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:08:00 - [3] BE Well, have a break. Go play some Wow and return with recharged batteries. o/
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Estel Arador (My stuff, by the way, will stay mine.) WHY? You don't need it anymore? Didn't read the rest of your post. -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:11:00 - [5] Another sad loss for the community. O7
Leil Ren'Do	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Leil Ren'Do Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: Eternum Praetorian How freakin hard it is to make a forum? Good question. Make one and let us know, k? Pay me 15 bucks a month and I will k? I'm willing to give you 15 bucks just to prove your lie. Mail me your bank details :) You're missing the point because you're an idiot. But I will take your money. PM me so we can sort it out.
Jovialmadness	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 10/04/2011 02:17:19 Originally by: FishermansFriend Originally by: Flakey Foont Let me get this straight. The new forums are screwed up and it's making you quit the game? No I think what is making him quit the game is the repeated pattern of disrespect we as players have been shown by CCP. We pay to play their game, but we also invest our time to make their game what it is. Without all of us playing, it wouldn't be as fun as it is. The low quality updates and changes and general disregard for community opinion is what people are getting mad about, not that the new forums are broken. This is directed at the op: Whatever dude. Bricks, hit them. You can take me out of the "we" part thankyou. After 7 years ive done as much as the next guy to help CCP and i am not going to ask for anymore than what they have given. If it comes to the point where i wont tolerate something they have done i will yank my subs and thats that. I wont come on the the forum whining about how i have been abused. Thats just pathetic. Way too many cry babies around.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 10/04/2011 02:07:18 Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Idami Raptor Originally by: Jovan Geldon ....srsly? The new forums aren't very good, so you're ragequitting? Weak, bro. Did you read the same post I did? What he actually said was "I spent a lot of time and effort helping them collect feedback and suggestions on the new forums during testing, and all of it got completely ignored. I've now realized they don't really care about what their users think or want and aren't listening at all. I just don't see the point in wasting more time and effort trying to help if I'm just going to be completely ignored". Isn't that why the forums are down now? To fix several of the issues the players presented? Difficult to say that the players were ignored. yes.... after the issues were found and exploited and after they were ignored again and again in the testing phases. That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. I'm not an alt
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:18:00 - [9] Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:21:19 Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:20:54 Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:20:26 Originally by: Sullen Skoung Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 10/04/2011 02:07:18 Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Idami Raptor Originally by: Jovan Geldon ....srsly? The new forums aren't very good, so you're ragequitting? Weak, bro. Did you read the same post I did? What he actually said was "I spent a lot of time and effort helping them collect feedback and suggestions on the new forums during testing, and all of it got completely ignored. I've now realized they don't really care about what their users think or want and aren't listening at all. I just don't see the point in wasting more time and effort trying to help if I'm just going to be completely ignored". Isn't that why the forums are down now? To fix several of the issues the players presented? Difficult to say that the players were ignored. yes.... after the issues were found and exploited and after they were ignored again and again in the testing phases. As he said, only after it blew up into a major security threat that people actually were exploiting. If my understanding of the vulnerability is correct, it would've been possible to install keyloggers etc with your SIGNATURE. No link to a bad site required. They didn't take it down because the users complained, they took it down because they had a massive security hole blowing up in their faces that was going to cost them a LOT of money. Edit: Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. There aren't any indications they've listened as yet, except to their security advisors and possibly their lawyers. It is entirely possible, even likely, that once the security hole is fixed the forums will be back almost unmodified otherwise, with the numerous non-security complaints continuing to be ignored.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Jon Taggart on 10/04/2011 02:26:28 Originally by: Idami Raptor Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:21:19 As he said, only after it blew up into a major security threat that people actually were exploiting. If my understanding of the vulnerability is correct, it would've been possible to install keyloggers etc with your SIGNATURE. No link to a bad site required. They didn't take it down because the users complained, they took it down because they had a massive security hole blowing up in their faces that was going to cost them a LOT of money. Edit: Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. There aren't any indications they've listened as yet, except to their security advisors and possibly their lawyers. It is entirely possible, even likely, that once the security hole is fixed the forums will be back almost unmodified otherwise, with the numerous non-security complaints continuing to be ignored. If that does indeed happen, where the forums are brought back mostly unchanged save for the signature loophole, then I will agree. Will just have to wait and see then. Edit - But there probably is a good chance only the security loophole will be corrected, as that is the most pressing concern at the moment. Everything else comes second. If CCP does eventually make some of the changes proposed by the userbase, will players continue to say that CCP does not listen until that point? I'm not an alt
Mohr Cowbell Drakenstein Corp	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:25:00 - [11] Edited by: Mohr Cowbell on 10/04/2011 02:39:25 If you 're going to leave, then just leave. This is a game. You're injecting drama into something thats not really necessary.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:25:00 - [12] In an internet full of "I am leaving this place I just spent years of my life posting in 4 EVA (no honestly for real i mean it)" posts, yours ranks up with the most exceptionally bloviated and self-important.
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Idami Raptor Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:21:19 As he said, only after it blew up into a major security threat that people actually were exploiting. If my understanding of the vulnerability is correct, it would've been possible to install keyloggers etc with your SIGNATURE. No link to a bad site required. They didn't take it down because the users complained, they took it down because they had a massive security hole blowing up in their faces that was going to cost them a LOT of money. Edit: Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. There aren't any indications they've listened as yet, except to their security advisors and possibly their lawyers. It is entirely possible, even likely, that once the security hole is fixed the forums will be back almost unmodified otherwise, with the numerous non-security complaints continuing to be ignored. If that does indeed happen, where the forums are brought back mostly unchanged save for the signature loophole, then I will agree. Will just have to wait and see then. Now imagine you'd spent a lot of time and effort helping compile suggestions on how to improve the forums? It's easy for you or I, who didn't, to just cope and keep going...but when you invest yourself in something and then get blown off not once but TWICE it's a lot more painful. And somewhat insulting. That's what the OP is feeling, and his reaction is entirely understandable as a result.
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 10/04/2011 02:17:19 Originally by: FishermansFriend Originally by: Flakey Foont Let me get this straight. The new forums are screwed up and it's making you quit the game? No I think what is making him quit the game is the repeated pattern of disrespect we as players have been shown by CCP. We pay to play their game, but we also invest our time to make their game what it is. Without all of us playing, it wouldn't be as fun as it is. The low quality updates and changes and general disregard for community opinion is what people are getting mad about, not that the new forums are broken. This is directed at the op: Whatever dude. Bricks, hit them. You can take me out of the "we" part thankyou. After 7 years ive done as much as the next guy to help CCP and i am not going to ask for anymore than what they have given. If it comes to the point where i wont tolerate something they have done i will yank my subs and thats that. I wont come on the the forum whining about how i have been abused. Thats just pathetic. Way too many cry babies around. Post with your main.
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Estel Arador What can I say. The forums have been a big part of my EVE Online experience. On these old forums, I am one of the top 50 all-time posters, with 7501 posts (this is #7502). I was planning to stop posting at 7500, but I just had to make the 7501st post when CCP Fallout refused to say when the new forums would go live, barely 14 hours before they did go live. It is indicative of the importance CCP attaches to informing and listening to users. I participated in the first round of testing for the new forums, as did many others. In this first round, the forums were still very rough, but that didn't deter the testers. Many good suggestions were posted during this first test, and some critical issues were identified. I collected all these issues and suggestions in a thread for the convenience of the testers and CCP. When the second round of testing came around, I was surprised that there was only a very short list of changes. The forums had improved a bit (given the state they were in during the first round, there was a lot of room for improvement...) and the critical issues had been fixed, but pretty much all of the suggestions and other feedback had been ignored. It was at that point that I decided that my 7500th post would be my last on the EVE Online forums. As many other first-round testers, I didn't bother participating in the second round testing. It was apparent that CCP was steaming ahead without any consideration for users. Consequently the second round of testing was a lot less active than the first round, but it was amusing to see a lot of the first-round suggestions being made (and ignored) all over again. As far as I know, none of the users testing the forums during the first two rounds tested security. I know I didn't, as my knowledge on the subject is limited, and there are others who know far more about it than I do (and I assumed that CCP web developers would be among those others). The security issues which have forced CCP to revert to the old forums are, as far as I'm concerned, just the icing on the cake. It fits the picture perfectly. If CCP cares so little for its forums and its users, I won't care for it any longer either. I won't be using the forums, new or old. I have cancelled my subscription, and if I decide to stick around ingame (which I'm not sure about yet), I'll be using PLEX. I can't justify spending anything other than pretend-money on EVE any more, just like I can't justify spending a lot of time in documenting the game for CCP and participating in the community. For many years I have been helping out players, new players especially, first just with answers to their questions on the forums, then with my jumpclone service, and more recently as part of EVE University's staff. EVE University is a great institution, and I have very much enjoyed my (relatively short) stay there. I'll say goodbye now to EVE's excellent and unique community, and wish everyone the best. Fly safe! (My stuff, by the way, will stay mine.) Very well said sir, fly as you please. o7 Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep But I made up my mind, I'm keeping my baby, oh I'm gonna keep my baby, mmm...
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 10/04/2011 02:17:19 Originally by: FishermansFriend Originally by: Flakey Foont Let me get this straight. The new forums are screwed up and it's making you quit the game? No I think what is making him quit the game is the repeated pattern of disrespect we as players have been shown by CCP. We pay to play their game, but we also invest our time to make their game what it is. Without all of us playing, it wouldn't be as fun as it is. The low quality updates and changes and general disregard for community opinion is what people are getting mad about, not that the new forums are broken. This is directed at the op: Whatever dude. Bricks, hit them. You can take me out of the "we" part thankyou. After 7 years ive done as much as the next guy to help CCP and i am not going to ask for anymore than what they have given. If it comes to the point where i wont tolerate something they have done i will yank my subs and thats that. I wont come on the the forum whining about how i have been abused. Thats just pathetic. Way too many cry babies around. Post with your main. But then people could track him down and can flip him, or suicide gank him, or wardec him, etc. when he goes trolling!
Skex Relbore Gallente Skexcorp	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. You are an idiot. The problems were pointed out in testing long before the new forums were pushed live. People provided feedback and were ignored through 2 complete rounds of testing (which Estel participated in). Hell the only reason they rolled back to the old forums now was because the new ones were broken so badly that they had no choice. Oh and speaking of stupid I'd like to know who the brain child was who thought it was a good idea to roll a major product out on a Friday in the first place? This is indicative of a company that has lost touch with it's community. Just like rolling out the anomaly changes with no further explanation or justification after a 100+ page threadnought explaining why it was a back friggin idea. In general I do think CCP does a good job at making a game. But they do have a bad habit of grabbing onto a bad idea like a bulldog and refusing to reconsider or hell for that matter even directly address the concerns of the player base. This is one of those times and hopefully a high profile player like Estel quitting will be enough for them to wake the hell up and do a little introspection.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Idami Raptor Now imagine you'd spent a lot of time and effort helping compile suggestions on how to improve the forums? It's easy for you or I, who didn't, to just cope and keep going...but when you invest yourself in something and then get blown off not once but TWICE it's a lot more painful. And somewhat insulting. That's what the OP is feeling, and his reaction is entirely understandable as a result. I agree, I'm sure it is difficult to deal with. That's why I have no interest in attacking the OP, as I believe he is right in his opinion. I am merely taking the opportunity to engage in a discussion. Originally by: Skex Relbore Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. You are an idiot. There's no need to be abusive, I understand where you're coming from. I'm not an alt
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:41:00 - [19] Edited by: Mag''s on 10/04/2011 02:41:51 Originally by: Skex Relbore Originally by: Jon Taggart That's my point though. You're not being ignored anymore. CCP is listening to your ideas and demands. Sure it didn't start out that way, but that's the way it appears to be at the moment. It's really not that big a deal. You are an idiot. The problems were pointed out in testing long before the new forums were pushed live. People provided feedback and were ignored through 2 complete rounds of testing (which Estel participated in). Hell the only reason they rolled back to the old forums now was because the new ones were broken so badly that they had no choice. Oh and speaking of stupid I'd like to know who the brain child was who thought it was a good idea to roll a major product out on a Friday in the first place? This is indicative of a company that has lost touch with it's community. Just like rolling out the anomaly changes with no further explanation or justification after a 100+ page threadnought explaining why it was a back friggin idea. In general I do think CCP does a good job at making a game. But they do have a bad habit of grabbing onto a bad idea like a bulldog and refusing to reconsider or hell for that matter even directly address the concerns of the player base. This is one of those times and hopefully a high profile player like Estel quitting will be enough for them to wake the hell up and do a little introspection. This. Jon Taggart, you need to wake up and smell the roses chap. CCP are not listening, the only time they reacted was when someone started playing 'Who can I impersonate'. Edit: Sorry meant to say good luck Estel. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:41:00 - [20] Exactly. Perhaps any other player should just pull their subs quietly, but it does more to further the point when it's so affected a player who has invested a lot into this community that even they are at wit's end. CCP needs to fit a DCU then call an emergency meeting with the CSM and make sure they never lose so much touch with the community again. o7 Estel
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Bel Amar Originally by: Akita T Ever heard of the expression "the straw that broke the camel's back" ? Look it up. Also, CCP needs to stop rolling out junk. Like, yesterday. For bad forums to be that straw, the camel's back was already well and truly broken, the camel just didn't want to admit it... For somebody who uses the forums just as much, if not more than the game itself, it's not so much a straw as a few good two-by-fours... _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:43:00 - [22] To follow up, I can think of 3 reasons why a top 50 poster should write a goodbye letter. 1) They're a top 50 poster. The forums are a major form of the game they play. Just as you'd say goodbye to your corpmates and likely in local if you were an all in game player, saying good bye on the forums here for someone with 7500 posts seems entirely normal and expected. 2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news. That means someone that gave a damn, doesn't anymore. If CCP gives the least little ****, then letting them know that they're going in the wrong direction is important. 3) Because it's his damn life and he can do as he damned well pleases. Posting in the thread to let him know he should post is even more useless (along the same lines of logic) as his post was in the first place.
Illucius Thantium	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Idami Raptor Now imagine you'd spent a lot of time and effort helping compile suggestions on how to improve the forums? It's easy for you or I, who didn't, to just cope and keep going...but when you invest yourself in something and then get blown off not once but TWICE it's a lot more painful. And somewhat insulting. That's what the OP is feeling, and his reaction is entirely understandable as a result. While that may be true, the biggest statement he could make on the matter would be to leave quietly. The fact that he is posting in this manner tarnishes his statement of leaving. Tons of people have left the game. It looks rather self important to dedicate a thread to your own leaving. If he comes back and reads this thread it's further testament to the fickle nature of his actions.
FishermansFriend	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Jovialmadness Edited by: Jovialmadness on 10/04/2011 02:17:19 Originally by: FishermansFriend Originally by: Flakey Foont Let me get this straight. The new forums are screwed up and it's making you quit the game? No I think what is making him quit the game is the repeated pattern of disrespect we as players have been shown by CCP. We pay to play their game, but we also invest our time to make their game what it is. Without all of us playing, it wouldn't be as fun as it is. The low quality updates and changes and general disregard for community opinion is what people are getting mad about, not that the new forums are broken. This is directed at the op: Whatever dude. Bricks, hit them. You can take me out of the "we" part thankyou. After 7 years ive done as much as the next guy to help CCP and i am not going to ask for anymore than what they have given. If it comes to the point where i wont tolerate something they have done i will yank my subs and thats that. I wont come on the the forum whining about how i have been abused. Thats just pathetic. Way too many cry babies around. I never said anything about yanking my subs, I still like underlying game. CCP opens the game up to suggestions with the assembly hall, CSM, and Fanfest showing that at least they acknowledge that the players have some suggestions. And I do think we have a right to ask for certain things to be done a certain way seeing as we not only invest money but time into this game, without us it would be nothing. Sure you can say they are a corporation but a MMO corporation is unlike any other where they hold a stake in their customers. Their customers can only go to one place to get the product they want and have invested time and money into that product and company. As far as I am concerned CCP has an obligation to stick to it's core values and release a stable, fun product making wise and thought out decisions un-influenced by their own interests. Im not talking about making eve free or something stupid but maybe just implementing things that 90% of the player population agree upon. Without holding the dev-player relationship in the highest regard, the game will eventually crumble making anything regarding it moot.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 10/04/2011 02:41:51 This. Jon Taggart, you need to wake up and smell the roses chap. CCP are not listening, the only time they reacted was when someone started playing 'Who can I impersonate'. Edit: Sorry meant to say good luck Estel. I've never really stated my opinion. I am merely posing questions to better understand the situation and people's opinions before I voice my own. And maybe playing a little devil's advocate, but I see no harm in that. I'm not an alt
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Illucius Thantium Originally by: Idami Raptor Now imagine you'd spent a lot of time and effort helping compile suggestions on how to improve the forums? It's easy for you or I, who didn't, to just cope and keep going...but when you invest yourself in something and then get blown off not once but TWICE it's a lot more painful. And somewhat insulting. That's what the OP is feeling, and his reaction is entirely understandable as a result. While that may be true, the biggest statement he could make on the matter would be to leave quietly. The fact that he is posting in this manner tarnishes his statement of leaving. Tons of people have left the game. It looks rather self important to dedicate a thread to your own leaving. If he comes back and reads this thread it's further testament to the fickle nature of his actions. Your full of crap, and you know it. Leaving quietly isn't how things get noticed. Leaving with a ****ing huge ass explosion, that's what gets people's attention.
Garbol Hellbrecht	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:02:00 - [27] If CCP dosen't care why should we the players care? Simple question. If something bad happens you either call "All hands on deck!" or "Abandon ship!".
Palmput Japanese Atomic Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:02:00 - [28] Yes, because they took down the forums again just so they could troll you. Right. They're not implementing any fixes at all, it's all a lie! -
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Mortania 2) When someone who is a top 50 poster quits because they've lost faith in the developer, that's news. No, it's not, because there is a 1 to 1 correlation between the type of person who becomes a "top 50 poster" and drama queens.
Joe Appleby Counterintelligence Research Institute	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:27:00 - [30] Edited by: Joe Appleby on 10/04/2011 03:27:37 Scary how few seem to have any idea who Estel Arador is. Good bye! Sad to see a corner stone of this community go. Many pilots used your service, EVE would probably not be exactly the same without your contribution. I never used your service myself, but many if not most of my friends, buddies and enemies did. Farewell!

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